Open Thread: Dandy Andy the Dodger?


Via MLBTR, free agent southpaw Andy Pettitte has had numerous conversations with ex-manager Joe Torre recently, reportedly about the possibility of joining the Dodgers’ rotation. Pettitte’s already said that he wants to return to the Yanks in 2009, but speculation is that he may be feeling slighted by the way the Yanks are slowly approaching a potential return.

I remember the feeling back in 2004, that “dude, Andy’s not going anywhere, chill out” attitude. It was a bit surprising to see Pettitte head home to Houston, and it wasn’t until he was gone that you realized just how important he was. Sure, he put up a 6.23 ERA in the second half and turned opposing hitters into Raul Ibanez thanks to a .835 OPS against, but he’s still valuable as a rotation stalwart because of his supreme durability and fearlessness.

Regardless of who the Yanks sign this offseason, Pettitte’s return is important for more reasons than we may understand. He brings a veteran presence to the back of the rotation, he’s a lock for 200+ league average or better innings, and there’s no adjustment period. Work it out, I’m sure he’d be cool taking a little pay cut from the $16M he’s earned the past two years, say $12M or so. Don’t let him leave again; as we learned back in ’04 the only guy that can replace Andy is … Andy.

Here’s your open thread for the evening. Talk Pettitte, LeBron at the Garden, whatever. Just play nice.

Update (7:15pm): Before anyone asks, Pettitte is a Type-A free agent, so if he did head to SoCal the Yanks would get the Dodgers first round pick (#17 overall, the second best pick they could possibly get) and a sandwich rounder.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. mustang says:

    Damn, I could not agree with you more about Andy.
    DEAD ON !!!!!!!!!

  2. My lucky bastard friend met LeBron tonight. Arrghh!

  3. Mike Pop says:

    Ya we cant let him leave.. I love him and his big schnoz

  4. Bill O says:

    Re-signing Andy should’ve been a no brainer from the day he said he wanted back. There’s really no reason to wait on this. Make him an offer don’t wait on this.

  5. Scott of 3 Kids Tickets says:

    I was saying that the last time everyone was complaining about $16 mil. Who cares how much the Yankees pay people. They can’t raise your ticket prices mid season…lol

    Andy was missed before. Give him the same chance you gave Moose to come back and prove himself a winner. Let him go out a Yankee. He deserves it.


  6. Mike Pop says:

    If your the mets do you give up Heilman and Feliciano for Huston Street ? I would simply because Heilman doesnt want to be there because he isnt starting and they wont start him plus Feliciano is alright and all but Id give up both for Huston… Maybe go out and sign Beimel or Arthur Rhodes to replace Feliciano.. Then still bring in one of Fuentes/K-Rod/Wood

    • Mike A. says:

      You could probably get Colorado to throw in a mid-level prospect too. No one flashy.

      Street > Heilman, and Feliciano is easily replaced by Arthur Rhodes or Joe Beimel

    • Ivan says:

      Persoanlly I would just sign a closer like Wood or Fuentes and just keep Heilman or Feliciano. Bullpens are so wierd that I can see Heilman having a bounce back season. Persoanlly, I think Heilman has a very good arm and really should be in the bullpen cuz he doesn’t have the repretoire to be a starter. I can see Heilman having a good season for the mets.

      • Mike Pop says:

        Idk if a guy is saying start me or trade me and you have no intention of starting him I think its best off you trade him

        • Steve H says:

          You tell him to shut his damn mouth and play, or at least shut his mouth so he doesn’t kill his own trade value. He’s Aaron freaking Heilman, I don’t think his words carry too much weight.

      • A.D. says:

        If I’m Minaya I take that trade… your team is built to win now, and you issue is the bullpen, sign a big free agent pen arm & trade for Street.. bam you’ve sured that up.

    • BUCK FOSTON says:

      mets…wtf…go to flushing blues…

  7. ko says:

    The Orioles are appearing a lot closer in the rear view mirror.

    • steve (different one) says:

      OH NOES!!1!!!

    • Accent Shallow says:

      They are? How?

      Even with Wieters likely making an appearance, they still don’t have the pitching.

      • They have several very good pitching prospects on the way… they’re not as far away as it may seem. They could make a Tampa Rays-like burst back to relevance with a few savvy free agent acquisitions and a year or two of seasoning.

        • Accent Shallow says:

          Tillman looks pretty impressive, but he’s at least a year away. I don’t think Matusz has even pitched in the minors yet, other than the AzFL. Everyone else is even further away.

          Sure, we could see Tillman this year, but how likely is it he makes an impact?

          I read that comment as “look out for the Orioles in ’09″, not “look out, the Orioles’ system is improving.” If it’s the latter, then I can’t disagree there too much. The former, I take issue with, mainly due to the lack of pitching. (Of course, Guthrie could improve, Daniel Cabrera could finally figure shit out, and Tillman could make the impact that Hughes failed to make in ’07. Then we might be in trouble.)

  8. Matt M. says:

    that draft pick combo does sound enticing…but we need pettitte if we want to have some semblance of depth. if we werent moving into a new stadium and werent the yankees. the wise thing to do would be to let him walk, deal with a rotation patched with youngsters and take our lickings for the year while setting ourselves up for the future.

    but thats not a reality. we need pettitte to be our reliable man preventing our acquisition of the ponsons of the world

  9. Jake K. says:

    I have no doubt that Andy could help the Yankees this year. But, given the age of this club and the draft picks we are likely to lose by signing other free agents, I wouldn’t be crushed if we wound up with the Dodgers’ picks instead.

  10. AndrewYF says:

    The last time Andy left, the Yankees got Phil Hughes, and Andy got injured and pitched 83 innings.

  11. Chris says:

    Of course, if the Dodgers sign a higher rated type-A, then we don’t get their first round pick.

  12. Ivan says:

    I hope LeBron score like 50/10/10 and the Knicks win by 1pt.

  13. Ivan says:

    Come on Robinson, how you gonna miss that dunk.

  14. leo says:

    Oh God it’s like the 2003 offseason again. :(

  15. LeftyLarry says:

    Andy will probably bounce back next year and have a solid season.He was under a lot of pressure from the Steroids deal with Clemens and himself and clearly was not in top shape when he came in last year, I think that hurt him in the second half.
    All that being said, I’d rather have 2 draft picks and see if we could trade some guys using some of the prospects who are probably over rated.
    Wonder if a Scot Kazmir could be had by trade.
    They will have money problems pretty soon as will almost EVERY team in this recession.
    I’d rather load up on draft picks and trade for some solid starters using guys who are probably over rated like Austin Jackson, Kennedy, maybe Hughes, Cervelli and some of the lower level studs who don’t really have positions.
    You get zero when Andy retires next season but the 2 picks could replace giving up 2-3 solid prospects almost ready but not really needed.
    Then you have a starting pitcher and the farm system is still strong if you pick smart for the future and Yanks will have the Bucks and a good argument to sign kids afraid the dynamics might change financially during this depression.

    • steve (different one) says:

      They will have money problems pretty soon as will almost EVERY team in this recession.
      I’d rather load up on draft picks and trade for some solid starters using guys who are probably over rated like Austin Jackson, Kennedy, maybe Hughes, Cervelli and some of the lower level studs who don’t really have positions.

      good call. if a team is going to have money problems, they should definitely trade all of their cheap, young players.

      • LeftyLarry says:

        Not Yankees, , other teams in smaller markets.
        You miss the point.

        • A.D. says:

          Kazmir is signed below what he could get on the market until 2012… and the Rays are a contender, he’s going no where.

          Rays would wait to potentially leverage him if Crawford & Pena are gone after 2010, and thus they had a need. Plus then they’d probably have Wade & Hellickson ready

        • steve (different one) says:

          i was responding to this:

          “They will have money problems pretty soon as will almost EVERY team in this recession.”

          did you mean Tampa? my bad.

    • Mike Pop says:

      Lol Scott Kazmir is probably available…

  16. A.D. says:

    Basically as long as Andy pitches next season its a win, either a nice 1st roung draft pick OR a solid starter…just don’t retire!

    • leo says:

      they don’t necessarily keep the pick, if you sign type a free agents your compensation picks from lost players go to the other teams.

    • leo says:

      er hit post comment too soon–i meant the picks start going to other teams, so instead of a second round pick someone else gets that pick for pettitte or abreu if you sign a second type a and so on.

  17. A.D. says:

    Well this is too bad:

    Royals outfielder David DeJesus also interests the Cubs, but the source has the impression Dayton Moore would have to be overwhelmed to trade him. There seems a good chance DeJesus stays put this winter

  18. Trevor says:

    Please, I would be more then glad to take the 17th pick. You know if that happened the Yankees have the potential to have 4 first round picks.

    Abreu- sounds like he’s headed to the Cubs.
    Gerrit Cole- compensation for not signing him
    Yankees- this is probably unlikely being I’m sure the Yankees will sign a type A FA and have their first rounder taken away. But if they some how don’t…
    Pettitte- Dodgers?

    • A.D. says:

      If only Moose had signed elsewhere instead of retirement

      • Mike Pop says:

        You guys are really overvaluing draft picks… Its not like we have one in the top 10.. These guys can be great but more likely than not your not going to get many guys who can pottentially help your MLB squad.. But I guess the more picks you got the better chance you got to get our next Pettite

  19. YankCrank20 says:

    Draft picks are nice guys, they really are. But you have no clue if they are going to work out and be major leaguers. We know what Andy can do, we need his 200 innings next year and we will already have a number of picks. I’m surprised to see so many Yankee fans preferring Andy to go away just so we can get another draft pick.

    • A.D. says:

      I don’t think they’re preferring, they’re just taking the silver lining

    • Jake K. says:

      No, most draft picks don’t pan out. But free agency is no guarantee either. A team can’t be successful over the long term without developing its own players. Last year’s draft was not a good one for us. A big draft haul this year would do the team’s long-term future a lot of good.

    • steve (different one) says:

      We know what Andy can do,

      isn’t this part of the problem? we kindof DON’T know what he will do next year.

      that said, i think they should bring him back unless they are 100% sure they are getting Sabathia AND another FA pitcher.

      i think i could live with Sabathia, Burnlowesheets, Wang, Joba, Hughes + the 17th pick in the draft.

      but that is getting greedy perhaps. sign Pettitte.

  20. This is really tough to hear. I think that it might not be a bad thing to get draft picks for him. They’re going to lose draft picks if they sign Sabathia or some other big name starter. I thought they could get picks for Mussina, but he retired. They might get some for Abreu and probably won’t get anything for Giambi or Pudge.

  21. Trevor says:

    Draft picks put your farm system together. Without them you have no system. Sure there’s International FA but that’s not really something you rely on to build up your system. The primary source of building a system is the draft.
    As far picks not working out. Well of course the whole thing is a crap-shoot. but that doesn’t mean you should have a ‘i don’t give a damn about draft picks’ attitude. Also scouting plays a big role too in selecting the right prospect.
    The more picks you have the better chances you have of someone working out.
    I wouldn’t be so quick to poo poo draft picks.

  22. BigBlueAL says:

    Why do I get this feeling that this is goin to be one helluva looooong off-season for the Yankees?? I hope Im wrong, and lord knows its waaay to early for pessimism, but still it seems like if we dont somehow sign CC we will wind up wasting money on pitchers we shouldnt like we did in the winter of 2004 with Pavano and Wright plus trading for the Big Unit.

    Obviously I hope Im wrong, but if they dont sign CC or therefore Tex to at least improve the offense dramatically if we cant improve the rotation with CC, this isnt going to be a very productive off-season. And NO getting extra stupid 1st-round picks wont make it any better….

    • steve (different one) says:

      there is a huge difference between Wright and Burnett/Lowe/Sheets.

      Wright was a bad pitcher and everyone knew he would suck the day he signed. Burnett/Lowe/Sheets are GOOD pitchers.

      they may want too much money, but they are still good pitchers. Wright was never going to be a good signing, ever.

    • Steve says:

      Al, its November. Don’t jump off any bridges just yet, buddy.

      If we were to sign Sheets (who I prefer over Lowe/Burnett) swing a deal for Peavy (who’s price is dropping every day) and go sign Tex, would you really be all that upset?


      Even as a Plan C, that’s still a better and deeper than the Red Sox rotation of Beckett-Dice K-Lester-Masterson-Wakefield is.

  23. ortforshort says:

    The draft picks will come in handy when they finally reach the majors in five, six years – they’ll help pull us out of the cellar where we’ll have been for several years. But the good news will be that the payroll will be under 100 million and no long term contracts on the books.

  24. Joseph M says:

    Brian better watch himself here, the Yanks are no cinch to get CC, and what happens if while chasing he loses Andy and CC signs somewhere else. Does anyone want to see the Yanks have to humble themselves and give AJ a 5 year deal.

  25. A.D. says:

    Gotta wonder if the asking price for Street is Heilmann and Feliciano, why more teams wouldn’t be knocking at the door… Rays, Angels, Cards, Indians, Rangers, Brewers could all use a closer

  26. Trevor says:

    If there’s no Sabathia the Yankees are going to go in a different direction. and not for the better imo.

    • BigBlueAL says:

      If not signing CC means signing Tex than that is OK. If not signing CC means overspending to sign Burnett/Lowe and NOT improve the offense significantly by signing Tex, they are in trouble.

  27. Steve says:

    Mike, if Andy was to leave and we get the #17 pick for him, wouldn’t that be the highest pick we’ve ever had since the last time he left in 2004? And if I remember correctly, that was the pick we used to get Phil Hughes.

  28. C.Panella says:

    Ok please dont get me wrong here guys but ive noticed a lot of you guys on here are very draft happy…Dont get me wrong the draft is very very important but when it comes to doing a life time yankee a solid and letting him go out the way he wants is MUCH more important for him and the team…He will be a great guy to keep in the back of the rotation bring him back and do the right thing enough about letting him walk and getting a pick for him jeese this is pettitte guys not ponson

    • A.D. says:

      No one has said the Yankees should let Andy go so they can get the picks… they’ve only said not the worst thing ever if he does, and we do get a first round draft pick

      • Steve H says:

        And long term, a 1st round pick might be better than 1 year of Andy anyway even if it doesn’t pan out. Like mentioned above, we turned CJ Henry into Abreu. Even though it was a blown pick and Henry sucked, he still had some value to get us Abreu.

      • steve (different one) says:

        eh, i hope the fact that Pettitte is a “lifetime yankee” isn’t a big part of their decision at all.

        the decision should really be whether or not they think Pettitte will give them 200 innings at/above a league average ERA or not. if so, bring him back.

        i think he IS capable of doing that, so i think they should bring him back. but after his second half, it’s not like it’s a slam dunk.

        if they don’t think he can do that, they should let him walk, regardless of who he is or how well he pitched in the WS 12 years ago.

  29. Trevor says:

    Signing Burnett is not going to take this rotation to another level like signing CC will. You can’t honestly count on him to be healthy and live up to that contract he’s asking for. His biggest seasons have been when he’s either a FA, or has and option. That’s no coincidence. Where ever he signs he’ll be living on the DL. You’re really not going to see much of him. His history shows this. The Yankees should stay away, it’s really not a wise investment.

  30. A.D. says:

    If shit really hit the fan and we get no one, then at least we get younger:

    Wang 29
    Joba 23
    Hughes 23
    IPK 24
    Aceves 26

  31. Trevor says:

    A.D., If no CC I definitely see that happening. They just would have to go really young. And fans are going to learn how to be patient. Also the bright spot is there are other prospects who are pretty close with higher upside then those you listed. If no Sabathia then I am anxious to see more likely in 2010 these guys:


    I can see Garcia (if he can finally stay on the field) competing for a job in the rotation in ST 2010. He certainly has the stuff to very good.
    McAllister is pretty polished but he’s more of a number 3 type starter.
    My favorite pitching prospect is Betances. I believe he has the highest upside. Would love to see him in the rotation in the foreseeable future.

    Garcia ……………….anyone?

    • Steve says:

      Ladies and Gentlemen . . . . welcome your 2010 Kansas City Royals!!!

    • Chip says:

      Those are all very high-upside guys but there’s no way any of them start on the 2010 squad out of spring training unless Garcia is in the bullpen maybe.
      Garcia is too far away and has been hurt
      McAllister is only 19 or 20 and hasn’t pitched in AA yet
      Brackman is coming off TJS and will struggle with command just like every other super tall pitcher does.
      Betences already struggles with command like every tall pitcher and hasn’t pitched in AA

      Of that group, I could see Brackman/Garcia getting a cup of tea in the big leagues in September just because they’re on the 40 man already

      I’d would say you have a better shot with Phil Coke starting in 2010 (who I think is incredibly underrated as a starter) just because he’s left-handed, doesn’t walk many, will start at AAA and already showed he can get big leagers out

    • A.D. says:

      Hacker & Wright… while a bit older put together nice years in the minors last year

  32. A.D. says:

    Can the Yanks still make a 40 man roster move and protect for Rule V… perhaps remove Britton, and get Cox on the 40 man

  33. Steve says:

    If the Yanks are cool on Andy, there may very well be a good reason for it.

    Andy did have something going on with his shoulder late last year. He pitched through it, but they examined him at the end of the season so they should know what’s going on in there. Often times shoulder injuries don’t get better until they’re operated on, and even the operations can be tricky.

    Just a guess, but at his age he’s a risky sign to begin with. You never know when he’s going to start losing it. Actually, we may very well have seen the beginning of the end for Andy in the second half of this season.

    I want Andy back, but I can’t kill them if he goes. We can safely assume they have info we don’t.

  34. Chip says:

    If the Yankees were to sign both CC and Sheets, then I’m not opposed to losing Pettite. The only thing is, we need to know very soon because the deadline to offer arbitration is approaching. I’d be very surprised if he signed with another team before that deadline and would obviolusly accept arbitration from us and end up with another 16 million dollar contract.

    Either way, the only way we could get the #17 pick is if Pettite signed before the arbitration deadline which the Dodgers would be stupid to do. It’s essentially giving up your first round pick in order to sign him a week earlier.

    • A.D. says:

      Yankees would likely offer arb, and he won’t necessarily get the same contract since he performed worse than the previous year

    • Steve says:

      Why? Are you that worried that Andy would accept arbitration?

      If the Yanks offered it to him, but made it clear that they really don’t want him back, then he would most likely decline the offer. And that presumes that there isn’t a clause in his contract where its already been agreed upon that its automatic he declines.

      I wonder about arbitration for Yankee players who were signed by other teams (Abreu). But for players signed by the Yanks, with the money they pay for FAs, I think they can put an automatic decline clause in the deal.

    • Steve H says:

      If we get CC and Sheets/Lowe/Burnett, I absolutely don’t want Pettitte back. In that case, he’d be our #4/#5 and I’d definitely prefer the draft pick. Throw one of the young guys at the back end of the rotation. Out of Hughes/IPK/Aceves/Coke or some combination, I think once we weeded out who the best of those guys is going to be for next year, they could possibly outperform what Pettitte would have given you, and certainly do better than what Pettitte did in the 2nd half this year. That would save $$$, give us a pick, and probably get similar results out of our #5 spot for the 2nd half of the year. In a side note, Rob Neyer today predicted that Hughes or Kennedy would win 14-16 games this year, he just didn’t know which one. To my point, I think with all of the options at the #5 spot, someone would step up and at least give solid #5 performance, if not greatly exceed it. With Pettitte the upside at this point is limited. At best, he’s what, a #3? And that’s asking a lot after the way he finished last year.

  35. Lancer says:

    Hey guys, I haven’t commented here in a while… good to be back.

    About C.C., obviously I’m getting a bit antsy. But realistically, whether he plans on signing here or not, he won’t be jumping at the Yankees offer. “There may be more where it came from” is what he –and his agent– is thinking.

    If he doesn’t sign here we may be screwed a bit for this year. I won’t be too upset if Andy signs elsewhere as he’s given us no reason to believe that he’ll be any better (if not worse) than last year at his age. Maybe the HGH helped him, I don’t know. But the fact is, Moose proved he can get it done even without the same stuff he once had, Andy on the other hand has yet to prove that.

  36. Samsonov KGB says:

    i know its a little early but if we miss out on CC which starters hit the FA market after 09?

  37. Samsonov KGB says:

    do you think a signing of CC or Tex by the Angels would affect their extension of Lackey? what kind of money would lackey demand and at how many years?

  38. E-ROC says:

    Pettitte feels slighted so he’s interested in joining the Dodgers? Pettitte will be waiting awhile as the Yanks wait for CC to make a decision. ‘Ol well.

  39. Lancer says:

    We’re all caught up in the pitching rotation, but what the hell is going to be with our lineup.

    1) Matsui, Posada and Damon are all one year older.

    2) Swisher for Giambi?

    And don’t forget that our problem last year has been the offense much more so than the starting pitching.

    I’m beginning to rethink that we might need Teix in this lineup in a big way.

  40. steve (different one) says:

    of course, no one has mentioned the possibility that Pettitte is simply negotiating through the media?

    that the idea of “going home to Papa Joe” is just believable enough to scare the Yankees into speeding things up?

  41. Steve says:

    If we lose out on CC, it won’t be the first time we had to go with Plan B for our pitching needs.

    Back in 1993, we blew away a Plan A pitcher with a huge offer, who didn’t really want to come here. He signed elsewhere for less.

    So we ended up signing a Plan B who had 2 shoulder surgeries and was banged up a lot during the past 5 seasons for his previous team.

    Plan A was Greg Maddux, who despite putting up some of the best years in Baseball history was average in the playoffs, and his team managed just one title in 10 straight playoff berths.

    Plan B was Jimmy Key (one of my all time favorites) who was key to the Yankee turnaround and was 4-0 in post season games in 1996.

    You never know how these things turn out, people.

  42. YankCrank20 says:

    Here’s a fun fact about our new starting 1b:

    “Nick Swisher was selected by the A’s with the Boston Red Sox first round pick in 2002 as compensation for the loss of free agent Johnny Damon.”

    Pretty funny how that worked out huh?

  43. Conan the Barack O'Brian says:

    NPR is doing a bit right now on the Indian pitchers Pittsburgh signed…

  44. Steve says:

    Ian Kennedy pitched tonight

    7 innings pitched, 3 hits, no runs, no walks, and 4 k’s. 10 ground ball outs, and 7 fly ball outs.

  45. Mike Pop says:

    So you guys think the Johan contract is going to come back and hurt the Mets ? I just read some comments above and didnt want to post it up there but you guys think he is going to break down and not be so good in a couple of years

  46. Nickel says:

    My apologies if this completely random fact has been brought up already, but is anyone else amused by the fact that the backup quarterback for the Lions on Thursday is going to be Drew Henson?

  47. Mike Pop says:

    Those TIS commercials are great…

  48. Reggie C. says:


    I’ve watched each season till this one , which work forced me to miss in its entirety till tonight. I had to watch the finale out of respect to this really good show. Its not the Wire, but its a damn good show for basic cable.

    It was a hard ending for the Strike Team.

  49. RustyJohn says:

    Unless, as Dave suggests above, he is injured more severely than we know, the Yanks needs to sign Pettite ASAP. Beyond the obvious of providing them an above average 4th or 5th starter who will eat up 200 innings, signing him greatly increases the Yankees bargaining position. They no longer have a need to sign two or three other potential free agents, losing draft picks. They won’t be bent over the barrel as much by Sabathia, Lowe or AJ and once one FA pitcher signs, the rest will fall like dominos. That alone is worth over paying Pettite. I understand their waiting to see what Mosse did, but Andy, if healthy, should be the first one they sign.

    • RustyJohn says:

      BTW- anyone know of some place that has statistical analysis of what an average 4th or 5th starter’s numbers were last year? I think Hardball Times did something a couple of years ago where they found the average 5th starter in the AL had an ERA around 6 and the average 4th starter had an ERA around 4.75 or 5.

  50. Brian M says:

    I always wanted Andy back, but the picks could be nice. Think about it this way, if he was somebody else’s free agent would you want to trade our first rounder for a 1 yr rental of a declining Pettitte? LA will be signing multiple free agents this winter though so don’t bank on getting the 17th pick for Andy. They’d likely only sign him since they’d already have lost their 1st round pick for signing someone else.

    If we are going after free agents, it makes sense to do it all in the one year and not keep losing picks year after yr. Why not let Andy go to the Dodgers, then sign Lowe and Sabathia. Hughes deserves another chance, and Wang and Joba round out the rotation, with Kennedy and Aceves as cover. Sabathia, Lowe and Wang are all veterans so Pettitte is needed as much for his leadership and although both young, Hughes and Joba are two pretty solid guys to be throwing out there.

    For a transition year that is pretty good and next yr there are tons of interesting pitchers hitting the free agents market. If Harden can get through a season healthy he would be worth a look. His injuries over the last couple of years probably mean he won’t be a type A either. Bottom line is we developed the kids to play, we need to give then some innings now. If it doesn’t work out a lot of guys will become available during the season. With a ton of picks waiting for us Cashman can better afford to trade away a couple of young guys for a Harden, Lackey, Duscherer or Bedard midseason. I think Hughes will surprise us all this year though.

    If we offer Pudge arbitration and lose Pettitte and Abreu, together with our compensation picks, we’d have a ton of picks in the draft.

    It’d be a 1 yr restock of the system which would give us a stable of top guys in A ball.

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