Aug
09

Saturday Night Open Thread

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Here is your open thread for the rest of the night. The Mets are playing, MLB Network will air a game, the Little League World Series is on, and the (football) Giants are playing a preseason game. Lots to watch tonight. Talk about those games, this afternoon’s loss, or anything else right here.

Minor League Update: I won’t be around to put together a full minor league recap tonight, so here’s the live-updated recap from MLB Farm. You can see the full box scores for all of the affiliates in one place right there.

Categories : Open Thread
  • RhapsodyInBlue

    I just watched it again. Paulie was just great, as #21 and today speaking he touched all of the bases again.

    • tomingeorgia

      RIB.
      Things aren’t good, but thanks for the well-wishes. Trout biting?

      • RhapsodyInBlue

        I haven’t been out too much Tom. This time of year the only time to be on the streams if you want to catch fish are right at Sundown when the Trout feed on the mayflies that have expired on the surface while laying eggs. The water starts too cool off in the fall day time activity picks up again then I’ll be back out. My business has been slow as well I’m hoping things begin to pick up. Good to see you, I wish you the best.

  • RhapsodyInBlue

    Boy were we blessed with that group.

  • Pete22

    Just looking at attendance figures for the 1996-2000 teams. Avg under 3 million a year. Heck last year they got 3.3 million and this year on pace for 3.4. During Arods years before the new stadium they got over 4 million a year.

    Sounds like the teams then were appreciated more after the fact

    • http://www.google.com Tanuki Tanaka

      Kinda like artists. Well I guess you can say they are artists of hitting.

    • Gregory Eckes

      Well you could see old clips where the upper decks were still empty.

  • Pat M.

    I fully understand the plaque honor for O’Neill, however I cannot get onboard for Tino’s plaque. Hey, what about former Yankee Captain Willie Randolph ??? Or Nettles ??? Man Gene Michaels sure has added some lbs. since those late afternoons on the back fields in Fort Lauderdale. Then again we all have I suppose .

    • Pete22

      Teams that can not perform in the present look to the past to attract fans to the park. Each one of these event days boosts attendance by 5000. Other teams like the Red Sox doing the same.

      Randolph and Nettles days would not bring many to the park.. Older baby boomers who remember them prefer to watch on HDTV.

      • Pat M.

        Rubbish, the were both former Yankee Captains who left under uncomfortable circumstances. Nettles has been battling cancer and hasn’t appeared as an instructor for a few years and Willie became the skipper of the Mets. And if you haven’t read Nettles great book ” Balls” you really should. Almost a follow-up to Sparky’s ” The Bronx Zoo “. Man was George pissed when both of those books were published

        • Bo S8

          Hey Pat

          Agreed it’s a salesman’s move, selling sizzle. A little too slick for my taste. Just curious, is Bernie’s name on a plaque?

          And agreed both captains should be honored.

          • Jimmy

            Tony Lazzeri? Tommy Henrich? those two guys and about a dozen more all contributed more WAR or WS Championships or both. I loved Paul O’Neill as a player but this is a little too gimmicky.

      • BKamm

        The entire Monument Park thing is now about promotions. Wasn’t always but is now. The hall of famers belong there. Went to far when they honored Billy Martin.

        • Deep Thoughts

          Agree, and honestly I’m not sure about Reggie either

    • Bo S8

      I was just saying that I hadn’t seen someone like Headley since Nettles.

      Totally agree on Willie, just a class act and a great player, they’re treating him like the red headed step child. Get him involved for God’s sake.

    • Deep Thoughts

      Gene “Log” Michaels

  • NYCORNERSTONE

    Still waiting for a run, today’s game worst loss of year ?

  • mustang

    Game sucked sometimes the other pitcher is just better. BTW not impressed at all with the Jim Beam Suite.

    • CarlosRodriguezNeuf

      I was impressed. Was Garry Shandling there like Thursday afternoon?

  • Bigdan

    The problem is, Baltimore has turned out to be a pretty good team. Many thought that for this year at least, the AL East was weak and that the division was up for grabs. That’s simply not the case. Baltimore has a better record than Detroit and will soon overtake the Angels. They have a better record than any team in the National League. They are the hottest team in the game and also have apparently the easiest schedule left in he division. They will be very hard to beat. When the lead exceeds five games, taking two out of three is actually a victory for the front runner. They could of course collapse but they are peaking at the right time. Without a collapse, the Yanks aren’t good enough to overtake them.

    From a management standpoint, the 2014 Yanks are at once a success and a failure. A ringing success in their ability to manufacture pitching. A resounding failure in their inability to produce runs. It should be an interesting off season. I wonder if their success in acquiring pitching throughout the season will affect how they approach potential acquisitions in the off season. We all understand now that player acquisition under Hal is a zero sum game. Every player acquired means another who is passed on. That’s the function of a budget, Hal’s most significant impact on the organization. What that budget will be in the post 189 era is an open question but we do know he will have one and it will affect everything.

    So on this warm late Summer night, thoughts turn to the hopes of next Spring and dwindling hopes of this Fall. And of course football.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      You’re like a constant downer, huh?

      • n0exit

        Nycsf hands out the uppers if you’re keen.

    • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

      You know what, Bigdan? The Yankees have more money to spend on payroll than anyone else. Do you know what that means? It means they can afford expensive rentals. They don’t have to play “Moneyball.” Moneyball is for teams with limited payrolls. Moneyball allows a team to contend for the championship once every 10-15 years even with a small budget, in exchange for sucking for the majority of those years. The Yankees don’t have to do that. They can play low-risk, high payroll and be competitive nearly EVERY single year, AND still win the occasional championship. So, you can complain about the Yankees not playing Moneyball, a strategy upon which you seem to have a tenuous grasp; but many of us prefer having a team that’s got a chance, often modest, to go all the way EVERY single year.

      • vicki

        i cheered.

    • Pete22

      Baltimores success is directly related to the mediocrity of the AL East, and the general downturn in offense overall which makes their mediocre pitching look good (you can say that of the Yankees pitching as well). It was not very apparent they were a good team as late as July 1 which just goes to show how perceptions can change quickly.

      They are on a pretty good run since the ASB and against good teams. Some of their bats which have been underperforming most of the season like Markakis, Davis and Hardy are joining players who have had good years in Cruz (slumping of late), Jones and Markakis, and then there is this new guy at C to replace Weiters bat.

      As for Hals budget. I suspect what it will largely depend on if the team makes the playoffs this year. If not, he spends big. If they do, and go fairly deep, he may stay around current levels. I do think he could go as high as 250 if needed, but don’t think he will unless there is a disaster (like Tanaka needing TJ Surgery and not making the playoffs). Attendance has fallen off the last couple of months, and although up overall it has been flat YOY for the last 2 months despite the Jeter farewell promotion. Jeter being gone will impact attendance next year.

  • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Dr. Martin van Nostrand

    Speaking from retrospect, of course, I still think it’s wonky how some of those weaker teams in ’96 and ’00 have rings but not strong teams like ’02 or ’03. Postseason randomness can rain or shine on anyone at anytime, I guess.

    • Billy Bats Eppler

      I was pretty young at the time, but I was always under the impression that Boston had the better team true talent wise in 03

      • CarlosRodriguezNeuf

        If you’re including the roids as part of true talent!

        • forensic

          Both teams had guys who could be disqualified if you’re using that standard.

          • CarlosRodriguezNeuf

            Certainly. But the heart of the Sox were. Pedro, Manny, Ortiz beats any combo of our 3.

            • forensic

              Other than one theoretical list of who tested positive in 2003, I’ve never heard Pedro connected to anything (that I remember). Manny and Ortiz were huge, but so were Giambi, Clemens, Pettitte, etc.

              • Billy Bats Eppler

                Many people seem to conveniently forget about pettitte s role in this. And even though I think he does deserve consideration, I’m always surprised when he’s spoken about in that way and guys like clemens -who is one of the best ever- are just written off automatically

      • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Dr. Martin van Nostrand

        Maybe they did in 2003, and I’ll obviously concede 2004 (backed up by run differential towering in Boston’s favor), which is part of the reason why I never mention 2004 in the same breath as I’ll mention 2002 and 2003 in despite ’04 being another 100+ win season.

        I don’t know if it’s an attempt to do anything other than rationalize what the random nature of playoff baseball can do? I dunno. I just feel it’s a bit cruel to see that a trio of 100+ win teams came away with little more than a “thanks for playing” coupon when you then see that two of the weakest Yankee teams since 1996 (based purely on W-L) won World Series titles. Goes to show that the playoffs are not really just about catching the right breaks at the right time, but also matchups. Tough break to face a 99-win Angels team in the first round in 2002, for instance, while, being fortunate to not have to deal with a fantastic 99-win Indians team at any point in 1996.

      • Pete22

        It was not really that clear cut, which made the ALCS in 2003-2004 so great. It was not that the Yankees declined to the Red Sox level it was that the Red Sox rose to the Yankees. As for the 2003 Red Sox team, they had no bullpen or closer for most of the year, their SPing was not great except for Pedro, but they had Manny and Ortiz (break out year in first year with them, both failed the PED trial tests which led to testing in 2004). Yankees caught a break when their manager left Pedro in too long since although the pen struggled for most of the year it was dynamite in the playoffs and Pedro was not as durable as he was in his early years, especially against the Yankees who he called “his Daddy”

    • Pete22

      Its a much tougher run to the World Series in the WC and division era. Before you played 154 or162 games and the best record went to the World Series where it was a coin flip. Now the best record gives you maybe a 30% chance of getting to the World Series, and then another coin flip once you get there. There was a lot of luck involved in winning the World Series 4 of 5 years.

      I do think some of the teams in the early – mid 2000’s were better teams or at least more exciting teams, and attendance figures seem to reflect as much, but they did not win their last game so they are diminished with time..

      • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Dr. Martin van Nostrand

        Yep. And, to me, it’s a bit of a shame that Bud Selig wanted MLB to be like this, devalue the regular season, and make it legitimately tougher for the best teams to win the championship. Even 30% sounds too optimistic, really. Even that superpower 2009 Yankees team was probably only about 20% likely themselves.

        I feel like we, as baseball fans and Yankee fans, were cheated out of a whole lot of Yankees/Braves World Series meetings between ~1996-2003.

  • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Dr. Martin van Nostrand

    What is it about Kansas City and the fact that they are either red hot or ice cold at all times?

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      Their offense is worse than the Yankees, and as good as their pitching has been, eventually you’ve gotta score runs to win.

      • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Dr. Martin van Nostrand

        just kinda funny to consider that they’ve ranged from -3 to +7 to -2 and now +9, all in the span of just the last ~60 games or so. No middle road for them; just hope that they veer back to the right side of the road at some point soon enough before they become a legit September annoyance, or something

  • BKamm

    Open Thread? Okay how about a little fun after a tough loss? Saw this Yankee trivia question at the NYY newsgroup a few years back.
    Name the blues/rock band that has a member or members related (family relation) to a former NYY pitcher. Also name the former Yankee pitcher.
    Note: There is NO prize. I was at a birthday party for preschoolers and of course gave away all my spare candy.

    • n0exit

      Don’t worry, there are people here who give out prizes for this sort of thing.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      NO CANDY?!?!?!

      • Deathstroke Heathcott

        He should’ve been up front about the no candy. Making me read that whole comment for no reason, dammit.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          I was ready to hand over my credit card info.

        • BKamm

          Wait. I said I’m not giving out candy. But….. if someone else steps up to the plate and wants to donate say, some Snickers bars, I won’t be the one to stop them.

          • Deep Thoughts

            Where’s What’s-Her-Face?

    • UnKnown

      Aw Shucks. No Lame Ass candy give away. Whatever we will do? LMAO

  • Bigdan

    Coming into today’s action, OPS+ for new team:
    Headley: 107
    Prado: 95
    Drew: 46

    Solarte: 130

    • CarlosRodriguezNeuf

      Prado was an unbelievably terrible move, given his contract.

      • Bigdan

        Solarte had another nice game tonight for the Padres in their 2-1 win. Played LF and 3B. Got a hit in the middle of the team’s only scoring rally and a walk. At 1/20th the price of Prado.

        • Deep Thoughts

          What are your thoughts on George Kontos?

    • Keyser Soze

      In 15 games, Solarte has .5 WAR. In 17 games, Headley has .9 WAR. In the vacuum of SSS your stats mean next to nothng.

      • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

        I was about to post this same thing.

        • Keyser Soze

          Not to mention, Solarte is playing in a low pressure environment with nothing at stake. A far cry from playing for the NYY in a playoff chase.

          • CarlosRodriguezNeuf

            not quantifiable.

      • Bigdan

        WAR is hell and virtually meaningless.

        Except maybe here. As I pointed out on the day of the trade, rentals are always problematic. Because unless the rental takes you to a place you were not going to go without him, after the rental leaves the player(s) you gave up keep providing value to your trade partner years later. Solarte is a great example of this dilemma . I said, the day of the trade, that this maybe the only real useful value of WAR, comparing trades years after they have taken place. I wonder what Solarte’s WAR will be next year for the Padres? And the year after that? And the year after that? At what, a cost of less than $2-3MM? I know exactly what Headley’s WAR will be for the Yanks after this season. ZERO.

        So thanks for reminding me about WAR. I usually keep it out of my mind because I prefer to think clearly

        • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

          Says the person who criticized others for not having an open mind.

          Thanks for reminding me that it’s worthless to discuss anything with you.

        • Keyser Soze

          So, only the stats that you deem as relavant have value? You prove my point somewhere in that double talk. SSSS as in small sample size sucks. It is minutiae. It’s only value is proving your meaningless points.

          • Bigdan

            Funny thing about small sample sizes. They are usually not all that helpful. Except when it’s the only size you have.

            But as I’ve said before, I’ll keep tuning in occasionally on Mr. Solarte as time passes and so you can keep adding up your precious WAR!

            • vicki

              bigdan: “as i’ve said.” everybody drink.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          *stabs self in eye*

          • Bigdan

            Once again, increasing the information value of the conversation. What a talent.

            • Keyser Soze

              Jorge doesn’t just lead the blog in number of comments. He leads by an overwhelming 50. Give the man credit for all the hard work.

        • vicki

          bigdan: “as i pointed out.” everybody drink.

    • Get Phelps Up

      Plate appearances-
      Headley – 71
      Prado – 29
      Drew – 30
      Solarte – 73

      Hardly a meaningful sample size.

      • Bigdan

        See below.

        • Get Phelps Up

          “Funny thing about small sample sizes. They are usually not all that helpful. Except when it’s the only size you have.”

          Which is why you wait until you have enough data to form conclusions.

          I can find a stretch of 73 plate appearances where Solarte performed as well or better as a Yankee.

          • Bigdan

            Like I said below, one thing we can all be fairly sure of regardless of any sample size. Solarte will be providing value for the Padres next year or some other team and so will Headley. But neither will be providing any value to the Yankees.

            • Get Phelps Up

              And now you are moving the goal posts, I see.

              • Bigdan

                No, just that there often several levels to any analysis, Inquiring minds need not stick to simply one.

                • Jorge Steinbrenner

                  Nothing anyone does on a comment on the comment section of a baseball blog, on a Saturday night, should ever be called “analysis.”

                • 461deep

                  Headley appears; to have earned another year on defense alone. Hopefully he will hit .260 with a little pop. Alex
                  looms so who knows how things will shake out. Tex-HED 1ST, Alex SS(in the pinch)-3rd-DH. HED 3rd.
                  Do not think Alex will/can be moved due to age, contract, baggage. Beltran no field complicates things further.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Thus concludes the world’s most meaningless riddle.

            • Masahiro Nakamura

              Headley has a good chance of resigning.

              • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

                No, not according to him. They simply don’t have room in Hal’s budget.

      • Rolling Doughnut

        Right. Although at least in Drew’s case, no SS is necessary to say with 95% confidence, he will continue to suck ass, 2013 being a straight up outlier.

        • Bigdan

          Headley in 2014 in 378 PAs—OPS+ 92

          Prado in 2014 in 465 PAs—OPS+ 92

          Solarte in 2014 in in 362 PAs–OPS+ 108

          For all you sample size fans out there.

        • Get Phelps Up

          I’m sure he’ll be better than a 45 OPS+.

          • Rolling Doughnut

            I dunno. In 14 PA with Bos this year, he threw up a 62

            • Rolling Doughnut

              *145 PA

    • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

      Solarte’s defense is nothing to write home about. Headley at 107 playing 3B is better than Solarte at 130 playing 3B.

      • Bigdan

        Of the three players the Yanks have added, so far I like Headley the best. I don’t think he’s much better than an average hitter but he may have some pop in YS. At the right price, with his defense he could be a useful bottom of the order hitter. But the problem is he’s not the impact bat the Yanks needed this year and he’s gone next. And the Yanks unfortunately gave up a player for him who could have been extremely cost effective for them over the next several years which would have allowed them to allocate their limited resources on pitching (Drob?) or hitting (Melky?) instead of a player like Prado.

        • forensic

          The player they gave up also, and more likely, could’ve been terrible for them making him not cost-effective at any cost, as he’d already been for about 2 months for them. But, I’m sure that was the fluke, it’s not like he spent eight seasons in the minors without a single team being willing to use a 40-man spot on him.

          • Bigdan

            I guess we’ll all see just how flukey Solarte is over the next couple of years won’t we? As he’s makes 1/20th the salary of Prado. While he was with the Yanks, there was quite a bit of analysis done on his hitting ability that suggested he was not a fluke in that capacity.

            • forensic

              You do realize that Prado and Solarte were in different trades more than a week apart from each other, right? I don’t like having Prado’s contract on the books either, but he and Solarte have very little to do with each other and are on the team to mostly fill different roles with different players around them. You can’t even seem to decide if you’re going to complain about Headley or about Prado as it changes every comment.

              • Bigdan

                The Yanks traded a cheap versatile player, someone who could play 2b, 3b and OF, for a rental. Then, a week later, traded for an expensive versatile player, who could play 2b, 3b and OF.

                Seems pretty damn connected to me. And not in a good way.

                • forensic

                  The Kelly Johnson trade is far more connected to Prado than the Solarte trade, in my opinion. Solarte was never really being floated as a serious option in the OF while that is where KJ would’ve mostly been playing. Prado was essentially the replacement for KJ once he was dealt for Drew who replaced Roberts.

                  • Bigdan

                    I believe Solarte played some OF in ST. And he played LF tonight.

                    • forensic

                      What he did in ST means almost nothing, other than to say that if he then didn’t play a single inning out there all season that probably tells you a little about what they thought of him out there.

                    • Bigdan

                      Except he played OF tonight. And that’s been my point all along. Solarte is providing similar or better value to another team as Prado is at 1/20th the cost.

                    • forensic

                      Playing it for a team that’s playing for nothing doesn’t mean he’s doing it well or helping by doing it.

                    • Deep Thoughts

                      OMG you and your small-sample-sizeturbation.

                    • Guest

                      And he played Maria in the San Pedro de Marcoris local theater production of “West Side Story.”

                    • Bigdan

                      Perfect song for you . . . “I feel pretty . . . ” Haha!

                  • Deep Thoughts

                    That is where KJ would have been playing, if he hadn’t pulled a groin the first time he ran after a fly ball in the gap.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Links, please?

              • Bigdan

                Try Google. But I specifically remember at least one in depth analysis on IIATMS (It’s about the money site).

                • Jorge Steinbrenner

                  “Try Google.”
                  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
                  In all seriousness, I just visited IATM. There were posts on 5/22, 5/28, and 6/10 as that spoke to his maintaining his success. By 6/17, the write-ups were about how there were very real signs that he couldn’t. I guess, if you choose to discount the fact that their write-ups became more negative over the time, you’d have a point on that.
                  Your hard-on for Yangervis Solarte is noted and has been noted since you came aboard with the rest of the diaspora.

                  • Bigdan

                    See you are very good at doing your own research after all. I knew you could do it!

                    I got a suggestion. Why don’t we just wait this out and see just see how my “hard on” does the rest of this season. And next season. And the season after that. An so on. And so on.

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner

                      You mean, like, not actually talk about Yangervis Solarte? I would LOVE to not actually talk about Yangervis Solarte and wait it out. What’s the worst I could be, wrong? Perish the thought. I will bet you ten pretend internet dollars that you will bring him up on here again before I do.

                    • Bigdan

                      Hey, it was you who replied to me, remember? I’d be more than happy if you ignored all my posts from now on. And I’ll do the same for you. Deal? I just don’t see how any of our conversations together raise the information level of this blog. Consider it our civic duty.

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner

                      If someone is going to claim Internet research on this site, they will be asked to show their work, whether it’s by me or anyone else. It’s obvious the type of discourse that was acceptable on LoHud at times from some. You’re not there anymore. This same conversation you’re having with me is the one you’re having simultaneously with about five others guys here at any given time. I guess we could all ignore you, but would that really stop anything?

                    • Bigdan

                      No, I said you should just ignore me. Let others fend for themselves. But it seems you just can’t resist your insufferable and childish comments to my posts. The kind of comments you could only get away with on the internet. You wouldn’t have the courage to say them to me in person because I’d simply kick your ass.

                      Fine so I’ll just ignore you. I’ve already wasted too much of my time on you.

                    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

                      Trust me when I say that he would not hesitate to say the same things to your face.

                      And you’d try to kick his ass because he makes gentle fun of your pontificating and “I’m the smartest guy in the room by far” attitude?

                      Get over yourself.

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner

                      People like this are much easier to ignore in person, and are usually the ones less likely to act the way they do on the Internet. This “you wouldn’t say it to my face” stuff is what it is, though. It actually reads as “I’ve run out of Internet coping skills for the evening, and this is all I’ve got left” brings veiled physical threats into the picture, and has no place on any message board.

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner

                      And you should be banned from here for making a physical threat. Good morning.

                    • Deep Thoughts

                      At some point you should consider seeing a doctor. Probably sooner than later.

                      “Ask your doctor if Yangervis is right for you.”

            • RetroRob

              He’s a fluke who will be discovered after a few turns through the NL as he was in the AL. I would not trade Headley back for him, that’s for sure.

        • Pkyankfan69

          I wish Solarte the best but chances are he’s going to start sucking again soon once the NL figures out what the AL figured out about him… There’s a reason why he was in the minors for so long. Over the long term his best case scenario IMO is decent to subpar offense and slightly below average defense at a few positions.

          • Bigdan

            You see people like to say he will be “figured out” but this isn’t the 1950s. Everybody has the same video and scouting reports on everybody else.

            I like Solarte’s walk and SO rates. That is not a fluke. He’s maintained them all year. I like that he’s not a slap hitter and swings to drive the ball almost all the time. I like that he’s just now entering his prime and is super cheap. I think he’s about an average ML hitter and that can be very valuable to the right team. Could have been the Yankees.

            • Stratocaster

              “this isn’t the 1950s. Everybody has the same video and scouting reports on everybody else”

              Hi-Def Zapruder film going viral!

  • Dos Luises

    Are the Severinos related? Today’s DSL starter is named Severino.

  • Trisha

    No idea what criteria are used to decide who gets a plaque and who doesn’t. I bet Bernie is hurt and Posada is pissed. Personally I think the Yankees are getting a little too free with handing out plaques. I think it is starting to take away from the special feeling that Monument Park always had.

    • CarlosRodriguezNeuf

      That’s what is so special about the Yankees. They are elite, the greatest sports organization in world history and they don’t act elitist. Unlike the Red Sox who have stipulations for being inducted into the “Red Sox Hall of Fame” like you must end your career with the Red Sox. The Yankees honor those important to their history and their championships. Posada will get his and I wonder if maybe Bernie will get his too one day.

      • Yanks101

        Its being rumored Bernie is gonna get his next year

        • Yanks101

          I believe he will

    • forensic

      I think they give things out way too easily and it’s taken away from Monument Park for awhile. Unfortunately, they’re already past the point of no return and have nowhere else to really go at this point. They certainly can’t/won’t un-retire any numbers or take away any plaques.

      • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

        Yea, but.

        I mean, the Yankees ARE the most storied/decorated/successful franchise of all time. So they’ve now honored 31 people in Monument Park. Of those 31, one is a player who never played for the franchise, one is a broadcaster, one is a PA announcer, one is a general manager, two are owners, and three are managers. So that’s only 22 players then from the team’s entire history. Is it too much? Eh, who’s to say. Contrast it with, say, the Astros, who have retired 9 different numbers, some with special circumstances, and who have never even won a single World Series game.

        It’s all relative. I say that the Yankees have always had an embarrassment of riches, and they should flaunt it.

        • Dos Luises

          It may not be the number of honorees but the selection criteria. I think Randolph is more deserving than Tino.

          • RetroRob

            I’d agree with that. I view the “giving of a plaque” to be the equivalent of being inducted into the Yankees HOF, and I certainly do think O’Neill deserves to be there. That doesn’t mean he’s a Yankee “inner circle” HOFer like a Ruth or Mantle, etc., but those guys shouldn’t be the standard for the Yankee HOF anymore than they are for the regular HOF.

            As long as they restrict the retiring of numbers to a very select few, I’m fine with plaques. There are other Yankees who deserve plaques, with Randolph and Nettles at the top of the list.

            • Jimmy

              Look up cumulative WAR for the Yankees and Nettles and Randolph aren’t at the top of the list. Perhaps among the living they are but there are some huge contributors not honored.

              • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

                I’m not sure who you’re referring to. According to BRef, the top 20 WAR Yankees are Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, DiMaggio, Jeter, Yogi, Ruffing, Ford, Mo, Dickey, Randolph, ARod, Pettitte, Bernie, Lazzeri, Guidry, Roy White, Munson, Cano and Nettles.

                The only guys on that list who aren’t in Monument Park and aren’t active or recently retired are Lazzeri and Roy White. It would be difficult to honor a guy who’s been dead for 70 years, and I’m not sure that not giving a plaque to Roy White is a big deal.

                • Jimmy

                  I was thinking specifically of Lazzeri, Henrich and Roy White. Randolph out-scores all 3 so I’m offline there and gladly admit it. Surprising that in less than his entire career that Willie stands #8 all-time in WAR in Yankees history. Nettles beats out Henrich but was on far fewer WS teams.
                  That said, how do you keep my three guys out if you’re handing out plaques to Tino & O’Neill?

                  • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

                    Because it’s easier to honor the living than the dead. And in the case of Roy White, he didn’t win as many rings as Tino or O’Neill and is never generally regarded as a great player, WAR notwithstanding.

                    • Jimmy

                      I agree, but for a team that keeps reminding us of such a long tradition, they don’t seem to recognize that there were some great great players back in the glory years outside of the big four.

              • RetroRob

                Then those players should be honored, too.
                Nettles and Randolph are identified with the Yankees and both had excellent careers. Nettles is a borderline HOFer. If Tino has a plaque, then Nettles and Randolph should be added.

          • vicki

            ladies love tino.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Marlins prospects? Do not love Tino.

    • vicki

      oh, stop. bernie nor jorgie is neither “hurt” nor “pissed.” that’s loopy soap opera talk.

      • BKamm

        Go girl!

      • HansDavenport

        I am so glad some one told her this. Her schmaltzy drama becomes so tiring even after a few minutes.

        • RhapsodyInBlue

          Ha ha this from the drama queen herself.

      • Trisha

        You have no way to know that. But thanks for playing.

  • Cill Bosby

    I was there and it was a nice ceremony, but the offense was bad today.

    • Trisha

      Sometimes you tip your cap. Today is definitely one of those days!

    • nycsportzfan

      It was annoying as if they had no confidence and fell right into the Kluber is great fanclub.. I guess that happens but they def missed some opp’s and there were quite a few swing and misses by at least a foot or more.. Oh well though, we beat Carrasco tomorrow, and we take the series and keep up the new found momentum into Baltimore for a huge series. Super excited to see Kuroda deal tomorrow.

  • Walter E. Kurtz

    Well do I remember reading Bill James (and I don’t mean to denigrate him) “bashing” the Yankees for trading CF Roberto Kelly for “The Warrior”. The reasons cited had to to with Kelly being younger, and playing CF, that he was more “valuable”. One of innumerable examples of the fallacy that staticians can take a full measure of a player’s “worth”. I’ve been onboard with the SABR crowd for over thirty years now, and many of them are too arrogant for what they’ve actually accomplished. If you’re reading this, and think I’m “off”, well, that’s fine. But pick up some old books, and see if the narrative matches the numbers ;)

    • Bigdan

      Interesting. I did not know that. I was a huge fan of James back in the 1980s. Couldn’t wait for those paperback Abstracts every year. I also didn’t like the Warrior trade at the time. Shows what I know.

      • Walter E. Kurtz

        Yeah, I wasn’t crazy about it, especially after reading James’ “ripping”…… You probably also remember quite a bit of “negative words” written about Bernie Williams at the time as well. NOBODY would have taken a bet that he would have had such a stellar career!

        • RetroRob

          Bet against any player having that type of career! Some players will, but the odds of any individual player having a Bernie Williams’ type career is very,very slim.

          • vicki

            (fun fact; bernie’s closest similarity score: paul o’neill!)

      • RetroRob

        James was pointing out it was a typical Yankee move during the Steinbrenner years, trading the younger player in Kelly for the older player (then 30) in O’Neill. While in this specific deal James turned out wrong, his criticism was correct. Paul O’Neill’s Yankee career was an aberration.

        What always made James special was his thought process. That remains the case to this day.

    • n0exit

      I’m all for advance stats and the like, and I have a pretty in depth understanding of them and their foundations but I have to agree to a certain extent. The hero worship at fangraphs is pretty laughable. Even when its plainly obvious that what they’re saying is wrong, the number of people that can’t fathom that fact is amazing.

      • Walter E. Kurtz

        Statistics can turn people into insufferable “Mr. Know-it-alls”. Yes, stats are vital in many fields, but they are only as good as the “models” that can be devised. And nobody can model injuries, the ability to hold up under pressure, pain thresholds, mental stabilities, etc. And I will stubbornly hold that there IS “clutch”, that a pitcher has no control as to where the ball goes, the hitter Does have control over where he hits the ball (w/some exceptions). And I Still cling to the idea that RBIs are “important”, not a final arbiter of a hitter, but very important. The logic of dismissing RBIs is “Pretzel Logic”, I’ll let it go at that. Oh, and I watched Tommy John when he was with the Yankees winning over twenty games in consecutive seasons. Anyone looking at his “line” these days would assume he lost 40+ games in those years. On television, though, I’d watch hitter after hitter pound the ball into the ground. Oh, and he pitched in 540 innings, at ages 36-37! And CC is a “horse” now!? Oh well…….

        • mustang

          ALL THIS!!!!
          Very well said

        • BKamm

          You’re getting carried away a bit, eh Walt?

          • forensic

            Yeah, he’s essentially doing what he’s complaining that these other people do, just in the exact opposite direction.

            • vicki

              i miss old RAB. it’s over, isn’t it? now the streets are paved with sportzfans.

              makes me sad.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              While citing a Steely Dan album. James was wrong on the trade. It’s not the only time he’s been wrong. As a younger fan, I wasn’t a fan of the move at the time either. Everyone moves on, and stats of all types still have their place.

    • BKamm

      Don’t recall James bashing that trade. Have a source? You speak of reading old books and seeing if the narrative matches the numbers? For instance?

      • mustang

        Still looking around but I have found a few place saying that Bill James described the trade as “a typical Yankee blunder”.

        • BKamm

          Interesting.

          • mustang

            “Alex Belth at Bronx Banter has a nice interview with Bill James… … is what he wrote about the Kelly for O’Niell trade: “Typical Yankee blunder. … Paul O’Neil reference provide us with some evidence of Bill James’ yankee bias.”

            • BKamm

              I don’t know about that. Not after seeing where he rated Berra in his Abstract circa 2000. Also he spoke very highly of both Bernie and Mattingly in the same abstract.
              If anything he saw it as a bad trade and nothing more. I’ve found him, especially unbiased in his abstract. His comparison of Roy White vs. Jim Rice alone proved that to me.

              • mustang

                Its just a quote I found.

                • BKamm

                  I understand. I didn’t agree at all with the quote and wanted to cite some examples of why. :)

                  • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

                    The “typical Yankee blunder” comment probably referred to the trend of horrible trades and transactions that they’d made throughout the 80’s, as if it was going to continue.

                    • BKamm

                      Of course. It’s not like it was an original thought by James. Over half the baseball world thought the same thing.

                    • RetroRob

                      No doubt. The trades the Yankees made during the 80s were quite horrible. Fred McGriff would have hit 500+ HRs if he played his career at Yankee Stadium and he’d have his own plaque out in Monument Park. Instead, the Yankees got Dale Murray, or whatever his name was!

              • Deep Thoughts

                I was all over that comparison like white on….never mind.

                • vicki

                  you should just retire. unless you think you can do better than this. (you can’t.)

            • RetroRob

              There is no Bill James bias against the Yankees.

              • Chip

                Bill James is biased against every single team if you ask their fans

        • YakaTanaka

          I think that really goes to the folly of buying too much into narrative. Back then it was the Yankees always trading young stars for washed up vets. More recently it’s been the Yankees can’t develop pitching… Until they do. Or the Rays, Royals, Sox, Cards only develop stars… Until they don’t.

      • Walter E. Kurtz

        Bill James used to write more “narrative” books than he does now for the upcoming seasons; back in the eighties and nineties. I kept those books for years and years (could still be in my attic packed away), but I don’t have the “specific” book in front of me. I believe if you search for Bill James’ publications for the year (I believe 1993 was the ‘trade year’), you’ll find it. As for as the “narrative”, the yearly “Stats Inc” books are a great start. I’m getting groggy, if you want some more “sources” to go through, write back. Later Sunday, I’ll go through some other shelves, like I said, I’ve thrown a library away, and other stuff, that I couldn’t part with are in “The Twilight Zone”, but I may be able to recall some. If you do some searching, you’ll see how far off the publications and scouts are when predicting players’ careers.

        • BKamm

          Okay. I misunderstood. Predicting careers. I thought you were saying something totally different.

        • RetroRob

          Bill James doesn’t write much of anything for public consumption now a days. He’s under contract with the Red Sox, who own his research. The books that come out now under Bill James’ name today are not written by him and have little to do with his research. It’s just branded under his name.

    • OldYanksFan

      Statistics document the past. They can’t and don’t predict the future. However, at any one moment, when evaluating a player, all we have is a players past record.
      Paulie took off with the Yankees, far exceeding his play in Cincy. Meanwhile, Roberto pretty much stalled. I mean… who knew?
      I was a fan at the time, and I thought it was a bad deal for the Yanks. O’Neil showed flashes of great production, but then always fell backwards. He was a ‘hot head’ and didn’t seem like a stable citizen.
      For reasons we can never know, Paulie took off in NY. The trade seemed to send him a message, and he was VERY upset. But it seemed it was the kick in the ass that he needed, as he excelled as soon as he was a Yankee.
      Roberto WAS 2 years younger and played a more premium position. It’s hard to blame anyone who thought it was a bad trade for the Yankees. The truth is YJCPB.

      • BKamm

        Yes. No one, writer, statistician, scout etc. is perfect. It really is much to do about nothing. James thought it was a bad trade and wasn’t the only one.

      • dkidd

        great avatar, sir

      • Walter E. Kurtz

        Exactly! It’s the “certitude” that the “pundits” (think Keith Law) put into the numbers when “predicting”, and to a lesser extent “evaluating” players from different eras that bugs me. It’s too late, or I’d really go on a “tear” ;)

        • BKamm

          Sorry. You can evaluate players from different eras. Been done for ages. You’re correct. It is getting late.

          • YakaTanaka

            You can compare them, sure. The point is that there’s no way to actually do it with 100% accuracy. Guys would have had different development, training, coaching, and opponents.

        • vicki

          keith law?? is your scary math science monster??

          huddle up. the earth is round and there is no santa claus.

          • Jimmy

            What’s that about Santa Claus?

          • YakaTanaka

            I think it’s more that Keith Law is the EGO monster. Guy comes across as a real know-it-all prick. In fact, I think it’s intentional… His schtick. Turns me off to no end, and I have no interest in reading his stuff

      • nycsportzfan

        The thing that made it hard initially was the Yanks had been bad for a few yrs straight, like terribly bad, and Roberto Kelly was a homegrown hopeful and the brightest light in the Yanks clubhouse. He had pop, could steal bases, hit for a solid avg, played good defense and was youngish. Pauly was known as a one dimensional lefty power hitter at the time who simply could not bat against lefties. It was Lou Pinella who miscast Paul Oneill and completely read him wrong..

        But it wasen’t so one dimensional people were crying about it.. But yeah, i’d say at the time of the trade, most were less then understanding of the move, but not jumping off a roof pissed.

    • YakaTanaka

      I understand what you’re saying in regard to human ego, but it doesn’t have much to do with SABR. People who have never seen a stat in their life fall victim to hubris as well. Heck, we probably all do at one time or another. Also speaks to the folly of falling for simistic popular narratives… At the time the Yankees were known for dealing very good young players for mediocre vets… So, many were probably thinking “here we go again.”

      I’m also not sure you’ve even shown that James “bashed” the Yankees. Most trades are going to be close to 50/50 propositions at the time, but journalists often go on the record with their opinions about the deal. That he didn’t like the deal doesn’t mean he thought it was a terrible deal that could never work out. I’d have to see the quote.

      You’re also talking about a trade that happened 20 years ago. Think about how far SABR has come since then.

  • bernbabybern

    10 more games against the O’s, probably the only way the Yankees catch them is to beat them up head to head, at least 7-3.

    • nycsportzfan

      agreed. The thing that sucks today is every other team of importance in the AL has super easy opponent.. But if we win tomorrow, we take the series and thats all you can ask for.. We keep doing that and eventually those teams will run into more tougher teams , including the Yanks.. I think Kuroda dazzles tomorrow at the stadium and we go to 15-8 since the AS break(currently 14-8)

      • forensic

        The thing that sucks today is every other team of importance in the AL has super easy opponent..

        Huh???

        The Yankees opponent is 58-59.

        The O’s opponent is 61-54, Blue Jays opponent is 63-51, and the Royals opponent is 62-55. Only the Mariners (56-62) are also playing an under .500 team.

        • nycsportzfan

          I was thinking Oakland, Angels, Mariners, Tampa Bay… As for us, we lost all ready so I was insinuating that before writing the list.

          • forensic

            The A’s, Angels, and Rays aren’t teams of importance for the Yankees at this point unless they’re playing them. The Rays traded away their ace and have even more teams and ground to make up than the Yankees. Meanwhile, the A’s and Angels could win 50 more games this year and it wouldn’t make a bit of difference to the Yankees in their playoff races (so to speak).

            • nycsportzfan

              Yanks could still catch the Angels. They are like 5-6 games behind them. The Angels hold one of the 2 WC spots, there fore they are still competion for the Yanks and a postseason spot.. Theres still a ton of games left.

  • dkidd

    outfit of the day goes to jorge

  • nycsportzfan

    Wow, Connor Spencer went 4-4 with 2doubles. This kids bat if for real. Can’t wait to see him move up to Charleston, as hes a college draft pick so he should move quickly. So far the Yanks are getting quite a good return on the 2014 draft picks.. Albeit, is to be expected some, with them taking so many college kids, but still feels good to see em mostly all producing. Jordan Montgomery threw a couple good inn’s for Staten Island and Mark Payton had a hit and a BB tonight.. Jordan Foley was pretty bad though..

  • nycsportzfan

    Heres a review of some of the more important players outta the system for last nights games..(more or less, the good games)

    Eric Jagielo 2-4 RBI, BB..

    Chris Smith 3inn 3hit 1er 3k 0bb..(2.91Era 43.1inn betwen tampa and charleston)

    Jake Cave 2-5 3B, RUN..(hitting 303ba 358Obp in 112games this yr)

    Ty Austin 3-5 RUN…(Hitting 351Ba 3doubles, 2Hr , 6Rbi last 10games).

    Greg Bird 2-3 2RUN, 2BB’s…(380Obp, 849Ops, 282Ba in 82games so far)..

    Jacob Lindgren 1.2Inn, 0Er, 0K, 1Bb…(0.56Era, 33k 5Bb in 16Inn so far).

    Michael Oneill 3-5 RUN….(Pauls nephew coming up big on his uncles day!)

    Gosuke Katoh 2-4 2B, 1Sb… (Avg is digging into 230’s finally at 233Ba overall)

    Connor Spencer 4-4 2B….(358Ba, 10doubles, 8Rbi in 32games)

    Austin Aune 1-4 1HR, 2Run…(after the bashing he took last nite figured he deserved the shout out for the HR..lol Still having terrible yr overall)..

    Nathan Mikolas 2-3 3B,2B,BB,4Rbi…(Still having bad yr but big game for former 3rd rd pick and he needed it badly).

    Jordan Montgomery 1.2Inn 2Hit, 0Er, 1BB 3K….(2.70Era 14k in 13.1Inn so far)

    Theres a few nice GCL stat lines but this is just a few of the SI to Scranton prospects who did well tonight.. Enjoy

    • Chip

      Just what I came here looking for, much appreciated

      • nycsportzfan

        No problem..

    • forensic

      Five batters faced and zero K’s for Lindgren??? Send him back to Tampa!

      And I wonder why I got a ‘see more’ message for this comment which hid half of it but have never gotten one for the numerous opus’s that have been written by other commenters on here since the changeover. Weird…

      • Chip

        He’s just ruining is stats now

      • nycsportzfan

        I am seeing same thing as far as ‘see more message’. As far as Lindgren, it almost seems silly when you think of the potential of a Warren, Lindgren, Betances , and Robertson backend of a Bullpen. Hes kinda the WC in the whole DROB stay or go thing, I think? Are the Yanks thinking one of Lindgren or Betances is gonna be the closer of the future or are they willing to pay DROB and just have a insane backend of the bullpen?

        • forensic

          I would still try to see what Warren’s future could be as a starter before giving up on him. He’s not in the same ‘failed starter’ group as a Betances (or maybe Jose Ramirez).

          And I don’t think Lindgren has anything whatsoever to do with what their decision will be on Robertson. Dude still hasn’t even thrown a pitch at AAA, much less in the Majors. And either way, they still have Betances around for many more years, several of them cheaply whether they make him closer or not (and even with how electric he’s been this season, there’s still that little something there that makes you wonder if his control problems might suddenly pop up again).

          • Chip

            You do sometimes see it in his control still, he’ll just completely lose the plate for a bit. My concern is that his stuff doesn’t look as crisp when he’s overworked but hopefully that just takes an adjustment to relieving more

          • YakaTanaka

            Warren’s not really a failed starter, just not a good one. Unless he maintains the velo jump he’s seen moving to the pen, I don’t see why he’d be any better than the 5th, 6th, 7th SP he was.

            Probably stretch him out in spring training, since then he can go either way based on need.

        • YakaTanaka

          I’d love to see them keep DRob. RPs get injured and just burn out fairly frequently. Plus as offense is down across the league and games are therefore closer, the BP is arguably increasing in importance.

          As others have pointed out, though, they probably need a SS and at least one SP more than a RP… So we’ll see how much and how they choose to spend.

          I’ll bet on keeping DRob. “True Yankee” who has done nothing but get people out for years. The QO puts them in a great position… Diminishes his FA value a little and gives them a pick if he does walk… Or brings him back on a one year deal.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Thanks for posting.

      • nycsportzfan

        no prob

  • Chip

    So how long until the really annoying bunch of LoHuders run away? I’m not saying I hate them all but you all did bring us Bigdan and whomever was talking about Austin as a future superstar earlier

    • bernbabybern

      And all of you are brilliant, of course.

      • Chip

        Not brilliant but there is a certain standard of not being an idiot that we strive to keep up

        • forensic

          I don’t know, brilliant sounds pretty fair to me. :-)

      • vicki

        unapologetic lol.

        at you.

    • bardos

      The kind of forum comment designed to increase good feeling and understanding.

      • vicki

        ingles, por favor.

        • bardos

          ¿Qué dices?

    • cr1

      I dunno, things are picking up again over there, and it has been my hope that as the inevitable rebound happens more and more of those who really fit in better at their old homestead will drift back.

    • YakaTanaka

      What caused the exodus from LoHud?

  • Billy Bats Eppler

    I find it fairly sad that Sterling couldn’t just speak from the heart and instead stumbled through written down generic PC speech.

    • Deep Thoughts

      If he had spoken from what passes for his heart, we would have all been subjected to a medley of numbers from “South Pacific.”

      • vicki

        that would’ve been AWESOME.

  • Deep Thoughts

    Drew Storen intentionally walked Ramiro Pena tonight.

    To get to BJ Upton.

    And it worked.

    Damn.

    • forensic

      Ah, BJ Upton, another wonderful five-year deal that many people wanted the Yankees to sign for his tools and potential.

      At least if he was here, we could probably feel pretty comfortable that he wouldn’t have gotten 90 of his 104 starts batting in the #1 or #2 spots in the batting order. Seriously, Fredi Gonzalez??? And people wonder why the Braves can’t score.

    • vicki

      W O W .

  • forensic

    So, Red Sox lead the Angels 3-2 after 7 innings. Sox blow the lead in the 8th and it’s tied 3-3.

    Top of the 14th inning, Sox score a run to take the lead. Bottom of the 14th inning, both teams blow it. Sox blow it by loading the bases with no outs and allowing the Angels to score one to tie it. Angels blow it by having 1st and 3rd with one out after tying it and not winning the game.

    On they go to the 15th inning… I really hate both teams, so it’s nice to see them both doing their best to embarrass themselves in this one.

    • Deep Thoughts

      Yep. Pujols pulled off and grounded out, then HamiLOLton struck out swinging on Ball 1, Ball 2, and Ball 4. Pathetic.

      • Deep Thoughts

        In fairness, Ball 1 was called a strike.

      • forensic

        Sucks that they got Hamilton for ‘just’ five years, but it’s awesome that he’s on the books for nearly $30 million per over the next three seasons.

        • Deep Thoughts

          I’m going to watch the last 4 innings of CWS-Mariners to see Rodney lose the game in the 10th.

    • forensic

      On they go, now to the 18th inning… Angels just blew a bases loaded, one out situation in the bottom of the 18th and couldn’t win while some guy named Heath Hembree (just saw he was part of the Peavy trade) has thrown three shutout innings for the Sox.

      • forensic

        Oh well, no 20th inning. Pujols walk-off homer off Brandon Workman (who started two days ago) in the 19th inning.

  • Billy Bats Eppler

    A couple of observations from Paul O’Neill Day:

    I found nearly everything that Kay and Sterling said to be disgustingly staged, disingenuous, and boring. They could do without those two Disney-ing up the ceremonies from here on. They should have had Cone mc it. Or Kenny Singleton. However you do the ceremony, though, it should be the presentation of the plaque, bringing a couple of other legends onto the field, a motivational or heart-felt speech, and that’s it. There is no need for all the theatrics.

    Also, someone should inform Gene Michael of the manziere.

    Finally, Paul O’neill was fantastic today. It was a really great speech and he definitely deserves a plaque. He truly was a pillar on those historically great teams unlike say Tino, Cone, or some other guys who were more ancillary players.

    • Deep Thoughts

      Kenny had other things to celebrate tonight:

      http://web.yesnetwork.com/medi.....yesnetwork

    • forensic

      Personally, I much prefer things to be professional like they typically do them.

      The last thing I’d want to see is something along the lines of a ‘This is our fucking city’ Ortiz speech.

      • vicki

        werd.

    • vicki

      john sterling is an american treasure. not kidding.

  • Bavarian Yankee

    just saying … I really hate the new comments section. Plus there seem to be a lot of new members. Which isn’t bad of course but some of them are very annoying already. Oh good old RAB, where art thou!?

    • Betty Lizard

      “Then leaf subsides to leaf,
      So Eden sank to grief,
      So dawn goes down to day
      Nothing gold can stay.”

    • Deep Thoughts

      We comment today, we win today, dassit.

  • Yankee Trader

    Good morning.

    http://www.funtrivia.com/en/sp.....18899.html

    Paul O’Neill was nick-named “The Warrior”, for his gutsy and selfless playing style. In what World Series game and against what opponent did he end with a running catch in right field with the tying and winning runs on base? Paul O’Neill

    1996 WS, game 5, vs. Atlanta Braves. O’Neill made his catch with the runners on base, with two out in the bottom of the ninth, with the Yankees clinging to a 1-0 lead. What made this impressive was that he made the catch with a very sore hamstring. It was also the very last game ever played in Atlanta’s Fulton County Stadium. It gave the Yankees a 3 games to 2 lead in the series, which they eventually won in 6 games.

    Was at that game, a pitcher’s duel between Pettitte and Smoltz. The attached article has some great info about Paul O’Neill, a most deserving recipient of a plaque in his honor.

    • MTU

      Buenos Dias

      • Yankee Trader

        Goedemorgen

    • Jimmy

      Easily one of the top ten games I ever watched. Pettitte had rough Game 2 and no one expected this out of the young lefty. Smoltz was awesome in that game also, just not as awesome as Andy.

      • Yankee Trader

        Jimmy-
        Good morning. It was Game 1 where Pettitte was clobbered 12-1.
        Andruw Jones, a rookie, had two homers.
        Game 2 was a Jimmy Key loss to Greg Maddux 4-0

        • Jimmy

          I stand corrected.

          • Yankee Trader

            No problem. I had to look that up make sure.

  • Yankee Trader

    Could have used Paul O’Neill yesterday in RF, even in his age 34, last season as a Yankee.

    I hope Cashman is still out there looking for a potent bat.

    • MTU

      We have a good lineup now. just have trouble keeping it on the field.

      • Yankee Trader

        And that will be a problem again next season, keeping the lineup on the field. Beltran , Teixeira, Rodriguez, McCann, the heart of the order, about $ 75M, 2015 dollars worth, or maybe worthless, investment.

        • MTU

          One reason they cannot have a FT DH.
          It’s a rest spot for the Geritol crowd.

  • MTU

    Is it going to be Tanaka in the 1 game playoff against the Halos ?

    • Yankee Trader

      I certainly hope so, except I hope the Yankees can overtake the Orioles, and get back both A healthy and dominant Tanaka and Pineda, plus get Beltran back in RF, keep Tex playing more than a week at a time, before getting another injury, and get McCann living up to his 85M contract!

      • MTU

        Most likely ?
        Division
        WC #2
        Going home
        I’m gonna go w WC #2

  • MTU

    Biggest positive surprise this season ? Biggest disappointment ?

    • MTU

      I’m gonna say GGBG’s power and Nova going down w TJS early in the season.

      • Yankee Trader

        Biggest positive surprise-Tanaka, as an Ace, not a #3.
        Runner up-Gardner, honorable mention, Solarte

        Biggest disappointment-Tanaka having a UCL tear
        Runner up-McCann, honorable mention, Teixeira for sagging minor injury production

        • MTU

          I’m not all that surprised by MT.
          Never bought that #3 line.
          I put Nova over MT because at least we got something out of him beforehand.
          Nova was gone almost immediately.

        • RhapsodyInBlue

          The demise of CC has to rate as one of my biggest disappointments with this season.

          • Yankee Trader

            Good morning.

            CC was a concern the previous season too. But I agree, as the one lefty in the rotation, it’s a great disappointment especially the loss of velocity, that made him a reliable and often dominant pitcher.

            • RhapsodyInBlue

              You wonder what the future brings. His knee from what I’ve read will require constant maintenance. Can he even work out of the pen? Certainly cannot plan to have him in the rotation for 2015.

              • Yankee Trader

                Rhapsody –

                I wonder, after the clean out, he’ll get another round of PRP, and even if he does get it, whether there is any cartilage left to regenerate?

                I think he will pitch, but will have to deal with pain in that knee, his landing leg.

  • Yankee Trader

    I’m clueless here. How do you keep track of replies to earlier posts this morning, without constantly scrolling back to earlier comments made much earlier?

    Need some help!

    • MTU

      Watch for the “comment above”, or “comment below” indication.

    • YakaTanaka

      At the top of the comment section, near your handle, there’s a little dialogue bubble that probably says “9+.” Click it and you can see all the people who have replied to your comments.

      The reply button is also a good way to keep conversations nested together so that you don’t have to scroll through hundreds of one-off comments.

  • Yankee Trader

    Baby Bomber Recap from Pinstripe Alley:

    http://www.pinstripealley.com/.....an-mikolas

    Ready for Lindgren?

    • MTU

      Sure. Bring him on.

    • RhapsodyInBlue

      I’m ready, certainly hope the kid is ready to step up. It’s been awhile since we had a consistent effective loogy.

      • Rick

        You mean aside from the fact that Lindgren isn’t a loogy.

        • RhapsodyInBlue

          Lindgren wouldn’t be used as a left handed specialist out of the pen?

          • Rick

            No, he would be used to get both RH and LH hitters out.

            • Rick

              You don’t draft a guy in the second round with your first pick who can only get lefties out.

              • RhapsodyInBlue

                And hopefully he will.

              • YakaTanaka

                That it was their first pick is really fairly irrelevant. And I’m not sure that the narrative really holds much weight anyway… you draft what you see as the best value, but you can only do so much to influence what he turns into. Lindgren is a high probability guy, not a 100% probability guy.

                I’m sure they hope he can get hitters of either handedness out. We’ll have to see if he can.

            • RhapsodyInBlue

              You have a point there. However it’s still been quite awhile since we’ve had an effective lefty working out of our pen.

              • Yankee Trader

                Where’s LOOGY Clay Rapada?

                :)

                • RhapsodyInBlue

                  Probably driving a dump truck.

      • YakaTanaka

        It’s been a matter of months since Boone Logan pitched for the Yankees. And Matt Thornton was fairly effective himself.

        I think that because a LOOGY is only out there to get LHH out, some fans mistakenly believe that he is expected to get every single LHH he faces out. Any time he doesn’t K every LHH he faces, some fans act as if he’s terrible.

        • RhapsodyInBlue

          I guess you and I disagree, I was specifically thinking of Logan and Thornton when I made my post. And why neither is still in pinstripes.

  • RhapsodyInBlue

    Reading the local papers this morning Mariano Rivera was in Saratoga last evening acting as the honorary chair at the National Museum of Dance annual gala. He must have left Paulie and headed up to Saratoga.

  • Yankee Trader

    OK, anyone else awake, besides MTU and myself?

    Current standings a % chance of every team making playoffs.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/standin.....order/true

  • RhapsodyInBlue

    I’m sure they had an event at the track yesterday that Mariano blew off to attend Paul O’Neil’s plaque ceremony. What a gracious man Mariano is.

  • RhapsodyInBlue

    Good morning YT and MTU ;)

  • Yankee Trader

    I’m replying to myself, after looking at the odds of making the postseason.

    The Yankees have 32 games versus AL East opponents left, 20 of those the last 20 games of the season, the last three at Fenway.

    They have a chance to win the division, and now I believe in order to get into the postseason, they really need to come out on top in the AL East.

    Thoughts?

    • RhapsodyInBlue

      We’ll know a lot more after the upcoming series with Baltimore. I sure wish we had both McCann and the Iron Horse for the O’s.

    • YakaTanaka

      Can you use the reply button?

      Not sure what you want people to say… “The Yankees may or may not make the playoffs. We’ll have to see how the rest of the season goes.” What else is there to say?