The Yanks and Twins may still be talking. Or not.

Yanks complete a trade
Late word: Boston's four-player package

By now, it’s clear that we’re not going to get a resolution to this whole Johan Santana business tonight. But allow me to leave you with two reports which bode well for our efforts but not for Johan Santana’s Bronx future.

In one corner, hailing from and the fine city of Philadelphia, is Jayson Stark with this report:

The Yankees’ “by Monday night” deadline came and went. And Johan Santana was still a Twin when Tuesday arrived at the winter meeting. But even though the Yankees and Twins were still talking about different combinations as the night grew later and later, there was no indication that they were any closer to a deal for Santana than they were four days ago. In fact, if anything, the momentum seemed to be in the opposite direction. Officials from other clubs said several of the Yankees’ baseball personnel at the meetings had begun openly questioning whether they even wanted to make this trade if the Twins said yes. “The more this goes on,” said one AL executive, “the less they want to do it.”

And in the other corner, hailing from Sports Illustrated and the proud city of New York is Jon Heyman, with a report that the Yankees and Twins are at an impasse:

With the Yankees and Twins making limited progress as the Yanks’ self-imposed midnight deadline came and went, the Twins have rekindled talks with the Red Sox and are asking Boston to present a deal including top young lefthander Jon Lester.

People involved in the talks said they believe the situation is coming to a head and that Minnesota will make its call, one way or the other, in fairly short order. The Yankees have been seen as the favorite, but Boston may have renewed hope based upon the midnight phone call.

The Twins, according to Heyman, want Ian Kennedy or Alan Horne and Austin Jackson in addition to Phil Hughes and Mekly Cabrera. To which I say, “Yeah, right.”

Meanwhile, the Twins say they were “amused” by Hank Steinbrenner’s meaningless deadline. Of course, that deadline is only meaningless if the Red Sox don’t scale back their offer under the assumption that the Yanks are truly uninterested in Johan Santana.

For the Yanks’ part, the deadline just shows the internal divide over trading Phil Hughes. They’re not about to turn their backs on Johan Santana just yet, and it sure would be hard to argue against a rotation fronted by Santana, Pettitte, Wang and Joba Chamberlain, however.

Is a member of the Save the Big Three coalition beginning to crack? Stay tuned tomorrow.

Update 1:46: This Jayson Stark article has more info. The Twins didn’t extend a counterproposal after the Yanks rejected the 4-for-1 offer Heyman mentioned, and they reiterated their stance in regards to keeping Ian Kennedy. This could be falling apart for now. But “for now” is simply temporary when it comes to the Yankees.

Yanks complete a trade
Late word: Boston's four-player package
  • zack

    Its really pretty damn hard to pass up that rotation and to ignore its obvious awesomeness. That is a killer big 4 with Moose/Kennedy bringing up the rear to spell Joba for a month or so.

    • Jerry

      The Twins are asking for way too much. It is a killer big 4 but it’s definately not worth the expense of a package of Hughes/Melky/Kennedy or Hughes/Melky/Horne/Jackson.

  • giselle

    if the yankees weren’t willing to trade hughes+melky+IPK, what in the world would lead the twins to believe that the yankees would part with hughes+melky+IPK+austin jackson.

    they must be outta their minds!

  • mehmattski

    (Insert Random Small-Sample Statistic Discrediting The Best Pitcher in Baseball)

    What’s that? Santana has a .450 OBP against when he starts on Wednesdays in August? Well screw that then!

  • stuart

    hopefully the trade wil fall apart…

    again this trade is too costly in talent and $’s minny is out of there minds the initial trade was more then fair and better then the red sux trade…..

    hope it is dead…

  • Travis G.

    the shitty part is that i dont trust Hank to ever keep his word. while this particular round of negotiating may fail, who’s to say he wont reopen talks next week or next month?

    this has gotta make Phil and Melky anxious all off-season. as well as us.

  • giselle

    hopefully if this deal falls through hughes is off the table for good and next week’s or next month’s deals will offer less talent because of the twins’ desperation to trade johan before the season.

  • Travis G.

    Hank said “We’ll sleep on it.” that’s quite a deadline he set.

  • Alex

    If this is true, it’d be shocking if Santana is not a Red Sock by tomorrow. This is a more than fair offer.

  • waswhining

    These sawks fans…I called up one at 3 yesterday afternoon and told him Santana was on his way to Fenway for Lester, Ellsbury and Dice-K. “Dice_K, really, you’re shitting me. Wow.” I said, “Hey, this is Johan Santana of black magic woman fame. You want world championships for the next five years in a row you got to ante up. Yankees lost big time.” At some point I couldn’t suppress my giggles and waves of laughter. Best laugh I’ve had the past few days. I hope Santana goes to Fenway. Serve the little bastard right.

    On a more positive note, Tyler Clippard gets to play in the bigs next year and the bullpen gets some deserved attention. Isn’t Alan Horne projected for the bullpen as well?

  • LiveFromNewYork

    My concern is not losing Santana. I’m more than willing to keep what we got. My issue is that 1. Hank can’t be counted on to keep his public word and 2. They might have gotten used to a departed Hughes and be willing to deal him for Haren.

    I want to keep Hughes. Only Santana is worth giving him up for.

    The other thing is that Hank keeps saying that the fans deserve to know what is going on. Well how can we know that when his public comments cannot be trusted.

    Hank, put up or shut up.

    Take Hughes off the table PERMANENTLY.

  • Jeff

    I want Santana bad but the deal they are asking for is crazy… and to be quite honest pisses me off. How are they going to say Boston has a better offer on the table? Screw the Twins and screw Boston if it comes down to it. I say keep our talent and hope they turn into the big three as of right now though I’ll be hoping the Twins come to their senses. If not… I can’t wait till they watch Hughes get 17 wins while Lester and the rest of their pick-up shit the bed and they loose their fan base. The Twins are ridiculous. Boston continues to get handouts in deals. Irritating beyond belief.

  • E-ROC

    The Twins and Red Sox have concluded trade talks for the night with a deal likely within reach, the Boston Globe reports.

    “The Globe says there are indications that the deal would be Jon Lester, Coco Crisp, Jed Lowrie and Justin Masterson for Johan Santana. ESPN’s Buster Olney also believes that’s the package. Crisp doesn’t seem like a great fit for a Twins club that figures to have little chance of contending next year, though as outstanding as he is defensively, he is being undervalued as a trade property. The Twins would also be getting a potential No. 2 starter in Lester, a possible No. 3 or a closer in Masterson and a likely starting second baseman in Lowrie. Phil Hughes is a better bet than all of them, but the Twins must not rate him as highly as many do.”

  • jew4jeter

    According to Buster Olney: “If the Twins were satisfied with Lester’s medicals, it’s believed they would accept a swap of him, Coco Crisp, shortstop prospect Jed Lowrie and either highly regarded pitching prospect Justin Masterson or another player.

    Or if the Twins reversed field and decided they wanted center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury instead, it’s believed that would be a 3-for-1 trade — with only Ellsbury, Masterson and Lowrie going to Minnesota.

    However, the Red Sox apparently remained adamant that while either Ellsbury or Lester was available, they would trade one or the other — but not both — in any trade. ”

    If this is true, this is complete bullshit. How are any of those trade proposals anywhere close to what the Yankees are offering? Why is Ellsbury/Lester being valued more by the Twins then Hughes? This is very depressing.

  • Pfistyunc

    Well, it sounds like Boston is going to get him. That pretty much seals up the AL East for the next five years or so and provides a pretty nice foundation for a dynasty. Oh well, at least our owner can stick his foot in his mouth better than theirs!

  • Mike Plugh

    Are you serious? That pretty much seals up the AL East? I just don’t see how the Red Sox are going to be that much better than us, even with Santana. They have a great rotation, but what guarantee is there that Beckett repeats his 2007 on a yearly basis? Prior to 2007, he had never been that consistently good, and had blister issues. Now he’s God? Santana is hard to argue against, but Matsuzaka was league average, Schilling will be gone, Buchholz had a nice stint, and what’s the rest? There are stil SOME question marks in Boston.

    Plus, their lineup is going to have some questions as well. No way Lowell repeats his 2007. Lugo is probably still a mess. Ortiz is coming off surgery. Varitek is a mummy.

    The Yankees issues are mainly centered around lack of veteran starters and an aging outfield. First base is weak. The replacement pitchers are The Big Three, so there is a lot of hope. Cashman is a believer, anyway. So are a lot of us.

    Let them eat cake.

    • martin

      Wow ! A voice of reason.

  • Alvaro

    Santana going to Boston guarantees nothing.

    I still think he’ll end up with the Yankees. Hank The Fool will cave in.

  • MS

    SOunds like Santana is headed to Boston (mlbtraderumors). I thought I was ok with not getting Santana, until I realized he may actually go to Boston. I don’t think we can let Boston get him. I’m not saying throw Kennedy in the deal but I would trade Hughes, Melky, and Jackson at this point. ANybody who thinks the Sox aren’t the clear favorites with Santana is delusional. They won it all without him last year, with him they will be even more dominant in the playoffs. Plus, we can just sign Hughes in 5 years or so when he becomes a free agent and Minnesota won’t pay him either.

  • Mike Plugh

    Being the favorite and actually winning it all are two very different things.

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  • tony from the bronx

    Every team want more in trades from the Yanks.Just look at the Schilling deal and the R.J. deal.Let Santanna go to Boston.The Yanks will be just fine.Beckett is injury prone and Santanna getting 25mil will not sit well with the rest of the players.Do the Red Sox redo Beckett and Papi deals? If so,they will have a higher payroll then us.I am not so sure they really will pull the trigger on this deal.Hughes is still the best player of all the prospects being talked about.Presonaly the Twins want more from us then the Red Sox.I would pass.