Nov
04

Meeting notes: Giambi, Pavano, Sabathia

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Just a couple of notes to take you into the Election Night proceedings:

  • The Yankees have declined the $13 million option for Carl Pavano and the $22 million option for Jason Giambi, according to Mark Feinsand. There’s a chance, albeit slim, that the Yankees could look to retain one or both, but on more team-friendly terms. They’ll pay Pavano $1.95 million to buy him out, Giambi $5 million.
  • The team did not, however, announce anything regarding Damaso Marte‘s $6 million option for 2009. While it has been speculated that they will decline it, indications are that the team is looking to sign him to a different deal, one that likely spans multiple years. Worst case, they offer him arbitration and net a couple of draft picks.
  • According to Ken Davidoff, the Yankees have had “very preliminary” discussions with the agents for CC Sabathia. This is no big deal of course, certainly no bigger than A.J. Burnett opting out of his contract. The Yanks are expected to make an offer exceeding the contract of Johan Santana (six years, $137.5 million with a $25 million club option for 2014).
Categories : Hot Stove League
  • dan

    Anyone think they’ll go more than 6 years on Sabathia? I hope they don’t.

  • Bill R

    I wonder why they would not make a decision on marte yet go ahead and make one on giambi and pavano?

    • Mike Pop

      Marte is a keeper

    • christopher

      buyng negotiation time

  • Mike Pop

    Matt Holliday showed up at the meetings

  • Ivan

    7-Years 140M for Sabathia?

    • Mike Pop

      Id rather do 5 or 6 for 140

      • Ivan

        I’d doubt he take 5 year deal. Maybe 6 though. 6-Years at 150M?

        • Mike Pop

          a 5 yr deal at 28 mill per ? lol hes gotta take that hed be the highest paid player in the league.. Arod averages 27.5 without incentives. If he turn that down its nuts

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            Hopefully they’re smart enough to front load it like A-Rod’s deal. That way they pay him more when he’s producing in his prime, and less when we’re complaining that his defense has regressed to Giambian levels and he should learn to lay down a bunt towards third to beat the shift after having to quit batting right-handed because of all the knee surgeries.

            • steve (different one)

              i think they’d backload it, just to keep the payroll down in 2009 and 2010, and it would go up when Jeter, Mariano, Posada, start to come off the payroll.

              • A.D.

                If they frontload it, they’ll have redic salary room when those contracts come off

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                True, but they could probably afford to frontload it with the New Stadium set to be a cash cow.

            • Joey H

              Yeah my heart can take the “highest paid position player” and soon to be ” highest paid pitcher” speeches from Yankee haters.

      • Mike R.

        You do realize that it makes 0 sense to prefer 5 years over 7 years when talking about the sane amount of money don’t you? There is no way to financially support the argument.

        • pat

          Umm except if he gets hurt in the 4th year you’d only have him on payroll one more year instead of 3. its not the amount of money thats the issue it is the term in which you are paying it.

          • Mike R.

            You front load the contract and pay him 1 million a year the last two years. If he gets hurt in year 4 you are losing the same amount of money with a 5 year deal than you would with a 7 year deal. The only difference is how it is paid.

            • pat

              Except no matter how frontloaded a deal is no athlete or agent would ever agree to play for 1 million dollars a year. They take the 4 big money years then go sign a new contract. If you think a player is an injury risk you sign them to a shorter term deal that way in year 6 or 7 you’re not stuck paying them a boatload of money to be on the dL and take up a roster spot or whatever scenario happens. Its not really the price that is the sticking point it’s the ability to clear the money off the payroll if a player gets hurt.

              • A.D.

                what roster spot? If he’s that hurt you can 60 day DL him

                • pat

                  You’re definitely right about that but the point stands. You dont wanna pay someone to sit on the bench or the dl or to not be hurt enough to go to the dl but miss a few starts and generally be a pain in the ass.

          • A.D.

            It still makes no sense, your paying him the same amount, if hes hurt who cares, its just something fans get mad at.

            On top of that there is no salary cap, so that doesn’t matter and if you spread it out with inflation & the time value of money, forget about the time your paying him less per year its still cheaper.

        • Steve H

          Totally agree. I would have rather had Pavano for 6/40 than 4/40. Then there’d still be a chance we get something out of him. And CC after 5 will be 33, so if he’s still good, very plausible, now he’s looking for another 4-5 year deal. Yet if you had him at 7, you’d still have 2 more years and he’d hit the market again at 35.

          • christopher

            did i read that correctly? you would give a guy who woould be luckiy to get a 1 year 2 million contract? if he wants to stays then let him take a 1 year 2 million deal w/ incentives and maybe a vesting option for the second year

  • Mike Pop

    Then do a 15 yr 100 mill deal on Tex.. He’s looking for security right ?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Rick DiPietro style. Although I suspect Tex will get more than $67.5M.

      • Mike Pop

        Would you give him a 15 yr deal lol.. for like 110

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Heh, no way.

        • Reggie C.

          Is that a joke?

          • Mike Pop

            Obviously

            • christopher

              lifetime contract – wakefield style

  • Ivan

    I will say this, in concern with CC, at least the CC situation is gonna be relatively over and doesn’t drag out which is quite good.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Or so we hope.

      • Steve

        Gammons says that CC Sabathia has told friends he doesn’t want to play in New York.

        http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....mons_peter

        There have also been reports that he has asked a friend if he could hook him up with his sister and asked others to get him a beer from the fridge.

        None of this has been confirmed by his agent, however.

        • Joey H

          Yeah thats expected for that cocksucker Gammons to say.

          • christopher

            in the same article he also says he expects him to sign with the yankees

            • Joey H

              Yeah to cover his ass.

        • Steve H

          Gammons, Theo’s bed buddy trying to drive up the price for the Yankees? Never could happen, right??

          • Joey H

            My point exactly. My guess is this person doesn’t know what paper Peter writes for.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              I heard Gammons was livid that AJ Burnett tried to upstage the election by announcing he’ll opt-out while the polls were still open.

              • Joey H

                Haha.

              • Steve

                He’s right to be upset. Lets face it, its bad for horse racing.

        • Tim

          I heard that his friend’s sister is hot.

  • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

    Very happy that Giambi and Pavano are no longer part of the New York Yankees.

    Giambi can go back to the A’s and have fun with his PED trainer buddy they just rehired.

    Pavano can buy a ticket if he wants to go to another Yankees game.

    The Marte thing is smart. Wait him out or work out a multi year for less $. Or just give him arb and wait to get those two picsk. Any way that works out I am happy about.

    • steve (different one)

      Very happy that Giambi and Pavano are no longer part of the New York Yankees.

      neither of these things are certain.

      just sayin’…

  • Ivan

    Hey Mike, in that NHL 09 game, did ya win the SC?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      No, I got bounced in the second round in 5 games by Carolina, who went on the win the Cup. I’m about 50 games into my second season, and I’m dead last in the Eastern Conference.

      EA put out a patch to correct some glitches, and one of the things it changed was the sensitivity of the stick used for shot aiming. So now instead of the shot going to the corners of the net when holding the stick all the way to the corner, it goes wide. It’s freaking impossible to score now.

      • Ivan

        Well at least you made the second round.

        Nevertheless, your fuckin up the rangers.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Yeah yeah, I know. I’m going to be in total sell mode once the deadline comes; I have to get out from under Gomez’s & Roszival’s salaries. I have like, $400,000 of cap space.

          • Ivan

            You should pull a Gearge Steinbrenner and try to get Sidney Crosby at all cost.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              I definitely have the pieces to trade, and I could make cap room rather easily, but I’m not sure how much he’d help. I need more depth; my third and fourth lines contribute nothing offensively. More team speed and guys who don’t get knocked off the puck easily would go a long way towards improving my team.

              • Mike Pop

                bring back Mike Modano

  • Joey H

    Hey Mike, Did you see the Pete Abe live web cam blog/chat thing today? I was home sick so I got to.If you didn’t check it out I’m sure its in his archives. Is it possible for you to do something like that? It clearly makes answering questions easier and more efficient.

    • Ivan

      Hey Mike would you ever think of doing a video chat alla Pete Abe Today?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Is that sarcastic? And no, I haven’t seen it.

      • Joey H

        No, its not. In fact i think it was a good idea. Just wonder if you felt so too.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          I’d have to get a camera first. But it’s something we’ll look into if people like it.

          • Joey H

            Yeah around 30 bucks in target or something.

          • Tim

            I am not sure. It was kind of weird watching him read the questions and then ramble. I think that the live chat format that you have going works well.

            • Joey H

              It does but you get to answer a lot faster and in more description. Not to knock on mike but he takes kinda long answering the questions.

            • greg

              i agree with tim

              • Mike Pop

                I 3rd this.. And Pete Abe is just a bit weird for me to look at in general… Why does Nomaas hate him ?

              • Joey H

                Ever thing Mike isn’t as horrible on the eyes as Pete abe is?

  • Ivan

    If the Yanks do sign CC, I wonder what would Lupica would say? I mean he said it was alright for the Mets to Johan, maybe just maybe it could be iight for us? Nah.

    • Steve H

      Lupica the Sox fan.

      • Ivan

        Nah. He’s more a Met fan. He’s like close friends with the Wipons.

        • pat

          Hes like ,He likes to think hes close friends with the Wipons.

          • Steve

            The only thing he’s close to is the ground. Like 4’10” or something.

            What is the cutoff for Dwarf/Midget status?

    • Joey H

      Do not trust these guys. Unless you know they are not bias. Personally the only blogger I can take seriously is Olney. Dierkes is up there to.

  • Matt M.

    Dimaggio’s “I want to thank the good lord for making me a yankee”

    will probably transform into

    CC’s “I want to thank Benjamin Franklin for making me a yankee”

    …whatever, i’ll take it

    • Joey H

      Money talks.

  • Joey H

    Today is such an exciting day. Lotsa Trade rumors, the election. Its a crazzzzy day.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    The Dodgers are going to decline Penny’s contract. That’s a guy you have to go after.

    • Reggie C.

      I’d rather go for his girlfriend .. Eliza Dushku.

    • A.D.

      agreed

    • Ivan

      Freeing up space for CC or Peavy?

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Yeah, I remembered contemplating his acquisition when I was trying to figure out if the Yankees actually needed a front-line starter through free agency (if Mike Mussina and Andy Pettitte both return).

      This team’s defense severely skewed the perception of their pitching. The Yankees were the sixth-worst squad in terms of Defensive Efficiency, that just can’t happen.

      • Steve

        Anyone know why he doubled his ERA from 2007(3.03) to 2008(6.27) and was demoted to the bullpen in a year where he appeared to be healthy?

        He was also very unhappy about it, and made it clear he had no intention of returning to the team at the end of the season. Doesn’t sound like he was hurt to me.

        • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

          He had some shoulder issues throughout this season. He was unhappy because the Dodgers did not pick up Penny’s 2009 option in the spring (rightly so).

          • Steve

            Shoulders are tricky. If he needs surgery, he could very well be finished. I’d stay away.

    • Mike Pop

      Def maybe for 2 or 3 mill why not right

    • christopher

      he now surfaces as another option as the “second” pitcher with AJ sheets and lowe, but he is a huge injury risk.

      if he signs with a contender his health could very well play a major role in the races – good or bad…personally i wouldnt touch with a 10 foot pole

    • Steve H

      Maybe we can get him, AJ, and bring back Pavano. Willis could be had too, we can recreate the 2003 WS Champions, except for the one I’d actually want of course.

  • Murph1010

    I thought they weren’t allowed to talk to player’s agents until a certain date. And I thought only the team free agents’ played on last year could negotiate with them right now

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      It’s weird. The player can only talk to the team he played for last year for the first 15 days after the WS ends. After that they can talk to anyone. Sergio Mitre was cut midseason, so this didn’t apply to him.

      • Baseballnation

        That’s why we love them and we hate them-

  • Mike Pop

    Man Obama is raping McCain

    • Joey H

      and call me gay for this but BOY am i loving every last minute of it.

      • Mike Pop

        lol

      • Steve

        Good luck to President Obama, he’s going to need it.

        Estimates are he will be looking at upwards of a TRILLION dollar deficit his first year in office. CBO figures just released yesterday have this year at 550 billion, and that was just at the beginning of the recession, before the stocks crashed and credit market froze up. Next years numbers will almost certainly be much worse.

        BTW-That’s deficit, not debt. The Feds take in around 2.5 trillion and spend around 2.75 trillion annually, leaving a roughly 250+ billion deficit. With tax receipts plummeting along with the economy he’s walking into a train wreck. Don’t expect him to do much his first year, there’s no money.

        • Mike Pop

          I apologize I forgot about the no political talk on this site.. I am sorry for that but I thought it would be closer

        • pat

          THANKS GW!!!

        • Joey H

          Well. I will address this once and only once. Debt all you want. You build a country from the bottom up. Vote who you want to vote for, that’s your personal liberty. But nobody can put us in anymore debt economically,socially and with American lives more than George W Bush. Or should I call him governor bush because that’s the only public office he ever legally held. Simply put, 4 years of John McCain is 12 years total of bush. Time for change this great country needs to be great again. That’s all i have to say.

          • Steve

            This recession is worldwide, not just here. Its actually worse in places like Brazil and parts of Asia right now.

            • Joey H

              I promised not to address it again unless they make some sort of a thread out of it. So if you are looking for me to go back and forth with you, look else where, this isn’t a politics forum, and out of the respect for the guys who run this site I will not engage in anymore politics chat.

              • Steve

                I’m not looking for anything. You made a statement and I responded. If you really want to drop it, then don’t reply to this post.

                • Joey H

                  Funny, You actually are the one who came and started this RAB McCain campaign on a joke that I made. So…. Yeah…

            • pat

              the recession is worldwide because it started in the financial epicenter of the modern world- NYC

          • Mike Pop

            I see your point but I dont agree he is the same as Bush

  • Mike Pop

    Anyone see how Boras says Varitek deserves Posada money because when hes in the lineup they win 60% of the time

    • Joey H

      Well. It’s a total joke he says that but as an agent its your job to get your clientele the most money you could. However Tek is no where worth this money. Posada injury aside, which Posada was over paid for a catch his age, I would take him over Tek at that price and length any time.

  • Larry

    what’s with the discussions for Orlando Hudson? and to go to center field……Is that a setup for a Cano deal? For Peavy (he added NYY to his trade list today).

    • Joey H

      No way Cano gets traded. In fact i think the whole O-Dogg thing is hogwash. Unless we put Cano in center which I’m sure cash doesn’t want to do, this wont happen.

  • Steve

    Repeat after me

    Senator Al Franken

    SENATOR Al Franken.

    Senator AL FRANKEN

    I can just see him on the floor of the Senate. Dear Lord.

  • hoosierdaddy

    El Duque is available.. 7th or 8th inning guy cheap pick up? oh i guess obama won.. talk about luxury tax..