Jul
27

Sunday Night Open Thread

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Former Yankees manager Joe Torre was inducted into the Hall of Fame this afternoon, along with Greg Maddux, Frank Thomas, Tom Glavine, Tony La Russa, and former Yankees infielder Bobby Cox. Maddux thanked both former battery mate Joe Girardi and pitching coach Larry Rothschild during his speech. Torre’s speech is above — he accidentally omitted George Steinbrenner and told reporters afterwards he “feels terrible” — and his plaque is right here, in case you missed it.

Here is your open thread for the night. The ESPN Sunday Night Game is a good one, the Dodgers at the Giants (Ryu vs. Peavy). Talk about that game, the Hall of Fame inductions (more video), this afternoon’s loss, or anything else right here.

Categories : Open Thread
  • JGYank

    From MLBTR:

    Lester for Kemp rumors, and 4 are teams interested in Rios, including the Yanks. Yanks are on his no-trade list however.

    Looks like the Yanks are really going after a RF reading this and the Willingham rumor. That Lester for Kemp rumor is interesting though. Doubt that would be straight up, of course.

    • http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/ ALZ

      RF is a comparatively easy position to upgrade a bat. There are so many overpaid contracts that teams would love to move that you don’t need to empty your farm for it. Since Ichiro and Roberts are about the same offensively, you give up way less to upgrade the bat in corner OF.

      • nycsportzfan

        Beltran, Headley , and McCann are starting to get it done. Tex is coming back soon. Maybe we could use one more player, as it woulden’t hurt, because all we’d lose is Wheeler at the ML level, but for the record, this offense is starting to turn it around and is gonna be big down the stretch. Once Ells and Gardy get it going again, this team could be very dangerous offensively.

        But again, it don’t hurt upgrading Wheeler(Has been solid though).

        No way to Matt Kemp but Josh Willingham could make some sense. It woulden’t hurt the prospects much. Maybe a Chase Whitley for Josh Willingham straight up would do it?

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          If we’re going this route, yeah, I wouldn’t mind Willingham when you consider the relative price.

    • jgibs

      I just don’t get a team trading for Lester. I mean, unless they were pretty close to 100% guaranteed to make it to the World Series. Lester has made it abundantly clear he wants to return to Boston so any team that gets him is almost certain to NOT re-sign him long term. Why would an organization give up top prospects (Sox are looking for a HUGE return for Lester) just to wind up with NOTHING in 3 months.

      That said, LAD’s rotation with Lester would be STACKED

      • http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/ ALZ

        If he was abundantly clear to return to Boston he wouldn’t be a free agent this winter. Talk is cheap. Sure, you don’t want to enter the farm for him, but being able to add a quality pitcher for half a season still has value.

        • RetroRob

          Especially if the team wants to win the World Series, as the Dodgers do. Ridding themselves of Kemp and his contract (even if they eat a good chunk) and getting Lester for a half season and a postseason run is a good deal.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        He’s said he’d like to remain in Boston.
        Robinson Cano said he’d like to remain a Yankee.

        Let’s not schedule the press conference in Beantown just yet. It’s all negotiation.

      • RetroRob

        He said Boston was his first choice, and would even take a discount, but clearly the discount he had in mind is not the one the Red Sox had in mine. Fact it, once a player files for free agency, there is less than a 10 percent chance he’ll return to his former club. Lester is heading toward free agency, and I don’t see how “home town discount” and filing for free agency will go together.

        The Red Sox are now going to have to pay market price, or darn near it, and their owner seems to have an issue with that.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I don’t get that. At all. If the Dodgers kick in what Boston wants, they must really like the prospect of a few months of Lester.

      On Boston’s end? I have no clue. I’d look somewhere else for prospects. Even a decent haul would be better.

      • nycsportzfan

        Well Bostons end is easy. They might lose the guy anyways in the offseason and look to be rebuilding a bit with Ortiz getting up there and Bucholz being a crap shoot at this point(maybe injured goods?), and Pedroia seemingly wearing down a bit. They have some players right on the cusp of getting a chance to make the bigs and guys like Holt are thriving. Maybe they want to go young and find there next nucleus?

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Then trade him somewhere else for multiple pieces. Don’t trade him for a guy with bad knees, declined production, a bad contract and, oh, he wants to play CF.

          Makes zero sense.

          • nycsportzfan

            Oh, my mistake. I thought they were still talking about Joc Pederson for him. Yeah, makes zero sense for Matt Kemp. Especially with the brittle Napoli all ready on board, and Ortiz and Pedroia for that matter. Your asking for trouble if you make that deal. I personally would love it though.lol

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              It doesn’t seem at all like Pedersen’s involved here.

  • CMed21

    David Ortiz’s comments after the Rays game after his bat flip: “Players in today’s game are too sensitive”… Must be talking about himself as well. Complains after every strike called and gets butthurt when pitchers pitch him inside or look at him the wrong way. What a crybaby hypocrite that guy is…

  • Preston

    Joe Torre deserved to be in the HOF as a player. Even if he’d never played his managerial career was good enough to be a HOFer as well.

    • RetroRob

      Torre’s an easy HOFer, and because of his playing career, probably more deserving than the other two managers inducted today. His plaque reads about his entire career as a manager and a player even if, in the end, it was his managing career and the NY Yankees who pushed him over the line.

  • Wayne

    I don’ think we need Alex Rios or Matt Kemp because we have Aaron Judge and Tyler Austi coming soon.
    Aaron Judge can play centerfield and right field, has a rocket arm , hit for power and average and rbi’s.
    Als does anyone know if Shane Greene, Chase Whitley, Zach Nuding and Bryan Mitchell will be protected on the 40 man roster?

    • W.B. Mason Williams

      Neither Tyler Austin nor Aaron Judge will be contributing to the major league team this year, and very probably not next year either.

  • jgibs

    I have a question I hope SOMEONE can answer. Are the days of pitchers retaliating and hitting batters over or are today’s pitchers just complete pussies?? I ask because I cannot for the life of me possibly BEGIN to wrap my mind around how David Ortiz does not get drilled every time he steps in the box. I live in New England and am surrounded by Papi worship 24/7 and it makes my head want to explode. Between his comments last night after they lost, to his RIDICULOUS trip around the bases after watching his home run for a good 8 seconds this afternoon, how a Tampa pitcher didn’t put one in his back or even NEAR him is mind boggling to me. Are they protecting their own players from retaliation?? Do they just not really care?? What is it people?!?!?!? I realize players don’t always/seldom harbor the same feelings of pure rage and unadulterated, primal hatred of other teams and players that we fans do, and the Sox are also still dead last in the east but still. Where have the balls gone on these pitchers??

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      The day retailiation HBP’s are wipes out of baseball will be a great day.

      Want to shut him up? Strike him out. He does it because he’s that damn good. Show him up on the field of play.

      • jgibs

        Omg, gimme a break! He hits home runs cuz he’s that damn good (or cuz of those “Dominican vitamins he takes), He flips his bat, watches home runs, walks around the bases, argues EVERY strike and openly second guesses his manager cause he’s a narcissistic asshole.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          He’s a great baseball player. That’s all I care about.

          I don’t think about him much. He’s on another team. He doesn’t inspire the rich lather from me he seems to draw from too many Yankee fans. I tip my hat to him.

          He can be as narcissistic as he wants. He’s earned it. I’d rather watch him do that a thousand times over some Colby Lewis or Dallas Braden act with a level of ridiculous entitlement on the field.

          I don’t think I’ll get many to agree with me on this. That’s alright.

          • tar

            I agree about Papi the player. But disagree about drilling him… not to hurt him, maybe just in that ample ass of his.

            Even more important than sending a message about a HR trot, is establishing ownership of the inside part of the plate. I have never seen someone own the plate like Papi does.
            It’s kind of disgusting as a Yankee fan to have to watch that for all these years.

            WIth all the body armor some of these guys wear, it should be ok to plunk someone as long as you hit the armor. …maybe call it a no pitch. haha I like that idea if you get plunked on the armor …do over.

      • mustang

        The day they wipe out a great hitter showboating for doing his job will be a great day.

        Have some respect for the guy on the mound and the other team if not don’t be pissed or surprised when someone puts a 90 mph fastball on your back.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          That 90 MPH fastball could hurt someone.

          That’s not being a man. That’s being a coward.

          The biggest man up there is the one that shows the most composure when facing adversity. That’s why we love Mariano Rivera and Andy Pettitte.

          • mustang

            I watched both Mariano Rivera and Andy Pettitte brush hitter back especially Mr. Ortiz. I love Mariano Rivera and Andy Pettitte because they were great and played the game the right way. They didn’t have to have hypocritical clown act while being great.
            I don’t want anyone getting hurt, but I’m not going to shed a tear when someone gets tired of Mr. Ortiz and let him know it.

            Hit the ball place that bat down run around the bases go into the your dugout and be happy that making so much $$$ to do it.

            • mustang

              BTW that “90 MPH fastball could hurt someone” is preventable just stop acting like an asshole.

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                There is zero reason why someone should have a ball at that speed intentionally thrown at them. Zero.

                • mustang

                  Then maybe Mr. Ortiz should be bit more respectful of the person throwing it so people don’t get any bright ideas.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Brush back is one thing. Throw at is another.

              • mustang

                Nothing but intent my friend on can turn into another in a second.

                • Jorge Steinbrenner

                  They’re still two different things. A ball can get away from a pitcher using the inside of the plate at any point of time. I’m not saying don’t pitch inside for any reason.

    • http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/ ALZ

      Because who honestly wants to put a player on base every single time they come to bat, and get thrown out of the game for it?

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Thank you.

        If that guy you sent that manly message to comes around the score, who truly won there?

  • RetroRob

    I watched Torre’s speech and the almost non-mention of George and no nod to the Steinbrenner family was very odd. The only reason I think it was a legitimate oversight is because he has spoken quite highly of George. I could see if it was Hal and Cashman (who was there) he ignored because of how it all ended, but can’t see him purposely ignoring the Boss. Still, kind of a major screw up.

  • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Dr. Martin van Nostrand

    It’s sensational to think that the Yankees posted a top-3 record in MLB 14 times in 17 seasons between 1996-2012 (’96, ’00, and ’08 being the exceptions). Steinbrenner’s famous mandate of “World Series or bust” was overzealous, of course, but it was more of an unfortunate byproduct of its era than anything else. The Yankees would’ve won a lot more pennants and titles if you could transpose those 17 seasons and drop them in, say, between 1979 and 1993, roughly speaking.

    Sorry. It’s just 1997 has been on my mind recently. It’s unfortunate that the 2nd/3rd best team of that five year stretch (at WORST) is so easily forgotten because one AL team beat them out in the regular season and it happened to be the O’s, and then got the short end of the hideously stupid 2-3 format. That was a damn excellent team.

  • http://www.computerdoctorswebsitedesign.com Computer Doctors

    I know we need a Right Fielder and atleast 1 additional SP really bad, but I am thinking about the bullpen down the stretch and how overused it is would you take a flyer on Jim Johnson and hope we can get some lightning in a bottle or is he that DONE?

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Was he ever really not done?

  • mustang

    Yankees 7/27/13 54-50 8 games back in the division 3.5 Wild Card

    Yankees 7/27/14 54-50 4 games back in the division 1 Wild Card

    Strange.

    • RetroRob

      Let’s hope the last 58 games go better than last year’s 58 games. They’re in better position, standings wise.

      • mustang

        Unless Cashman makes some moves I fear that i will end the same.

  • nycsportzfan

    I’m stoked we got Texas and Boston coming up. After a sweet little home stand, those are the 2 you want to start the road trip against.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    For the RAB parent crowd, I bought RA Dickey’s “Knuckleball Ned” for my son yesterday. A bit long for a three-year to sit through at the moment, but a really great and creative spin on a typical kids’ story. Really worth it.

  • Reverse apachemaster

    Can we just keep tulo in NY please???

  • JGYank

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ching.html

    There’s also this. Danks is looking more and more likely and I can’t bring myself to like that no matter how much we give up. Can’t believe Ian Kennedy looks like a good option right now.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      We have no clue what’s up with IPK’s oblique either.

      I can’t believe they actually had to clarify something like “Yankees more likely to try to sign Lester than trade for him.”

      • RetroRob

        “His contract, which will pay him $14.25MM in both 2015 and 2016, shouldn’t be a huge obstacle, although Heyman notes that Danks’ declining velocity (with a drop in his average fastball from 91.6 MPH in 2011 to 88.2 MPH this season) might be a concern.”

        There’s a whole bunch of scary things in that sentence. Let’s being with the contract not being a huge obstacle. Obstacle for who? If I’m the Yankees, it’s a damn huge obstacle. That’s a lot of money for some one who no longer appears to be all that good.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Chicago better be eating a whole lot of salary and accepting a whole lot of nothing back.

      • JGYank

        Forgot about the oblique. Still would rather have IPK since I doubt the it’s serious. Danks is kind of expensive, crappy, and trending down. I might even consider Burnett before him since he’s a rental.

  • Greg C

    He shouldn’t feel bad about forgetting George. Oh well.

  • nycsportzfan

    I wonder if the Twins would consider moving Mauer and if anyone would be interested at this point? It was all good when he was hitting 330BA, but now the Avg is down with no power. Still, there is something about him that makes me think he’d take advantage of that short porch. I guess it’d be pointless though as McCann all ready plays 1st as a catcher and it’d be a similar thing with Mauer.

    One guy i’d love to trade for, and Im not even that keen on a trade at this point is Trevor Plouffe. I wanted him this offseason , as I thought he’d make sense, and I still think it’d make sense. You could play him in the OF, at 3rd, as DH, and Right Handed PH’er.. Hes got serious pop and could be a nice little get..

    I wonder what it would take to get Plouffe? Maybe Whitley and a Caleb Smith type?

    • Kosmo

      maybe we could trade you for Plouffe and then re-sign you this offseason ?

  • Not an ace

    Are you kidding me with that top 100 list? Garin Cecchini has been garbage in the upper minors and he’s ranked 62? While a guy who has mashed at every level like Refsnyder gets left off? Such worthless bullshit.

  • BigLoving

    I’m being a bit lazy but what teams could be sellers by the end of the week if they have a rough next 3-4 days? I know the Red’s are teetering……Royals maybe? Wouldn’t mind seeing Billy Butler slide in as DH. Please somebody tell me a scenario that could get me pumped I’m dying over here!!!!!!!

    • FIPster Doofus

      Billy Butler is terrible.

  • mustang

    Troy Tulowitzki to the Yankees what would it seriously take?

    Very unlikely, but maybe he is trying to give Denver an out with the Yankees Stadium visit.

    • mustang

      Im not good with the prospect part but I guess they would start with Betances, JR Murphy, Ian Clarkin or Luis Severino and Aaron Judge.

      Holy shit that’s a lot.

    • Nuke Guy

      Well it is the Rockies, so who the hell knows?

      The conversation starts with Judge and Severino and the second one of them are taken off the table, I would hang up if I was Colorado.

      Judge and Severino would headline the package. Since the Yankees farm team is very light in the upper levels, I would assume that they would need to add three more players. Any three of Ian Clarkin, Eric Jagielo, Greg Bird, Gary Sanchez, Tyler Austin, Rob Refsnyder, Abi Avelino, and Miguel Andujar should probably do.

      • Kosmo

        The Rocks want SP more than anything. Red Sox are a better matchup in terms of near ready upper level pitching prospects. Boegarts-Owens-plus 1 or 2 other pitching prospects