Heyman: Marlins, Stanton close to record 13-year, $325M deal

2014 Season Review: Brendan Ryan and the Random Infielders
Update: Yoan Moncada declared free agent by MLB
(Mike Ehrmann/Getty)
(Mike Ehrmann/Getty)

This isn’t Yankees-related — not directly, anyway — but holy crap, Jon Heyman says the Marlins and Giancarlo Stanton are close to finalizing a 13-year contract worth $325M. The record contract would include a no-trade clause and an opt-out clause. It would be the first no-trade clause in franchise history. Stanton had been scheduled to become a free agent after the 2016 season.

Depending on the date of the opt-out, this contract may actually increase the chances of Stanton becoming a Yankee down the line. Very few franchises can afford to absorb that kind of money in a trade. Either way, hell yeah Giancarlo. Dude is worth every penny in my opinion. He just turned 25 last week and he’s the top power hitter in baseball at a time when power is rare. Plus he has marquee value that transcends on-field performance. What a world.

2014 Season Review: Brendan Ryan and the Random Infielders
Update: Yoan Moncada declared free agent by MLB
  • JacobyWanKenobi

    He’s 6 months older than me and I still don’t have a post college job. ;.;

    • Drew

      He is a year younger than me and will make more money than the next 5 generations of my entire family combined. (Unless my great great great grandkid actually wins the lotto like Ms. Cleo told me a few years back)

    • Dalek Jeter

      He’s 38 days younger than I am, and I have a job as a store clerk. I am Dante Hicks without the two hot girlfriends problem.

      • TB

        LMAOOOOOOO Dalek – Did anyone ever die in your bathroom reading nudie magazines ?

        • Dalek Jeter

          Not yet. No hockey games on the roof either. God…I’m some how lamer than Dante.

          • TB

            Clerks was a classic movie – who brings one ball to a hockey game? Just one ball

            • Dalek Jeter

              I’m glad there is something we can agree on, because you are right. Clerks is just classic.

              • TB

                Try enough subjects in life and eventually everyone can find something they enjoy

    • Chip

      He’s 11 years younger than me and has already made more money than I will and I have a good job.

    • Scott

      He’s 15 years younger than me and so I am 15 years older than him. Cashman failed.

    • HoopDreams

      Hes 5 years older than me and Im still in college

      • Dalek Jeter

        HoopDreams knows the struggle. Finishing my Associates in two months.

        • HoopDreams

          Nice man, right now Im at Syracuse, Junior. Working towards a bachelors in Mass Communications. I might need another semester after my senior year because I transferred and some of my credits didn’t go through.

          • Ninja0980

            You’re in my neck of the woods.
            Cold and snowy but I love it here.

  • Drew

    I wish I could remember which thread where some argued to their last breath that they wouldn’t trade the farm for Stanton.

    • blake

      I would have traded all the prospects and Bret Gardner for Stanton

      • Drew

        I would trade Derek Jeter’s final game at Yankee Stadium plus all the super models he has dated over the years for Giancarlo Stanton.

    • Dalek Jeter

      I would annex Staton Island, Scranton/Wilkes Barre, and Tampa for Miami in return for Stanton.

  • blake

    Madness……I’m sure they are somewhat banking on him using the opt out clause making it in reality a shorter deal but this is super risky. Stanton is good and all but it’s not like he’s prime Arod or Pujols good…..and he gets hurt some too. I know they have to overpay him but whoa!

    • Chip

      I wouldn’t be shocked if the opt out is timed to coincide with when guys like Fernandez and Yelich start to get expensive. Let Stanton see if the Marlins are willing to keep good players around when they cost money or he bolts. At which point Loria will tear the whole thing down again by dealing off those guys too.

      • blake

        I’m guessing it’s in 4 or 5 years….when he’s around 30. If you’re Stanton though you still have like 9 years left if that’s the case!

        • Chip

          Well of all the things I’m going to worry about – Giancarlo’s happiness while he’s banking $30 m/year living in South Beach ain’t one of them.

  • blake

    Guessing the opt out will be after 4 or so years…..so I’m guessing the marlins think this will actually be a 4 or 5 year deal instead of a 13 year one. But that’s a big big gamble because if he gets hurt or falls off you’re screwed

  • JGYank

    So now the question becomes what team has the balls to trade for that contract when they have their next fire sale. lol

  • TB

    You know MLB is smiling about this for two reasons — Its gives credibility to the Marlins franchise and AROD no longer has the biggest deal ever on the books

    • JGYank

      The owners hate this. The players’ union is planning a party on Giancarlo’s new yacht.

      • Dalek Jeter

        Every other “small market” team is calling Loria “How are we ever going to get a celery cap with you pulling this shit?!”

        • Chip

          I would think a celery cap would have to be grown not negotiated. :-)

          • TB

            LMAOOOOO chip

          • Dalek Jeter

            :( No Thread For Old Meme’s apparently.

      • TB

        Have you ever been on a Yacht??? She responds to Arthur why is it great? He responds it doesn’t suck

    • Pete22

      I think in real dollars Arods 2 contracts are still the largest in total dollars and AAV

  • Canarsie Yankee

    Four years younger than I and he’ll make more whilst brushing his teeth than I will in multiple years. Insane. But if that’s the kind of value he produces, then so be it.

  • Chip

    The interesting part will be whether or not the Marlins will spend to surround him with players or if they’ll just say – you got your money – now shut up about playing with guys like Jeff Baker.

    • JGYank

      Probably will lock up Fernandez too.

      • Dalek Jeter

        No way, Scott Boras clients almost never sign extensions.

        • JGYank

          Didn’t know his rep was Boras. At least they’ll have 1 superstar.

    • Dalek Jeter

      I think this is much more likely to go the way of the Rangers with A-Rod than it is The Nationals with Werth. A-Rod with The Rangers is the situation that you’re describing, whereas Werth’s deal signaled to the League that the Nationals were willing to spend to win.

      • Chip

        I agree – Loria’s going to say to fans “look we invested to keep this guy, now come sit in the stands” and when they don’t because the team is still awful and there’s no one playing with Stanton, he will cry poor and deal away guys like Yelich, Fernandez, etc…

        • TB

          That’s when they move the team to VEGAS

          • JacobyWanKenobi

            I’m still a fan of a Portland team.

  • blake

    Trout might get 400 million when he’s a FA

    • JGYank

      This contract is another reason why the one he just signed with the Angels is such a steal. He’ll probably be too old when his current contract ends to get to 400 unless they pay him what he’s actually worth per year.

      • Pete22

        Bad agents just want to lock in a big commission ASAP. Like bad real estate agents just want to sell quick more than get the best price

    • Pete22

      No guarantee he is healthy or the same player. Lost some speed , defense and he had more K’s than hits this year.. Still a great player, but nobody knows what he will be when he is a FA

  • Dalek Jeter

    Oh man, I just thought…imagine this deal falls apart at the zero hour…Marlins fans (all 9 of them) will rip the stadium down.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      Was it really built that poorly? Might explain why those fans always seem to be near the exits.

      • Dalek Jeter

        Their leader will be Robinson “Jorge Steinbrenner” Tilapia, the secret Marlin Fan.

        #Truther’d

        • Canarsie Yankee

          So that’s why the Steinbrenners camped out in Tampa. Just over the horizon, ready to strike when needed….that and the fishing.

  • Pete22

    When Trout was negotiating his extension I suggested the Angels/Trout structure a similar deal in terms of length and opt-out. Most said a deal of 13 years could never happen, and it didnt with Trout for some reason.

    • Dalek Jeter

      The Angels didn’t want to go that long, I remember reading that the Angels were more content doing what they wound up doing, or a 9 or 10 year deal, while Trout wanted what they wound up doing or an all out 15 year deal and the Angels didn’t want to go that long.

      • Pete22

        Teams never do, it comes down to agents having the will to go toe to toe. Trout had all the leverage. If the Marlins can do it the Angels could have as well

        • Dalek Jeter

          Could’ve, but I can understand why they didn’t. 15 years is a very long time.

          • Pete22

            Well, yeah, I mean it worked for them. 15 years is a long time but Trout is a once in a century kind of player, and salary inflation reduces some of the cost at the end

            Anyways, Stanton is getting what Trout could have had. May work out just as well for Trout is he is still a stud when he is FA. However, as he saw with Taveras, and almost with Stanton at the end of last year, there are no guarantees outside the present unless it is in a guaranteed contract

            • Canarsie Yankee

              Inflation and salary inflation will still mean a lot of money and a roster spot at the end of 2029.

    • captainmike

      they were smart to know that one serious injury could be a disaster for the angels

  • Bigdan

    At least two lessons for the Yanks here: (1) Develop your own players. Which means giving young players a shot at a spot in the lineup over stop gap vets and (2) Don’t ignore Cubans. Or Koreans. Or the Japanese for that matter..

    Get Moncada.

    • TB

      Reports state Moncada will come down to a battle between the Yankees and the Redsox.

      • Dalek Jeter

        I hope that’s a real report, because we haven’t had a good, old fashioned, bidding war with the Sox since the days of yor.

      • Bigdan

        This guy has like a Harper or Trout scouting report. The Yanks may never have access to a young player like him again.

      • Bigdan

        Another thing about Moncada. Under present rules, he can’t sign a major league contract. That benefits the Yanks more than any other team because whatever he gets paid ($40MM?) is not subject to the luxury tax. The penalty for going over the pool is basically the same for every team. So it’s not like a major league free agent whose contract costs $50MM to every team but actually costs the Yanks $75MM.

        • Guest

          Wait, who has an international spending pool of 50 million, right now?

        • JacobyWanKenobi

          As I stated elsewhere, it doesn’t matter if he signs a major league
          deal, minor league deal, or a 10 day nba contract, they get taxed on the
          IFA spending, so giving him 50MM will cost 75MM AND put a $300,000 limit in the next years IFA pool, so other teams that are not currently over the threshold actually do have a disadvantage, provided he is available before next period. In the event that he’s posted in the next period, NY cannot possibly sign him unless he wants to sign for 300k.

    • The Great Gonzo

      Neither is true.

      You will not be getting a Giancarlo from Refsnyder. Math doesn’t work that way. He’s a generational talent, and those guys doesn’t get blocked by Brian Roberts.

      Also, Stanton was born in Sherman Oaks. No, there’s no Sherman Oaks in Cuba. Or Korea.

      • Bigdan

        I only made two points there but you missed about 10 haha!

      • Dalek Jeter

        Yes, but there are excellent japanese restaurants in Sherman Oaks, so your point is invalid. Somehow.

    • Pete22

      I have to admit, I don’t see those lessons with Stanton either

      • Bigdan

        Put on your thinking cap Pete.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      And don’t sign Mark Teixeira. *ducks from impending 773rd debate on that topic*

  • Dalek Jeter

    O/T, Burnett is back with the Bucs. As much as he struggled in pinstripes, I always liked AJ, I’m glad he did well in Pittsburgh and hope he finds success there again.

    • HoopDreams

      AJ had his moments with us, although his tenure overall wasn’t all that good

      • The Great Gonzo

        I covered this elsewhere, but I believe he was the last player to strike out the side on nine picthes- all swinging strikes. Oh, Good AJ….

        • HoopDreams

          Jose Molina was brave enough to handle most of his games

    • blake

      Yea I pull for AJ

    • Canarsie Yankee

      Quite a turnaround from that retirement talk.

  • pfoj

    I was talking with my softball team last weekend about him and said Stanton would get a $300 MM contract some day and none of them believed me. Suck it, teammates.

    • Pete22

      Everyone expected he could, just not with the Marlins

      • pfoj

        Well, everyone who follows baseball closely enough to comment on baseball blogs thought he would. Most people I know are football fans first though so they don’t appreciate just how much money baseball has right now.

        • Canarsie Yankee

          That, plus super long term contracts are even riskier in the NFL than the MLB.

          • Paul San Filippo

            Not at all considering the NFL doesn’t have guaranteed contracts like baseball.

            • Canarsie Yankee

              Something I often forget.

    • RetroRob

      If you really wanted to impress them, you should have declared that within the next week Stanton will get a $300MM contract! But, yes, a $300 million contract was coming for either Trout, Harper or Stanton. It’s their talent level and their young age. Harper has yet to achieve the level of on-field success to deliver that deal, but current course and speed (and with Boras as his agent), he’s on the way.

  • Masahiro Nakamura

    I want him

  • Mandy Stankiewicz

    all my little cousins and nephews are getting baseball gloves for the holidays.

  • captainmike

    he is one serious injury from the contract being a disaster for the marlins

  • captainmike

    Drafted by the Florida Marlins in the 2nd round of the 2007 amateur draft.

    once again, THE SCOUTS FAILED A WHOLE LOT A TEAMS !!!!!

    YANKS CHOSE BRACKMAN INSTEAD OF STANTON

    • Canarsie Yankee

      Some teams missed more than once. There were 60-something players selected in the first round, if you include the supplemental picks.

      • vicki

        one would almost think it’s hard to project 18 year-olds.

  • mustang

    Teams never learn!

    • LazerTown

      Most of the long term deals to players in their mid 20’s have worked out really good.

    • JGYank

      Kind of agree. He’ll be great for a while, but by the time he reaches his mid 30s his K rate is going to be astronomical. I would have kept it to a 10 or 11 year maximum.

      • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

        10 or 11 years is ok but that 12th & 13th year is what’s gonna kill the deal for you?

        • Masahiro Nakamura

          I don’t see where 13 came from. I’d rather spread that 75m over those 10 years than have the extra 3 years imo.

          • RetroRob

            …because the Marlins won’t be paying those years. They don’t care.

        • JGYank

          Considering he may he end up falling off a cliff well before that, yeah I’d want to keep that contract reasonable especially with the all the money on it. His K rate is high now. If he declines, he won’t make much contact and it doesn’t really matter how much power you have if you can’t make contact. That’s a big part of the reason why BJ Upton and Uggla completely fell apart. Plus there’s the risk of injury and the fact that he can opt out if he’s playing well and has a no trade if he doesn’t play up to expectations.

          • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

            His K-rate was 26.6%. Mike Trout’s was 26.1% this year – you scared to sign Mike Trout too? And by the way his K-rate has actually dropped each of the last couple of years.

        • JGYank

          Let’s put it this way: what if the Arod contract was only 7 or 8 years? Would either be ending now or at the end of 2015. Big difference.

          • RetroRob

            A-Rod’s original deal was for 10 years. If he signed for 13 years, he would have completed the contract after 2013. Sold! It would have been a fantastic deal. Sure, he was in decline by then, but that’s part of the bargain between owners and the union. Players are underpaid at the start of their careers. But, yeah, a 13 year deal with A-Rod would have a been a great value.

            • JGYank

              I was referring to the second deal the Yanks signed him to which was also 10 years. My point is just taking a couple years off of a contract can be a great idea and the team won’t have to deal with paying a superstar salary to a player probably worth little to nothing. It often cripples the team for a couple of years.

              Also Arod before his first contract was a smaller risk than Giancarlo because he was a better all around player that played a more important position and didn’t have as nearly as high of a K rate.

          • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

            Arod will be 42 when his contract is up – Stanton will be 38. Big Difference. Stanton has put up huge numbers in a time when offense is way down. Big Difference.

            His OBP and Walk rate went up this year. He’s 25 and seeing the contracts that Cabera, Verlander, Kershaw, Cano and so on got, it very well could have been their choices were $325 million for 13 years or 0 years.

      • mustang

        The whole thing is ridiculous especially for franchise like the Marlins.

    • RetroRob

      He’s not going to be on the Marlins at the end of the deal. The Yankees will have to worry about those declining years. : -)

  • Tim Baumgardner

    What would Babe Ruth have gotten today at age 21-25? After throwing shutout innings in the WS as a pitcher and hitting more homeruns by himself than the other baseball teams at that time? 15-500?

    • LazerTown

      They wouldn’t have liked his body type.

      • SixAces

        But you can’t pull fat!!!

    • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

      Delete

    • Masahiro Nakamura

      Well I’d say he’d be worth 500m easily.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      $80K a year plus a case of Rheingold.

    • bardos

      The shift would kill him

  • hrbomber1113

    Dude goes from the other Mike Stanton to worth over $300M mighty quick. Congrats to him. Would have been more impressive to get that contract as the LOOGY version though.

    • vicki

      i remember the day the football giants’ steve smith became the other steve smith.

      • hrbomber1113

        Compared to the NBA player?

        • Stratocaster

          No the original drummer from Journey.

  • SixAces

    Number of years before Marlins try to trade him off because they’re such a horrible franchise/management/FO?

    • Masahiro Nakamura

      3-4

      Stanton at 28 and 10 years 275m isn’t that bad honestly. They could trade him quite easily as long as he’s still good.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      Three. He’ll be traded to Cleveland along with journeyman Cash Considerations for LeBron.

    • Rick Myles

      In 2 years they’ll trade him and $100 million to the RedSox for a couple of prospects just to take him off their books.

  • RetroRob

    Opt-outs are almost always used, unless the player has suffered an injury or a substantial loss in ability decreasing his market value. Seems pretty unlikely Stanton won’t use it. The Marlins will probably be praying he uses it.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      I’ve got to wonder if super mega contracts will employ multiple opt-outs, rather than the old fashioned options and vesting options, or even team opt-outs. The latter would probably draw ire from the union, though.

      • RetroRob

        I don’t see a player giving a team an opt out.

        • Dalek Jeter

          Like Lazertown said, a “team opt out” is essentially an option.

          • RetroRob

            Not really the way they are structured. A team option is stuck at the end of a contract, meaning it’s always a win for the player. He’s already made his money, so now it’s a question will my five year deal become a six year deal, etc. And, btw, if the team doesn’t trip the opt out, there is usually a buyout associated with it.

            What I viewed Canarsie as saying is an opt out for the team, building in “outs”, or at least one “out” for the team during the course of the contract. So, for example, when the Yankees signed A-Rod to his last contract, they would have tried to add an opt out somewhere along the ten year deal, so at year five or seven, where they could opt out of the remainder of the contract. That’s why I said I don’t see a player giving that team an opt out. The current option structure benefits the player. The opt out I’m talking about based on what I thought Canarsie meant was an option that would the benefit the team.

            • http://twitter.com/catone Josh Catone

              Isn’t that just semantics? Instead of a 10-year deal with a team opt-out in year 7, call it a 7-year deal with a 3-year team option.

              • RetroRob

                Not at all. My point is “option years” are designed for the benefit of the player. A true team opt out would be designed for the benefit of the team.

      • LazerTown

        Team opt out is essentially a team option.

  • ScottinSJ

    Just give him a percentage of the team and be done with it.

    • Masahiro Nakamura

      I think he basically owns the team now.

      • JacobyWanKenobi

        Well they did just give him $325MM per average amount of fans in attendance.

  • Pkyankfan69

    Imagine if he signed the deal and then got suspended for a positive PED test in spring training… And then he was never the same guy without the juice…. That would be BRUTAL lol

    • Masahiro Nakamura

      I honestly think the Marlins would just end their franchise

    • Y’s Guy

      maybe he’s never the same again after his beaning. happened to alot of guys including Billy Martin.

    • LazerTown

      sounds like Braun.

      • RetroRob

        Hand injury.

  • RetroRob

    It’s only an AAV of $25MM, and that’s over a very long period when salaries will continue to rise. Considering his age, it’s probably an underpay. The danger is the length of the deal. I suspect the Marlins will give him his opt out at five years, which is when he’d be a 10-5 man. They’ll backload it tremendously, maybe paying $50 million over the next five years, knowing they won’t owe the remaining $275 million. They might want to pay a bit more upfront, though, since if they backload it too much and he’s set to make $34 million a year, Stanton may not trip the opt out if he doesn’t think he can get more.

    • JGYank

      That’s a good point. If they don’t backload it, he’s more likely to opt out. If I’m the Marlins, I wouldn’t backload the deal and I would give him some opt outs just after his prime (32ish) so if he feels if he can get more money (which he could with inflation) they might get lucky and escape the contract before he drops off by giving him an opportunity to sign another big deal.

    • Pete22

      There is going to be an opt out, and if he does not opt out it means the Marlins are on the hook for a guy who is probably overpaid (which could be the case if he has a career limiting injury). I imagine they will insure that contract to the max though

  • gageagainstthemachine

    I wasn’t an economic major in college, but that’s a lot of money, right?

    • Canarsie Yankee

      Only to the ants on the ground floor.

    • Hawkeye86

      Maybe to you it is. I know I spend that equivalency of pocket change on my way to work every day.

  • mustang

    Damn Yankees!
    Ruining the game with their over spending on players.

  • Rick Myles

    Another idiotic contract that this GM will get fired for eventually and the ownership will be frantic to get off their books in 2-3 years at 60 cents on the dollar from some big market team. There is no way a team with a $100 million payroll (and I doubt the Marlins are even that high) can pay 1 player 25% of the budget and put a good team on the field. If Stanton gets injured and can’t play, the Marlins are done…they can’t eat a mistake like the big market teams can.

    • LazerTown

      They were at $45MM this year. That’s a bit more than 25%.

      This type of contract is coming down from ownership. No GM in the game has the power to give out a contract of this size, not even cashman.

      • Rick Myles

        Yep. Ownership wants a big winner for a year or 2 to generate fan interest and give the government a return on their stadium investment. Then they will dump the contract on some big market team.

        • mustang

          Yep, thats a good plan if only this contact guarantee a “big winner”
          which it doesn’t.

        • Pete22

          NTC

          • vicki

            which, if he gets one, i can’t imagine he wouldn’t waive to get out of miami.

    • chris hines

      They can still field a winner they just have less room for failure on their other contracts. I’ve seen several articles cover how the Rangers could’ve fielded a great team with Alex using other free agents available over ones they choose and came out with the same total payroll. There’s obviously some assumptions being made but they COULD HAVE fielded a winner, they just picked poorly with their other contracts. The bigger difference would be Arod was a gold glove SS while Giancarlos is an average RF, so the value is a bit different. That said Stanton likely hasn’t come close to tapping the tops of his potential so there’s still room to grow in his game offensively.

  • mustang

    EVERYTHING THAT RICK MYLES SAID BELOW!!!

  • LazerTown

    Cashman failed big time on this.

  • mustang

    Instead of trading the guy for 2 to 3 top cost control prospects lets pay one guy our payroll for the last 3 years combine!

    • RetroRob

      That might indicate more of a problem with the Marlins payroll. I think it also indicates how much money is flowing in the game right now. I’m a bit surprised that MLB has allowed a form of a salary cap but there is not a salary floor.

      • Pete22

        I think you mean MLBPA allowing a cap and not a floor. I also don’t understand them allowing a penalty on FA via the QO system. My guess is they have been co-opted

        • RetroRob

          I meant to edit it, but figured it would be understood.

    • TB

      He would have netted more than 2 or 3 top prospects – he would have probably netted 5 top tier prospects in a trade

  • LazerTown

    If this goes through they would be guaranteeing more money to him than their last 5 years of their opening day payrolls combined.

  • Pete22

    I think the Marlins are bluffing. They are hoping some team comes screaming offering them the keys to the castle for Stanton before they sign a deal

    • CashmanNinja

      It’s too close to kill the deal now. No way it’s to try to get another team to offer prospects. Say hello to the new record contract…and a laughable one at that. I’m all for signing guys to extensions when they’re younger, but this is beyond overkill. Hell, I think Mike Trout would be far more deserving of this sort of contract than Stanton.

      • Pete22

        Agreed. Watch Stantons production fall off a cliff after the deal. I call it the complacency affect. Life style changes dramatically, does not have to worry about performance impacting his salary, slacks off on conditioning, etc, etc

        • vicki

          you have some bizarrely cynical theses about the pro player work ethic. i let it slide when you kept insisting the coming free agent pitchers were phoning in the off-season. but enough.

        • Pat M

          Pete were do you come up with this stuff ???? Most of these guys bust their ass because they love the game. Yes of course the bread is a factor but come on man they’re not going to start dogging it or mailing it in…

    • TB

      This was never a bluff and they didn’t need to do something like this to get people to offer the farm for him. In other news – BOSCH testified that Scott Boras tried to cover up Manny Ramirez last failed PED Test..

  • Fins

    Really annoys me when these small market teams go out and make these deals. They dont have the money to pay the contract then trade the contract to a large market team and bitch how the large market teams are ruing the sport with big contracts. I mean this contract is what $80m or so larger than any contract in history and the Marlins are going to pay it?

    • Pete22

      Technically revenue sharing is paying all of it (Marlins get about 30 million a year). He has a NTC so it will be hard to trade it. Also, new MLB TV money increased each teams revenue almost 25 million a year over the life of Stantons deal

  • TB

    lmao at Scott Boras

  • vicki

    *alex anthopoulos spit-take*

    • Dalek Jeter

      *Dalek Jeter head-scratch*

      • vicki

        well, i mean, the bj’s will be taking over this contract in three years, right?

  • Hankflorida

    When Cano was twenty five and if the Yankees would have known that he was a HOF player, would they have given him a thIrteen year contract?

    • RetroRob

      Cano at the same age as Stanton had three years in the majors and while quite good was not being discussed as a HOF talent. Cano has exceeded his projections, so if the Yankees knew somehow he was going to be a HOF player, then I would say yes they would sign him because in order to be a HOF player, he would have to be productive at least for the next ten years.

      • Pat M

        Cano needs to post another solid 4-5 years before he’s going to be considered a Cooperstown candidate

        • RetroRob

          I agree. I was trying to figure out Hank’s question. If you somehow “knew” a player was going to the HOF (which is impossible), then that would clearly impact your willingness to sign him to a long-term contract. Yet unless we’ve entered some science fiction, alternate reality that can never be known. There are, however, players who when they are still young are viewed as HOF talents. Mike Trout is that type of player. Cano was never that type of player.

          • Pat M

            Trout should be playing at another level above MLB

            • RetroRob

              He is playing on another level; the league however doesn’t exist!

            • RBIBaseball

              Yes, a league where Mike Trout and Clayton Kershaw are the only two playing backyard baseball for 162 games.

          • hansdee

            He’s easily considered that now. Look at his comps. Already three HOF 2B in his comps.

            • Pat M

              He needs another 4-5 years at his current pace to be considered for the HOF. Only Yankee fans believe he’s a lock at this point. Get real

              • rezaKR

                Cano’s is a fairly good bet for Cooperstown barring some catastrophic injury. And, yes, only Yankee fans think this, the Mariners just blindly gave the dude $240M because they expect him to not perform up to that standard.

            • RetroRob

              I’m not sure what that’s in response to. It seems out of step with the conversation.

        • Pete22

          Not really. Career rWAR is 51.5. Generally a shoe in at 60. He simply needs to be league average for 4 and replacement level for the rest

          • Pat M

            Then he will not get in

  • Bret The Hitman

    I would hate to have to pay taxes on that…

    Never mind I think I could get over it eventually.

    • Dalek Jeter

      No state tax in Florida.

      • Bret The Hitman

        Good because I don’t think I’d ever be able to survive having to pay taxes with that level of income. I’d hardly have anything left to spend on Ivory tusks and rotating beds, leopard skin rugs and 800K tree houses or 100K necklaces for my poodle.

      • nylsjd

        Sports are interesting in that you get taxed based on where your games are for the week. When you make $25M per year, you can afford the hits

        • Pete22

          Thats only state taxes, a drop in the bucket compared to Federal, unless you play in NY or CA

  • nylsjd

    Bravo, Giancarlo. Wish I was your agent.

  • vicki

    and good for baseball. all those multi-sport athletes will give it a little extra consideration.

  • Bret The Hitman

    When Stanton retires, he buys Italy.

    • gageagainstthemachine

      I tried looking up countries with less GDP than what he’ll make with this contract. Couldn’t find easy numbers to translate, but it seemed to be quite a few at rough glance.

      • Bret The Hitman

        At the very least he’ll be able to cruise around in the Pope mobile and rent out the Leaning Tower of Pisa for his bachelor party.

        Me personally I’d want a small statue of a solid gold monkey. Nothing related to Italy I just like monkeys a whole bunch.

      • vicki
        • Canarsie Yankee

          Some of those Pacific island nations are sinking…I’m sure there’s a “sunk costs are irrelevant” joke here for you econ folks.

      • Pete22

        Only way he has that kind of money is if he skips town without paying any taxes. Not sure he can get away with it for 13 years though

  • Pete22

    Seems like all the new money is being spent on the West Coast or NL. Al East is the poor mans league-division now.

    Case in point, the Red Sox and Yankees combined opening day payroll last year was 353 million. The lowest in real dollars this century, and the lowest in actual dollars since 2009. For the first time since 1993 both teams missed the playoffs, and for the first time ever both teams did not have a single player who got a MVP vote

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      The AL East still had the highest opening day payroll by division.
      The AL East is still spending, the rest of the league is just closing the gap a bit.
      The biggest difference is primarily in the Dodgers becoming the Yankees and the Yankees becoming something less than the Yankees.

      Opening day payroll by division:
      AL East: $675.2M
      AL Cent: $515.8M
      AL West: $511.0M
      NL East: $557.4M
      NL Cent: $493.6M
      NL West: $674.9M

  • Pete22

    How long before we hear Stanton has a new tax free foundation

  • I talked to Barzini

    Paid for thanks to your new York Yankees’ luxury tax dollars.

  • nycsportzfan

    I couldent help but laugh when I read “worth every penny”.. This guys not even remotely close to worth such a ridiculous deal. And why would anyone give deals like this out anymore? They literally never work out.

    • chris hines

      Alex’s first 250M dollar contract “worked out” from a purely baseball perspective, he was a monster for the entirety of that contract and won 3 or 4 MVP awards and a WS championship with us. It’s the following 275M contract that was never a good idea. Also Jeter’s first 10 year deal absolutely was worth it all the way around as well.

      • Pete22

        Jeters 10 year 189 million dollar deal was actually worth more than Stantons in real dollars. Jeter averaged 4.4 rWAR over the life of his contract, which in todays dollars is worth about 24 million AAV per year. Of course. much of Jeters value was in his defensive position at a time when offense was at its peak while most of Stantons is on the offense side at a time when offense is value more dearly. Deal makes sense for the Marlins as Jeters did for the Yankees

    • rezaKR

      Not remotely? Based on what? He’s historically great already — just turned 25, the last few years of the contract are basically a wash anyways. You’re looking at 5-8 years of peak Giancarlo Stanton.

  • SweetSpot

    I can’t help but be honest and express my absolute disgust with this contract. I love sports and I get the economics but this just struck me as particularly obscene. In a world filled with so many suffering people, including hungry children and vets with no jobs – this kind of over-the-top wealth dispersed to one man for playing baseball is beyond the pale. This world has it’s head up it’s ass.

    • chris hines

      I’d rather someone get this much money per year playing baseball than being a greedy CEO laying off thousands of people while stuffing his and his friends pockets with ridiculous bonuses they don’t deserve. At least he isn’t negatively effecting anyone with this, except maybe the Marlins ability to spend elsewhere. Though even that tends to be a farcical argument considering the Rangers could’ve fielded a competitive team with Arod they just spent the rest of their resources poorly.

    • Rururr_Jururr

      Except that obscene part isn’t how much one player gets paid, it’s how much we as a nation are willing to spend on sports in general. I’m part of the problem, and I’ll bet most of us here are, too.

      I’m certainly not going to get upset by a player making a third of a billion dollars, since it’s not like that money was otherwise destined for anywhere other than the owners’ pockets.

      • RetroRob

        Along those lines, many players who score that much money end up opening a foundation, perhaps for good, perhaps for tax purposes, perhaps a little bit of both. Transferring some of the money from the owners to someone like Stanton probably increases the chances a portion of the money will go to a new foundation.

        • Pete22

          I believe only about 3% of a foundations assets must be spent on charitable things. I once saw the Gates foundation financial report and their tax free investment income on the assets they donated to the foundation or raised (all tax free) was greater than what they actually donated to charitable causes in a given year.

          3% is better than 0% though, but its all subsidized by the tax payers who scream if the government spends it on the same thing, and it costs them a lot more than what gets donated

    • Pete22

      So its better billionaire owners get to keep more of the profits? Fact is the money comes from us consumers who spend it on entertainment rather than donating it to the poor. Any time the government tries to give more to the poor which means higher taxes under this antiquated financial system these same folks kick and scream about guvamint giving their money to those on the dole. Right about the world having its head up its ass.

  • RetroRob

    So the opt-out is after year five, which means he will be a free agent. I’m guessing the no-trade clause will also be included, but it has little relevance. He will be traded before they reach year five. Little downside for the Marlins, unless he suffers a career-ending injury (which insurance will cover) or collapses as a productive player while in his mid to late 20s. History says neither is likely to happen. Both sides win.

    • Pete22

      Doesn’t he also get a NTC?

      • RetroRob

        It’s been reported that both the NTC and opt-out are included. I’m being a bit cynical saying he’ll be traded before he can opt out, but an NTC doesn’t mean a player can’t be traded. He just has to waive it, which we see happen with player’s with NTCs, or 10-and-5 status. It gives the player greater control, and the ability to also ask for an incentive (money) in some cases to waive the NTC. Let’s put it this way. If three-and-a-half years into the contract, and a year-and-a-half before he can trip the opt out, come July 2017, if the Marlins are a bottom-dwelling club, and the Marlins work out a trade to the Los Angeles Dodgers who are in a pennant race, I don’t believe the NTC will prevent a trade. It’s just giving Stanton greater control. He’s in a no-lose situation here. The Marlins are assuming greater risk if his play collapses, but current course and speed, I’m guessing Stanton is a Marlin for only 3 1/2 to five more years.

  • Robert Berberena

    A contract like that is very dangerous in any aspect that should be considered. Only Stanton will be really fine, the Marlins cannot stay competitive if they pay more than 50% of their budget in just one player…This is so ridiculous that I check the calendar to see if it was April 1st…The fools are the Marlins…Let’s see when will they go bankrupt…oh btw how about if Stanton keep getting side effects from such a strong concussion…..Insane contract, to say the least!

    • Pete22

      Budgets can be increased, they are arbitrary creations of the owners. They spend less than 25% of their revenue on payroll, about 1/2 the MLB average. Marlins get 30 million in revenue sharing, and the new TV will give them an additional 25 million per year over the life of the deal.

      Also, he has an opt out in 5 years, so barring injury they likely only will have a 100 million commitment ovr 5 years. They will insure it to the max in case he gets inured and becomes dead wood over the last 8 years