• The David

    Nice article! I see Joba as the modern day AL version of John Smoltz. Going to have some great years as a starter but should move to the pen for later on

    • radnom

      So you see Joba having to undergo Tommy John surgery and have a hard time recovering forcing him to the bullpen? Wow that must be some crystal ball you have.

      Listen, a lot of starters break into the big leagues through the pen due to modern practice with innings restrictions. Do you see Santana going to the bullpen in a few years too??

    • Jack

      And then back to the rotation.

  • cult of basebaal

    “never mind that shit, here comes Mongo!”

    err, pavano … from lohud:

    According to his agent, Carl Pavano has been told he will start against the Orioles on Saturday

    • jsbrendog

      oh hear me flying spagheti monster, lets see the new dawn of no no carl pavano the no hit throwing wonder.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Damnit, cult of basebaal, I hired you to lay some track, not jump around like a bunch of Kansas City faggots!

      (is that too risque to post?)

      • JohnnyC

        Which part of your post?

      • cult of basebaal

        whooooweeeee tommiesmithjohncarlos! you use yer tongue purtier than a 5 dollar whore!

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

          “What did he say?”
          “I think he said that the Sheriff is near.”

          • cult of basebaal

            i reckon that’s about as far as we can take that one …

  • bill

    Does anyone think Joba’s injury was a result of his mechanics/pitching style? I think the hot weather in Texas on the night of the injury contributed towards it.

    • barry

      The heat might of hurried the injury but I think his muscles just got tired from going pen to rotation so quickly. Different stresses on his arm and it just broke down.

      • bill

        Yeah but David Cone was doin the game that night and says that extreme heat lets muscles get looser than normal, which leads to strains. Cone said he experienced a similar injury when he pitched in heat. I think Joba’s injury was very minor and wont threaten what could be a great career. As usual, the NY papers completely overreacted to something not so serious and declared the end of the world.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

          NY Papers overreacted? Naaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh…

          • Steve

            If you think we’re bad, rad some of the Boston papers. Not only do they over react, but they question the players Mom for giving birth to him in the first place.

    • JohnnyC

      I think the Yankees should learn from the Red Sox when explaining how injuries such as this occur. Just have Joba say he slept on his arm the night before. And when he returns to make his first start, just dab some mercurochrome on the sleeve.

      • bill

        Yeah I think Beckett may have a more serious injury than the Red Sux are letting on. On BBTN Steve Philips was saying that Beckett was throwing only in the low 90’s for a large part of the game and that his nasty curve had no bite to it. And now he’s skipping a start, and Clay Fuccholz has been demoted to AA. This could turn out to be a big break for the Yanks.

        • Simon B.

          Well, if Steve Phillips is worried, then we know Beckett is completely and utterly fine.

          • bill

            I agree that Steve Philips doesnt always know what he’s talking about, but he’s not the only one worried, because the Red Sux scratched Beckett from his next start. And all the Red Sux fans think the world is over.

  • 27 this year

    Mike, pavano has been named Sat starter. Look on Lohud.

  • beezr

    I can’t read that shit.

  • Old Ranger

    Let’s see, if he gets 4 starts this year (discounting the other wasted yrs) he’ll have gotten $11mm a start. That makes him the highest payed player in any sport, doesn’t it? For that money, he best win all his starts…at least put us where we can win. I don’t care for him, but if he can help us win…that’s all I care about, just win! 27/09?

    • Radnom

      Shilling got 8$ this year just to blog.

  • Steve

    Analyzing pitching mechanics is unfortunately more art than science. One problem is you need really high speed film and lots of it to properly study a pitcher’s motion. Television broadcasts don’t cut it.

    Also, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For example, Carlos Gomez of the Hardball Times LOVED Joba’s mechanics.


    When Chien Mein Wang was signed, one of his main attributes was his “smooth, fluid motion” which the Yankees said would make him far less prone to injury. He hurt his shoulder 2 of the next 3 years.

    Point being, don’t take any one opinion as Gospel, no matter how well informed it is.

  • RC

    I wonder if Joba had his mechanics checked by James Andrews’ group.
    See http://www.asmi.org
    with this kind of technology available I would be shocked if the Yanks have not used it at some point.
    remember – three certainties in life; death, taxes and pitchers get hurt

  • Steve

    One thing that bugs me a little bit is Joba has NEVER thrown more than 120 innings in any season. Not college, not the minors, not anywhere. He’ll be 23 in a month, he should have some innings under his belt somewhere by now.

    Is he simply not built for it? Does he only have about 100 innings in that arm? If so, the ‘Joba to the bullpen’-corps will end up being right about him after all.


  • julie

    cone was right in my opinion, extreme heat does contribute to faster injury. But, and this comes from one of the biggest yankees fans ever..cuz i live in chicago right now and take all kinds of heat..but, I DONT Think tha r sox have it this year. on the other hand injuries cant b ur only excuse and giradi needs to step it up!