Report: Yanks may decline Marte’s option

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According to a few reports, the Yankees are planning on declining Damaso Marte‘s $6 million option for 2009. As we figured the Yanks would pick up this option, I’m about surprised by this move, but the Yanks could be taking one of two approaches here. They’re either going to cash on Marte’s Type A status and take the draft picks or they will attempt to sign him to a multi-year deal worth less per year than his one-year option. I’d like to see Marte return; he offers more stability than Phil Coke and could be the best lefty the Yanks have employed since the heydays of Mike Stanton. We’ll see how this plays out. This is certainly not a finalized divorce.

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  • 27 this year

    wait, was it really finalized or is this based on George King’s report that they would decline?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Based on King’s original report, it’s not finalized. A few other sites have sounded more definite, but they all cite to King. I’m hedging my bets here.

      • 27 this year

        ok, I think you should change it though. George King only said they will. No one ever said they did.

  • whozat

    Signing him for more than 2 years seems unwise. And someone out there will be willing to offer him more (the mets!)

    This seems foolishly risky to me, whether they want to take the picks and rely on Coke or hope to have him for an extra year at less AAV. Paying a premium to keep flexibility is exactly the thing the Yanks should be doing. If they let him go and then spend the money on Derek Lowe or Burnett…lots of boo.

  • Steve

    Here’s the list of the lefty relievers they’ve run out there over the past 6 years since Stanton left in 2002.

    Billy Traber, Mike Myers, Ron Villone, Sean Henn, Matt Smith, Buddy Groom, Alan Embree, Wayne Franklin, Alex Graman, Felix Heredia, Gabe White, Donovan Osbourne, CJ Nitkowski, Sterling Hitchcock, Chris Hammond, Randy Choate, Jesse Orosco

    . . . . and a partridge in a pear treeeeeeee

    The only way letting him walk makes sense to me is if he wasn’t happy here, and there were some reports about that after he got here.

    • 27 this year

      Yea steve and the funny thing is, Marte went through our system adn we let him go in like 02.

      • Steve

        For Enrique Wilson, and we still have no bench.

        • dan

          I don’t think Enrique is, or ever was, the answer to the problems on the bench. And didn’t everyone think they had a great bench to start the season this year? Morgan Ensberg is a former all-star, Shelley Duncan was supposed to be a big power threat, and Betemit was coming off a productive year.

          His OBP’s the years he played on the yanks: .239, .276, .254. So in other words, he was horrendous for the yankees.

          • Steve

            Yep, and again the Yanks spent the next 6 years looking for a bullpen lefty.

            Horrendous trade.

          • gg

            whatever happened to jason lane as well?

    • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      Hah. Only Hammond was good from that. I did like Smith and Hitchcock.

      • Steve

        Yes! Good memory! Hammond was the only good one and he only pitched here for one year for some reason.

        • A.D.

          and was actually better against righties than lefties

          • Steve

            That’ll do it.

            So we haven’t had anyone get lefties out since Stanton in 02.

  • Andy In Sunny Daytona

    I wonder, if Pudge would have had Type A status would the Yanks still have declined Marte’s option?

    • Andy In Sunny Daytona

      …if they do indeed decline it.

  • Steve

    NoMaas weighs in

    “When we issued our first offseason recommendation back in early October, we advocated picking up Marte’s option. Since Marte is one of those rare relievers who has shown consistency throughout his career, we believed that a one-year deal for him made perfect sense. However, since Marte has acquired Type-A free agent status, it’s made us do some thinking. When a team can acquire two high draft picks (1st round plus supplemental) for a reliever, that’s an opportunity which is difficult to pass up — especially when the Cash/Girardi combo has demonstrated the ability to construct an effective bullpen with low-cost, young arms. So, at this point, we’re letting Marte walk and taking the picks.”

    http://www.nomaas.org/

    That’s the most persuasive argument I’ve heard yet. Turning a RELIEVER into a young, cost controlled starter/position player (or possibly two) is more valuable to the franchise long term than any reliever is next year. Plus, at his age you don’t know when he starts to decline. But even with that being the case, they have a need for a lefty reliever and he’s the only proven one they have. I’d still keep him, but now it makes more sense.
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    • zzzzz

      this is exactly what i was thinking. sure he could be a good bullpen arm, but what about a good bullpen arm turned into draft picks? sounds nice. we have plenty of arms coming up soon who could hopefully be near marte’s production.

      but i don’t believe anyone is lefty besides coke, right? damn.

    • radnom

      This argument is so bogus. He is going to be a type A next year too. Its a matter of “maybe” those draft picks could be young contributers in 4 years, or “maybe” they could be here in 5. Having a reliable guy in the BP next year is more important then having the picks a year early.

      • gg

        all this is predicated on drafting well which despite Joba NYY has not done

  • Rob

    I sent you an email about this, Ben.

    I wonder if they’re weighing Fuentes vs. Marte. Seems like they could get Fuentes for the same $6 million salary. It would be for three or four years, but it seems he’s the better pitcher. The results are better, even at Coors. Is his stuff better?

    Plus, if a team like the Mets signs Marte, the Yankees actually upgrade their picks.

    Fuentes would also give them an experienced closer option if anything happened with Mo (God, forbid). I don’t think Coke is ruled out. But I also don’t think they’ll go into the season with no other veteran bullpen arms.

    • Steve H

      No way they are getting Fuentes for $6 mil. He will be a closer somewhere, for more than $6 mil, guaranteed.

      • Rob

        How much more? Is he really going to get $10mil/year? I don’t think so. He’s been very good, but not that good.

        • Steve H

          Linebrink got 3/19 as a setup man. Fuentes will certainly get more than that. And he is a closer, he wouldn’t come here anyway. The only possible way to bring him in as a setup guy would be to grossly overpay for him, so yes, it would take more than $10 mil for him to sign with the Yankees.

          • Rob

            So says you. Few would think being behind Mo is a demotion. Billy Wagner makes 10 per. Fuentes won’t get that, nor should he. Maybe 8 or 9. And then who will pay that?

            • Steve

              Fuentes is considered the 2nd best reliever available, behind K-Rod who is looking for 5 years-75mil. Fuentes is a step down, but he is worth 8-9 mil to a team like the Mets, Indians, Tigers, Cubs, Cards, Rangers and Angels. All of whom need a closer.

              • Steve H

                And if he were to sign with a team to not be the closer, there would have to be a huge difference in money, hence, more than $10 mil a year.

            • Steve H

              Why would he come to be a setup man? Forget the $$ part, explain that to me? He wouldn’t be getting demoted, he can pick any team he wants, he’s in control, and wants to close. Case closed.

    • dan

      Fuentes has said that wherever he plays, he wants to close. He won’t sign anywhere knowing that he’ll be the 8th inning guy. Especially at $6million. Remember, Scott Linebrink signed for 3/$19 last off-season and isn’t considered to be in the same class as Fuentes.

      • dan

        Just checked the numbers… he’s not even close to Fuentes.

        • Rob

          Say the Yanks can get Fuentes for 3/$24. For $2mil more a year that seems worth it. Two solid arms at the back of the pen and youngsters otherwise. 2nd behind the greatest closer of all time is not a bad place to be and in line to inherit the role.

          • Steve H

            That would never happen. He’ll #1 get more money than that, probably more years. #2. He’s a closer. For him to give up closing, come to the AL, pitch in NY, would take an exorbinant deal.

    • Steve

      I don’t think so. Fuentes is going to want to close, and Marte has been one of the best pitchers vs Lefties in all of Baseball over the past few years. So that doesn’t make sense on either end.

      If the Yanks do this it will be because they feel they have plenty of good MLB ready lefties (Coke/Dunn/Kroenke) and/or that Marte wasn’t happy here. Plus getting two Type A draft picks for a reliever is a good deal, getting the same compensation for a starting pitcher or everyday position player is less valuable. I would think a combination of all of the above.

  • Joseph M

    That’s scary. The Yankees letting a quality lefty reliever walk. Now we’ll spend the early months of the season trying to make a trade for one. I have a great deal of concern related to Cashman being able to turn this around and a move like this does nothing but raise red flags.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Ok. You should really re-read the last few lines of my post. They’re not letting him walk irrevocably. They’re not picking up a one-year option, according to one NY Post report. Perhaps they’re already in the process of negotiating a better deal; perhaps they’re going to pick up the option after all. It’s really not scary.

      • Steve H

        Even if they don’t negotiate a better deal or pick up the option, it’s still not scary. I’ve been an advocate of resigning Marte, but if you can get 2 top picks for a middle reliever, you have to consider it. If you could trade picks in MLB, wouldn’t you trade a middle reliever for those picks. I like Marte, but he’s not a closer, not a setup man, and had some struggles after the trade. I really won’t be pissed either way, I think him getting Type A status makes this an absolute win win scenario.

        • Steve

          I agree, but I still think he’s more valuable to this team winning it all next year and that should trump everything else. That’s why I suspect there’s more to this than just Baseball. There were reports that he wasn’t happy here, and that might factor into this as well.

          Or maybe they’re just renegotiating his deal. He made 2 mil last year and was getting a hefty raise to 6 mil this year. If they resigned him for 2-8 mil or thereabouts then that’s what this was all about.

      • diony

        What could be a better deal than Marte for $6 million?

        Marte for 20m/4years? Oh common please

        I would like to see what Phil Coke, Chase Wright, Zach Kroenke, Mike Dunn and Wilkins Delarosa can bring. Before giving a multiyear deal to a declining reliever like Marte.

        • Steve

          Billy Traber, Mike Myers, Ron Villone, Sean Henn, Matt Smith, Buddy Groom, Alan Embree, Wayne Franklin, Alex Graman, Felix Heredia, Gabe White, Donovan Osbourne, CJ Nitkowski, Sterling Hitchcock, Chris Hammond, Randy Choate, Jesse Orosco

          • B.George

            thinking of those scrubs pitching makes me wanna pull my hair out shove it down my throat and dump it on all of there chests.

        • Andy In Sunny Daytona

          Wow, you’re putting Wilkins De La Rosa in the mix for next year’s bullpen.
          Ballsy move GM diony.

          • greg

            he was surprisingly added to the 40-man, so maybe that isn’t so far-fetched.

            • steve (different one)

              was it really that surprising? they didn’t want to lost him in the rule V draft.

              • greg

                he’s new to pitching, I didn’t see how he’d stick on a 25 man roster all season long

  • diony

    Why signing him to a multi-year deal? That totally makes no sense. They should build a cheap bullpen with young arms, not signing a 33 year old reliever to a multi-year deal.

    Plus there’s no way they sign him to a contract worth less than $6 million a year. With Brian Fuentes in the market looking for a big contract Marte could get easely more than $6 million a year.

    I hope they offer him arbitration, there’s no way he’ll resign with the Yanks for less than $6 million a year.

    • Steve

      Because he’s one of the best in the biz at what he does.

      For the people who want the draft picks, just remember there’s a reason why he’s a Type A in the first place. Its because he’s REALLY good at what he does and very few others do his job as well as he does.

      Expecting any kid from AAA to be as good as Marte is just being unrealistic.

      • Steve H

        Agree to a point. He was really good at what he did in the NL pitching for the Pirates. Totally different world than in the AL East for the Yankees. Hell, look at Latroy Hawkins’ #’s in the NL. In 2007 he had a 3.42 ERA pitching in Colorado. He had a 5.71 ERA for the Yankees, then after the trade posted a 0.43 ERA back in the NL. It’s apples to oranges, especially for a middle reliever.

        • whozat

          Marte’s 4 years with the white sox (including 05) say “hello”

  • Manimal

    just sign him! If he doesnt work out he is still great trade bait!

    • Mike Pop

      agreed manimal

  • c. Panella

    this seems like a dumb move to me we traded quite a few prospects for him why not just pick up the option he still is one of the best leftys in the league easy option if you ask me

  • Murph1010

    Cashman is so retarded. Can’t believe they declined his option. Now they will overpay for Fuentez and be stuck with him for a bunch of years. Why would they even care about their pick when they pick so low? Makes no sense. Stupid decision.

    • Steve H

      This isn’t the NBA, you don’t need a lottery pick to have success in the draft. They got Joba in the range that these picks will be. The Sox have rebuilt their farm system in part because of these picks that they got for Damon, Lowe and Pedro.

      • diony

        And Orlando Cabrera.

        Yeah, the 2009 MLB Draft for the Yankees should be like the 2005 Draft for the Red Sox, if Cashman plays it nice.

        Offer arbitration to everyone. A rebuilding team doesn’t needs a 33 year old lefty reliever.

    • Rich

      The option was NOT declined. Your repulsive use of “retarded” should perhaps be channeled towards better reading comprehension from you.

    • steve (different one)

      Why would they even care about their pick when they pick so low?

      really, and you are calling other people “retarded”?

      • Murph1010

        OK wise guy picks will work out much more often when they are higher that’s just a common fact. If you are in the 20s you probably won’t get a stud or anything so don’t value it as much

        • pat

          joba chamberlain and andrew brackman beg to differ

          • radnom

            I’m not agreeing with “Murph” or anything, but Andrew Brackman is FAR from a sure thing at this point.

            • pat

              no but he is definately a “stud prospect”

    • steve (different one)

      you do realize that it’s not the Yankee’s draft position that matters, right? it’s the team who signs Marte IF his option is actually declined.

  • T-Dizzle

    About time they did something smart. Tired of all these old overpaid plaeyrs. Get a bunch of draft picks for him and try to draft a CF and 1B since that’s what they need. And it saves money to sign Dunn and Tex too

  • Andy In Sunny Daytona

    Melivn Croussett should be brought up immediately.

    • Andy In Sunny Daytona

      or his brother Melvin

      • Steve H

        Or both, you can never have too much pitching!

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          Bring back Lyle Mouton and convert him into a LOOGY.

  • Baseballnation

    It makes no sense to decline the option…Especially considering Marte would likely fetch type a bounty next season as a free agent as well.

  • Steve

    Testing . . . 1 . . . 2. . testing.

    Just wanted to see what would happen.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

    Just an FYI for those of you posting comments in this thread: Because of the daylight savings shift, some of the comments for the next hour are going to appear on the top of this thread.

    • Steve

      Another reason to hate Daylight Savings.

      Can we just leave the fucking clocks alone, please? I have work to do.

    • Kay Sturns

      not a good programmer?

      personally, i’d decline the option and offer arbitration if it were up to me. not because i want the picks (i do), or because i don’t think damaso is worth 6 mil (he is), but our bullpen improved so much last yr. Bruney, Veras, EdRam, Coke, etc were all above average. then we have Albaladejo, Sanchez (start him), Melancon. Robertson had a ~4.07era? but has a wicked sick curve

  • E-ROC

    Get the picks next year. Marte is a quality lefty who can get lefties and righties. He can set-up and close on occasions. $6 million on a one year deal ain’t bad. Marte’s presence will also allow Coke to ease into Marte’s role.

    • Manimal

      Relying on rookies hasn’t really worked lately. Declining his option would start this offseason on a bad foot.

      • E-ROC

        I don’t think it’s bad move if they decline his option. The Yanks get two premium draft choices in an off-season where they might be spending a ton of money. I wouldn’t mind seeing Phil Coke battle and win a spot in the bullpen. I think his stuff translates well in the bullpen. Going with young relievers isn’t a bad thing. There will be growing pains as always with young players. That is to be expected. Somewhere between Cox, Melancon, Coke, Robertson, Sanchez, and Albaladejo will stick and breakout.

        • Mike Pop

          With those picks we could get a Rasmus and another Joba !

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            With those picks we could will definitely get a Rasmus and another Joba !

            That’s an ironclad fact. mark it down.

            2 June Draft picks >>>>>>>>>>> everything else in baseball

  • Phil McCracken

    Letting Marte walk and giving Coke the job is the relief version of what Cashman did last year with Kennedy and Hughes.

    Huge mistake. Go with the experienced guy.

    • Joey H

      I would rather give coke a chance to start. Hes a guy who possesses 3 or so quality pitches. These people need to start. Wasn’t coke a starter anyway? Innings cut back situation?

      • whozat

        He has been a starter, yeah. He’ll likely get a shot to start at AAA to open the season. He’s got some decent pitches, but nothing dominating. He’s a back-end guy at best.

        • Joey H

          Yeah we know that. Cheaper than getting lowe. at least this kid can have some upside. and not cost 12 mill a year.

          • Mike Pop

            Upside isnt such a great thing to bet on when we aiming for the Championship!! But I do also like Coke but like him in the pen

    • whozat

      That’s a wonderful knee-jerk reaction.

      1) He hasn’t been allowed to walk yet
      2) Coke has been handed nothing
      3) Perpetually “going with the experienced guy” is what’s put us in the position where there’s one everyday player under the age of 30 on the team. Or, more precisely, assuming that the FA market will always have what the team needs is what got them here.
      4) Starting the season with the two of them in the rotation with the plan for Joba to take the spot of whoever was worst among Hughes, Kennedy and Moose — with Horne, Rasner, Karstens, and Giese as AAA depth to hedge against injury was not a bad plan. Injuries just torpedoed it.

      • Phil McCracken

        How’d those draft picks work out this year? A bunch of misused picks which sets back player development another year.

        This is a mismanaged team. When you have one of the top left handed specialists in the league, and an opportunity to keep him for a year with no risk, you do it.

        You don’t fool around with draft picks. This isn’t the NFL.

        Starting the season last year with Kennedy and Hughes in the rotation was foolish. Eventually Cashman will learn you don’t hand people jobs based on September statistics. That goes for Phil Coke as well.

        • Mike Pop

          We will get all future superstars with these picks tho

        • steve (different one)

          How’d those draft picks work out this year? A bunch of misused picks which sets back player development another year.

          it’s REALLY easy to run a draft with 20-20 hindsight.

          Cole was NOT a “misused” pick.

          he was the best arm in the draft. and he had indicated he was willing to sign.

          you pick him 100 out of 100 times. what happened later was unfortunate, but shit happens.

          for the record, i’d probably keep Marte. so i agree with that.

          what i DON’T agree with is this notion that letting a RELIEVER go for 2 draft picks is indicative of some sort of bigger problem. it isn’t. i think there are good arguments for both options, and i am going to wait until i see what the final roster looks like before i start crying about maybe losing a 50-60 inning reliever.

          • Phil McCracken

            I don’t mind letting a regular average right hander go.

            But letting one of the league’s top lefty relievers isn’t intelligent, no matter how many draft picks you’re getting. Draft picks are gambles. They don’t help 2009.

            Right now with Jeter and A-Rod playing in their prime, you should always be playing for 2009. Letting a top lefty reliever go for draft picks isn’t playing for 2009. Its playing for 2012.

            • jsbrendog

              jeter’s prime was already and is now on the slow descent on the wrong side of his career. hopefully the snowball takes a long time to build though, but his best years are beind him. is he still very good ad do i still love him and want no one else? indoubitably (more than likely spelt terribly) but he is no longer in his “prime”

  • Joey H

    Well. I mean, I hope they are going to ink him for maybe 2 years 6 or 7 mill. I doubt they would let a great lefty reliever just walk like that, Right? Being how we’ve been after to get him back for years now.

  • Mike Pop

    Maybe the reason would be to get more picks so when we sign 4 type A’s ?

    • whozat

      You can’t lose comp picks. Would losing your 3rd and 4th round picks be so painful that you’d dump Marte to compensate?

      While they may be doing it for picks, it’s not because they’re worried about that 3rd and 4th free agent.

      • Mike Pop

        Oh thanks for explaining it.. I just hope that if we have all these picks we get some young talented studs out of it..

  • Steve

    Anyone know why Hughes hasn’t pitched since the Rising Stars thingy? I think that was on the 23rd. He hasn’t pitched for the Javelinas since Oct 18th, and was bad in both outings.

    I hope he’s not hurt again.

    • B.George

      he probably reached his innings limit or yanks just didnt want to over work him.

      • Steve

        He’s thrown a grand total of 85 innings this year, including MLB, Minors, AFL and the Rising Stars game.

        Anyone else?

        • Mike R.

          The reason that Phil had that bad inning was because of a blister or a gangnail of some sort. They are probably waiting for it to heal.

  • Mike Pop

    I would rather pick it up than trade him mid season for a decent bounty (something that beats the 2 draft picks we would get if he stays type A).. If a team was willing to do that.. I dont get it. We should pick it up and get the picks for the 2010 draft. Maybe we could trade him midseason as part to get a young cost controlled player anyways.. I dont see why we decline here

  • JeffG

    I’m on the other side where I usually stay here. Marte at 6 million is steep. He wasn’t that great while pitching for us. How many times did Giardi have to pull him without getting the job done? – plenty by my recollection. The guy had great numbers before landing in our division but in the little glimpse that I had I didn’t see the stuff where I thought he’d maintain his NL derived success. Smells a little like Farnsey.
    Six mill toward the potentially very expensive contracts for Tex and Sabathia may come in handy. Especially considering we are going to need other pieces. Give me the two draft picks and flexibility to fix our weaker areas and I’ll take it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

      So you’re going by recollection — remember that one 40-pitch outing he had in September? Dude wasn’t the same for a while. Not exactly his fault.

      • JeffG

        Yeah I do remember that, and I do get that he was way overused, but even after the rest and a few bounce back outings he was having issues. He seemed to be throwing hard without location and his fastballs weren’t getting on hitters fast enough.

        • Steve

          Marte posted a 1.35 ERA for the month of September.

          http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....yerId=4100

          • JeffG

            6.2 IP 4 hits 3 base on balls. I’m pretty sure I remember him getting pulled into Sept.
            In any case, I just wasn’t 6mil impressed. If signing three good starter AND Tex is no problem while keeping Marte I say keep him but that might bot be the case.

        • Reggie C.

          Marte’s presence keeps our bullpen among the best the in baseball. 6 million option shouldnt be a deterrent to a team that could very well end the off-season without having upgraded the rotation noticeably with an ace, innings eater. You’re gonna need reliable vets in that bullpen in the event we trot out Joba, Moose, and Pettitte.

          • JeffG

            The plan should be for an upgrade and it is. Again, I think we will have a better chance to meet our primary goals, filling our big holes by subtracting a bit from our strength.

  • Jay Walker

    Clearly this is best thing that Marte could’ve asked for, Girardi overused him nearly costing him a major injury. I know that 6 million is 6 million but long term I think he would be better off by signing with another team. Girardi needs to improve his handling of the bullpen, if not just ask the Marlins.

    • Steve H

      Girardi was phenomenal with the pen this year. Look at how much better the holdovers pitched from last year. Bruney/Edwar/Farnsworth(less), even God was better this year. Point to one outing where Marte was overused if you want, and I agree, but after watching Torre’s handling of the pen the last few years, Girardi was a godsend.

    • Steve

      If you think Girardi’s handling of the bullpen was bad, you’re so lost its not even worth arguing about. And Marte had a very strong september, so there goes your injury theory.

      http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....yerId=4100

    • steve (different one)

      i have no idea what you are talking about. Girardi did a great job with the bullpen. it was easily his biggest strength this year.

      he overworked Marte that night in Texas because THERE WAS NO ONE ELSE LEFT IN THE BULLPEN.

      Joba got hurt and left the game in the 5th. Mo, Veras, Rasner, and Giese were all unavailable.

      he had one more pitcher left, the rookie Robertson.

      it was unfortunate that it happened. but people are very quick to forget the facts of that game.

      also, please explain what you meant about the Marlins. there wasn’t a single reliever on the team who threw more than 71 innings. there was an incident with a rain delay, but that didn’t involve the bullpen.

      • Mike Pop

        He prob means what happened to Anibal and Josh Johnson but they are starters so it doesnt really fit

  • Matt M.

    Tom Gordon turned into Joba Chamberlain and IPK

    im actually in favor of keeping Marte, but consider this….if we’re letting abreu walk for the younger, cheaper, downgrade…then why wouldnt the thought process be the same for a lefty reliver ?

    marte could play a considerable role in the 09 yankees…but if your letting your #3 hitter, obp machine, everyday player walk when he’s the best player on the board at his position…then how can you NOT do the same thing with Marte?

    • Steve

      Actually, it was just Joba. IPK was the Yanks 1st round pick.

      Gordon was a Type B so he just brought a supplemental in return.

      http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy

      • steve (different one)

        no, Matt was right. Gordon was a Type A, so the Yankees used Philly’s first round pick to take IPK and the supplemental pick to take Joba.

        they lost their 1st round pick on Damon or Farnsworth, don’t remember who was ranked higher. probably Damon.

        • Mike Pop

          Trade IPK back for Werth

        • Steve

          You’re right, I screwed the pooch on that one.

    • Mike Pop

      All I know is that we are going to be in trouble if we dont replace Abreu’s bat with either Tex, Manny or Dunn.. If we lose him and dont replace him somehow our offense is going to be bad

      • Reggie C.

        Yeah Mike. That’s true. Should the Yanks lose out on Tex and Manny, i fear the team would go to Abreu and offer him a 3 year contract. I hope this team has a plan to proceed if Tex and Manny are off the board. At that point, A-rod is getting asked to make up for too much offense.

        One thing. Marte solidifies a strength on this team. Marte helps the maintain a contending look. For that he’s worth holding onto next season.

        • Mike Pop

          Im worried about this offseason.. If we miss out on the big name free agents we are gonna have to sell the farm.. I dont see how reportedly we are not crazy bout Tex.. I beleive he is a perfect fit for us and we dont have anyone who will be nearly as good as a fit as him

    • steve (different one)

      but if your letting your #3 hitter, obp machine, everyday player walk when he’s the best player on the board at his position…then how can you NOT do the same thing with Marte?

      one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

      if Abreu had a 1 year $6M option, they would pick it up.

      but he doesn’t.

      to bring Abreu back, it will probably require a 3 year deal for $13-15M per year.

      the two situations are completely unrelated.

      • Steve

        Plus, Abreu’s walk rate has dropped by HALF of what it was 2 years ago, which tells you his bat is slowing down. He has to start his swing earlier and cant afford to be as patient.

        So he’s not an OBP machine anymore, and he’s drawing fewer and fewer walks each year.

        • Mike Pop

          That said Abreu is still a HUGE part of the offense.. I do agree that we cant give him more than 2 years when there are other alternatives but losing Abreu is gonna hurt the offense unless we replace him with an equal or better bat

          • steve (different one)

            sure. i agree, they need to sign another bat somehow.

            i think they realize this.

            but if they had to give 3 years to Abreu, they are probably better offer giving 4 years to Manny or Dunn.

            or maybe they are looking at a trade.

            • Mike Pop

              O I agree they realize it.. Id rather get Dunn or Manny than trade for Matty Holliday tho just because I dont want to give up Hughes or Ajax yet.. Ajax I wanna see.. Is Dunn realy as bad in the outfield as people make him out to be

              • Slugger27

                actually, hes worse

                • Mike Pop

                  I heard hes got a cannon.. He has to be better than Abreu

                • Count Zero

                  He’s not — really. He’s definitely worse.

            • Old Ranger

              You guys are all kidding, right? Come-on guys, Bobbys’ bat is slow, walks are down, avg. is down, strike-outs are up, and he is one of the worse right fielders out there. What in the hell do we need him (at 3-4 years) for… and replacing him with Dunn is a joke, .250 avg., high SOs (close to that). Mannys bat will not stand-up for 3-4 years, and you know it. Why go backwards on building this team…Steve (D.O.), I have way to much respect for you, to believe you agree with this stuff.
              Now, there are many people on this blog that are advocates of Manny and Dunn…I, as one can guess, think they would be a big disaster. They tie up money, position and flexibility…like we had the last few years. I am sure one can find better (long term) replacements for Jason and Bobby then those two guys…let’s Wait and see what breaks in the up coming FA market.
              I respectfully disagree with you guys, as I’m sure you disagree with me…it passes the time, doesn’t it? 27/09.

          • Steve

            I disagree. Nady will play RF, produce similar numbers and be WAY better defensively. Gardner will play CF and cant be any worse than Melky was with the bat, and again will be a much better fielder. Damon will be in LF, which is the same as last year. Matsui will DH and should be healthy this year. Also, you expect Posada to be healthy again this year and contribute far more than Molina did with the bat. We’ll be fine.

            • Mike Pop

              Idk Steve I hope your right… I think people are going to be dissapointed with X.. Abreu is better than him even this late in his career imo..

              • whozat

                Not when you take his horrendous defense into account.

                Nady may be only slightly above average with the bat, but he’s also average in the field. Which makes him more valuable than Abreu right now.

                You know what makes your pitching a lot better? Catching the ball. It’s a lot easier to stop the bleeding when your infielders catch more grounders and those flares to right start getting caught more often. Getting Cano’s head right and improving the OF defense (as well as 1B) will help a lot. Looking at some analysis of this stuff (I think on RLYB) shows that Pettitte, Hughes, and even Kennedy all got jobbed by poor defense this season. Pettitte and Kennedy especially can’t really afford that. That’s not to say that Kennedy doesn’t need to become less predictable and that Hughes doesn’t need to get himself healthy, but it does indicate that none of them were as bad as they seemed to be.

  • Reggie C.

    Is Cashman becoming draft pick greedy? That process is a crap shoot and having more first rounders than anybody else doesn’t guarantee an upgrade in the farm. Boston gets alot of their signability guys in the mid-rounds. We’re essentially guaranteed 2 first rounders in the comp Cole pick and comp Abreu pick.

    I’d rather have Marte for 6 million next season. Marte is a good veteran reliever in a bullpen that’s gonna ask alot out of unproven or emerging guys.

    • Steve

      According to Oppenheimer, the best pitcher we landed was Brett Marshall in the 6th, and maybe the best position player could wind up being Garrison Lassiter, who we drafted in the 27th round. So its not a top to bottom draft like it is in other sports. Though you’d still rather have the higher picks whenever possible. The probability of success should be greater with the higher picks. If not, you’re doing a bad job.

      • Mike Pop

        I hope we get 3 or 4 Joba Chamberlains or COlby Rasmus’s with these picks

        • Slugger27

          not me, id rather see 3 eric duncans and a david parrish

          • Mike Pop

            maybe throw in an Andy Marte

        • whozat

          Then you will be disappointed.

      • steve (different one)

        he is a little draft pick greedy, but i think this case is not so clear cut either way.

        i think i would pick up the option and go for the draft picks next year.

        but this isn’t like when he swapped Viz for Hawkins and a sandwich pick. these could be a first rounder and a sandwich pick. that’s a tougher call.

        it’s a tough decision. i’d probably pick up the option, but Marte pitched just “ehhh” enough in NY to put some doubt in their minds.

        but like Ben pointed out, right now this is just a RUMOR still.

        • Mike Pop

          IF we decline it I think he is as good as gone

        • Kay Sturns

          with all the possible draft picks, i hope they give the draft guys more money to work with. You’d think it’d be a non-issue, right?

  • B.George

    they will probably decline the option and offer him a multi year dear which will essentially land him more money…..lefty relievers are hard to find and the yanks wanna lock him up for a few years….and with phil coke in the mix for a bullpen spot the yanks know they have a gift with two decent lefties in the pen.

    • Mike Pop

      but why give him more years ? that isnt what they would plan to do if they decline it.. A 1 yr deal is much better plus if they let him become a free agent it means he has a bettter chance going to another team

  • Mike Pop

    When will they announce MVPs and Cy Youngs

    • pat

      per abe
      Nov. 10: AL and NL Rookie of the Year awards

      Nov. 11: NL Cy Young Award

      Nov. 12: AL and NL Manager of the Year awards

      Nov. 13: AL Cy Young Award

      Nov. 17: NL Most Valuable Player award

      Nov. 18: AL Most Valuable Player award

  • Mike W.

    We should definitely let him go and take the draft picks. Relievers are so year-to-year effective/not-effective that Marte is replaceable with one of our youngsters. The ability to have him as a Type-A free agent that we can get 2 draft picks for is not replaceable.

    • whozat

      Marte, though, has been effective year after year. Look at his numbers.

      That said, he’s getting older. If they don’t have a pre-agreement in place to sign him for 2 years (2/8-9?), I disagree with this move. If it’s keep him for 1/6 or give him 3+ years…I have a hard time thinking it’s a good idea to let him go. Unless they know something negative that we don’t about his health.

  • Januz

    There is little doubt that the 2008 draft was not good (Although they did get a couple of quality prospects (Marshall, Joseph, Lassiter, and Vendette (He may be their replacement for Bittle)). However, they ranked number one by BA in both 2006 & 2007, so Oppenheimer knows what he is doing.
    Keep in mind, if they sign Teixeira and Sabathia, they will lose draft picks, which will be recouped by losing Marte & Abreu. You are essentially trading Abreu & Marte for Sabathia & Teixeira (Even the money is a wash, because you take the Giambi & Pavano contracts off the books). I think anyone would jump at that trade.

    • whozat

      “There is little doubt that the 2008 draft was not good”

      False. They made good picks. When everyone thought Cole would sign (and there was never any indication that he would refuse to even TALK about signing AT ALL), the Yankee draft was hailed as being very good. Even after losing the other kid, if they’d signed Cole, it still would have been good.

      • Old Ranger

        Do you remember the artical about Cole? Something about him being a stuck-up prima dona, and a real ass. Didn’t get along very well with his team mates and showed them up when ever…! Sounds a lot like a spoiled little rich boy to me…can anyone say; wood shed! If he ever grows into manhood, maybe he’ll pull that silver spoon out of his ass.
        Sorry ’bout dat, seen to many of his type over the years…someone else always pays for their arrogance. 27/09.

      • Steve

        Picking a guy in the 1st round who doesn’t sign isn’t a good pick. That’s part of making a good pick. Bittle’s bad shoulder would have been much harder to predict just by looking at him, but again if you select a 2nd round guy whose health is bad then that’s a bad pick as well.

        They deserve some blame for Bittle, and a LOT for Cole. You can’t blow your 1st and 2nd rounders like that. I know they have comp picks this year, but that’s a year of lost development time for whoever they select in their place.

  • A.D.

    Pick up Marte, he’ll still be a type A next year

    • Steve

      and he can pitch to Big Papi this year.

  • Brian

    For what it’s worth, Hughes is listed as the starter for your-your-your-your-your AzFL Javelinas tomorrow.

    • Steve

      Yay!!!!

      I got worried about him. But I guess it was the blister thing after all. Looking forward to a blister-free solid outing by Sir Philip of Hughesville.

      • Steve

        According to some reeports, Hughes ripped his fingernail off his hand during the Future Stars game and that’s why he’s been out. Should also explain his lousy performance.

  • Jay Walker

    This guys are simply sucking Girardi’s balls, the guy looked lost so many times and he’s still getting a free pass. “Starter Andy Pettitte (12-8) fell in step with his teammates’ trend last night, allowing nine runs on 11 hits in 5 1/3 innings, walking three and striking out four. It was his second-highest run total this season; he allowed 10 runs on June 7 against Kansas City.” The guy was getting hit F*cking hard like since the fourth inning and he was taken out of the game in the 6th inning. I think that as Yankees fans many of you have gotten used to Mediocrity.

    • pat

      what are you trying to say?

      • Count Zero

        I think he was commenting on Girardi’s bullpen management but I can’t be sure…

        • Steve

          It was just a stream of consciousness, free flowing rage kind of post.

          Posts like that don’t need a point.

    • steve (different one)

      yeah, Girardi screwed up that game against the Royals.

      no argument there.

      but what is your point? that there were 2-3 games out of 162 that Girardi mismanaged?

      if that’s your point, it’s pretty stupid.

      Girardi did a great job with the pitching staff this year. he nursed a bunch of stiffs to a .21 run lower ERA than the 2007 staff.

      the 2008 Yankees prevented runs better than they have in 5 years. that is a fact.

      citing one or two examples of poor decisions Girardi made is a pretty poor way to make an argument.

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    • Steve

      Nice, huh?

      I expect to see it on that blog of yours, with me properly credited.

  • Januz

    Whozat, what happened with Cole, is a case where this guy and his father simply wanted nothing to do with New York. Why I do not know (I think he is a spolied brat, who could not emotionally cut it here, but I cannot prove that). I think his reaction to being drafted by the Yankees, was a clue (Preferring to play golf than speak to the press (Just like when he refused to speak to the team)).
    As for the draft, you have to judge each draft by who is drafted, signed, and who makes the big leagues (Not just the drafting). Not getting him signed, has to be viewed as a negative. However, if his replacement pick is a success, and (or) he does not make the majors, then everything will be ok. If however, he succeeds, with a team like Boston, then this pick will haunt us for a long time.

    • Brian

      whozat was just saying it was a good draft. not signing cole, b/c of his dipshit ways or not, may be viewed as a bit of a failure, but it neither discredits the value of the pick nor the entirety of the Yankee draft.

      look, if cole is as swollen an asshole as we are led to believe, he can play for Boston all I care. The chance of him being that great aren’t as high as we would have liked to believe when we drafted him nor as low as we would wish now. But, it’s definitely not worth worrying about. We get taken care of in the end.

      And again, if Cole’s an asshat this young, he’ll be treated like one soon enough.
      Or, he’s just a victimized collegian who wants a degree….either way, who cares?

      • whozat

        “whozat was just saying it was a good draft. not signing cole, b/c of his dipshit ways or not, may be viewed as a bit of a failure, but it neither discredits the value of the pick nor the entirety of the Yankee draft.”

        Yes. I mean, look…picking a live arm like that and not signing him is a negative. However, given that no one foresaw what happened (which is a dick move on the draftee’s part…I mean, if you’re not even willing to come to a table with a team, TELL THEM THAT), it’s ridiculous to call it a “failed draft”. They made the right pick with every intention of getting the kid signed.

        In retrospect, the draft class is not that strong. But, given the information they had at the time of the drafting, the Yankees made the right choice. They also were willing to pay the kid enough to set him up for life, if he was smart. So…everything that was in their control, they did right. And, since the kids they signed + Cole = a good draft class, it’s hard to say that they had a “bad draft”.

        • Steve

          When you lose your 2nd and 3rd rounders (for whatever reason) its a bad draft. Whether or not they could have predicted what took place or done more to prevent it is another matter.

          I don’t think Oppenheimer or Cashman would say they were happy with this draft, and will likely take steps next year to prevent another it from happening again. The picks were good, but the results were bad.

          • steve (different one)

            how do you “take steps” from preventing the Cole fiasco again? serious question.

            i honestly don’t think they would have done anything differently.

            the kid signed with Boras. there was absolutely no reason to think he wasn’t gunning for a big payday, which the Yankees were happy to provide.

            it’s not like he was a college junior, and the Yankees screwed up so he went back to school to come back into the draft 1 year later.

            • Steve

              Maybe the future 1st rounders (or even all Yankee picks) will need to sign a letter of intent before they get picked, something like that. Similar to what they would sign when they commit to a certain college. I’m not sure how the timing of it would work, it might need to be done right when they are selected. If their agent/advisor has power of attorney, they could do it with a fax in less than a minute.

  • Steve S

    What I am noticing from these comments and from all the free agent comments is that no one is really acknowledging the $185M payroll limit. If that is true then we dont have widely reported $80M coming off the books. They have about $140M committed before arbitration, which means we probably can only get one of CC and Tex and even if they make the exception and sign both that means cutting corners in other ways. Spending $6M on a middle reliever is not spending conservatively. If they have no budget then there is no excuse.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      I think no one here is acknowledging that limit because no one on the Yankees is acknowledging that limit. I think it’s safe to assume that the Yanks have tossed that plan clear out the window. And really, why should they adhere to an $185 million payroll when they’re about to start playing in a money-printing stadium and have the resources to far exceed that total?

      • steve (different one)

        also, $185M may very well be the “goal”, but maybe they have plans to phase it in over 2-3 years.

        maybe the goal for this year is to go from $209M to $200M. then $195M next year. then $185M.

      • Steve S

        I agree Ben, but the one person who matters is the one who said it- Brian Cashman. And we all agree that for next year the proper move would be to keep Marte but if they are operating on this budget declining the option would be a purely financial decision. If they sign CC and either Tex/Manny, then they are committing close to $46M in salary next year, whats more likely they will sign them to backloaded contracts or contracts that arent as heavy next year.

        I dont know why they are adhereing to it but why would they say it. And how can we assume it if they havent even had a chance to offer a contract. All we have is Hank saying he personally likes Manny, which isnt committing dollars. We’ll see the approach when free agency actually begins.

  • ko

    Hopefully, this is just a manuever to sign Marte to a multiyear deal, otherwise its suicidal. Marte is a quality lefty arm in the bullpen and the Yankees don’t have any others. If they are relying on Coke, they must also be snorting it. I don’t buy this budget nonsense. The Yankees are making money hand over fist. With the Rays, the Red Sox and the Jays all are younger and more talented than the Yankees, one would think that the first priority would be talent and not budget. However, Cashman is a bean-counter at heart, apparently.

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