Oct
29

From the mailbag: What about Magglio?

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The Detroit Tigers were arguably the American League’s biggest disappointment this year. They beefed up payroll and landed Miguel Cabrera through a key trade only to find their pitching in shambles. Their 74-88 last-place finish was not expected.

Now, as the Tigers dig out from this debacle, the team has a few tough decisions to make. One of them surrounds Magglio Ordoñez. The Tigers’ right fielder is due $18 million in 2009, and the team holds two options for 2010 and 2011. This contract severely limits the team’s financial flexibility, and as MLB Trade Rumors pointed out earlier this week, the Tigers may try to move Ordoñez.

To that end, long-time RAB reader Justin wrote to me this week:

What would it take to trade for Magglio Ordonez? The Tigers need to shed payroll and Magglio is still a very productive right fielder, certainly more so than Bobby Abreu. What about a package of Kennedy, Nady and someone like Marquez for Magglio with the yanks taking on his full salary?

Now, Ordoñez on the surface is certainly an attractive target. He’s always crushed the Yankees both at Yankee Stadium and in either Chicago or Detroit. But this may be another case of A.J. Burnett syndrome where the target looks more appealing than he actually is. Let’s hit the numbers.

Ordoñez is actually six weeks older than the Yanks’ current incumbent right fielder, and their numbers are fairly identical. In 2008, Abreu hit .296/.371/.471 with 20 home runs and Ordoñez hit .317/.376/.494 with 21 home runs. In terms of park effects, Ordoñez’s home splits were significantly better than his road splits (.350/.397/.577 and 13 HR vs. .286/.356/.415 with 8 HR) while Abreu’s numbers display a similar but not quite as dramatic split. Comerica Park did not play any more a role of a pitcher’s park as Yankee Stadium did last year.

Sabermetrically, the two in 2008 were nearly the same as well. Ordoñez’s VORP of 38.3 was a hair higher than Abreu’s 36.1 mark. These trends project over the course of their careers as well, as the two have very similar career lines. The differences then are in the terms of their contracts. Abreu is a free agent at age when teams are looking to shed 35-year-old outfielders; Ordoñez is still under contract at a high price for at least another year and possibly two more after that.

To that end, I’d say pass on Ordoñez. He doesn’t incrementally add much to the Yankee roster that the team couldn’t add by re-signing Abreu. Plus, he’s going to cost, at least for 2009, significantly more than Bobby, and the Tigers will ask for something beyond fiscal relief in a trade. If the Yankees are interested in Ordoñez, they may as well just stick with Abreu for less money, and they wouldn’t have to give up prospects to boot.

Of course, if the Yankees pass on re-signing Abreu and need a warm body in the outfield until Austin Jackson is ready, they could do much, much worse than Ordoñez. But again, I’m loathe to trade away anything valuable by a 35-year-old outfielder set to make $18 million next year. It’s just not worth it.

Categories : Hot Stove League
  • http://knickerbockerchatter.blogspot.com Bruno

    Agreed. Good player, but overratted IMO.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    I’d put this under the category of “Hell no”. Magglio Ordóñez’s options for the 2010 and 2011 seasons are vested if he reaches specific achievements during his 2008-2009 campaigns. I’ll let Cot do the talking:

    # options guaranteed at $18M for 2010 & $15M for 2011 if Ordonez has:

    * 135 starts or 540 PAs in 2009, or
    * 270 starts or 1,080 PAs in 2008-09

    That portion in bold is the huge drawback of acquiring Ordóñez. In 2008, “Maggs” amassed 623 Plate Appearances, or %57 of the total amount of PA’s needed to guarantee the 2010 and 2011 contract options. He would only need to come to the plate a total of 457 times in 2009 to guarantee the two options that are worth $33,000,000. Seeing as how Ordóñez came to the plate in excess of six-hundred times in each of the past three seasons, I think it’s pretty safe to assume that he will achieve that 457 mark and guarantee those options.

    That being the case, there is no way the Yankees should even ponder this acquisition.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Heh, I am going to kick ass in MLB Front Office Manager. ;)

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        We’re totally going to start an online RAB league. We should be able to fine 30 people, one for each team.

        • jsbrendog

          coughsecondinthefantasyleagueandgoingtobeatuponjoepthisweekcough

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            To many cough’s, you screwed up the site formatting. I chopped one off from each end.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

              coughwhere’smypromisedRABfantasyfootballleaguesidebarcough

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                Yeah … that went out the window once I realized my team would never be in first.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                  Yeah, but if you do put it up there, you can tease me till the cows come home about losing twice: once by .14 points, and once by benching all my players like a dumbass.

                  That’s gotta be worth something, right?

                • Jay CT

                  Hell yeah its worth something. I say put the sidebar up NOW.

                  Who is in first place by the way? That team is ridiculusly good. Must be an amazing GM.

    • Chris C.

      You’re right.
      But everytime a player is rumored to be available, Yankee fans want him.

      Nevermind that there should be a particular plan and offseason strategy in place, enabling the Yankees to move forward and compete with Boston and TB for the years to come, which SHOULD involve utilizing and growing the players in their system for their service in pinstripes, not as tradebait………..Some Yankee fans just want ANYONE they can get.

      Yeah, let’s give up on a 23 year old 1st round draft pick due to one bad season, and deal him for an aging outfielder who costs a fortune and who’s best years are probably behind him. And we’ll add another very good minor league pitcher, and Xavier Nady as well.
      Makes perfect sense.

    • Chris

      Also consider that if he doesn’t get 457 plate appearances, he’s certaily not worth $18M for next year…

  • Reggie C.

    Xavier Nady’s good season looks like a spike year. He’s not untouchable. But i wouldn’t trade him for a high salaried, replacement position player. I’d rather package Nady and Cano for Matt Cain and a 2B prospect (Nick Noonan).

    Yanks could then re-sign Abreu for a 1 or 2 years. Or sign Manny or Dunn. Thoughts?

    The big question: Would a Cano + Nady offer land Matt Cain ??

    • Shamus

      Why all the Matt Cain love?

      I just don’t get it…

      If I’m shopping Cano and Nady (or a prospect), I want a proven font of the line starter in return. Cano, despite his 2008 pitfalls, is locked into a team friendly deal over the next half decade.

      Frankly, with the free agent market full of pitchers, I’d save my trade chips for a CF or LF, or a 1B if they don’t get Tex in addition to CC.

      Priorities:

      CC
      Tex
      Burnett/Lowe/Perez
      CF
      LF
      Bench
      C (depending on Jorge’s throwing program in DEC)

      • Reggie C.

        I don’t like Burnett, Lowe, or Perez. Lowe i can see as a middle of the order guy, but the other 2 are timebombs waiting to blow. I’d rather double-up (as many on RAB call it) on pitching this offseason. To me that first means signing Sabathia, and then executing a trade for a cheap, high-ceiling pitcher. Now, Cain is tradeable. the Giants have contemplated it before.

        Nady was slugging +.500 in the AL Central. Cano’s mental approach is unpolished but he represents more offensive upside than anyone on that Giants team. I think its enough to get a deal on Cain moving.

        • Bo

          Why the Cain love? Because the guy is an outstanding young pitcher with great stuff and a good frame. Just because he doesn’t have the W’s one would want doesn’t mean he’s not ready to take off and be a frontline pitcher.

        • Chris C.

          “Cano’s mental approach is unpolished but he represents more offensive upside than anyone on that Giants team.”

          Let’s see…….as bad as the Giants offense is, every one of them reached base this season more often than Robinson Cano.
          You are over-inflating Cano’s value coming off a down year.
          And how do you kow that the Giants don’t already have infield prospects in their system that they regard as more polished than Cano?

          And Matt Cain is a 24 year old workhorse who is salary-controlled for a least the next two seasons.

          I would be stunned if the Giants take back over 5 mill per year in salaried players for Matt Cain.

          • Reggie C.

            I’m not over-inflating Cano’s value. At least not too much. I’m just not dismissing his previous 3 seasons worth of plate appearances. Sure we wouldn’t be having this discussion if Cano was able to approximate his ’07 season, but hey .. it didn’t happen. Cano’s as good a bet as any to rebound next season. There are stats re: his linedrive rate and the sort that indicate that Cano simply hit alot of pitches right at defenders.

            Now the Giants aren’t a small market team. They can afford to pick up some salary if they’re getting back a couple ML players that upgrades the team offense.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          I’d rather double-up (as many on RAB call it) on pitching this offseason.

          We all would. What we’re all having problems doing is finding the second, non-CC pitcher to get who either A) doesn’t suck balls or B) wouldn’t require us gouging out a huge chunk of our quality young talent we’re going to desperately need in the future to acquire. Nobody is giving us an under-contract, under-30 quality arm without taking a pound of our flesh.

          To me that first means signing Sabathia, and then executing a trade for a cheap, high-ceiling pitcher.

          There’s no such thing as a “cheap, high-ceiling pitcher.” Pitchers are either cheap or have high ceilings. Teams don’t trade away high-ceiling pitchers on the cheap anymore.

          Now, Cain is tradeable. the Giants have contemplated it before.

          And the reason they haven’t already traded him is because nobody has been able to meet their demands, because their demands are high. As they should be.

      • Chris C.

        “If I’m shopping Cano and Nady (or a prospect), I want a proven font of the line starter in return.”

        You are out of your mind. A proven front line starter for those two???

        • Reggie C.

          Maybe i am alittle nuts. Its a ballsy move and absolutely worth cashman’s time to pick up that phone. The Giants are gonna have some problem upgrading that team’s offense. I don’t know if they’re planning to be players in the FA market. But this trade automatically gives that lineup more punch than their SD counterparts , and does it without adding tens of millions of dollars onto their payroll.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Reggie C., why would the Giants include Nick Noonan?

        Shamus: I want a proven font of the line starter in return.

        Like Matt Cain?

        • Reggie C.

          I’d hope to get back a middle infield prospect if we’re giving up our 25 year old 2B. Noonan is a good prospect yes, but Cano sort of settles that position for quite a while.

          • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

            I know why you want him, I mean what in a package of Robinson Cano and Xavier Nady would entice Brian Sabean to include Nick Noonan? A package of Cano and Nady would not even bring back Matt Cain by his lonesome.

            • Reggie C.

              You gotta tell me what’s missing.

              • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                I’m pretty sure one of Phil Hughes and Austin Jackson would have to be included with Robinson Cano. After that, I really can’t tell you. I’m not familiar enough with the Giants’ farm system to speculate on what they might be looking to acquire, outside of high-impact prospects.

                • DCR

                  That’s nuts. Cano is an all-star second baseman and Hughes, perhaps un-deservingly, has a lot of value. Both of them for Cain is way too much.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                  Exactly. Peavy, Cain, and whatever other under-30 talented starter you can dream of trading for, the other GM isn’t going to budge unless the first three names out of our mouths are Hughes, Cano, AND Austin Jackson. All three.

                  You just don’t trade for young, cost controlled aces, or even young, cost-controlled near-aces, on the cheap. Look at the Haren and Beckett deals again. Hell, look at the Santana deal: everyone agrees the Twins didn’t get enough, but they still got 4 of the top 5 players in the Mets weakened farm system.

                • Steve S

                  well in the Haren deal and the Santana deal, the Twins and A’s both got a lot of volume as opposed to the premium prospects. For example the Mets got to keep Pelfrey and Martinez. And the DBacks kept Scherzer and Justin Upton.

                  I think Hughes is a standard request. I think trading a guy like Cano changes the context of any of the secondary players or at least he should change it if the other GM is being realistic. Cano is a proven major leaguer signed to an affordable contract and is a premium offensive player at a position that has a derth of offensive players.

                • Reggie C.

                  That’s right Steve.

                  I think the Giants want to upgrade offensively in several areas. Cano and Nady accomplish that task. Now, the Giants may sure want push for A-Jax in the deal, but I think lesser offensive prospects can get the deal done. Someone like Brad Suttle and Miranda could go.

                  If Pitching is what the Giants seek then Cain wouldn’t be on the block.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                  Cain’s not “on the block” because they don’t need pitching. Cain’s “on the block” because the Giants suck, and on sucky teams, everybody’s on the block.

                  Peavy’s on the block in San Diego, and Towers has publicly gone on record stating that he’ll need at least TWO good young PITCHERS and a good young offensive player in return. Because Towers knows he has to find a new Peavy if he deals Peavy away.

                  You’re not going to get Cain without giving up a good young arm in return. They’re not trying to turn Cain into Cano, they’re trying to turn Cain into Cano, Austin Jackson, and another good young cost controlled pitcher who can replace Cain in a year or two (like Phil Hughes.)

                • DCR

                  They might want Hughes and Cano but it will never happen. The Yankees would be getting creamed on that deal. Cano is an All-Star 2B and signed cheap. If he is in a deal for Cain then they’re not getting Hughes.

                  Cano, Kennedy, and a lesser position prospect. You guys throwing packages of Cano, Hughes, and Jackson are insane.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                  You guys throwing packages of Cano, Hughes, and Jackson are insane.

                  Agreed. Which is why I’m saying we’re not trading for Cain.

                • Steve S

                  Yeah well I think the foundation of this trade was founded in the Rios for Cain straight up rumor from last year which Sabean said he contemplated. Cano is arguable as good if not a better offensive player and considering the position. Cano is the better commodity and he is two years younger.

                  I think adding in pitching prospects (not including Hughes or lets just say Kennedy, McAllister or a Kontos or a package of them, then it wouldnt be a hard thing for the Giants to walk away from. And the Giants do have a surplus of good young pitching and lack a lot of positional prospects.

                  If the Yankees really want Cain, then they should offer to take Zito back and give them a bad prospect package for taking that awful contract. Im not endorsing that move, Im saying that would probably get it done even before Hughes and Jackson.

    • Ol Dirtay

      I don’t think that’s enough for Cain. Cano is coming off a down year and as you said, Nady’s season could have been a fluke. The rumors are that Cain for Fielder isn’t going to happen, so I don’t see why the Giants would do it for two lesser players.

    • Chris C.

      “Xavier Nady’s good season looks like a spike year. He’s not untouchable. But i wouldn’t trade him for a high salaried, replacement position player. I’d rather package Nady and Cano for Matt Cain and a 2B prospect (Nick Noonan).”

      Yeah, I’d rather do that too. Who wouldn’t?
      The GIANTS, that’s who!

      • Jacob

        What about this deal:

        Cano, Kennedy, Coke, Nady

        for

        Matt Cain

        This gives the Giants two young pitchers, one of which has as high a value as he ever will. The other one is coming off an awful season but still could be a back of the rotation starter and I think would have more value for an NL team. Plus Nady gives them another upgrade offensively.

        I’m not familiar with Noonan, so I don’t know what his value is. But if they get Cano I can’t imagine them really needing him, so maybe add Miranda and get him. I don’t know whow realistic that is. But if I can do a deal to get Cain and give up nothing more than Cano, Nady and some B level prospects (I.E. no Jackson, Hughes, or Montero) than I do it.

  • Shamus

    I second Jamal:

    HELL NO!

    Now, not that I think the OF is fine. I’m not sold on Nady and Damon in CF this year scares me.

    A trade for Holliday in LF, Nady in RF with Damon in CF seems less scary.

    • Chris C.

      Enough with the Damon in center nonsense.
      He is NOT a good outfielder, cannot throw a baseball, and cannot run nearly the way he used to.

      Thery’e better off going with Gardner. And I’m not going to get into that argument again.

      • Shamus

        Damon has a gun for an arm !

        :lol:

        • Bo

          You can do worse for a year than Damon in CF and Gardner being his def replacement/pinch runner/5th OF.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Johnny Damon still has good range in the outfield (obviously better equipped roaming left field), it’s just his arm that’s basically non-existent.

        • Chris C.

          “Johnny Damon still has good range in the outfield (obviously better equipped roaming left field), it’s just his arm that’s basically non-existent.”

          His arm is a major problem that has been ignored for years now. His arm has cost the Yankees a countless number of runs, between guys tagging on shallow flies, or routinely scoring from 2nd or going from 1st to 3rd.

          People ignore this stuff, but it is just as important to prevent it, as it is to produce runs offensively.

          He’s a good outfielder who just doesn’t have an arm? That’s like saying somone is a good pitcher, but he just can’t throw strikes.

          • steve (different one)

            He’s a good outfielder who just doesn’t have an arm? That’s like saying somone is a good pitcher, but he just can’t throw strikes.

            wrong.

            wrong.

            wrong.

          • steve (different one)

            He’s a good outfielder who just doesn’t have an arm? That’s like saying somone is a good pitcher, but he just can’t throw strikes.

            i must have imagined all those gold gloves Bernie won.

            • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Well, to be fair, the Gold Glove award doesn’t mean anything.

              • steve (different one)

                yes, i realize this.

                it was my way of quickly saying:

                “i must have imagined that 5-6 year stretch where Bernie Williams was an excellent defensive outfielder, despite having a weak arm.”

                there are 2 parts to playing the outfield. catching the ball and throwing the ball. one is WAAAAY more important than the other.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                  There are two kinds of people in the world:
                  People who think there are two kinds of people in the world, and people who don’t.

      • steve (different one)

        Enough with the Damon in center nonsense.
        He is NOT a good outfielder

        you say this as if were a fact when it is not.

        he is a good outfielder.

        he is very good in LF and he is still about average in CF.

        his arm is poor. we know that.

        but he still has pretty good range. and range is WAY more important than arm strength.

        now, would i prefer to see someone else in CF? yes. because i don’t know if he can hold up in CF for an entire season.

        but he isn’t nearly as bad as you say he is, and the numbers would support that.

        • steve (different one)

          crap.

          close bold tag.

  • http://knickerbockerchatter.blogspot.com Bruno

    Marlon Bryd for CF! Realistically, what would it take to get him and Salty from Texas?

    • Bo

      You will see the Sox trade an arm for Teagarden or Salty. They can afford to move Bucholz or Bowden or even Masterson at this point.

      • steve (different one)

        i agree with this.

        i think this scenario makes sense for both teams.

        let’s just hope the Sox pick the wrong catcher to acquire and the wrong arm(s) to send away.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Buchholz for Teagarden. Straight up. Makes sense for everyone, both teams dealing from a position of strength to fill a long term need.

        • Reggie C.

          Mike,

          Is there any way that V-tek won’t be a RS next season? If he turns down arbitration in search of a multi-yr deal, no team will sign him and cough up 2 draft picks. I say he does the Yanks a favor and stays in Boston.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            I can see Minaya signing Varitek. He’s good like that.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

              I don’t think even Minaya is that dumb.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                Luis Castillo says hi.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                  Touché.

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Oooh how do you do the accent? That’s fancy.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                  I paste in from Microsoft® Word™. It’s got all kinds of cool stuff, like coñaso and soupçon.

                • Count Zero

                  Best exchange of the day FTW.

          • steve (different one)

            i think the Red Sox will bring him back at a “below market” rate but they will also pursue a long term solution.

            i’m thinking something like 2 years, $16M.

            they will just have to count on eating that money in the second year.

            just a guess.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          Yeah, Buchholz for Teagarden makes a lot more sense than the IPK for Salty thing discussed ad nauseam on here the past few months.

          • GG

            Salty can’t even catch. You know its a problem when teams are playing him at 1b and thats not just because his bat is nice.

  • this is the david

    You wouldnt trade anyone for a 35 year old Out feilder set to make 18 million next year. What about a 34 making 17 millon? (Ichiro)

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      This is a joke, right?

  • Steve S

    If you can get Detroit to pick up a big part of the contract, lets say knock him down $12 M a year and the prospect cost is minimal then why not, maybe even convince them to take Igawa.

    • Steve S

      And Timmy D said he would need to get moved because they need salary relief. I dont think they can get a real prospect package at $17M per year at 35 years old for a corner outfielder who got a mysterious knee surgery in Europe years ago.

  • LC

    I know the solution to all the Yanks’ probs.

    The solution: Pat Venditte

    jk but the guy did just win milb reliever of the year for short season

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

    pretty cool pitcher…first heard about him 2 years ago and have kept an eye on him ever since

    Also, Ichiro isn’t worth trading for. He would cost way too much in prospects b/c he’s the only good player on the mariners and he’s not even that good. His speed is going down, so he’s not getting as many of those infield hits and his defense isn’t as good as it used to be

  • Brad K

    Wasn’t the question about Magglio Ordoñez? To which the answer is no. I just don’t see this as being an upgrade over Abreu. If push came to shove and we can’t solve the RF problem, I would re-sign Bobby before I would consider giving up any prospects for Magglio Ordoñez.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Magglio? Magglio? Is that what I wrote about? I swore I wrote about Matt Cain and Robinson Cano. Oh wait….

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        Hey, speaking of which, that IPK kid really sucks, no?

        • steve (different one)

          anyone who is called by their initials before they win 200 games sucks.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            As are pitchers who aren’t chinese, or outfielders with dreadlocks.

      • Reggie C.

        My bad Ben. Consider the Cain-Cano thing dropped.

        Would you sign Abreu to a 2 yr extension? I don’t think he’s going to accept arbitration and he’ll likely get a couple 2 yr offers. Would you opt for Adam Dunn instead of Manny?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

          Hah! Don’t worry about it. It’s all the Hot Stove League. I’m glad people are talking so much.

          I’d give Abreu two years at a lower AAV than he’ll want. I’d kick the tires on Dunn, but he’s going to want a lot of money that I’d rather give to Teixeira. Really though I’d split the difference and go for Manny.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            BUT TEH EVIL DREADLOCKS!!!!!!11!!!!11!!!1!11!!!11!!1!!11!

  • Steve S

    I just dont get the corner outfielder talk right now with Holliday and Magglio. I understand there is a need but you also have to clear some space. You have a gaping hole in center while you still have Nady, Matsui and Damon under contract for another year. The free agent market has a strength when it comes to starting pitching, concentrate on that. And as much as the offense wasnt as good this year as it had been in the past, Im not sure if the standard goal should be to build a team that scores 900 runs a year. You would hope that Posada, a bounce back from Cano, better years from Arod and Jeter would put them in a good spot, assuming they improved their pitching (I understand the need to replace abreu and giambi but I feel like those guys really benefited from hitting in front and behind Arod).

    • GG

      That’s all it is. Talk.

      You don’t here Cashman or any with any power talking Lf’s. Papers and bloggers got to write and talk about something.

      May as well connect an expensive player to the NYY.

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  • Anthony

    Kennedy, Nady and someone like Marquez plus we take on his full salary? What is that guy smoking?! Seriously, Dombrowski would wonder how it is that Christmas came early that he gets two decent to above average pitching prospects, an underrated younger productive corner outfielder and Ordonez’s full salary off the books. Simply insane. May be better than the WFAN ideas that would have us trade Shelley Duncan for Ordonez and demand that they pay Ordonez’s full salary, but still similarly idiotic. Doesn’t even seem worth the digital ink.