Yankees bats not as explosive against Colby Lewis in a 5-2 loss to the Rangers

Hamels off the board: Cole heading to Rangers
2015 Trade Deadline Open Thread: Thursday
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The Yankees have been winning a lot lately but tonight, they fell quite short. It seemed like they had some offensive momentum going in the second inning by scoring two, but after that, New York got completely shut out by Colby Lewis and the Rangers pen. Masahiro Tanaka didn’t allow any dingers this start but he looked unimpressive overall. But hey – a lot of us had to like what we saw out of the new RHP Caleb Cotham.

  • Two in second: Yankees drew first blood when Carlos Beltran hit a solo homer to lead off the second inning. He battled Lewis in a nine-pitch at-bat and eventually drilled a fastball down the middle over the right field fence. Always good to see the old guy show some sign of life in bat. Yankees did not stop there – with two outs, the red hot Didi Gregorius singled to left. Stephen Drew followed it up with another single and Gregorius advanced to third as soon as he saw that CF Delino DeShields Jr. bobbled the ball. Jacoby Ellsbury then drove Didi in with a grounder up to center for an RBI single. 2-0 Yankees.
  • Get’em next time: Tanaka seemed quite off tonight and it showed in his pitching line: 6.0 IP, 9 H, 4 ER, 3 BB, 3 K. His stuff didn’t seem all that crisp and he missed more spots that he could afford to. But hey, at least he avoided dingers in Globe Life Park! I’m not too worried about Masahiro but it’d be nice to see more consistent brilliance from him. 6 IP 4 ER start is not awful, but New York is paying him like an ace.
  • Cotham for Gotham: In the seventh, RHP Caleb Cotham made his ML debut, relieving Chasen Shreve with one out and runner on first. Cotham was a 5th rounder from Vanderbilt back in 2009 and finally made it to the bigs at age 27. He’s gone through series of injuries that set him back and recently saw sustained success as a reliever so I assume that’s what his long-term niche will be. With the first ML batter he faced, he induced a grounder from Adrian Beltre … that Didi couldn’t come up with, go figure. He struck out Mitch Moreland on three pitches but allowed the runner on second to score when Josh Hamilton lined a slider down the middle to right. Cotham looked brilliant overall though – striking out four in 1.2 IP. His fastball was around 91~94 and the hard slider had that nice bite to it. I’d be in favor of keeping him around to see if he can be another late-inning guy because, frankly, I think he’s got promise based on his stuff, command, and performance down in minors.
  • Leftover: In the sixth, Carlos Beltran recorded one of the weirdest OF assists I’ve seen. Shin-Soo Choo lined a base hit to right and aggressively extended it to double when Beltran was late to get to the ball. However, it turned out that Drew had put a tag on him when Choo put his foot off the bag briefly and the umpires called him out after the instant replay – Beltran earned the assist from a play that he seemingly didn’t put too much effort on! How about that.

Tomorrow, Michael Pineda will try to get a series win for the Yanks against Yovani Gallardo and the Rangers. Here’s tonight’s box score, updated standings, video highlights and WPA.


Source: FanGraphs

Hamels off the board: Cole heading to Rangers
2015 Trade Deadline Open Thread: Thursday
  • Centaur Hips

    Some interesting Tanaka stats:

    2014 line drive %: 24.4%
    2015: 17.2%

    fly ball%
    2014: 29%
    2015: 37%

    14 HR/9: 0.99
    15: 1.54

    14 BABIP: .299
    15: .254

    Change in approach? Biggest change this year has been trading LDs for flies.

    • Tom

      I wonder if the league has caught up to him and he needs to adjust.

      • WhittakerWalt

        He just had terrible command today. Couldn’t throw strikes. Certainly couldn’t throw quality strikes.

  • argenys

    Not worried about tonight. These games happen. I’m expecting a series win and a bounceback performance from Pineda. If he shits the bed again I’d start to have some concern.

  • Deep Thoughts

    Did you say Vanderbilt?

    DAVID PRICE WELCOMING COMMITTEE

    Bring back Antoan Richardson for a ‘Dores reunion.

  • RetroRob

    That was not an enjoyable game.

    Losses happen, but I’d feel much better if they lost with Tanaka pitching a good game. Like Pineda, he’s been uneven.

    • argenys

      even his bad games aren’t horrible. Not to say he hasn’t had his duds but all pitchers have a few a year. Pineda on the other hand needs to learn to work with what he has.

    • cxz

      And I think both he and Pineda’s lack of stability week in and out are only magnifying the calls for Cashman to do something here in the next day to help solidify the rotation, and in a sense, rightfully so. But he’s also got to keep his head about him here, which I don’t think people understand. I’d rather no move at all than an overpay that hurts this team badly down the road.

      • RetroRob

        I don’t want them to sell the farm for a rental. They are in their own form of a rebuild, so trading away the top prospects for 11 starts is not a good idea to me, because then they’ll be in trouble next year. The rental will be gone, and several key prospects will be gone. I suspect Cashman will make a trade. I can live with 2B. Reinforcing the pitching staff is more a necessity.

        • cxz

          I’m pretty much on the same page as you are. I’m open to dealing from the farm, but not dealing the farm, if that makes sense. If Iwakuma is available for example, I’m willing to deal, within reason of course. But the types of hauls that have been brought in on guys like Cueto? Not remotely worth it. I, too, as tough as it is to say, can live with 2B as is. Some combination of Drew/Ryan/Refsnyder is better than getting desperate. If there’s an option that opens up within reason? Go for it, but don’t force the issue, because as you said, pitching reinforcements are the clear need right now.

  • rogue

    Why is Garret Jones still on the roster?

    • BrettGardnerHasALargeForehead

      I’m sure Cashman is at least considering an upgrade as a righty bench guy, but I can’t really think of any fits that can play both OF and 1B.

      • rogue

        Jones started 10 games at 1B. Flores has some experience in Charleston. It seems that the team is wasting too many bats in the minors. Can’t do that when the rotation is substandard.

  • BrettGardnerHasALargeForehead

    Question – if you are Cashman do you ask for an extension window for Price? What does Price ask for?

    • cxz

      At this point, the only real reason to enter the sweepstakes is to drive up the cost. If the Dodgers are serious in their desire, he’s as good as theirs. It doesn’t feel good to look at it like that, but it’s pretty close to true. They’ve just got so many trade chips, and will acquire even more if the 3 team deal goes through that really, nobody can truly knock them out of the running in any deal. Feels weird to be a Yankee fan, yet feel like the playing field isn’t level.

      • rogue

        +1

      • James

        I’m seeing the additions of Latos and Wood as a reason why they won’t trade for Price. Along with Brett Anderson, they now have really good options for starts three and four in the PS.

        Plus Wood is a long-term big league asset in the rotation, something the Dodgers lack past the big two.

        Plus they need to replace J-Roll and Howie Kendrick both long and short term, and have no great SS prospect in the wings. So I’m thinking they are inclined to keep Peraza.

        • cxz

          See, I can see where you’re coming from for sure. And honestly? No, they don’t even remotely need Price, their rotation as is looks really, really good. But they’ve still been calling on Price apparently, and are still considered a front runner for him, and could even flip Wood as a piece of the deal. I hope I’m wrong, but until I hear that they’ve softened their stance, I think it’s just safer to assume they’re in it.

          • James

            Not saying the won’t act irrationally.

            But realistically they need Wood. Rotation for next year is Kershaw, Grienkie and Wood. Can’t count on Ryu coming back from shoulder surgery at all. If they deal Wood, they will have a hell of a time filling two or three rotation spots in FA. (Urias is 19 and has eight starts above a-ball.).

            Realistically they need Peraza. Rollins isn’t getting any younger, and they aren’t that strong at SS prospects. And I can’t see them dealing Urias/Seager for a rental.

            Absent all the above, we can beat the Dodgers in terms of minor talent

            • cxz

              Greinke is a lock to opt-out, so I guess that adds to your point. But they do also have McCarthy coming back as some point, though you can’t count on him either. The problem with the Dodgers is that assuming they hold onto Wood, they easily have pieces beyond Urias and Seager that could land Price, and still have plenty of chips left for the off season. And if they do deal Wood? They have the money to just go sign a guy to replace him, which they’re also likely to do with Greinke’s spot, or use other trade chips they have to replace him with a similar guy. It’s tough, but they have some pretty insane power over the market right now.

        • whileaway

          Seager is just about the best SS prospect in the game.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I see the acquisition of Peraza as reason to get the Tigers to stop asking for the guys they truly don’t want to give up.

          Why anyone, other than the Dodgers, were willing to be involved in that deal is beyond me.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I see the acquisition of Peraza as reason to get the Tigers to stop asking for the guys they truly don’t want to give up.

          Why anyone, other than the Dodgers, were willing to be involved in that deal is beyond me.

      • Pete22

        Yankees have more revenues than the Dodgers and a better farm system. Their big problem is they have more dollars committed to 2016 and beyond than the Dodgers, and Hal wants to get under the LT threshold. To do so he must have his preemie Core 4 be productive cheap MLB players by 2017/2018, and he can’t do that trading them away

        • Sir Didi Nakamura

          Don’t the Dodgers just have a bunch of rich owners within their circle that just spend shit tons of money because they can?

          I’m still hoping for Mark Zuckerberg: Yankees owner 2020.

        • dayanks

          Dodgers have more money and a better farm system…

    • Pete22

      Price will ask for 8/200. Might end up with 7/175, but no less especially for NY with the high taxes. I don’t see Hal agreeing to that. Pitchers are too dangerous, and I think I see a trend where SP’ers are not considered as important to winning, and the money best to be spent on offense and a strong bullpen as RP’ers are relatively cheap.

      Don’t get me wrong, I like Price and think the Yankees can afford him and mitigate the risk with insurance, but it just does not seem to be Hals thing even if he did agree to sign Tanaka. Tanaka has probably given him 2nd thoughts given him getting injured in year 1 and having a sub-par year 2

    • Robinson Tilapia

      You can ask. You’re either not getting it or he’s asking you for much more in order to avoid the open market.

      If I was David Price, buying me off the open market would take you into Kershaw territory.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      You can ask. You’re either not getting it or he’s asking you for much more in order to avoid the open market.

      If I was David Price, buying me off the open market would take you into Kershaw territory.

  • BrettGardnerHasALargeForehead

    Cashman always likes to trade prospects already on, or that require adding, to the 40 man roster. I wouldn’t be surprised to see pieces like Ramon Flores, Mason Williams, and Jose Ramirez be dealt tomorrow.

  • James

    I predict a few small deals will get done. Romine for Ackley makes a lot of sense as the Mariners badly need catcher depth. Maybe a trade for a middle reliever.

    I do think there is an outside shot Sabathia is moving to San Diego on August 1st. They have bad contracts to swap him out for in positions of need for the Yankees, Sabathia would maybe waive his no-trade to go there, the ballpark could make CC an asset, it’d give good PR to the Padres for getting a big name, which they need after their disastrous winter.

    Maybe something centered around Sabathia + prospects for Gyorko and Kimbrel.

    • BrettGardnerHasALargeForehead

      I like the framework regarding CC to San Diego. Gyorko is owed 32M 2016-19 with a 13M team option for 2020 (4/6/9/13/13 option). CC is owed 45M through 2017, unless he had a left shoulder injury, which would turn 2017 into a 5M buyout (25/25(or 5 buyout)).

      If both teams truly think Gyorko and CC are sunk costs this framework makes sense. However, San Diego would need to be convinced that CC can hold up and give them about league average innings.

      Gyorko could for the present time be get the righty side of the platoon with Drew. They can re-evaluate in this offseason. That does make Ryan redundant though, but maybe his nice week makes some team willing to take him (and his 2.5M option for next year).

      I don’t know how the exchange of money and prospects would work from there though.

  • Revan

    Mike called Cotham the poor man’s Joba in 2010. Might even end up as the rich man’s version when all said and done.

  • 461deep

    Tanaka off but not terrible tonight. A lot of trade suggestions here but to be honest I do not see a glaring need for a trade as the team is very well balanced. However, one more good starter would be nice for the playoffs.

    • magikfantasy

      This team is in a great position to win even with guys like Pineda, Tanaka & CC struggling the way they have been. Getting back to the postseason shouldn’t be a problem, staying in the postseason is a much different story. This team lacks a true ace; a guy that has an ERA under 3, throws over 200 innings, a guy you’re comfortable you can win if the season depended on it. If the Yankees truly want a chance to win #28 a David price type of guy isn’t a want, it’s a need. I mean would you match up Tanaka & Pineda against guys like Scherzer & Zimmerman, Carlos Martinez & Lance Lynn, kershaw & greinke?! Granted you shouldn’t sacrifice the entire future for a potential championship but one of the 4 untouchables should at least be in play.

  • Sir Didi Nakamura

    Why do I have to suddenly be afraid of losing the division after 1 game lost and 1 game lost to the Orioles to go down to 6? Hate being so bipolar about baseball sometimes. Always looking over my shoulder to those other teams :/

    Anyway, look towards tomorrow (Today) and win the series. Midsize Mike comes out today to try and regain his Big Mike nickname, and you better believe he’ll redeem himself. Win the series and head to Chicago for another series win against those scrubs. But seriously, please don’t split with the Rangers after winning the first two. WIN!

    • Frittoman626

      It really sucks that the Yankees are playing the White Sox while they’re playing their best baseball, but good news is that the Yanks are also playing at their best. Put down the horses tomorrow, and throw out the the socks that have holes on them during the weekend.

      • Sir Didi Nakamura

        I mean can we even call it playing at their best when it’s the Red Sox? I don’t think we can. (We play Boston after a Monday off-day for 3 games next week and 3 games against the Blue Jays too, all at home. HUGE series, both of them.)

        2 out of 3 is very possible (We miss Sale, he’s pitching later tonight against the Red Sox, so awesome!) I just really want this win tonight… 3 out of 4 would be huge, 2 out of 2 would feel terrible after winning the first two. We don’t draw Hamels tonight, right? We really need this win tonight, would go a long way. I wanted a split at the beginning and it wouldn’t be terrible, but 3 out 4 though.

        • Frittoman626

          No we don’t draw Hamels, but they do draw Gallardo. Tomorrow’s game’s X factor is obviously Pineda. If he can pitch well tomorrow, I trust the Yankee bats can hit off Gallardo. And with the White Sox, the Yankees always seem to struggle against them. I don’t doubt they’ll take 2 of 3.

  • Gregory Eckes

    I thought they would lose tonight simply because of the odds. If they win at least one more game they guarantee themselves a .500 road trip which is the minimum goal

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      6-4 pls

  • dayanks

    Is Tanaka an ace? I don’t think so, but he’s a solid #2. Yanks win and lose games, it happens, we can’t expect 162-0.

    As for the trading deadline, I am glad Cashman’s is standing pat. Let’s be honest, is this a championship team? Very unlikely. Yanks will make it to the postseason, but it won’t end with Stephen Drew holding a trophy above his head. So why go all in for high end rentals? The FA market will be packed, and the Yanks will spend, I have no doubt about it.

    As for my personal opinion, Mike Fiers. Good buy-low candidate, he’ll come cheap, and is a GB pitcher. Right-hander with some flare.

  • Diego Moreddardno

    I thought it was the worst loss of the season, Sung-Min. If Tanaka gets outpitched by the likes of Colby Lewis how is he going to go toe to toe with the Keuchels, the Cuetos and the Hugheses? And now all of the aces are off the trading board because Cashman sat around and did nothing. This team desperately needs an ace and I would give up everything for David Price. If Detroit wants Bird, Judge and Severino so be it. A win tonight and I might have a different outlook but until then I’m panicking.

    • Pkyankfan69

      No no no…All wrong… That was the best loss of the year because it was so bad that it will force the Yankees hand in trading for Price. After a stinker like that they know Tanaka can’t be trusted to be the Yankees #1 in the playoffs. With Price in a Yankee uniform the Yankees are basically guaranteed a World Series title this year.

    • Pkyankfan69

      No no no…All wrong… That was the best loss of the year because it was so bad that it will force the Yankees hand in trading for Price. After a stinker like that they know Tanaka can’t be trusted to be the Yankees #1 in the playoffs. With Price in a Yankee uniform the Yankees are basically guaranteed a World Series title this year.

    • disqus_8E66WIUyso

      Step back from the ledge. Hamels is good. He ain’t koufax. Let’s move on. Develop our own #1. Solves problem.

  • TripleShortOfACycle

    I’m excited for another day of nothing for the Yankees. Friday afternoon can’t come soon enough

  • Monterocouldstillbedinero

    Tanaka was off but our defense sucked (Didi and Bels) and we should do better against Colby.

    • calripyankee

      Didn’t Headley make an error as well??

    • n0exit

      Didn’t watch, but is it the obligatory bad defense game this team plays every now and then?

      • 86w183

        Pretty much. Headley booted a DP ball hit right at him and it went downhill from there.

        • Monterocouldstillbedinero

          Didi booted a dp grounder and Beltran totally sucks as we know. He couldn’t catch a line drive in front of him and he is just terrible with runners on base-although that last part didn’t hurt us.

        • Monterocouldstillbedinero

          Didi booted a dp grounder and Beltran totally sucks as we know. He couldn’t catch a line drive in front of him and he is just terrible with runners on base-although that last part didn’t hurt us.

    • n0exit

      Didn’t watch, but is it the obligatory bad defense game this team plays every now and then?

  • YankeeB

    Can’t win them all. Get them tonight and move on the Chicago.

  • YankeeB

    Can’t win them all. Get them tonight and move on the Chicago.

  • 86w183

    Good morning all —

    Quite the blah game last night. Beltran in RF is just awful, but he did go yard. Tanaka seemingly was behind every hitter and the defense was little to no help. Oh well a series win would be good heading into Chicago.

    Bet Hamels is ticked off. Not many guys want to spend summers in that oppressive heat. I thought Philly did well, and possible great if Harrison returns to form.

    Would be really pumped for David Price, but not at the cost of Severino or Judge…. Not for 10-12 starts.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Six players, including the Rangers’ #2, 3 and 5 prospects.

      If you were to take the numerical equivalents of the Yankee board, plus throw in a recently injured vet, you’d be talking Severino, Mateo, Sanchez, Nova…..and two more guys. Obviously not a perfect comparison in the least, but no “equivalents” are.

      You decide whether you make that trade.

      • 86w183

        I do not. I’m not including Severino in any deal, period. I do not agree that Bird and Mateo should be off limits. My list starts with Severino and ends with Judge.

        • Y’s Guy

          Mateo being ‘off limits’ is crazy imo. If that’s the bar for where we won’t go beyond, then Cash should just turn off his cel phone.

      • 86w183

        I do not. I’m not including Severino in any deal, period. I do not agree that Bird and Mateo should be off limits. My list starts with Severino and ends with Judge.

      • Y’s Guy

        If that would have gotten it done I would have done it.

        • Mustang

          I would not and i wanted Hamels in the worst way, but that too much

          • Y’s Guy

            Yeah, but that package is much better than the one that Philly took because Nova’s not an albatross contract. So it would have meant something more coming back from Philly or one less of what’s on that list.
            But I’d still make that trade.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Oh, I think it is a better package for sure…..and also why the Yankees weren’t willing to give that package up.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Oh, I think it is a better package for sure…..and also why the Yankees weren’t willing to give that package up.

        • Mustang

          I would not and i wanted Hamels in the worst way, but that too much

      • Y’s Guy

        If that would have gotten it done I would have done it.

  • SweetSpot

    I’ve been one of the most adamant about Cashman not dealing our top prospects for high-priced players but I guess everyone has their price. If he can spin Mateo and Bird and a few other secondary but good chips into Price I would be happy. (all bad puns intended) #notojudgeseverino

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’m not giving up Mateo for Price or, at least, I think I’m not. Check back with me later.

      • Austinmac

        I think you should. He may be great or may not be good enough to go past AA. However, the team would have no intention to try to sign Price, then no.

        • Y’s Guy

          Signing Price long-term has zero to do with trading for him at the TD

          • Austinmac

            I disagree. Price wanted to stay with the Rays. He wanted to stay with the Tigers. I think he could and probably would like it on the Yankees and give them a small advantage. I understand ultimately, money talks. If he gets traded,to the Dodgers we will never see him.

            I still don’t think they will spend big until the budget shrinks in a couple of years.

            • Y’s Guy

              I don’t buy for a second that Price, who wants to be allowed to grow his beard and has openly talked about how he wants to play in the NL is going to give the Yankees one dollar off his next contract because he liked his 2 months playing here.
              When you trade for a rental all you get is what’s left on his contract and nothing more.
              Thinking otherwise is a big mistake, imo.

          • Austinmac

            I disagree. Price wanted to stay with the Rays. He wanted to stay with the Tigers. I think he could and probably would like it on the Yankees and give them a small advantage. I understand ultimately, money talks. If he gets traded,to the Dodgers we will never see him.

            I still don’t think they will spend big until the budget shrinks in a couple of years.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I think they’ll have the intention to sign him, but I’ll take the field on where he winds up after this season.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’m not giving up Mateo for Price or, at least, I think I’m not. Check back with me later.

    • Y’s Guy

      I can’t believe anyone would have been so dead set against Hamels and then just go ‘I guess we should get in on Price’. Makes no sense to me giving up top prospects for a rental when you didnt want to give them up for 3 years of a Lefty Ace, but whatevs.

      • Mustang

        Totally agree!!!
        I dont’t get at all

      • SweetSpot

        I don’t disagree with you. I’ve always been a huge Price fan so I’m probably being irrational.

        • Mustang

          You are. If they rejected Mateo for Kimbrel who is sign why on earth would they included him for 3 month rental.
          I’m going to use one of your lines STICK TO THE PLAN!

        • Mustang

          You are. If they rejected Mateo for Kimbrel who is sign why on earth would they included him for 3 month rental.
          I’m going to use one of your lines STICK TO THE PLAN!

      • SweetSpot

        I don’t disagree with you. I’ve always been a huge Price fan so I’m probably being irrational.

      • Austinmac

        I think the last few starts from Tanaka and Pineda have caused major questions whether either will pitch like a no.1 or no. 2. Their stats say they haven’t been.

      • Austinmac

        I think the last few starts from Tanaka and Pineda have caused major questions whether either will pitch like a no.1 or no. 2. Their stats say they haven’t been.

    • Y’s Guy

      I can’t believe anyone would have been so dead set against Hamels and then just go ‘I guess we should get in on Price’. Makes no sense to me giving up top prospects for a rental when you didnt want to give them up for 3 years of a Lefty Ace, but whatevs.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Total comedown game. Whatever. Beat Gallardo and get out of town.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Total comedown game. Whatever. Beat Gallardo and get out of town.

  • Austinmac

    Baltimore has won five in a row. This isn’t over yet. A six game lead at the end of July is far from certainty. I don’t like the recent trend of poor starting pitching. Sitting still is a mistake.

    • Monterocouldstillbedinero

      Totally. Toronto and O’s need to beat each other up to help us.

    • Monterocouldstillbedinero

      Totally. Toronto and O’s need to beat each other up to help us.

  • Austinmac

    Baltimore has won five in a row. This isn’t over yet. A six game lead at the end of July is far from certainty. I don’t like the recent trend of poor starting pitching. Sitting still is a mistake.

  • Y’s Guy

    I’m not a GM and I knew Gomez has been dealing with a hip issue this year. Its hard to believe the Mets went all the way through the trading process on Gomez without knowing about it. Something’s not adding up in this story.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Meet the Mets. Beat the Mets.

      • Y’s Guy

        Oh the Butcher and the Baker and the people on the streets, where did they go-oo? To Beat the Mets!

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Meet the Mets. Beat the Mets.

  • Y’s Guy

    I’m not a GM and I knew Gomez has been dealing with a hip issue this year. Its hard to believe the Mets went all the way through the trading process on Gomez without knowing about it. Something’s not adding up in this story.

  • TheStraw

    I wonder if Detroit would entertain a package of something like Warren, Nova and Sanchez for Price. If they insist on Severino or Judge, it won’t happen.

    • blake

      I think they might….we could find out today

      • Y’s Guy

        If they give up Severino for Price but wouldn’t for Hamels, I’m gonna lose it.

      • Y’s Guy

        If they give up Severino for Price but wouldn’t for Hamels, I’m gonna lose it.

        • blake

          Agreed …..the Rangers did end up giving up a lot for Hamels…..more than was initially reported. The Yanks could have beaten that deal but it would have taken a pretty sizeable chunk of the farm

          • Y’s Guy

            Im upset that they didn’t get Hamels, but I’m willing to accept that the Yankees FO is convinced Severino’s going to be a top of the rotation SP, which makes me happy. But now they have to stick to that assessment. If they don’t then I’d have to conclude that they just weren’t picking up Hamels salary, which would be ridiculous imo.

        • blake

          Agreed …..the Rangers did end up giving up a lot for Hamels…..more than was initially reported. The Yanks could have beaten that deal but it would have taken a pretty sizeable chunk of the farm

        • Robinson Tilapia

          It’d be pretty fucking dumb, but we’ll try to keep you from causing damage to yourself and others.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          It’d be pretty fucking dumb, but we’ll try to keep you from causing damage to yourself and others.

    • blake

      I think they might….we could find out today

    • Austinmac

      It won’t happen. I would be shocked. Let’s hope he goes to the NL.

    • TheStraw

      And if they stand pat, they should Severino his shot now to see if he might be able to contibute in the postseason.

      • Austinmac

        I agree. What they are using now, looks insufficient and I fear wearing down.

    • TheStraw

      And if they stand pat, they should Severino his shot now to see if he might be able to contibute in the postseason.

  • TheStraw

    I wonder if Detroit would entertain a package of something like Warren, Nova and Sanchez for Price. If they insist on Severino or Judge, it won’t happen.

  • blake

    The Yanks lost a game last night….it was bound to happen as you can’t win every day in baseball.

    The concern really isn’t about that…..the biggest concern is the inconsistency at the top of the rotation they are suddenly getting.

    It wouldn’t be unusual if Pineda and Tanaka both are experiencing some fatigue …..neither pitched much last year and both have battled injuries.

    The Yanks need a good pitcher to both add to those two and to back them up in case they falter.

    • 86w183

      It’s a tricky situation because if you add a starter you have to replace a starter. The starter you most want to replace is not likely going to be moved, so then what?

      That’s why I’ve speculated any deal for a starter would have to include Nova. Can’t see the Yanks turning CC into an even more expensive version of Chris Capuano, though they probably should.

      A bad salary swap to send CC out west might be best for all concerned, but it’s hard to find the right fit.

      • blake

        Well I think Nova definitely could be moved…both Sherman and some beat writers have mentioned it……but if not they have to bite the bullet and take CC out…..

      • blake

        Well I think Nova definitely could be moved…both Sherman and some beat writers have mentioned it……but if not they have to bite the bullet and take CC out…..

      • Robinson Tilapia

        To me, the trickier situation is that this is a team that is built on, for the present and future, on the backs of Tanaka and Pineda (and, eventually, Severino) to lead the rotation.

        If, as a fan, you don’t believe thise guys can hold the fort down, you’re not going to have much confidence in them. It almost seems opposite, to me, to then say “go get an elite rental ace.”

        • dickylarue

          I’d have more confidence in them when Pineda isn’t hitting an innings/usage limit situation off of shoulder surgery. I feel like expecting that kid to give us 200 quality innings off of where he was last year is silly.

          And I still don’t think Tanaka is the Tanaka we saw last year and he’s fighting through the obvious injury.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            That would be both a short and long term problem, though, and one I don’t think is fixed by adding a rental, unless the counterargument is “carry us through now, because we’re fucked later.” I don’t agree with that.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        To me, the trickier situation is that this is a team that is built on, for the present and future, on the backs of Tanaka and Pineda (and, eventually, Severino) to lead the rotation.

        If, as a fan, you don’t believe thise guys can hold the fort down, you’re not going to have much confidence in them. It almost seems opposite, to me, to then say “go get an elite rental ace.”

      • Austinmac

        Good luck with having someone want one of the statistically worst starters in baseball while owed tens of millions. Who has a salary that bad?

        • 86w183

          No one guy, perhaps, but Kinsler, Gyorko and Phillips are three really really bad contracts teams would love to get out from under.

          Next year Oakland owes almost $ 23 M to Coco Crisp and Billy Butler. The Giants owe Pagan and Peavey $ 26 M and S.D. has Upton (Melvin), Kemp and Shields.

          There are possibilities.

      • Austinmac

        Good luck with having someone want one of the statistically worst starters in baseball while owed tens of millions. Who has a salary that bad?

    • 86w183

      It’s a tricky situation because if you add a starter you have to replace a starter. The starter you most want to replace is not likely going to be moved, so then what?

      That’s why I’ve speculated any deal for a starter would have to include Nova. Can’t see the Yanks turning CC into an even more expensive version of Chris Capuano, though they probably should.

      A bad salary swap to send CC out west might be best for all concerned, but it’s hard to find the right fit.

    • Austinmac

      That’s what I see happening. Look at their recent outings for proof. Tanaka has never been this ineffective and Pineda has lost his best pitch.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Then Price or Hamels won’t save them this season, if true.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Then Price or Hamels won’t save them this season, if true.

      • 86w183

        I was at the stadium Thursday and Tanaka was outstanding.

    • Austinmac

      That’s what I see happening. Look at their recent outings for proof. Tanaka has never been this ineffective and Pineda has lost his best pitch.

  • blake

    The Yanks lost a game last night….it was bound to happen as you can’t win every day in baseball.

    The concern really isn’t about that…..the biggest concern is the inconsistency at the top of the rotation they are suddenly getting.

    It wouldn’t be unusual if Pineda and Tanaka both are experiencing some fatigue …..neither pitched much last year and both have battled injuries.

    The Yanks need a good pitcher to both add to those two and to back them up in case they falter.

  • Tar

    Last night, whoever the Yankee replay guy is, caught what seemed like a really slight foot off the bag tag. It wasn’t the first time, and it seems like something the players are being made aware of. There is just no hesitation coming from the Yankees on it. By my count that’s at least two outs at 2nd base so far, which is pretty cool. Whoever in charge of replays is doing a great job. Kudos to everybody involved

    • CashmanNinja

      Yeah, they had another one a few weeks ago, but it was *much* closer than the one last night. In the previous one there was the slightest bit of daylight between the foot and the bag…the one tonight was much more obvious.

      • Tar

        Seems like they are looking for it…waiting to pounce. I am willing to bet the Players are being told to keep the tag on, because we are looking at it.

      • Tar

        Seems like they are looking for it…waiting to pounce. I am willing to bet the Players are being told to keep the tag on, because we are looking at it.

  • Tar

    Last night, whoever the Yankee replay guy is, caught what seemed like a really slight foot off the bag tag. It wasn’t the first time, and it seems like something the players are being made aware of. There is just no hesitation coming from the Yankees on it. By my count that’s at least two outs at 2nd base so far, which is pretty cool. Whoever in charge of replays is doing a great job. Kudos to everybody involved

  • TheStraw

    I do think that Warren is a big part of any proposal they make. It may explain why he hasn’t played much lately.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      He’s certainly a forgotten potential chip in all this. Sure.

      • blake

        I would think he’d be pretty attractive to the Tigers ….he could either start or help their pen drastically ….he might close for them to be honest

        • Austinmac

          On the other hand, they see how former Yankee Shane Greene is doing. Honestly, Warren is a 4th or fifth starter. He is a piece, but who is the centerpiece?

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Jose Peraza. ;)

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Jose Peraza. ;)

        • Mustang

          I could live Warren or Nova/Sanchez package, but anymore for a 3 month rental no way.

        • Mustang

          I could live Warren or Nova/Sanchez package, but anymore for a 3 month rental no way.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      He’s certainly a forgotten potential chip in all this. Sure.

    • Austinmac

      He pitched three innings on Tuesday.

  • blake

    If Big Mike shows up today the Yanks can still take 3 of 4 in Texas…..which I’ll take every single time

    • Kibble ‘n vicks

      We got a great a chance. The Rangers lineup can be shutdown. Tanaka just didn’t have anything last night. It happens. Need Pineda to bounce back… not for the result of this game as much as just to get himself back into a good groove that he can hopefully carry into the next series, and the next, and so on. We need him to get HOT.

  • blake

    If Big Mike shows up today the Yanks can still take 3 of 4 in Texas…..which I’ll take every single time

  • Mustang

    If they can get Price without using the “untouchables” by all means do it. If not than stay the course and move on.

  • Mustang

    If they can get Price without using the “untouchables” by all means do it. If not than stay the course and move on.

    • Austinmac

      If you are talking about their four untouchables, tell Cashamn to spend his time on something that could remotely happen. Get on the phone and refuse to hang up with the Padres.

      • Mustang

        Agree. I would of done Mateo for Kimbrel

      • Mustang

        I have a feeling Cashman going to find away to get Ross and Kimbrel and the “untouchable” will be touched.
        LOL

  • Austinmac

    I hope for Leake, Iwakuma or one of the Padres pitchers. I don’t think they will move the guys it will take to get Price nor will they try to sign him for the next 7-8 years. I understand that, but I won’t understand if they move forward without getting a starter. Are the rest of our chips not too desired?

  • blake

    If the Yanks offered Nova, Warren , and Sanchez for Price it might get him…..that’s a lot to pay but I think those are replaceable pieces for the Yanks. Tough call…..the Dodgers or whoever could beat it….but they don’t have 2 pitchers to offer that could immediately go into either the Detroit rotation or pen

    • Mustang

      Too much Nova or Warren not both.

    • Mustang

      Too much Nova or Warren not both.

    • Mustang

      Change!
      I probably would do it, but it would hurt…LOL

    • Mustang

      Change!
      I probably would do it, but it would hurt…LOL

    • Tar

      I wouldn’t do it, I have watched the Yankees pound Price more than once. Take Nova out for sure, than I would think about it.

      • Mustang

        Agree.
        Maybe its because we seen him get pounded by Yankees, but I don’t get this crazy love for Price.

        • blake

          I’d be scared I a big deal with him…..but right now he’s perfect for the Yankees

      • Sir Didi Nakamura

        I don’t see why Nova would make you say no to it… 1 more season of him and I he’s not that incredible. Not extremely hard to replace.

        • Tar

          I like Nova a lot, think he has the ability to step up big time in big games. The Yankees are going to need his innings next year as well.

          • blake

            Nova is a FA after next year

            • Tar

              After…we need his innings next year

    • CashmanNinja

      Eh…keep in mind Price is only for a few months and then (if we keep him) it’d cost a HUGE contract to entice him to stay. I wouldn’t give Nova and Warren. I’d give Nova because I think Warren is more valuable to us. So headline it with Nova and Sanchez and then some fillers. I could see something like Ramon Flores enticing them, too.

      • blake

        Yea I get that….I think Mitchell could basically be Warren though going forward

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      That’s a lot to give up for 2 months of Price.
      Basically an upgrade of Price over Warren + the loss of a valuable BP piece.
      I’d say no to that one.

      • blake

        Big upgrade in the rotation and either Mitchell or Severino could replace Wareen in the pen

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          Warren is more valuable than Nova.
          He could go back into the rotation and is a backbone of the pen.
          I wouldn’t give him up so easily.

  • Kibble ‘n vicks

    You know, the more I think about it, I don’t think the Dodgers are going to end up going after Price. They already have 3 potential starters hitting free agency in Grienkie, Latos, and Anderson. Price would be the fourth. Not that they couldn’t re-sign these guys, but why would you even do that to yourself? Wood is a really good pitcher, tons of potential, and they have him locked up for a few years on the cheap. Why trade that, or Peraza, or any other prospects for that matter when you already have a pretty dynamite rotation that you’re going to have to make sure you re-sign in the off-season. Price would be great for them, but it would be overkill, and it would put them in a situation where they would need to address their entire rotation outside of Kershaw in the off season.

    • Y’s Guy

      The Dodgers ownership decided that any price is not too much to pay to get a Championship (how long has it been?) And if they don’t do it this year, they’ll just gear up and up the ante next year (with a different manager most likelly)

      • Kibble ‘n vicks

        The thing is, even though they are spending tons of money.. They already have two top five prospects in baseball, they just landed a very talented, young, cost controlled pitcher, and they netted another solid prospect in Peraza. I mean… Kudos to them. They might outspend people, but they are using their brains too. That was a phenomenal trade on their part.

        • Y’s Guy

          Is that trade done?

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        Buying a Title isn’t easy.

        • Y’s Guy

          Just ask….well… us!

          • 86w183

            No one has ever bought a title, ever. Payroll can be $ 300 M, you still gotta go play.

          • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

            You can buy all you want.
            Some would say they had enouigh last year with Kershaw and Grienke up top.
            Even with Price they are not a lock.

            • Y’s Guy

              I’m not the one who said the Dodgers were buying a title.

        • Austinmac

          We can, if we don’t add, then talk about all the other teams wasting money and prospects and how smart we are. It will make us feel better.

          Money guarantees nothing, but spending more than others was a central factor in Yankees success since 1920.

          • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

            At this point if they don’t get Price it looks pretty safe they are keeping their prospects. I find that refreshing. I’d like to see what they can do. If they don’t win this year, life will go on.

          • 86w183

            True, but the Yanks also outspent just about everyone 1982-1994 as well as 2001-2013 and didn’t get a whole lot of trophies to show for it.

        • Monterocouldstillbedinero

          You can’t buy chemistry. We have Brendan Ryan.

      • 86w183

        Haven’t been to the World Series since Kirk Gibson’s epic HR in 1988.

      • Tony Wilson

        Since ’87 or 88′. Long time for Dodgers and their fans.

  • Ewing33

    I think constantly pushing tanaka back is messing with his rhythm. I think the way the Yanks have handled the rotation from the get go has kinda messed with all their routines. I know they are doing these things to keep guys healthy, but by the final two months of the season it is time to take the training wheels off and let these guys pitch on normal rest imo

    • 86w183

      Five or more days rest is more “normal” for Tanaka than four days rest.

      • Ewing33

        Yea but the routine in Japan is still very different than what the yanks are doing. Yanks aren’t following japan’s method. They are kinda pioneering this new “method” although not completely out of nowhere.

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      It was over 100 degrees out there.

      • Monterocouldstillbedinero

        He wasn’t dominant but it was basically a 3-2 game until Didi drops a sure dp ball. 21 runs the night before. We were bound to not hit last night.

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          This place will be in panic mode if the lead goes down to 5 tonite.

          • Monterocouldstillbedinero

            It is/was wishful thinking to think we can run away with the AL east. What if Gardy/Alex or Tex were to go down? It can happen. They’ve all missed plenty of time in other seasons. Weiters and Tulo will keep things very tight.

            And oh-get ready for Melky to stick it to us this weekend.

            • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

              We need the comfort of home which we be getting a lot of after this weekend.

    • Y’s Guy

      Tanaka has pitched more on 5 or more days rest with the Yankees than on 4 days rest.

      • Ewing33

        True, but I still think the on the fly, scattershot approach to more rest has effected our rotation in a negative way. Might be for the best because staying healthy is most important. But still.

        • Basil

          5 days, 4 day–whatever days: he’s still not the pitcher he was April-May-June last season. He’s certainly not bad, but he’s far too inconsistent and prone to the HR to be the “Ace” he appeared to be last season, before the injury. Is this inconsistency and occasional tendency to labor on the mound due to elbow pain? to protecting the elbow? to 4 day rests (unlike Japan)? or to the league’s deployment of new tactics against him? Beats me. But he and Pineda are unlikely to provide the dynamite starting necessary to get the Yankees far in October, when rivals’ pitching works effectively against the Yankees’ hitting (as they have done in the past).

          • Ewing33

            I think you can look to Katie’s article yesterday to show he isn’t far off from being a true ace. He had been extremely homer prone, but yesterday he didn’t give up any homers. That start was kinda an aberration for Tanaka. I just think the Yanks have to let him get into a rhythm and pitch and if his arm falls off, then it is time. Stop with the spot starts.

            • Tom

              He really battled out there last night even though he wasn’t at his best.

  • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

    The Dodgers get Latos, Morse, Wood, Johnson and Peraza while basically only giving up a 30 year old 2b with 0 career AB’s and bum elbow and taking on $15 mil in salary. They got the best MLB talent and the best prospect in the deal, nice work.

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      That was great for them

      • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

        I just don’t understand what the Braves and Marlins are thinking other than “HOLY SHIT, WE HAVE TO SAVE MONEY”

        To all you jackholes that call Hal cheap – this is what cheap is you dumb bastards.

    • Mustang

      WOW!

    • Monterocouldstillbedinero

      And the Angels get 2 needed outfielders (DeJesus and Murphy) who batted leadoff and 4th last night. They didn’t win but still-impressive pickups for their needs.

    • Austinmac

      They will spend money. It makes a difference.

  • Kibble ‘n vicks

    I still don’t get why John Hart made that trade. His entire MO since he became the braves GM was to trade for young, cost controlled, pitching, and to stack his farm. Then after all the nice moves he has made, he decided to trade a young talented pitcher, and one of their best prospects for a 30 year old who has never played in MLB.

    • Austinmac

      To try to win in 2017 when their stadium opens.

      • Kibble ‘n vicks

        We will see how it all plays out.. maybe their scouting team is really high on Olivera. But on the surface, it makes no sense to me. But then again, that’s why I’m sitting at home on a blog, and not in the front office somewhere.

      • blake

        Bingo

    • Y’s Guy

      Not a Hart fan, doesn’t surprise me.

  • Mustang

    Someone explain the Dodger deal to me. I swear if it was the Yankees who pulled that off the league would be investigating.

    • blake

      I’m not wild about it for the Braves

      • Y’s Guy

        Is it done?

        • Mustang

          Yes

        • blake

          Yea …,don’t get swapping 20 year old Peraza for 30 year old oliveria …..if they weren’t both essentially prospects it would be different

          • Mustang

            Just wow!

          • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

            but they get Paco Rodriguez too!!!!!1

          • Kibble ‘n vicks

            And Wood.

      • Mustang

        It was robbery pure and simple

        • Austinmac

          Similar to what the Yankees did for a long time. I remember getting Maris mostly as the result of money. Now, we would need money back on deals.

        • blake

          If you’ll spend money it opens up lots of opportunities

          • Mustang

            Yes I remember the Yankees being able to do that once.

            • blake

              Once upon a time

      • Yankee Trader

        A while back you were interested in Wood for the Yankees.

        From the Philadelphia Inquirer one writer that believed Cole Hamels didn’t need to go

        http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20150730_Cole_Hamels_has_years_of_strong_play_ahead_of_him__didn_t_need_to_go.html

        • blake

          That was Minor and awhile ago ;)

      • MTU

        Looks like crap for the Braves.

        • Yankee Trader

          Meanwhile, more Braves news.

          The Braves said an MRI revealed a posterior bone spur on pitcher Manny Banuelos’ left elbow.

          The Braves placed Banuelos on the 15-day disabled list Wednesday after he felt discomfort in his throwing elbow following his start at St. Louis on Friday. The team announced no timetable for when Banuelos would be able to throw again.

          “We’ll shut him down and let that thing calm down a bit before we move forward,” Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez said.

          • 86w183

            Surgery coming. Bone spurs have to be shaved down.

  • Austinmac

    How about, adding Diego Moreno is like making a big trade? Don’t I feel better.

  • blake

    @BNightengale: The #Dodgers are paying Hector Olivera’s entire bonus, meaning #Braves only on hook for $31.25 M over next 5 seasons, per @DOBrienAJC

    • Austinmac

      Use of money to make deals. Do we have money space in the budget to do that?

      • blake

        Nope

        • Y’s Guy

          Diving into a pile of coins can’t feel good no matter if they are solid gold…

  • Kibble ‘n vicks

    Man… yesterday was crazy as hell. Can today top it?

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      The Met non -trade stole the thunder of the Hamels deal.

      • Kibble ‘n vicks

        pretty epic

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          Nobody’s talking about Hamels.
          He could face us tonite.

          • Kibble ‘n vicks

            Yea it’s possible. Where did they play last night? I’m sure he could make it in time.. but that’s a call the rangers will have to make.

            • MikhelB

              Phillies were in Toronto getting smacked around by Tulo and company. I doubt he could make the start, but hey, crazy things have happened before like that time the Padres sent Mirabelli back to the Red Sox urgently because they needed him to catch Wakefield against the Yankees that same evening.

      • MikhelB

        Reminded me a bit of the time the Brewers sent damaged goods to the Yankees in Pat Listach and Ricky Bones (1996). In the end the Yankees kept them but from what i can remember there was a rumor they were considering filing a grievance with MLB… bad thing: Selig still owned the Brewers.

        That time Listach I think did not even get to play and was returned to the Brewers once the season was over, they received Gerald and Wickman who later set a record for saves for them (lifetime record) but “we” also got Graeme Lloyd (Shreve’s curveballs remind me a bit of Lloyd’s) who was the centerpiece of the trade, and after a week the Yankees got Ricky Bones and another infielder to ‘replace’ Listach who was injuried and had to be placed in the DL.

        But come to think about it, had not been for Listach’s injury maybe they would not have promoted Sojo from the minor leagues after they selected him off waivers a day before the Listach trade, and maybe they would not have traded for Hayes to play for them a second time around to give Boggs some time out (I had seen Listach play all around the IF with Mazatlán a few years before that in the Mexican Pacific winter League so he could have been the replacement).

  • joeman

    again….Cashman very seldom does big ticket trades at the trade deadline

    • MikhelB

      Asking price is usually very high for the Yankees whenever I read something about BIG name players. True or not, there has to be some middle point to it, I think.

      • joeman

        very true…….and George isn’t around anymore

        • MikhelB

          Yes, for better or for worse… while he managed to get big names, he also more often than not managed to stripe the minors off very good talent like Snow and McGriff for example.

  • Kibble ‘n vicks

    I do hate how the trade deadline turns me into a greedy asshole. I can’t wait for it to pass, so I can go back to just focusing on the games at hand.

  • Mustang

    I remember when Yankees got A-rod Selig was all over it checking the trade over where is the league on the Dodgers?

    • Basil

      Selig did not like the Yankees at all. Is it true that he was seen on Saturday, carryihg a chemistry set, and trying to force his way into the Yankees’ clubhouse after the game?

    • Y’s Guy

      Im pretty sure it was the MLBPA that nixed the deal.

  • MTU

    Price is still out there.

    • joeman

      he’s not coming here although that would be a great add..

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        where do you get your info?

        • Austinmac

          From reality. No Judge or Severino, no deal. It seems pretty obvious those are our valued chips.

          • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

            You sound ready to blow up the farm.
            We know you are old school killer Yankee fan but
            Hal wants to try something a little different.
            Is that OK with you?

      • MTU

        It would be.

    • Austinmac

      For whom? A team would probably have to offer at least as much as was given for Cueto.

    • Yankee Trader

      As a rental, would the Tigers take Nova, one more year from FA plus some minor league players, not the Fab Four, for a few months of Price.

      I’m Dombrowski. Make me a deal!

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Nova, Warren, Sanchez, and OF surplus. That’s my deal. They could do better.

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          So Price replaces Nova and Warren leaves the pen.
          Price is gone in 2 months.
          Bad deal.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            There’s a…….price to pay somewhere.

            Tip your waitress.

  • Kibble ‘n vicks

    wow so Hamels used his no trade clause in a deal that would have sent him to Houston? I missed that.

    • blake

      Yea…..which is weird to me considering its in the same state he’s going to ….and it’s a better team . He didn’t have a choice with the Rangers ….but he had to know it was a possibility

      • MTU

        His wife is from Texas.

        • blake

          So why didn’t he want to go to houston? They are better with a better future than the Rangers

          • MTU

            Maybe she is from the Dallas area ?

      • Y’s Guy

        I think Hamels thought like many of us that it was going to be the Dodgers or Yankees. If you could give him truth serum I think he’d tell you he did not want to end up on the Rangers.

        • blake

          Maybe so….I wouldn’t want to go there

          • Y’s Guy

            Just a mess of an organization, and unless they are going to spend like the Dodgers to cover up thier mistakes, Hamels is going to spend the rest of his prime wasting his talent on a lousy team. He coulda just stayed in Philly and done that (not that he had that choice)

        • joeman

          his wife didn’t want him to play for the NYY

          • blake

            He didn’t have a choice

          • Y’s Guy

            I never heard that, but he left the Yankees off his ntc list so I have to believe he was open to coming. Agents always tell players to put the Yankees on the list but he didn’t.

        • joeman

          Mrs Lee is her BFF

    • Yankee Trader

      Houston was on his no trade list, made before the Astros became good, and I believe the Phillies did not want to go back to Hamels to OK teams on his no trade list, wasting time, although it seems they must have in this case. Maybe we’ll learn the real truth.

  • joeman

    you would think during the summer in the heat and playing a game every night a player would drop some lbs …Pablo Sandoval looks like he’s going to blow up

    • CashmanNinja

      He seems to be getting bigger. When your manager basically calls you a fatass to the media then you know you have a problem. The guy couldn’t score on an easy to score play…and then had to get taken out because of dehydration. I know Headley’s defense has been shaky and his offense was dormant in the first half, but I’d take him over Panda any day of the week.

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        Do you think the Giants would take him back?

        • Kibble ‘n vicks

          Nope.

        • joeman

          Giants are a smart organization …no way

  • blake

    Talking heads all think Price will be a dodger

    • Mustang

      Probably the way they are going

      • Y’s Guy

        I assume the Marlins/Braves/Dodgers trade was all about getting the pieces to get Price. Can’t see it not happening now.

        • blake

          Seems that way….but Detroit still will take the best deal

    • 86w183

      Maybe they’ll use a seven man rotation…. or Wood wil be part of the package and maybe another guy. How about Wood, Bolsinger and Peraza for Price?

      Gotta run, have a day folks!

      • blake

        Yup….

      • WT2

        Yup that is exactly what they are doing. Price will be a Dodger sooner or later.

        To be honest I really don’t mind as long as he is doing it in the NL.

        With all that said it is not like we should be afraid of him. The Yankees seems to have figured him out over a year ago and had been using him for batting practice.

        We were never in the Price sweepstakes. If I have to guess Cash is just trying to put a ridiculous BP and “maybe” get Prado or a RH 2B and go to war. I’ll be more than ok with that honestly.

    • Yankee Trader

      Didn’t they already fill their starting rotation? To Toronto!

      • Austinmac

        Their crazy management thinks adding high end pitchers is a good plan.

    • Austinmac

      It it not going to be us. We need to look at Ross or Cashner.

      • Mustang

        Exactly!!

      • Kibble ‘n vicks

        throw in Kimbrel! : )

      • Yankee Trader

        I was all for Ross. He had improved his walk rate, and had pitched best away from Petco, with only 8 homers total allowed. Last night he walked four in 5 innings, gave up a homer in a win against the Mets.

        I don’t know who to root for now if Price goes elsewhere.

  • Y’s Guy

    Serverino + Sanchez + to Texas for Hamels.

  • Mustang

    Cardinals Agree To $1 Billion Television Contract

    The parking lot is getting crowed

    • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

      Then aquire Brandon Moss!!

      First division franchise doing first division franchise things.

  • Kibble ‘n vicks

    well, looking at the positive side, just think about this… the phillies won the world series in 2008, with Hamels, Brett Myers, Moyer, but couldn’t win the world series with Hamels, Lee and Halladay. Just goes to show that October is a crap-shoot.

  • Y’s Guy

    There was a disturbance in The Force….

  • Hankflorida

    Drew got two hits last night, and I am hoping that if his bat only sees right handed pitching, he can hit around .250 for the rest of the season and hit another 10 or more four baggers. I went many years watching the Yankees win with light hitting players at 2nd between between Joe Gordon and Robbie Cano, so a Drew and Ryan platoon isnt that bad when you consider their gloves.

    • Monterocouldstillbedinero

      The ghost of Horace Clark….wait, he’s still alive.

    • MikhelB

      While Willie was not a homerun hitter I would not call him a light hitter, one of the best fielding 2B for his sure hands, quickness to turn the double play, a strong arm, a true on the field manager in some ways, and above all: he still had a respectable 0.275 AVG / 0.374 OBP / 0.731 OPS lifetime with the Yankees, specially during those years when batting above 0.260 was almost a feat..

      If Drew could put up a 0.370 OBP I would not mind him batting 0.190 AVG, but let’s face it, the distance betweent hat 0.190 and 0.250 is the same as from a 0.310 AVG hitter and a below average 0.250 AVG hitter… and right now he is at 0.265 OBP, the guy can not even get on base with a walk.

  • blake

    @BNightengale: MLB executives are absolutely convinced #Tigers David Price will wind up with the #Dodgers, who likely will have to part with Urias.

    That won’t happen….the Urias part anyway

    • Ewing33

      After all the BS Hamels went to the Rangers. These guys have to just stop lying and/or printing lies. (not to say Price to Dodgers won’t happen.)

    • Kibble ‘n vicks

      They are just as convinced as us. No real hard evidence. When it’s all said and done, I’d bet they will get price.

    • MikhelB

      I am not so sure, IF i were to call the shots then NOT, not after all the care they have taken to ensure their investment is well rested and everything; Julio insisted on playing in winter ball for his hometown team but got a big NO for a couple of years now, there was an interview with him on the radio (well, internet radio) where he said the Dodgers were not convinced that pitching during the winter would do any good for him.

      And really, Urias is waaay too high a price for a rental, UNLESS Price agrees to sign an extension..

      • blake

        I don’t see it

        • MikhelB

          Neither I, but there’s still a full day until the trade deadline expires.

  • joeman

    I would like to see a Big Game & Kinsler add

  • MikhelB

    Was it Beltrán who also had that assist in the OF in the Yanks at Anaheim game a few weeks ago? YES I call them Anaheim because they play in that county hahaha u_u

    • Y’s Guy

      Orange County, not Anaheim County.

  • joeman

    Mets looking for a bat….Yankees should trade them Beltran for nothing & eat some money

  • Yankee Trader

    Got to go.

    Will the Yankees add payroll-Kinsler, Kimbrel, Chapman?
    Will the WS trade FA Samardzija for Nova, a FA after 2016, plus Sanchez?
    Will it be Leake, Ross, Quintana, Cashner.
    Will the Yankees bring back Prado?
    Maybe for a price-Price?

    Will we be happy campers today?

    Have a great day!

    • joeman

      just get Shields in a NYY uniform & Dee Gordon

      • Monterocouldstillbedinero

        Dee Gordon is #1 on my wish list…just ahead of J. Montero.

        • joeman

          there you go

      • MikhelB

        I would like Shields+Cueto. Dee would be very very good but with Drew as bad as he is, almost anybody good with the glove would be an upgrade.

  • Mustang

    Cashman has until tomorrow so am going to wait and see.

    Still think nothing going to happen,

    • Robinson Tilapia

      It’s possible nothing major happens. You’ve now watched Cashman in action for almost two decades. This is not the type of market he wants to play in.

      I do think something does happen, though, just not something overtly sexy.

      • Mustang

        You’re right, but can Cashamn be sexy just once.
        LOL

        • Gregory Eckes

          Ask his wife

          • Mustang

            Or his Mistress

        • Robinson Tilapia

          What’s sexy for you may not be sexy for me.

        • Ewing33

          He did and it ended up getting him blackmailed.

          • MikhelB

            hahahaha touchè

        • MikhelB

          Thank you SOOO much! I was about to get breakfast!!! :P

    • Monterocouldstillbedinero

      I agree with this. Would love to see Severino come up this year if we do nothing. We do not have enough starting pitching from within but we do have enough bullpen.

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        It takes more gumption to stand pat with the youngsters than to trade them away. Hal looks to be doing it his way.

    • Ewing33

      A lot of these trades so far have been about taking lots of money back in return, which Cashman doesn’t even necessarily have a say in.

  • Monterocouldstillbedinero

    After a bad night compared to the night before I will console myself with the Sawx continuing to lose.

  • blake

    I think they are gonna get a starter…..just might not be the one we want

    • joeman

      Shields or Leake

      • blake

        I could get down with Shields if it’s a salary dump….but obviously Hal won’t do that

        • Robinson Tilapia

          There must be a lot of Hals in baseball, then, since I don’t think most teams in baseball take that on as is.

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        CC is blocking them.
        Nova would have to go.

        • MikhelB

          Nova+CC for… nah, I don’t think somebody would bite, for it to happen the Yankees would have to get at least one pitcher in return.

        • joeman

          Nova could go its a upgrade

  • Gregory Eckes

    Out of all the trades that have been done, the one that makes me go ugh is the Kazmir deal. All the others I think Cashman has passed correctly given cost

    • MikhelB

      And he could have picked Frasor… there has to be a good reason to let him pass (maybe a similar reason as to when they cut Thornton last year).

      • Gregory Eckes

        But TBH we know who Frasor is. The Blue Jays let him go. That says alot

    • blake

      That did seem like a good value ….I really wanted Hamels but the Rangers did pay a lot

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I could get behind that.

  • Chip

    Random Thoughts:

    1. Yes, the Yankees could have matched what the Rangers gave up for Cole Hamels but it would have been stupid to do so. You’re talking Severino, Sanchez, Bird and probably Mateo to match that deal. Good haul for the Phillies, Rangers are putting all their eggs in a Hamels/Darvish rotation and congratulate themselves for keeping Joey Gallo.

    2. John Hart just delivered David Price to the Dodgers for an injured 30 year old rookie and a draft pick.

    3. The Red Sox are so bad that beating up on them convinced the White Sox that they are relevant and so that will take Shark off the market.

    4. What the hell are the Mets doing? Seriously, was last night all about them making a show of a move just so that they could back out and blame the medicals rather than having to actually take on salary?

    5. I feel like the Yankees are going to make a big move that none of us saw coming.

    • Gregory Eckes

      What is 2 about

      • Chip

        The Dodgers want Price.
        They don’t want to give up Seager to get Price.
        Now they can offer the Tigers an established, cost controlled 24 year old LHP (Wood) and a very good MINF prospect (Peraza) to Detroit instead.

        • Gregory Eckes

          Would that be enough?

          • Chip

            Even if it isn’t (by itself) the Dodgers can add other pieces without having to use Seager or Urias.

            They could also offer something like Wood, Peraza and Kendrick for Price and Kinsler and save the Dodgers some money.

            • whileaway

              Wood , SP prospect and one other prospect. Price and Kendrick are FA to be. No reason to trade for Kinsler

              • Chip

                Three things could happen:

                1. Detroit can say that they’re not budging unless Seager is included (at which point the Dodgers might say “fine but you have to take Carl Crawford back too” much like the Rangers did with Matt Harrison last night)
                2. Detroit can say that they are fine with a lesser package but that the Dodgers have to take back the Kinsler contract (in which case you include Kendrick because you can only play so many 2b and he offsets a little of the money you’re taking back this year)
                3. It can be a straight up deal for Wood, Peraza and the Dodgers can fill in around those two without touching Seager or Urias.

                Either way, last night’s deal makes it very hard to beat the Dodgers if they want Price.

                • whileaway

                  Seager is not going anywhere. Peraza maybe unless they prefer him over resigning Kendrick next year.
                  Dodgers can flip Wood and a couple of very good prospects not named Urias or Seager.

                • Tom_hamsandwich

                  Last night did not help the Yankees chances of holding on to their untouchables and getting an ace.

        • blake

          Yanks can still beat that if they want to……

          • Chip

            Sure – Eovaldi and Judge plus a little more.

      • whileaway

        he seems to be suggesting Olivera is an injured player.

        • Chip

          It’s not so much a suggestion as it is a statement. He’s on the DL with a hamstring issue.

          • whileaway

            soon to come off the DL

    • Mustang

      5 is not happening, but you can dream

      • Greggreen

        5 happens all the time though. We usually never know when a move is coming

    • blake

      1. When the initial report came out I was pissed because it seemed easily beatable by the yanks….but in the end yea the Rangers paid pretty big. They kept their top 2 guys…..but really kinda gutted their top 10 depth.
      2. It sure seems like that was the end game thinking on the Dodgers end……however….the Tigers will take the best deal on the table
      3.they are dreadful and yea…..it’s made the Chisox probably hold
      4. Yup
      5. I have felt that way…..but I jus don’t know. Lettuce hope

      • Chip

        “Lettuce hope” is that your way of saying you think the Yankees get Neil Walker and Gerritt Cole for Austin “Romaine”?

        The Rangers deal sets them up to be the Phillies…they’re going to have limited maneuverability with Hamels, Darvish, Andrus, Fielder, Beltre and Choo. Still no bullpen to speak of and very little in the way of organizational depth. And that’s a best case scenario. Worst case is that Darvish isn’t the same when he comes back and that Pofar also doesn’t make it back.

        • blake

          I think it was dumb for the rangers…..I get that next year they should have a good 1/2 punch. I just don’t like trading that much for a guy for “next year”……I think you need to be in it now to warrant it

          • Deep Thoughts

            I think they feel, “Screw it, after the Hamilton deal we’re playing with house money.”

    • BigDavey88

      5. Today in pipedeams: King Felix

  • blake

    If the yanks could get Upton for 50 c on the dollar I wouldn’t be opposed …..

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      where would he play?

      • Greggreen

        right field everyday with beltran on the bench and jones or ryan DFAd

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          But that would be proactive..

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          That Choo double to shallow RF, where he was called out for coming off the base, might have been the last straw for Joe.

      • blake

        RF ….and I don’t care about Beltran

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Mick plays Beltran card in 3…2…

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          Beltran is blocking him or should I say Arod is blocking Beltran.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      It took me about 30 seconds to realize you didn’t mean Melvin.

      • blake

        It took that long?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Seriously. Mornings.

    • Mustang

      The Padres are such a good fit for the Yankees to trade with.
      If the Yankees would take on money they could go Ross/Kimbreal/Gyorko and maybe lose just one of the untouchable not name judge or Luis.

      • Mustang

        With luxury tax that about 105MMish
        LOL
        I have a better chance of hitting Miller than of Hal saying yes to that.
        LOL

      • blake

        I’m not sure they’ll take on money

        • Mustang

          I’m sure they will not take on the money.
          LOL
          Not happening

  • joeman

    let me see if I can get Big Game to the NYY rumors started on twitter….

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’ll write the tweet for you.

      “I want Yanks 2 get backloaded, expensive, declining P from SD.”

      Way under 140 characters.

      • joeman

        A new document released this month paints a grim picture in response to a massive solar event that could bring down planes and cause utter chaos.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          In that case, trade the farm for Price!

          • joeman

            if it starts getting light at night time watch out

            • Robinson Tilapia

              So trade the farm for Price only in Iceland?

              • joeman

                how could it be 72 in PA & 83 in CT this morning..why such a big temp difference

        • Y’s Guy

          LIke the Millenium Bug did?

          • joeman

            yea whats up with that

    • Y’s Guy

      Wow! Check it out! Someone named joeman is claiming on RAB that he’s claiming on twitter that Price to the Yankees is a done deal!
      …so it MUST BE a done deal!!!

  • Kibble ‘n vicks

    Time for bed… still hoping i’ll wake up to a ESPN, MLB, Bleacher Report Team stream notification that the Yankees have made a trade.

    • Wkamm

      Wow! You can sleep? I won’t sleep until August 1st. Except for 8 hours each night.

      • Kibble ‘n vicks

        I wouldn’t trade my sleep for David Price.

        • Y’s Guy

          I would totally trade your sleep for David Price…

  • blake

    @pgammo: Hamels deal, with Darvish, similar to Schilling in 2000 w/ Johnson in 2001. Obviously, Johnson-Schilling more dominant, but this costs

    Yea totally the same except for the part about Randy and Curt being A LOT better

    • MTU

      Too funny. Must have forgotten his meds again.

    • whileaway

      Gammons grades about a 10 for senility

    • Chip

      and both being healthy.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Exactly. Suddenly, Darvish comes back next year throwing bullets from day one?

        • Kibble ‘n vicks

          don’t YU.. JUDGE.

    • Tom_hamsandwich

      Hamels and Darvish? When I hear that I think that they match quite favorably to Randy Johnson…..and Curt Schilling.
      Hamels and Darvish? I think one of the most dominant lefties of all time and one of the most clutch performers of our era. 1st Ballot HOFer and very close boarder line HOFer.

  • Kibble ‘n vicks

    wow… the Cardinals traded for a poor mans chris young, and gave up their 3rd or 4th best prospect depending on who you go by, and 88th overall prospect according to MLB, for Brandon Moss. Desperate times, man.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Jesus on a popsicle stick.

    • calripyankee

      They could ve had Beltran for a lot less..

      • whileaway

        or Garrett

        • Chip

          Or Chris Young.

        • calripyankee

          Except I dont necessarily want to get rid of Jones or Young..

          • whileaway

            I like Young want NY to hold on to him

    • whileaway

      that one kinda surprised me.

    • Y’s Guy

      didnt they just lose Holiday? But Moss is a stiff these days.

      • Kibble ‘n vicks

        a top 100 prospect for Brandon Moss… OUCH.

        • Y’s Guy

          Moss has been terrible since the AS break last year. 94 wRC+ on the year and slumping through July…horrible trade imo.

          • Kibble ‘n vicks

            Cardinals fan are pretty pissed…. see it as a desperate move. Plus they already have Mark Reynolds.. so they basically gave up a top prospect for a Reynolds Clone. They must really think Holliday is going to be out for a good while.

            • Y’s Guy

              It’s hard to question the Cards personel moves but this one’s a head scratcher to me.

              • MTU

                Hart’s latest moves are just as puzzling.

                • Y’s Guy

                  Hart’s moves never make sense to me. Not a fan.

              • Monterocouldstillbedinero

                Moss could catch fire in St Louis. They always seem to find/reclaim bats. David Freise anyone?

                • Y’s Guy

                  Sure, theoretically he could catch fire, but he’s been steadily declining since the All Star break last year with a sub .600 OPS since. And he’s coming off a miserable July .177/.235/.329, so I see no indication that’s going to happen. That’s alot to pay on the hope that a stiff can arise from the dead.

            • MTU

              2nd time he has messed up his quad. I’d say so.

    • Chip

      Interesting.

  • Bret The Hitman

    Seldom I see trade speculation framed from an opposing GM perspective. Usually it’s about our top offers not their opening demands or minimum asks. So I will start by saying Dombrowski wants Judge for Price but would settle on Severino. He’s not interested in nova. Final demand.

    • MTU

      Nova and Sanchez.

      • Bret The Hitman

        I want a better return than Cueto. Price is a lefty, healthy, no red flags, track record in AL

        • MTU

          I’ll throw in Mitchell.

          • Bret The Hitman

            We’re too far apart.

            • MTU

              If he can do better than that more power to him.
              We can get him for just $$$ in the OS.

      • joeman

        lets get it on

        • joeman

          Price is going to want a ton of $$$$$$

          • Y’s Guy

            Trading for Price has nothing to do with signing him long term.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Say that a few more times. It’s not sinking in with anyone.

              • Y’s Guy

                I know! People just don’t seem to grasp it!

                • Tom_hamsandwich

                  What they really mean is that they don’t want to give up too much for a rental so they have built in not being about to sign him into their argument.

                  • Y’s Guy

                    I think so because it makes no logical sense at all.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  Too many commenters looking only at brand name and not context. He’s testing the market. He’s in a position, as a player, where he pretty much has to. Buying him out of that would, I guess, mean a salary overpay you wouldn’t want them to take on, whether you think HAL IZ TEH CHEEP or not.

                • Austinmac

                  We disagree it doesn’t help. Grasping your depth is not an issue.

                  • Y’s Guy

                    The Yankees pay full fare for free agents, as they should, there is no discount to come to NY, in fact there is often a premium.
                    If they want to sign Price, great, I wouldn’t but if they want to great. But it adds nothing to the value of picking him up as a rental.

                    • Austinmac

                      I think it could provide him a belief he likes it there. I’m not sure they are currently high on his list. I don’t think it matters because I don’t see them willing to enter into a long and expensive contract.

            • joeman

              if you like what you see your going to want him

      • blake

        Done

    • calripyankee

      For a 2 month rental, I wouldn’t give up Severino.

      • Y’s Guy

        Especially not if you didn’t trade him for Hamels.

    • Diego Moreddardno

      I tell him Bird, Judge and Severino are off the table. If you want any of those guys don’t even bother calling back.

    • MoneyFloatsMyBoat

      Nova could be a fit for Tigers who arnt looking to rebuild but retool. Nova can slot into there rotation for next year and help out.

      • Monterocouldstillbedinero

        This would continue our record of trading guys to the Tigers who didn’t last with them either.

  • whileaway

    Dodgers by far have the most to offer the Tigers for Price.

    NY should just call-up Severino give him 10 starts /60 innings to finish up the season. Maybe trade for Leake or some other 2nd tier hurler.

    • Monterocouldstillbedinero

      This is what I would do but Sev is not a veteran presence and we are the NYYankees in first place. Don’t see it happening.

      • whileaway

        Yanks have called up SP in mid-season during a pennant drive.

        • Tom_hamsandwich

          Wanger!

  • Mississippi Doc

    I don’t know about Sung-Min, but I worry about Tanaka. He seems like a pretty uncertain ace to me. Not only does he have a partially damaged ulnar collateral ligament, but he is not consistent. It is not clear when he pitches which Masahiro is going to show up. And Pineda has not looked good recently. Maybe he is running out of gas. Everybody would like to have Price, of course. The question is how much are we willing to give up for a two month rental, and not get a draft choice when he leaves in free agency for a ten year deal with Seattle or LAA.

    • Tom_hamsandwich

      I think they should put Pineda and Tanaka on the 15 Day DL; and pitch Severino and Mitchell/Warren in their spots until they come back. Its the Pedro Martinez method. Sometimes a SP needs a break and retool before the stretch run.

  • MTU

    Mike Leake or Iwakuma will look just fine in PS.

  • Captain Clutch

    If the yanks are going to beat out the Dodgers for Price I would think they have to include Severino. I think that is the only way that they can get him but I think there is a zero percent chance that Cashman would do that.

  • Y’s Guy

    I suppose someone would have claimed Moss on waivers after the deadline but I’m not sure of that. I know I wouldn’t give up a top prospect for him, though.

  • MTU

    Severino- 6 innings, 10k’s, no earned runs last night.
    Studly.

    • Tom

      If he isn’t traded by tomorrow, he could be called up and make a few starts this season.

      • MTU

        I don’t think I wish to see him traded any longer.
        He’s putting up some video game type #’s at AAA as a 21 yo.
        My only concern is hoping he does not succumb to injury.

    • Captain Clutch

      Very nice. Too bad he only has a few more bullets left in his arm for this year.