Friday evening Hot Stove open thread

2008 Minor League Free Agents
If Moose retires, CC becomes a necessity

It’s a rather quiet day around baseball. The GMs are home; the awards come next week; and the rumors have slowed down. Of interest to Yankee fans are two MLBTR posts.

The first notes that the Brewers expect a counteroffer from CC Sabathia, but this counteroffer won’t come until after other teams can enter the bidding. This leaves the Yanks in a bit of a precarious position. If Sabathia goes back to the Brewers with a counterproposal, it basically means that he’s interested in staying in Milwaukee. The Yanks would have to overwhelm him with an offer to draw him to New York, and that means the team would be bidding against itself. Is it worth it? (My answer: Probably.)

The other post is a simple rundown of Yankee rumors. In a nutshell, it seems that since today is a day that ends in Y, The Post has yet another self-generated Robinson Cano rumor; nobody wants Kei Igawa; the Yanks could bring back both Mike Mussina and Andy Pettitte; and Mark Teixeira can probably handle the pressure of playing in New York. What a relief.

Unless anything major breaks, the three of us will be out enjoying our Friday evenings. Feel free to use this as a general open thread on the Hot Stove, Stephon Marbury or Justin Tuck’s ridiculous fine. In fact, if someone can convincingly explain to me how this hit managed to generate a $7500 levy, I’ll buy ‘em a beer.

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2008 Minor League Free Agents
If Moose retires, CC becomes a necessity
  • jsbrendog

    In fact, if someone can convincingly explain to me how this hit managed to generate a $7500, I’ll buy ‘em a beer.

    one word. sasquatch

    • pat

      ill tell you who ate those lunches jsbrendog….

  • Steve S

    What you cant see in the video is Justin Tuck had completely exposed himself prior to “driving him into the ground”, just because the Cowboy offensive line had made it that easy and as a way to embarrass them.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Personal Foul… tackling the Quarterback with full body weight; 15-yard penalty…

    Last time I checked, isn’t the NFL a tackle-football league?

    • Manimal

      Yeah seriously, dumbest fine in a while. He shouldn’t have gotten penalized never mind FINED.

      • Manimal

        And what are you supposed to use, half of your weight? He had his head down and drove him down, it happens. Is it worth 7 grand? nope.

  • http://salarydump.wordpress.com Joltin’ Joe

    When yer feet leave the ground, the d-line will pound.

  • Andy In Sunny Daytona

    Just a quick comment. On those Microsoft PC commercials, is it me, or does every man who has a web cam have to look like a crazy perv? “I’m a PC, and I like pancakes!”
    Fuckin scary.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      I have a new appreciation for Justin Long (the Mac Guy) after seeing “Zach and Miri…” last weekend.

      • Steve

        Hung like a horse?

  • Larry

    Let’s assume for a moment that we can’t/don’t get CC and/or Tex – Where do the runs come from, where does the pitching come from (and I don’t mean Burnett or Lowe), and where does speed and athleticism come from? As you can see, I don’t think much of the usual FA suspects, we need to do better. HELP!

    • Joey H

      Great point Larry. I think cash is aware of this and will do absolutely anything to get C.c. I mean love certain regions or what have you but 25-30% higher than the second highest offer is hard to turn down.

      • Larry

        Gardener has the speed, but can he get on base enough? Not sure what we are going to get out of Nady for a full season, but we’ll miss Abreu in the 3rd spot. We need to reduce the propensity for DP’s which Posada has plenty of and Jeter had more than his share. Another question is going to be Posada’s bat. Will he return to pre-new contract form? I get a sense Manny is in the mix. How about getting Yukalis (why can’t we get a player like him?

        • Joey H

          Until Abreu sings a new contract with a new team i don’t consider him gone. We have to also hopefully factor a full year of Jorgey in there. Nady will be fine, He hit the ball all year. Garder. Well nobody knows about him yet. and Youkilis absolutely hates the Yankees just liker we hate him. So no.

          • Larry

            Joey-I didn’t mean we’d get Youk, I just would like to have a player like him.

            • Joey H

              Oh that’s kinda what I thought pal. I get what you mean man, its rare to get players with those pedigrees and rare to see someone that hideous.

    • christopher

      if that unfortunate scenario happens do they panic and give Manny 4 or even 5 years?

      • Larry

        If they did panic for manny, they would have to move matsui. They’d never go 5 years.

  • Joey H

    Hey so I had no idea that the Japanese baseballs had different seams. Did anyone else?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      The seams in college and minors are different too.

      • Steve

        Please tell me the balls are the same in the minors and majors.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Nope. The stitches are a little closer together in the minors, which leads to tighter spin and more break on the ball. That’s why you see a lot of pitcher’s struggle throwing strikes with their breaking pitches when they first come up.

          It’s not a major different, the balls are like, 98% the same.

          • Steve

            98% the same, the 2% being a chip they implant in the ball that allows the manager to control the ball with a joystick.

            • christopher

              this was supposedly a big issue with Irabu and why he struggled or at least is was talked about ad nauseum. hurt the split finger i think

      • Joey H

        Why tough? different brand of ball? its just like the metal bats. all baseball stuff should be the SAME

        • Joey H

          tHough*

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          No freaking idea.

  • E-ROC

    The NFL is smoking crack right now and that fine on Justin Tuck is an embarassment. Tuck didn’t even body slam Brooks Bollinger. Actually, Tuck actually braced himself on the tackle.

    I don’t feel bad for Marbury. Karma has a way of coming back and giving a person a swift kick in the ass. Marbury brought that crap on himself. However, if the economy was in better shape, I think Dolan would buy him out. Until Marbury brings down his asking price, he’ll stay a Knick ’til the end, which is sad. Marbury did do everything asked of him by Walsh and D’Antoni, but he doesn’t get any tick. I find that to be a little unfair even though we’re talking about Marbury.

  • Bruno

    What do you think the asking price for Shoppach is?

  • Mike R.

    I might be in a minority here but I would trade Cano for Kemp and Martin. I might even include Gardner in that deal. ;-)

    • Steve H

      I’d need Kershaw too.

    • Steve

      If you mean Jack Kemp and Steve Martin, you have a deal.

      • Steve H

        How about Shawn Kemp and Billy Martin?

        • Steve

          How about Dean Martin and an afternoon at Summer Camp?

    • Joey H

      What makes you think the dodgers would do that. and assume we get them both by this longshot, where do we put Martin? Not catching HOPEFULLY and not third.

      • Mike R.

        Ok. I was kidding because there is no way that deal flies, but since you ask if Cashman slipped Colletti some Peyote in Vegas and got him to agree you play Posada and Martin as a 1B/C platoon or DH one of them or whatever! Who cares where you play him this year. He’s young, cheap and talented.

  • Steve

    Here’s something to chew on

    “Short at shortstop: A trade of one burdensome contract for another continues to be a viable option for the Tigers. They need a shortstop, and Boston’s Julio Lugo is available. The Red Sox could add a pitcher to the back end of their rotation, and Detroit would like to move Nate Robertson and/or Dontrelle Willis.

    The money would balance nicely, since all three players are signed through 2010. Lugo is due $18 million. Willis has $22 million left, Robertson $17 million.

    Lugo, who will turn 33 this month, has been a disappointment in two seasons with the Red Sox. He batted .268 this year and was limited to 82 games because of a strained left quadriceps.”

    http://www.freep.com/article/2.....1050/rss15

    Dontrelle Willis is available in a bad salary for bad salary deal, which means getting back a player who makes nothing could be preferable. Melky straight up might be better than paying Lugo 18 mil to do squat.

    Would you take a flyer on Dontrelle? Its only money, and he’s a Lefty who once upon a time was a great pitcher. Maybe give him a shot out of the pen and see if he picks up some of that lost velocity?

    • Joey H

      For Us you mean right? I wouldn’t but I would love to watch the Yankees tear him up if he lands in beantown

      • Steve

        He’d be in AAA for either team until unless he proves he can pitch in the bigs again.

        and BTW-The Yanks made lefties who had 6+ ERA’s look like 1998 Randy Johnson after the trade to Houston. So don’t be so sure.

        • Steve

          Another thing. Believe it or not, Dontrelle’s still only 26.

        • Joey H

          Don’t we already have a highly paid AAA lefty bust pitcher? Difference between Randy and He is that I think the D-Train was so successful early on because of his deceptive mechanics.

          • Steve

            Look at his stats.

            http://www.baseball-reference......do03.shtml

            The only truly horrendous year he had was last year, and it was only 26 IP. The year before he was bad, but they had changed his mechanics and he wasn’t the same. They smoothed out his delivery, fearing injury and he was far less effective as a result.

            He’s never walked too many guys, even in his off years. Maybe he goes back to his original delivery and drops a lesser pitch and you use him out of the pen.

            • Joey H

              I know Steve, I respect your opinion but I would rather invest the dollar bills in wiser areas.

              • christopher

                look at oliver perez – sometimes these guys can put it together. he certainly has the talent

            • RollingWave

              it was 24 IP because it was 24 truely horrendous IP and it didn’t really get better in the minors (he had fugly K/BB and WHIP) he’s struggles goes way beyond Perez’s, he walked twice as many as he K’d he gave up more runs than he innings pitched , he had a WHIP well over 2.

              I’d take a flier on him, but he cost over 10 M, in a season where we’re hoping to sign two guys worth over 20M each, that seems like a rather luxorious flier to take.

  • Joey H

    Oh Yeah, Rocky 4 is on AMC if anyone cares.

  • mustang

    ‘Justin Tuck’s ridiculous fine. In fact, if someone can convincingly explain to me how this hit managed to generate a $7500 levy, I’ll buy ‘em a beer.”

    And I will buy them a shot. I can’t believe they fine him neither can anyone at my gym Giants fans or not.

  • mustang

    ‘Justin Tuck’s ridiculous fine. In fact, if someone can convincingly explain to me how this hit managed to generate a $7500 levy, I’ll buy ‘em a beer.”

    And I will buy them a shot. I can’t believe they fine him neither can anyone at my gym Giants fans or not.
    If I was him I would send the $7500 in pennies to show them how ridiculous this was.

  • Kevin

    I like the Willis Idea. I floated it on a thread here a while back, nobody liked it. But i think it’s a real smart move. Dontrelle only costs cash and maybe Igawa. It’s worth it, definitely. So I was looking at the Free Agent Market and had a few thoughts on the Yankees.
    We should never sign bad type A free agents. They cost us a draft pick and usually semi good players that sign long term contracts don’t do as well as expected. Also, the Yankees should NEVER sign type A relievers. They cost a draft pick again, and we’ve seen that these investments usually end up poorly and we can efficientally construct a bullpen through other means. (This does not mean we can’t keep Marte, he won’t cost us a draft pick because he would just be resigning).
    The Yankees should focus on speed and offence. Here’s what I think. Most baseball players are good enough athletes that they could be capable of playing multiple positions. Sure, there are some exceptions, but generally ballplayers can play at some different places. Thus, we should put our best athletes on the field always. We can’t ignore defense, but we can certainly play around with it a little bit. Baseball is way to set on who can fill what position in the field. I think we should be more concerned with who can fill which position in the lineup. Here’s a lineup that would look really great on opening day. Not sure exactly how we would accomplish some of these moves, but it’d be cool if we could. (Note. I have Jeter in Cf, BUT i wouldn’t push it on him. Jeter was a huge ripken fan and ripken switched positions for the best of the team. I think Jeter might be willing to do the same if it means it could help the team get another ring.

    SS Rafael Furcal
    CF Derek Jeter
    CF Aaron Rowand
    3B Alex Rodriguez
    C Russell Martin
    1B Jorge Posada
    DH Hideki Matsui
    RF Xavier Nady
    2B Orlando Hudson

    Bench
    C Jose Molina
    Util Willie Bloomquist
    OF Brett Gardner
    1B Juan Miranda

    On the Pitching Front DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT sign Burnett. He’s Pavano all over again. We can’t afford to rick a draft pick and multimillions on such an injury prone player. I say we try to sign CC Sabathia(Duh) and then we make a competitive offer to Ryan Dempster(He’s type A, so we lose a draft pick, but he’s got good stuff. He’s worth it.) We will probably bring back Moose and or Pettitte. They aren’t the greatest investments, but they’re classy guys we can’t just flat out say no to them. Randy Wolf is an average pitcher who could eat some innings. Odalis Perez isn’t great, but he could eat innings and I’d rather see him than sir Sidney. But he and Wolf should only seriously be considered if we strike out on the others. I say the Yanks take a flier on Victor Zambrano, Eric Milton, Mark Prior, and Bartolo Colon. We had Z and Milton this year, so they might be willing to come back. Prior has raw talent and an incentive laden deal would be worth it. Chances are he’ll get injured again, but why not get him if it doesn’t cost much. Colon aint great anymore, but basically my message here is that you can’t have too many arms. I’m not saying we should get all of these guys, but two or three wouldn’t be terrible. Low risk, possibly high reward.
    Rotation would be great if it were
    CC Sabathia
    Joba Chamberlain
    Chien Ming Wang
    Ryan Dempster
    Hughes/IPK/Aceves/Prior/Zambrano/MIlton/Colon/Wolf/Perez
    Hopefully Franchise PHil can contribute, but let’s not count on it. We know what happened last time we had him and IPK slotted into the rotation before the season started.

    • Joey H

      Ok, Pipe dream. How do we get Dempster and why? same with Rowand & Furcal, Where is Posada?

      • Steve

        Playing 1B, where he’s been quoted as saying he doesn’t want to play.

        • Joey H

          Yeah, its exactly that. Where he Doesn’t want to play. He is a mental catalyst in our clubhouse that I do NOT want to piss off.Jorge wants to catch, let the man catch. With all due respect this post was ridiculous. Furcal and then we have to CF’s. And because he was a Cal Ripken fan he will majestically want to move for the sake of his team; as do I see this happening but definitely not next year.

        • christopher

          thought you wanted good Defense – dont see posada fitting the bill and rowand is not worth the money youd have to pay and the prospects to give up.

          i would love to see jeter move to the OF and a healthy younger furcal would be nice there, but he hasnt aged well and gets hurt too much.

          i am not a huge fan of burnett but at most he will cost money and only a 2nd probably a 3rd round pick assuming the yanks sign sabathia and one of Tex/Manny.

          I still love the Swisher idea because he can give you good defense and is a buy-low situation with a decent contract. he can also play OF should the team need it.

          this year we will most likely need to deal with a sub-par OF or at least one with little to no power. I think the OF gets fixed next year as i dont see them getting Manny.

          Offense will not be a stregnth of this team and neither will team defense. they need strike-out pitchers in addition to CC even if that means Burnett

          • Joey H

            See our problem as Yankee fans is that we are in fucking panic mode because of a lack of offense. if we build a team on a solid starting rotation we will be fine with guys like a-rod,nady,jeter,damon, posada and cano. believe me,its more than enough

            • Steve

              Yep, and those championship teams weren’t usually great hitting teams, they were generally built around pitching.

              The 1998 World Series winning team was truly great, but the others had huge holes. The 2000-2001 teams didn’t hit much. The 1996 and 1999 pitching staffs were mediocre, especially 1996.
              2003 was the last time the Yanks were in the top 3 in Team ERA and wouldn’t you know, that was our last WS appearance.

              Pitching, pitching, pitching. I assume the Yanks will find hitters here and there. Its the pitchers we’ve lacked in recent years. I also like that Cash is focused on improving our fielding, which will help the staff as well.

              • Joey H

                The problem is simply this. We are afraid to not go out and get the huge offensive players because if we don’t and we suck, the media and the fans will have Cashman’s head. People are afraid of a gamble.

                • christopher

                  i would always rather gamble on pitching than hitting

                • Joey H

                  that is a very retarded remark. We already gambled on pitching and we didn’t make the playoffs

              • Ivan

                96 and 99 pitching staffs were mediocre?

                96 maybe (Pettitte in his hey day, Cone, Key was solid not great and Rogers well.. Was Rogers) Not great but solid. Their BP was just sick though

                99 I disagree, (Pettitte, Cone was still terrific, El Duke was “El Duke” and Clemens) and still had a good BP with Nelson Stanton and Mo and Mendoza.

                • christopher

                  those teams may not have put up great pitching numbers but they always had big game pitchers and someone would always step up during the seasons. one year even irabu had a great 2 months to carry the team through injuries

                • Steve

                  96 was, absolutely. 5th in the AL in Team ERA and 17th overall. That tells you the AL was far weaker league in pitching back then. They really had no business beating that Braves team with that pitching staff. They were also 9th in the AL in Runs Scored, so mediocre there as well. And Wetland was a walking heart attack in the 9th inning.

                  You’re right about 1999, #2 in team ERA. I must have been thinking of another year.

    • Ron

      Earlier this week, Cash said he wanted a 1st baseman to play 1st base. Jorge has also said he DOESN’T want to play 1st base. Jeter’s current contract is up after the 2010 season. He will NOT move off SS until then.

      This isn’t fantasy baseball. You have to be realistic.

      • Kevin

        Yeah. I know Jorge doesn’t want to play 1st, but do you seriously think he’s capable of catching 120 games? I don’t. I say he’ll start at catcher and get moved at some point. Martin can play 3b too, which means we could put arod at first if we needed to, atlhough thats a lil waste of a great glove.

        • andrew

          i dont think many people are too confident in posada playing 120 games. but what are you even talking about. arod at first? martin at 3rd? im worried about you kevin…

  • Steve

    Cuban’s bid to buy the Cubbies is dead

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3687712

    Too bad, it would have been fun having him as an owner for us fans.

  • http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/fantasy/free_agent/y2008/index.jsp?partnerId=enews_monsterfaf_110708 Joey H

    my link might be fun for some of you.

  • Steve

    LoHud

    “A little bit of news out of the Joe Torre charity event tonight in Manhattan:

    Joe Girardi revealed for the first time that Mike Mussina told him after the season that he planned to retire. He has not heard from Moose since.

    Andy Pettitte, contrary to some reports, said he wants only a one-year deal and he wants only to play for the Yankees. He is hoping a deal gets done soon.”

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....to-retire/

    No surprise here, I just wanted those draft picks like the greedy bastard I am.

    Best wishes on your retirement, Mike. If I had a HOF vote, you’d get mine.

    • Joey H

      Damn it. Oh well, now we can begin to move in a different direction. Moose you will be missed! Thanks for your time and you outstanding and exciting final season!

      • Steve

        Girardi said sometimes older players will change their minds after being away for a while. But Moose not contacting him (despite reports about the Yanks holding up the Pettitte signing to see what he does) tells me that he hasn’t had any second thoughts.

        • Joey H

          I’m actually not ready to turn the page on the moose chapter, I mean if hes ready to retire, whats taking him so long? I say if it doesn’t come in a week then he’s gonna play.

          • Steve

            Yeah, I guess its not official until it comes from him directly. But this looks pretty close.

            • Joey H

              It’s hearsay. Until Moose retires which he very well might, I’m not ruling it out.

              • christopher

                i dont understand why a guy who just won 20 games and is at max 3 years, maybe ven 2 years away from 300 wins would retire.

                with the hall of fame in his sights and off his first 20 win season, he is just going to walk. i have to think he wakes up one morning and says to himself to hell with it I want another chance to win a WS and get into the Hall

                Somebody out there will give him a 2 year deal and if the yanks dont get him on a one year deal, I hope he decides to pitch a couple of more years

  • Joey H

    Meh, What went wrong with LaTroy Hawkins? He gave up 1 run in 21 IP for Huston and just got a deal around 4 million.

    • Steve H

      AL vs NL. Let’s remember that when we discuss Peavy. And on top of it, Hawkins pitches in a hitters park, Peavy pitches in the Grand Canyon.

      • Joey H

        Is AL/NL that big for a relief pitcher?I mean he was incredibly horrible for us and incredibly great for Huston. I get the different for a SP as where they go through an order multiple times a game but a relief pitcher in most cases is in there for 3 or 4 batters.

        • Steve H

          It’s a huge difference. Hawkins was also very good in Colorado the year before. JC Romero couldn’t cut it in the AL, was vital to the Phillies. The list can go on and on. Even if a reliever doesn’t face the pitcher, he’s facing a pinch hitter, ie, someone not good enough to start.

          • Joey H

            Good point of view. There was also talk about how the elevation could have effected his stuff too if you remember.

        • Steve

          You know that spot in the outfield in Minute Maid Park where it juts out on an angle? It just so happens most of his fly balls are hit right there.

          Amazing, isn’t it?

    • pat

      You know what tho? latroy was a class act, he deserves whatever he can get. Just as long as its not from the yankees.

      • Steve H

        Except the fact that he dared wear O’neill’s uniform #!!

  • kenthadley

    does anyone really think that CC will sign with the Yanks just because we offer 10 mil more? he’s going to get over 100 no matter where he signs……if we offer 140 over 6 and LAD offer 120 (Manny aint taking 2-3 years) we lose…….he’ll leave 20 on the table IMO…….we probably have to look at some of the less desirable arms, like Sheets, Penny, Oliver……while we let Hughes and others develop…….I just dont see CC coming to NY………..I think we have a better chance at Tex…….but, of course, this does nothing for the staff…..we may have to go for quantity over quality, if we really mean to spend-away

    • Steve H

      But the players union will certainly be there to nudge CC along, especially if the difference is $20 mil.

      • Ron

        The Players Union will put tremendous pressure on CC to get more than Santana. If another team offers him that, I don’t know how much pressure they will apply to get him to take the Yankees (higher) offer.

        • Steve H

          I still bet they’d pressure him because it affects all other free agent pitchers this year and beyond. If Gil Meche never gets his 5/55, Carlos Silva never gets his 4/48 a few years later.

        • Steve

          I don’t think it will get to that point. The Yanks have made it clear they won’t be outbid, so other GM’s know if they drive up the price it will only cost themselves more in the long run.

          I think the only question with CC is years. If he takes 6, then he has no problem playing here. If it goes 8, he had to have his arm twisted.

          • christopher

            “The Yanks have made it clear they won’t be outbid, so other GM’s know if they drive up the price it will only cost themselves more in the long run.”

            if other GMs are certain the yanks will outbid them then it would make sense for them to drive up the price because they wont being paying it. to that end, i am surprised the red sox arent at least pretedning to want CC just to make the yankees pay that much more

            • Steve

              Nope, that would be extremely short sighted and most GM’s are smarter than that. Salaries are negotiated from the top at that position to the bottom. When you raise the ceiling, you raise the pay grade and eventually wind up paying it yourself. You can even have an instance where your ace now wants a raise or a trade to someone who will give him one, all because somebody else paid some guy a huge sum. Escalating salaries are in nobody’s interest.

    • Joey H

      Wait LAD 6yr/120?

      • kenthadley

        they flipped for Kevin Brown…..IMO if they dont get Manny, they will try to make a splash with CC…..and they have a good chance to get him, west coast, NL, etc…….dont have to be the highest offer….just close enough…..Steve H and Ron have good points, but………

        • Steve H

          Different owner then though. Pockets not as deep. Different GM and farm system too.

    • christopher

      i know we are talking in figures that none of us can even coprehend having (i think), but 20 million is a lot of money even for someone getting 120 million

  • Steve

    This is interesting. Jerry Crasnik polled GM’s to see where they see the off season going. No biggies, but Lowe winning out over Burnett at his age was a bit surprising.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3679627

  • Joey H

    Holy shit my Nets beat the pistons with AI. Devin Harris has 37

  • Old Ranger

    If we can’t land CC, where do we go…AJ, Lowe? Why not Pavano…yes, most of us don’t like him, but the guy can pitch better then AJ/Lowe. Give him an incentive filled contract and go with it. No, ok!
    AJ had health problems for one big reason…he pitched with to much energy. When one uses all their energy on every pitch, they tend to break down…he learned that lesson and pitched more innings this year. Maybe he has turned the corner on keeping himself healthy…if so, sign him he too can pitch.
    Let us not forget Giese, as long man or 5th starter he would be better then avg.
    CC
    CMW
    A.J./Pavano
    Joba
    Phil/Giese/IPK/many others. 27/09.

    • Reggie C.

      Ridiculous. “the guy can pitch better then AJ/Lowe” … wtf??

      • christopher

        huh?

        how can say pavano is the better pitcher and in the same post point out that burnett has health issues?

        lowe has aged very well and is better now than the last time we saq him regularly and dont forget what he did the last time he pitched for the Sox in the post season

        if this team goes into the season with that rotation than you will need to start ending your posts with 27/10.

        • Old Ranger

          Hay, you two (and others) may think it is far fetched but…it makes as much sense as trading Phil or IPK (maybe both) plus half of our AAA+ pitchers for a front line pitcher. And signings of guys like Manny and Dunn isn’t a good idea but, it has been advocated by many.
          One should look at all ways to make the team better, CC is not a given.
          Until the games are played one never knows, remember 20 game winner Moose, who knew? 27/09.

  • Andy In Sunny Daytona

    Ian Kennedy had 4 no hit innings tonite in the Puerto Rican League. He had 5 strike outs and 3 walks.

  • christopher

    speaking of taking a flier on guy:

    Brad Penny to a 1 year deal with an option while he rehabs as they did with lieber – NOT as they did with Dotel where they paid him to rehab in their facilities and sharpen his game for a year so he could go somewhere else

    same for mark prior, but possibly with the intention of transforming him into a reliever maybe a future cloer. not sure if he would consider that as last year i remember him being aweful cocky and demanding for a guy who was injured almost his entire career, but it may be worth a shot for him to make something of his career.

    any thoughts on if the yanks would do that or if the players would do that

    • Reggie C.

      Brad Penny is intriguing but he should be healthy entering this season. A physical would obviously determine whether he’s fully healed but last i heard he was okay. He’s not much of a strikeout pitcher for someone who’s got his kind of velocity, but Penny could be somebody who’d be a very good 3/4 on an AL contender.

      I highly doubt another team doesn’t offer Penny a 3 yr deal. Penny has put up some good years.

    • Ed

      Lieber was recovering from Tommy John surgery. Elbow surgery has been practically perfected, to the point that it’s extremely rare for a player to not recover ok from it.

      However, Penny and Prior have shoulder issues. Recovering from shoulder problems is a crapshoot. The doctor usually has no idea how well the recovery will go.

      I don’t know how significant Penny’s injury was, so I don’t have a clue how risky he would be. For Prior, I’d be amazed if he ever amounts to anything again. He’s had so many issues with his shoulder that I’d be amazed he could ever come close to what he was before.

  • Reggie C.

    Let me just say this saturday morning, that MLBTR has got the Rangers’s exercising of Blalock’s option as its latest story. He’s still a possible trade chip for a team looking for a 1B, such as the Yanks.

    Stay away from him Cashman. Don’t even call the Rangers. I looked at his stat sheet and though impressive , it appears to me that Blalock and STEROIDS should be investigated. Monster start to his career that’s gotten derailed by injuries. It was the offensive / steroid hey-day in baseball. He’s not the same player and he’s not even 28 yet.

    • andrew

      well the fact of the matter is blalock not being 28 should help his case, right? he should still be improving i would guess
      and yea hes had an injury laden career, but when hes been healthy he’s produced… again, hes plan c after tex and swisher for me

      • Bruno

        If Blaylock came in a package with Salty/Teagarden for IPK, Marquez, Melky, & another arm not named Phil Hughes I’d be all for it!