Update: Yankees are not strongly pursuing Chase Headley

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Thursday: The Yankees not strongly pursuing Headley at the moment, according to Jon Heyman. That’s the kind of thing that can change in an instant though. A few more losses and they might go knock down San Diego’s door.

Tuesday: Via Jon Morosi: The Yankees are “regularly” scouting Padres third baseman Chase Headley. The switch-hitting 30-year-old has hit only .201/.289/.322 (79 wRC+) with six homers in 62 games while dealing with a herniated disc in his back this year. The Padres are awful and they just fired GM Josh Byrnes, so a fire sale seems imminent.

Headley will become a free agent after the season and at this point it seems unlikely San Diego will even make him a qualifying offer. He had a monster 2012 season (145 wRC+) and was still pretty good last year (113 wRC+), but this season has been a nightmare. The Yankees have gotten very little production from their non-first base infielders and acquiring Headley would be a (very) buy low move with the hope that getting him out of toxic (for hitters) Petco Park will kick start his offense. A good but not great prospect plus salary relief is fine with me.

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  • osc7

    we need help right now. lets go yankees.

  • Bill

    Help yes, but someone who is battling an injury and hitting .201? Doesn’t sound like much help to me.

    • I’m One

      Back injuries are a major concern, moreso (to me) than his current batting line. I was all in on Headley last year. Now? I agree, doesn’t sound like much help.

      • LarryM FL

        Plus comment.

    • pounder

      Right you are Bill,a herniated disc,and I have three of them,makes him a risky trade candidate.Ask Donnie Baseball how a bad back can derail a career.Stay away and go for Panda Bear in the off season.

      • Winter

        Ugh. I don’t want Sandoval either.

  • Keddard Johnson

    Another .200 hitter. That should turn the tide. Add another name to the same old cliche people keep repeating – “If only McCann, Soriano and Beltran would start hitting like the backs of their baseball cards…”

    • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Mark Teixeira – Ghostbuster (formerly Drew) RIP Egon

      And your plan is to what? Sell everyone off and rebuild in Jeters final season and have them turn into the Mets? Nobody said Headley was a savior (even Mike said it was buy low move!) but I am so sick of going on every single RAB article and seeing the absolute garbage and nonsense that you write on a daily basis. Solarte is an All-Star! (2 days later) DFA Solarte! (Sortate goes 3-3) Solarte for ROY! or BGDP! (a week late) Send Phelps to AAA! WHY HAVEN’T THEY BROUGHT UP A GUY WHO HAS JUST 60 PA IN AAA YET!!!???? I don’t know if it is medication you aren’t taking or if you are in dire need of some. While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, if you ever want anyone to ever take what you say seriously and not be considered the biggest troll in the history of this website, you need to 1) Be consistent in your opinion 2) Try to have an understanding of, you know, baseball and how things actually work. This isn’t a video game, there are a million and more factors that go into the decision making process than you or I could understand 3) Try (try!) to have a rational thought process before you go and post things, it will make RAB a much more enjoyable experience for literally everyone. God Bless.

      • Winter

        He does it on purpose. Don’t take the bait.

        • Mandy Stankiewicz

          Yes, but while Eddard is satire, he’s clearly parodying of a lot of honest commenters here.

      • http://riveraveblues.com Gary UK Yankee

        Great and entertaining response. Watching from 2500 miles away though every day on MLB TV is frustrating and the American sports system does not really allow a team to buy all the best players and so the “get him” “get rid of him” scenario is hard to deliver. It doesn’t stop me from playing that game from Liverpool in Uk though.
        All you guys keep me going and rumours of trades get all of us excited but reality is so hard like me “get David Price”.
        Cano loss is hard to replace but we have the bats, they just have to hit.
        Patience is tough but fee agents will have to be the ongoing best way of filling 2nd and 3rd base and that isn’t now (maybe Chase Headly apart).
        One starting pitcher needed badly. One thing though, this team is set for 2015 mark my words.
        Thanks to all you guys banter to keep me connected between my 4 or 5 visits to the Stadium per year.
        Go all of you Yankees!

    • IRememberCelerinoSanchez

      “Another .200 hitter.”

      Is he? Yes, so far this season. No, not in his career, and likely not in the future.

      Look, if his back is the reason he’s hitting .200, then yes, he’s a pass.

      But if he is hitting .200 because he was hurt but the injury is now under control or he is just having a bad year or he is being killed by the huge ballpark or he is burnt out playing for a loser, it’s possible he could turn it around. He’s not 40.

      So there may be good reasons not to trade for Headley, but it is just silly to dismiss him as “another .200 hitter.”

      • OldYanksFan

        “…because he was hurt but the injury is now under control…”

        I’m not doctor, but I don’t believe ‘a herniated disc’ is ever under control. Back issues are the trickiest. Too much risk for what he has showed this year, unless he is VERY cheap.

  • TWTR

    Yes, if they can buy low (in relative terms), this is the type of move they should make because it’s reasonable to think that he is an above 100 OPS+ hitter.

    So if they added Refsnyder and Headley to this infield, and CC and Pineda returned and stayed off the DL, this team could be a lot better without mortgaging the future.

  • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Mark Teixeira – Ghostbuster (formerly Drew) RIP Egon

    This is a refreshing news story instead of Cashman only focusing on Starting Pitching, he probably wasn’t but, you know, sportzguyz!

  • Chip Rodriguez

    It’s more sensible than selling half the farm for another player who may or may not click. With Headley there’s the chance to buy low, and the hope that a hitter’s park and a change of scene may spark something.

    With someone else like say, Zobrist, it’ll cost a hell of a lot more.

  • JGYank

    I was advocating for Headley earlier in the year, but the herniated disc and poor performance scare me a bit. Can’t hurt to scout him and since his stock is down I’m sure they wouldn’t have to give up much. Maybe he starts hitting if he goes to another park. I’m sure the Padres will move him since they are terrible and he’ll be a FA this coming offseason. If healthy he should help. Getting him will probably send Solarte down and cut down Roberts’ playing time or even Johnson’s.

  • nycsportzfan

    I’d rather bring up Refsnyder or Pirela.

    • I’m One

      These activities (Headley & Ref/Pirela) are not mutually exclusive. Not saying getting Headley is a no-brainer or a must do, but the team can get him and still bring the other 2 up if they choose to.

      • IRememberCelerinoSanchez

        Yes.

        Also, Headley plays third, Refsnyder plays second, and Pirela plays … well, nowhere well, but I am guessing the Yanks would be most comfortable with him in left or (if he shows he can handle it) right, but not in the infield.

        So there is no position overlap here, although there is roster overlap. Solarte can go to AAA to bring in one infielder. To bring in a second would require trading/cutting another (Johnson or Roberts).

        If Pirela comes up, it will more likely be at the expense of Soriano.

  • 13yankee

    What do you guys think of signing Scherzer in FA? Could it be possible? I mean it would boost the starting rotation by a lot.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      It’d surprise me greatly if they were willing to spend to that level on another starting pitcher.

      I wonder how many people who want him now would want the contract he’s going to wind up getting.

      • 13yankee

        Yes, but a Tanaka, Scherzer combination in a playoff series would be brutal.Dreams….

      • Colonel

        Scherzer had an extremely lucky year last year. Check out his BaBip. It was 40 points lower than anything he pitched to before. He’s come back to earth this year. .336 BaBip which right in line with what he did in 2012 and look at his ERA, it’s right back to the high 3s, his WHIP is back up to 1.2, which is where it was in 2012, up from .9 in 2013. Last year was an absolute mirage. And no one should pay for his 2013 numbers, definitely not worth the contract he’s going to want. He should have signed that mega deal with the Tigers.

        http://www.baseball-reference......itch.shtml

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          I don’t disagree.

          He is going to get paaaaaid, though.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        Yankees are going to need to sell tickets next year.
        They might just have to do something like this.

        And they will realistically need to be looking for at least a #2 starter for next year.

        • JGYank

          http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....gents.html

          Here’s what’s out there. Unfortunately some pitchers have options for next year (Cueto, Iwakuma, Gallardo, etc.). Masterson caught my eye but I heard he’s a having a bad year and don’t feel like checking the numbers. Shields is kind of old, Lester/Scherzer will be expensive, Santana will be back on the market…

          • JGYank

            Checked on Masterson. He’s 29 right now. He literally alternates from #2 starter to replacement level from year to year. Too inconsistent if you ask me.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              There were reports of a big time velocity drop at the start of the season. Is this still going on?

              I’m surprised no one’s talking about a big ol’ lefty in Boston.

          • Steinbrenner’s Calzone

            Masterson’s fastball is down by A LOT this year. He may have bounced around before numbers wise, but this year might be a turning point for him.

      • JGYank

        Well with Kuroda likely retiring, we’re going to need another starter (Assuming Pineda and CC will return healthy and everything goes ok and on schedule with Nova). Nova’s return complicates matters. Right now we’re looking at Tanak CC Pineda and possibly a half year of Nova. We could add Phelps to that, but we still need someone to fill Nova’s spot early on (possibly Whitley, Nuno, or possibly even Banuelos if he’s ready) plus Pineda might be on an innings limit or something. So I would go after a SP, and use Phelps to fill in Nova’s spot early on. Not saying we need another big contract with a Scherzer or Lester, but I don’t want to go through the whole Whitely and Nuno in the rotation thing again. They might be in it anyway depending on health.

        • Colonel

          Yeah they definitely need a starter for next year, but I don’t think that they should sign Scherzer to an immense contract. You can also throw Warren into that mix. He’s probably a better option than Phelps.

          • JGYank

            Warren would need to be on a huge innings limit I’d assume. He’s done well in the pen and I probably would leave him there unless we’re desperate. Phelps is ok anyway and Warren does a better job out of the pen.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            It’s tough for any option to look as good as the top option on the market.

  • Colonel

    My goodness can we please stop with the Headley nonsense. He’s awful. The Yanks would be better off bringing up Sizemore who is tearing it up in AAA (he can’t be any worse than Headley), sending down Solarte (he’s been figured out) and moving Johnson to second. Roberts is terrible.

    • Mike HC

      Roberts is not terrible. He has been just good enough to hold on to the job, which could be even worse than just being terrible if it prevents us from trying to find something better.

      • Colonel

        He has the lowest average of any qualified 2b. I count that as terrible. He has a WAR of 1.1 barely above replacement level. You have to try to get something more out of the position.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting

          A WAR of 1.1 at the halfway point isn’t barely above replacement level. It’s basically average.

          That said, his fWAR is just 0.2 (now THAT is barely above replacement level).

        • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

          You do realize that Brian Roberts’ 1.1 WAR (as per Bref) currently leads the whole Yankee infield, including Teixeira, right? And that Kelly Johnson, the player you advocated replacing him with (because you “have to try and get something more out of the position,” of course) not only sports a paltry 0.4 WAR, but also trails Roberts in your cherry picked stat of BA (plus OBP to boot)?

          Neither player is great at this point, but you might want to actually check the stats you’re trying to use to support your argument before posting them.

          • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

            Before I get jumped on, I realize part of KJ’s lower WAR is due to his comparatively less playing time. Just pointing out they’re pretty much the same numbers wise, and calling one terrible doesn’t make sense.

          • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

            Also, not intending to sound like a prick, my apologies.

            • Wolfgang’s Fault

              Actually, I thought the Colonel sounded like the prick.

          • JGYank

            I have to disagree. KJ has a higher wRC+ (92 vs 85) thanks to a higher SLG % and has posted a positive UZR at 3B while Roberts has a negative one at 2nd. The WAR totals are misleading due to the positional adjustments (like when KJ plays 1st it hurts his WAR) and playing time. Not a huge improvement, but it still is one.

            • JGYank

              I realize the UZRs (and even the ABs) are from small samples, but there’s not much precedent for Johnson playing 3rd or Roberts at 2nd recently because of his injury history.

            • JGYank

              Plus KJ sucked defensively at 1st further hurting his WAR total and that’s not his natural position. He didn’t get to play everyday so he didn’t really have a chance to get on a role either. Like Need Pitching and Hitting pointed out, Roberts’ fWAR is lower. He’s probably somewhere in between the two WARs.

        • Mike HC

          Seems like we agree about how good Roberts has played, but disagree on how to define terrible.

    • IRememberCelerinoSanchez

      Scott Sizemore in AAA this season:

      .263/.324/.415/.739

      I really don’t think that qualifies as “tearing it up.” Don’t get me wrong, I have no idea why the Yanks haven’t sent down Solarte and brought up Sizemore to play third v. lefties. It would be a small but probable upgrade (definitely defensively, likely offensively).

      With Headley, the Yanks would be hoping for more. His “bad” year in MLB last year (.250/.347/.400) was about the same as Sizemore’s AAA numbers this year. Plus, Headley is a switch-hitter, whereas Sizemore can only fill the light end of a platoon. Apples and oranges.

      Again, if Headley’s back is making it impossible for him to be productive, then yeah, forget it.

      But let’s not pretend Sizemore is in the same ballpark of what Headley has been (and, possibly, could be).

    • Old Man Time

      You’ve set a pretty low standard for players if Sizemore’s stats constitute “tearing it up”. Not saying he shouldn’t get another look on the MLB level, but let’s not get carried away either.

  • Mike HC

    He is hitting terribly everywhere this year. And we can get him for nothing but money this off season. I’m not sure I would even give up a good prospect for him.

  • Leg-End

    I’d take him, see if a change of scenery, Kevin Long, playing for a contract etc can kickstart him, not like we are getting much out of third anyway.

    But yeah, don’t give up anything more than something vaguely resembling a decent prospect.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Ugh. So torn here.

    I’d be interested, but we’re talking someone around the level of what we gave up for Soriano last year, if even that.

    • TWTR

      It would have to be considerably less. Soriano had a decent first half last season: .259 .288 .472 .760 (16 HR), and the Cubs picked up significant money.

      • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

        That’s not apples to apples, though. Headley is still relatively young, not at the tail end of his career. And he’s a third baseman – not a lot of those are available….plus a switch-hitter.

        I don’t think he’s good right now, but it will cost more than Corey Black without question.

        • TWTR

          But that is counterbalanced because he is a free agent in waiting (who very likely won’t receive a QO) with a back injury.

          If so, then no.

          btw, I wouldn’t have traded Corey Black for Soriano.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            This is not an endorsement of such, nor am I saying it’s a possibility, but I’m going to throw it out there for your reaction.

            Mason Williams for Chase Headley.

            • Chip

              Man, that’s such a shoot for the moon trade on both sides. Yankees hoping that Headley turns back into a beast and carries them to the playoffs while the Padres are hoping Mason is their star center fielder of the future. I kinda like it

          • Wolfgang’s Fault

            I wouldn’t have either.

  • Rolling Doughnut

    Dumpster diving, Heeeeere we go again!

  • Sean C.

    With a .185/.290/.315 road split this season, ugh, I don’t know.

  • Smart Guy

    i heard chone figgins and raul ibanez are available

    • Slugger27

      where did you hear that? I read at a few places the royals signed Ibanez.

      not that I want him but im curious where you saw that.

  • Michelle Axisa

    Yeah Jeets!

  • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

    That’s going to cost Refsnyder and money almost definitely.

    • Old Man Time

      Sure, they’ll ask for a player like that, but I don’t think they’ll get one of that level. However, we all know the qualifier…it only takes one team…

    • Angelo

      …if that was true, the Yankees just wouldn’t do it. But I seriously doubt they will get a prospect of that caliber in a trade for Headley at this point.

  • IRememberCelerinoSanchez

    For an injured player not hitting who is a free agent at the end of the season? I really don’t think it would take Refsnyder to get him.

    • Preston

      That wouldn’t work for either team. The Yankees still have a need at 2b, and the Padres are locked up long term.

      • Wolfgang’s Fault

        Actually, 2B is the one infield spot they don’t really have a “need” for at present. Roberts, Johnson, & Solarte are all natural 2B, & Roberts, while not great there, has been adequate w/improvement. I love most of his a/b’s if not always the results. Roberts is a tough veteran SOB, & a bigger 2nd half for him wouldn’t surprise me. Nope, I wouldn’t sell him out too quickly. At least give him a few more weeks there & then reevaluate. W/Refsnyder putting himself on the 2B map, I’d think upgrades elsewhere are more in order. I’d think RF & 3B are better places to start.

        • RetroRob

          For all the complaints, Roberts since he cratered around mid-April has triple slashed to roughly a .250/.320/.385 line and slightly over a .700 OPS. He switch hits, and drives up pitch counts. Is a good base runner. He appears to have slipped some defensively.

          Yet add it up, and he’s not quite the zero with the bat. He deserves to play above Solarte.

          The Yankees should be looking to upgrade, and maybe Refsnyder will be that guy, but he’s far from being at the top of the list or problems.

          • Wolfgang’s Fault

            Hey, I’m w/ya brother!

  • Luisergi

    Another pro; he should be better defensively than what the yankees already have, notwhitstanding the back.

  • Kosmo

    Yanks could not only be scouting Headley but others like Seth Smith who can play LF/RF . This could be a smokescreen to drive up his price. Toronto is also in the market for either a 3B or 2B.

    • TWTR

      Maybe they want Roberts???

  • Jetersrange

    Wow…I can’t believe some people are actually advocating for this. Bring up your Damn options from within. Refer, pirela, Sizemore, Almonte should all be brought up. Heck even banuelos. Give us something to watch.

    • Winter

      I guess if you prefer seeing young, not MLB-ready prospects suck instead of watching old, injury-prone veterans suck, than sure, call up the prospects.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        Odd that he included Sizemore in that list.

    • Wolfgang’s Fault

      Where’s 3b Zelous Wheeler on that list? He’s having a very solid year. The dude’s ready for the big leagues.

      • Chip

        Said the guy on the internet who couldn’t pick Wheeler out of a lineup

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Actually, WF has a bit of a man-crush on Mr. Wheeler and, really, who are we to judge.

        • Wolfgang’s Fault

          Said the Chip before it was drowned in dip.

  • KennyH123

    I’d take a flier on Headley, obviously. because we have virtually no other options at present, and if he’s healthy enough would be a clear upgrade over anything else we put at 3B, and he’s only 30.

    But I would never give up anything good (i.e. good prospect) for a guy who had one total aberration of a career year that he’s likely to never come close to duplicating, out of eight otherwise completely mediocre seasons.

    • trr

      The back issue does give me pause, though-

  • Bill

    The last thing the Yankees need is a 3B with a back issue. Pass. When (if) he recovers from the problem, let’s talk. A one year flier like they did with Youkilis might be the route to take, but no sense in wasting even a low level prospect on Headley.

    • KD

      Agreed. Youkilis redux.

  • Derek Jeter

    Pass!!! Maybe Scott Brosius is available instead..

  • Derek Jeter

    Who cares!? Headley will not help this team, and they’d still have another 50 holes they need to plug.

  • cooolbreez

    It all depends on the medicals. If they look promising, it’s worth a shot as long as it’s buy low.

    It warrants serious consideration due to the short, medium and long term need at third base.

  • LarryM FL

    Here are some of my thoughts about third, second and rotation help. I like Prado since he had played in the Braves organization. I would wait on Rysnyder until at least August. Roberts has not played badly my concern Rysnyder will be effected negatively with the rush to MLB since he was an OF in college. I played second base in college. Its an active position and you have to know your game defensively, the pitchers ability and the batters swings that day. It takes sometime to learn and adjust. Patience with the young man’s promotion. 2015 will be here soon enough. Though we never played shifts and reduced our fielding territory. The kid needs time. He will not be our savior.

    Staring pitching will be the costly item on the wish list and John Ryan Murphy maybe the cost unless Cervelli can be made into the catcher supreme trade chip.

  • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

    What’s the highest and lowest you think would get the deal done for Heady?

    • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

      THAT’S HEADLEY.

      • trr

        (Heady would be Girardi’s nickname for him)

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Highest I’d go, maybe, is this year’s Corey Black.

        • RetroRob

          Seriously, I wouldn’t go that high. We knew last year that Soriano could still hit. I almost feel with Headley it’s the opposite. We know he’s basically shot for this year. Maybe a C-level prospect. Maybe.

  • Bavarian Yankee

    I don’t know why anybody would trade for him, Headley himself said that he isn’t 100% healthy and according to him that’s why his numbers are way down. Easy pass imo.

  • RetroRob

    The issue with Headley is he’s a two or three month rental. So it’s not as if the Yankees can try and “steal” him in 2014 so they can catch him on a rebound in 2015. If they trade for him, they have to believe he can help today. Bad backs are, errr, bad. Sure, explore a trade, but I wouldn’t give up much, unless they have some reason to believe his back is now better.

  • Masaeddard Tanaka

    A few more losses and contending clubs might be knocking on the Yankees door. I wouldn’t get another .200 hitter. Could have kept Nuney and had at least one .300 hitter in the lineup.

  • TWTR

    At this point, they have too many holes to be buyers.

  • MB923
  • BillyBalls

    A week or soo back I stated right here on the famous RAB website that I think the Yankees should take a flyer on Chase Headley and trade a marginal prospect, discuss the possibility of bringing up Refsynder by middle or end of July and so on.

    I also stated I was not smart enough to be the GM because there are many factors which us fans are not aware of regarding other teamed players (ex: seriousness of Headley back injury and Refsynder defense) in another post..

    My disclaimer at the end of my post was that I am no GM nor do I pretend to have the understanding and insight to be so, so of course this is fantasy baseball talk like many postings and articles on this site like it or not are…

    Some jackass on this site took the opportunity to pretend that they know more than me and half the blog and that my suggestions were ridiculous in that the Padres would never trade Headley for a marginal prospect. I wonder what this same genius with his wealth of knowledge is saying now?

    • The Padres

      Umm, we were not aware we had traded Headley for a marginal prospect.

  • Mikhel

    I think it is not a “buy low” if the Yankees end up giving a good prospect for an injuried player with one good season in his career, who is struggling right no, his defense is not really great and on top of that a FA after the season.

  • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

    Why bother at this point? Unless it’s among a slew of moves (and by a slew, I mean 4 or 5), why bother?

  • cbc

    If they want him on the market in the offseason, they should trade for him now and avoid losing the draft pick.