Tuesday Hot Stove League Open Thread
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The time is slowly passing, but now we’re just 48 hours or so away from when free agents are free to start negiotiating with new teams, the real meat & potatoes of the Hot Stove League. It makes you feel like a kid on December 22nd, oh so close yet so far away from Christmas.
The Hot Stove wasn’t so hot today, with the only actual player news involving Cy Lincecum & Salomon Torres’ retirement. Yeah, the Cubs reportedly offered $50M to Ryan Dempster, K-Rod’s agent made a radio appearance, and Matt Holliday’s dad made it be known he’d like to see his son in the Bronx, but that’s just a bunch of bark with no bite. Just like Hank.
Use this thread to talk hot stove or whatever else is on your mind tonight. The Knicks are in San Antonio, and #14 Ball State is taking on Ben Roethlisberger’s alma mater out in Oxford. Other than that, you have some early season college basketball games to check out. Good thing House is on.
“Joel Sherman of the New York Post reminds us that the Marlins excel at evaluating young talent. He says Nick Johnson, if healthy, figures to be trade bait now that the Nats have Willingham.”
Nick Johnson, anyone? As a plan B if we don’t land Tex, maybe. We all know he’s hideously injury prone, but he’s also always been a wonderful hitter. If Tex is off the board, he might be the best available option. Towers has consistently said A-Gon isn’t available.
BTW-That should put the Nats 200 mil for Tex rumors to bed. Now it looks like they’ll have to deal a 1B, not sign one.
Man someone should have askied that question in yesterday’s chat. Wait…..
John Manuel said Andrew Brackman had the highest ceiling of the 2007 draft class, over Price and Wietters.
probably has the smallest probability of reaching it tho.
What was his reasoning? Do you have a link?
That’s not anything new. Heading into the 2007 NCAA season, people were split on who was going to be the #1 overall pick in the June 2007 draft (between Brackman and David Price). However, the signs of a potential TJS procedure caused Brackman to fall into Damon Oppenheimer’s waiting hands.
http://www.pinstripealley.com/.....0-prospect
Gracias.
Yeah, that’s been out there since he was drafted. I was hoping he got into some detail as to why. Thanks anyway, though.
If all those guys do what they should in that projected rotation, I could live with Hughes as my 5
I don’t know about that, since I think Weiters ceiling is greatest offensive (and maybe overall) catcher ever.
thats pretty tall talk for a kid who was in AA last season
He’s right. Hey if he can reach 3/4 of that potential it would be a success.
Tim Lincecum wins the NL Cy Young but-but-but Webb had 22 wins this season.
Well, depending on how you view the award you could have given it to someone in a pennant race. Someone that pitched games that meant something. I know that’s not his fault, but its the same reasoning as to why you don’t give the MVP to someone on a last place team. For me, he would have had to have been far above all others (Like Steve Carlton in 72) and that wasn’t the case this year. Webb and Santana both had excellent, comparable seasons for pennant contenders.
I would have given it to Johan myself.
MVP is a different story.
Cy Young is just the best pitcher that season. Sure, you can get extra points for pitching well in big games, but Lincecum unquestionably deserved the win this year.
Don’t get hung up on the award names, they’re meaningless. Cy Young is generally considered the Pitchers award, MVP is the hitters award. And “unquestionably” is grossly overstating your case.
Here’s Lincecum
IP 227.0 H 182 R 72 ER 66 HR 11 BB 84 SO 265 W 18 L 5 WHIP 1.17 BAA .221 ERA 2.62
Johan
234.1 H 206 R 74 ER 66 HR 23 BB 63 SO 206 W 16 L 7 WHIP 1.15 BAA .232 ERA 2.53
Webb
IP 226.2 H 206 R 95 ER 83 HR 13 BB 65 SO 183 W 22 L 7 WHIP 1.20 BAA .242 ERA 3.30
Its six of one, half dozen of the other. I go with someone who pitched in games that meant something in cases like this. Its much easier to pitch in games with no pressure. Johan led the league in ERA and innings pitched, and still walked 21 fewer than Lincecum.
Johan FIP was nearly a run higher than his actual ERA and Lincecum was the same in fact his FIP was lower than his actual ERA. Johan was sorta lucky this season.
how are the mets pennant contenders when they havent made the playoffs in 2 years
does anyone know if shelley duncan is a free agent? What are the stipulations for a case like his? Would he be a minor league free agent? im not so much concerned with the player as i am the process.
I made a campus visit to SUNY Binghamton this weekend; holy crap, not living in a major city sucks ass. I love the fact that they have a great theatre program, but damn, the surrounding area is dead and quite inaccessible if you are without your own car. Also, I swear I saw at least three drug deals go down.
Oh, for those of you who are into indie movies and all, check out Let the Right One In. It’s about a 12-year-old girl-turned-vampire that befriends a 12-year-old boy. It is in Swedish with English subtitles. The only place it’s playing in NYC is at the Angelika Film Center. It’s really, fucking good.
and you see no drug deals in the city?
The guys at Nomaas, say we should have got Scott Olsen.
It’s always easy to say that as a person with absolutely zero knowledge of what conversations took place between Brian Cashman, Larry Beinfest and Michael Hill.
Also didn’t Girardi hate Olsen?
Yep.
I never really heard that. Sure they had that one publize confrotation but all was good after that. In fact, Olsen when Girardi was there was on his best behavior on and off the field.
from Olsen’s wikipedia page, these happened on Girardi’s watch:
Olsen has had a history of disciplinary problems with the Marlins and legal issues. He was given a black eye from friend and former teammate, Randy Messenger, during the 2006 season. Shortly afterwards, then-manager Joe Girardi, pulled Olsen by the collar and confronted him.
In a 7-6 loss to the New York Mets in July 2006, there was an incident involving former teammate, Miguel Cabrera. While pitching to Mets catcher Paul Lo Duca, Lo Duca hit a hard grounder that glanced off Cabrera’s glove and rolled into left field. A run scored and Lo Duca raced to second for a double. While the ball glanced off of Cabrera’s glove, Olsen seemed to believe that Cabrera did not give his full effort to get to the ball, and as they came off the field, Olsen could be seen shouting something at Cabrera. A moment later, television cameras showed Cabrera in the crowded dugout reaching past teammates to poke his finger at Olsen as the pitcher walked past him. Olsen tried to jab back at Cabrera, who charged Olsen and tried to kick the pitcher before both players were quickly separated by teammates.
okay didn’t know that one.
yeah, i think it was more about Willingham than Olsen.
i don’t think there is any way that Girardi would take Olsen back. the guy was a terror in Girardi’s clubhouse in FLA. total a-hole.
and he’s not a very good pitcher.
As soon as another GM begins to say ‘Phil Hughes’ Cashman hangs up the phone.
I actually don’t believe that’s true.
Yeah, I think he waits to hear the horrible proposal where we give up Phil Hughes and another player for a mediocre non-star before he hangs up the phone.
Out of courtesy.
Think he uses the old “I have to go to the Dentist” line? Like he would rather have root canal than listen to the GM’s proposal?
Listen here dear, step to the rear
Find yourself a seat, buy yourself a beer
Eat some pretzels, go play some videos
Thank you for your time honey, but hoe, I gotta go
I think I lost my coat, and plus I’m double parked
I thought you was my girl, you see, I can’t see in the dark
Anyway I’m out, out is where I be
I’ve got to step, “With the viscosity”
When you see a honey by the strobelite
Black I hope you got good sight
For honey that you see, like a Shakespeare soliloquy
May or may not be, all that
In fact, quite wacked
With the grill that makes you stop tracks
But neither here nor there fear
Unless, of course, you don’t care
Listen baby girl, let me say it slow
I.. HAVE… TO… GO…
Not to dis, but lets disperse
Yo, I’ll see you later, unless I see you first
they’re wrong
Considering how little they went for, its not a hideous argument. Here it is-
“Florida traded Josh Willingham and Scott Olsen to Washington yesterday for a package of three minor leaguers, none of whom is a better prospect than a guy like Jairo Heredia. Willingham has a career 117 OPS+ and plays solid defense. Olsen is a troubled kid, both with injuries and his attitude, but despite the obstacles he threw 200 innings with his left hand last year and his career path appears eerily reminiscent of Oliver Perez. We can only hope that the reason Cashman didn’t jump on these two intriguing players is because Jeremy Hermida is the next Marlin to be auctioned off. Even if he is, the price on the package the Nats got was ridiculously low, and raises some questions about what Cashman’s thinking was here. “
There is no argument. It’s “they didn’t get traded for a whole lot, so Cashman should have got them instead.” Typical crap you hear after every trade.
The Yanks have enough players with nagging injuries and no position like Willingham as it is, they don’t need another one. Olsen has good upside, but he’s got attitude problems. People bitch when Phil Hughes & Ian Kennedy have bad April’s, but what about Olsen’s last three years?
Remember when people were bitching yanks didn’t go after Paul Byrd when he went to the Sox.
I am not saying Paul Byrd would have been some sort of savior for the 2008 Yankees. With that being out of the way, he was/is way better then the Ponson/Rasner two headed dragon and he cost Boston only money. That’s what people were bitching about.
Byrd was pretty bad for Boston, nearly 3 baserunners every 2 innings, and an ERA near 5. If Cash picked him up, people would be complaining that he wasted time and money on that guy.
It’s because Boston got him. If the Jays or Angels or Rangers picked him up, no one would care.
Would you prefer Paul Byrd or Sidney Ponson?
I would prefer Byrd, but I’m not going to get hung up about it. It’s a minimal upgrade.
People were also complaining about the Yanks not getting Colon for the 2 weeks in May where he was pitching well for them, before he ended up on the 60 day DL, as he always does.
But hey, this is NY. People complain about everything. Somebody once said you could give people in NY free water and they would complain it had no taste. So “people complained” is like saying the sun came up. It’s not much of an argument.
Its not that I am hung up on it. There is just a legitimate argument as to why people were complaining that Cashman let Byrd go to Boston.
the Yankees were 9.5 games out and 6 behind Boston at the time.
the Red Sox were 3.5 game behind TB.
it made sense for Boston to spend the $2M for Byrd.
it didn’t really make sense for the Yankees to.
sometimes you have to know when to fold and stop throwing good money after bad.
the difference between Byrd and Ponson really wasn’t worth very much when you are only talking about 8 starts.
I didn’t want Colon but explain to me why Cashman will sign Victor Zambrano and Eric Milton to reclaimation project but then he lets pitchers like Colon and Freddy Garcia go elsewhere?
To say Brian Cashman “lets pitchers like Colon and Freddy Garcia go elsewhere” implies that you have first-hand knowledge of the events that took place to those two hurlers signing with the Red Sox and Tigers, respectively.
It’s irresponsible to say such a thing.
He did it just to piss you off.
>__<
eh, i remember when Colon was looking for a job. almost every team in baseball looked at his medical records and the word was that his shoulder was a “disaster”.
the Sox only signed him when Schilling went down.
he pitched a few games and got hurt.
i don’t remember what the deal was with Garcia, but i’d imagine it was because the Yankees season was over by the time he was ready. there just wasn’t any point.
as for Milton and Zambrano, who knows? the Yankees let a couple of their former farmhands rehab at their facilities. if they saw something, maybe they’d have given them an invite to ST this year.
I was actually responding to DCR. But the way my post nested below Jamal’s post, it still makes perfect sense but now has a totally different meaning.
Wow. Cosmic, man.
Jamal,
Its not irresponsible. Colon signed with Boston for a shot to win a ring. You don’t think the Yankees would have provided the same opportunity? Garcia was auditioning for a deal in 2009. Why wouldn’t he want to come to New York? The Yankees were scouting Garcia so they obviously passed on him. So are we not allowed to question non-moves just because we don’t have direct contact with Cashman? Thats retarded.
You are not questioning their non-roster moves, you are making implications about their motives, and posting statements such as: “The Yankees were scouting Garcia so they obviously passed on him”.
It is irresponsible to do something like that sans first-hand knowledge. How do you know they “passed” on Bartolo Colon and Freddy Garcia? How do you know Colon didn’t favor the Red Sox because of their 25-man roster that was sprinkled with such Dominican-born stars such as Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz? How do you know the reasons Freddy Garcia signed with the Detroit Tigers were more than trying to play for a contender? You don’t know, hence the irresponsible tag.
it’s called an opinion, you’re very overdramatic
What about the GM’s for every other team? What were they thinking? That makes no sense at all to blame Cashman for a trade that takes place between two other teams. I would not want Olsen on this team at all. And Willingham? Decent player sure, but how many LF’s can we play?
The grass is always greener. How dare two teams make a trade without consulting the other 28 GMs first!
dam i hope cashman gets off his duff early and starts bidding on the fa s .;..it seems like in the past that they wait and wait and lose out…you cant do that this year..to many teams interested in the same players…
hope we get cc and tex…..
really, when did they lose out on someone b/c they waited too long?
you hear those crickets?
DAMN YOU!!! YOU’LL RUE THE DAY, TREBEK!!!
I dont think the Yankees are sitting back and waiting on CC.
bad news I was told that the Yanks are weighing 3 or 1.The brain trust is in NY.to decide should they go all in for CC or try to sign more of the lesser F.A.I hope they remember,when it comes to f.a.it is always best to pay for the super star.Hoping that they remember that the all the Jaret Wrights of the world do not equal one CC.
Word. Pitchers are quite risky even the really good ones. If you sign 2 pitchers what are the chances that both are gonna pan out. To me avoid the Burnetts, Lowes and Perezs of the world. If they could get Sheets in the cheap, maybe take the chance.
To me my staff would be this:
CC
Wang
Joba
Pettitte
Hughes.
You can win with that staff especially if they pitch to their potential.
Lets count on Joba and Hughes (both injured, both on innings limits), pass on Lowe and maybe go after Sheets. This sounds like a great idea.
Aceves.
Don’t underestimate him.
What are the chances that shit happens again like last season? All seriousness, what happen in 08 was really worst case Scenario. What bad thing could happen, well happen. Some was just bad luck.
I think things could be different. Besides, With CC fronting the rotation with a healthy Wang, and Joba who before he got hurt was our best starting pitcher and at times was dominate, with Pettitte now being a 4th starter and Hughes at the 5th spot, your rotation is in solid shape no? Yes I know the risks but I really don’t wanna pay big money for Lowe or Burnett. Sheets I would try to get if the contract is reasonable.
if the Cubs offered Dempster $50M, then there probably aren’t going to be ANY “reasonable” contracts for pitchers this year….
call it the Carlos Silva affect. If your Dempster, and Silva gets $48 mil, you certainly expect way more than that.
Remember when Kris Benson got 3/21 and people thought that was absurd?
Wow that looks pretty damn good now.
I would love to get any of the pitchers we would look into for that kind of deal
Silva should be arrested for Robbery.
That is why it’s good to develop and keep young arms.
The Yankees can afford these guys. They aren’t the Royals. They’re in a position where they can allocate $13-$15MM to Derek Lowe over three years. I would rather spend a decent chunk of change on a proven starter then get a broken down starter like Sheets on the cheap.
And the chances are high since Hughes has missed significant time the past two years.
It’s about playing it smart. Sure Lowe is often healthy and gives ya decent innings but he’s not worth 15M dollars and clearly not a bang for those bucks. Sheets when healthy is better than Lowe and with a cheaper contract in this new ecconmy in baseball is quite significant.
So pass on the consistent healthy guy and go after the pitcher who has missed large chunks of time every year since 2004. Great plan.
Is Lowe better than CHW? No, but were gonna pay him 15M like he’s a front-line guy and he’s not especially in the AL East, where he struggled last time.
Sheets is a better pitcher with the stuff that translate well in the AL East. Yes he has risk, more so than most pitchers but at a reasonable contract he’s worth the risk.
Sheets hasn’t been any better than Lowe in the NL though, has no track record in the playoffs or the AL and can’t stay healthy. Lowe on the other hand is always healthy, has pitched well in the AL East and has pitched well in the playoffs. Ben Sheets has never gone into game 7 at Yankee Stadium on 2 days rest and fired 6 innings of 1 hit ball. Lowe has.
You’re not getting Sheets are a ‘reasonable contract’. Any deal he gets will be full of incentives that will bring his contract up to his proper value if he reaches them. Lowe struggled in 2004 but had an average 2003 and spectacular 2002.
The Yankees paid Andy Pettitte $16MM the past two years. Is he a front line guy?
Lowe had one good season as a starter in the AL East. His #’s in 03 and 04 were mediocre.
I can’t fault Sheets for not being in a big gmae or playoff game cuz hey his teams for most part weren’t good enough. And Yes Sheets hasn’t been healthy. But he is, he’s better than Lowe and Sheets stuff translate well in the AL East.
DRC, Pettitte yes was gettin 16M but those were one year contracts. Lowe might want a 4-Year deal at similar dollars. I wouldn’t be surprise if Pettitte pitch better than Lowe in 09 especially in the AL East.
He was also an All Star closer in the AL East. How is Sheets better than Lowe, the #’s don’t bear it out. And stuff doesn’t work as an argument, otherwise Farnsworth’s stuff would have translated.
You’re missing the point. It doesn’t matter of Ben Sheets is the new age, white Bob Gibson if he can’t take his turn in the rotation everyday. His injuries have ranged from his back to elbow to some weird thing with his vision a few years ago where he couldn’t see straight on the mound. If you want to take a chance on a pitcher whose injured a lot just sign Burnett. At least he has a resume in the East.
The Yankees paid Andy Pettitte $16MM the past two years. Is he a front line guy?
It depends on what you mean by a “front line guy”. If it’s FIP, Andy Pettitte’s 3.71 mark ranked higher than hurlers such as Cole Hamels, Felix Hernandez, James Shields, Matt Cain and Carlos Zambrano. Also, Jake Peavy ((3.60)in the N.L. West, mind you) and Jon Lester’s (3.64) respective FIP’s are just 0.11 and 0.07 points lower than Pettitte, respectively.
In terms of command, Pettitte’s BB/9 rate (2.43) was lower than such hurlers as Zack Greinke, Brandon Webb, Jon Lester, Jake Peavy, Tim Lincecum, Carlos Zambrano, Felix Hernandez, Chad Billingsley and Matt Cain. Also, Johan Santana’s BB/9 was just 0.01 points lower than Mr. Pettitte.
So, what exactly do you mean by “front line guy”?
*In terms of
commandcontrol…I’m glad somebody knows the difference between those two words. I’ve heard Al Leiter on YES broadcasts use “command” when he means “control”, and the fucking guy pitched professionally for 21 years.
I should have clarified myself there. I wasn’t trying to say Pettitte isn’t or hasn’t been good. I think the Yankees should be careful with him though. His elbow and back issues the past two seasons are troublesome.
I’m actually trying to figure out the difference between the 2 of them for quite some time. Could you please be of any assistance?
Control = being able to throw the ball over the plate
Command = being able to throw the ball where you want it (on the black, at the knees, etc)
It’s possible to have good control and bad command, but not vice versa.
Is Control the definition of throwing the pitches in your arsenal for strikes and Command the ability to throw the specific pitch with the sharpness and break that he would prefer?
Essentially, yes. Control is throwing strikes, command is throwing quality strikes, if that makes sense.
Command is your ’stuff’.
Control is where you put it.
Its really not complicated.
So if a pitcher is throwing strikes, hitting the catcher’s glove and still getting clobbered (Hughes) he doesn’t have good command that night.
If a pitcher doesn’t know where the ball is going, falls behind hitters all night then he doesn’t have good control.
Figured. Thanks, Y’all!!!
you were told? Where are your sources from? Cash is a neighbor of ours and he doesnt tell us crap!
what i wanna know is why cashman passed up on meche? that was the guy to get 5 years 55 mill looks pretty good.
All of the people that can’t understand why Cash didn’t get player x and y, or make these trades realize it’s a 25 man roster right? What are we going to do with all of these people that Cash “didn’t go after”?
And Meche was coming off 4 straight years of below league average pitching, would that really have made any sense? The Royals needed to make a splash, and way overpaid for Meche. Luckily for them he became a completely different pitcher, now he’s league average. Wonderful.
He actually pitched well enough to earn that contract, which we all thought was crazy at the time. He always had good stuff, maybe they saw something the rest of us didn’t. He’s certainly improved since he’s been there, why I don’t know.
And at the time Moore was laughed at for overspending. So what Cashmans problem was is that he wasnt a fortune teller. He really should have studied tarot cards in college and figured out that pitching was going to skyrocket in price in the coming years, and that a below average pitcher was going to become useful. And I am not a Cashman guy, but some people just ask too much.
Between fortune telling and making trades that only help the Yankees and no other teams in baseball, some fans are ridiculus
How about the fact that in the four, full, Major League seasons that Gil Meche pitched prior to his 2007 season with the Royals, he had a WHIP that ranged from 1.34 to 1.57 and an OPS+ that ranged from 82 to 99. Also, in the 2004-2005 seasons he had an ERA of 5.01 and 5.09, respectively. Lastly, in the seasons he pitched prior to his 2007 with the Riyals, he never even eclipsed the 190-innings-pitched plateau.
In layman’s terms, Gil Meche was a fragile and below-average pitcher prior to his 2007 campaign. That’s why Brian Cashman did not feel the need to commit $11M to him – annually – over five years.
Everyone’s a genius after the fact.
I want all these brilliant folks to tell us who will pitch great NEXT year. Because that’s what they’re asking Cashman to do, and nobody has a crystal ball.
3 or 4 SP’s who are going to be FA’s.. Bedard excluded
Can we stop with the Yankees should of gotten this guy, or had this guy and this and that and etc. Please it’s just real inrational and really inrelavent talk at this point.
this never would have happened if we traded for santana
These posts would have never happened if we would have traded Jamal for Peter Abraham when we had the chance.
Cashman should have traded tommiesmithjohncarlos for phukthephills from Metsblog when he had the chance.
Pray tell, who is this “phukthephills” character, and what idiocy has he spewed across the web?
Just a regular at Metsblog with the propensity for “five middling prospects for so-and-so star player” proposals. Except his are extra hilarious.
its not his fault all mets prospects are middling
The Wilpons take slot money VERRRY seriously.
Good, more for us. I wish everyone else would draft that way.
Fuck Dave Dombrowski, fuck him right in the ear.
Is “phukthephills” appropriately snarky and irrelevant? I don’t want us getting jobbed in that trade.
No, but the Yanks would be banking on upside.
RidiculousUpside.com said I have ridiculous upside. I’m a stud, Phil-Hughes-style.
Phil Hughes style? You know he only throws 91 mph right?
In my opinion you are more valuable to this blog than phukethephills is to metsblog.. Your better for our future here than he is there
We gotta make up for it now and sign CC
what i wanna know is why cashman passed up on meche?
hilarious.
at the time, even the ROYALS admitted they overpaid because it was hard to get free agents to come to KC.
that contract was like the model for overpriced pitching at the time. it was a joke. but inflation has made it look ok.
the guy had NEVER had a 200 inning season with an ERA under 4.50 in his career before he signed that contract.
hey, good on him and good on KC. i’m glad it worked out for them.
but suggesting that Cashman was negligent for passing on giving a 5 year contract for Gil Meche is the height of revisionist bullshit.
Who cares? Shouldn’t we be trying to figure out why Cashman passed on drafting Albert Pujols? That drafting would have solved this whole first base issue.
Why, with our centerfield void did he pass on drafting Sizemore? Cash sucks, end of story.
Seriously. Hello, Matt Holliday, 7th round, anyone paying attention up there???
The Yanks were busy in 1998, winning just about every fucking game on their schedule.
CHURCH!
seriously.
every GM in baseball passed him up at least 12 time, they should all be shot.
They couldnt evaluate talent if it was a 98 mph fastball hitting them in the face
Ivan-
“Sheets is a better pitcher with the stuff that translate well in the AL East. Yes he has risk, more so than most pitchers but at a reasonable contract he’s worth the risk.”
I agree. I cant see making much of a distinction between Burnett and Sheets, either as pitchers or for their health history. So I would limit my exposure and take the guy who will go for the shorter deal. By all accounts Sheets is expecting to get 2-3 years whereas Burnett is looking for 4-5 years. Plus, Burnett is 3 years older than Sheets.
I didnt really look through much of the dad wanting holliday to yanks thread but anyone think that could effect him wanting to sign with us next year ? I know in the end it will all come down to money but maybe it has some kind of effect ?
You ever heard the old saying “That, and $2 gets you on the subway”?
Well that, and 150 mil will get him on the Yankees.
2$ wont get ya on the subway for very much longer.
Yeah, I heard.
BTW-Take that to ‘2nd Ave Sagas’ Sir! This is the YANKEEEEEE THREAD!!
BTW-Take that to ‘2nd Ave Sagas’ Sir! This is the YANKEEEEEE open THREAD!!
Destiny from the rock of love charm school ? Her or Brandi C ?
Man what the Padres did to Hoffman is pathetic… Didnt even meet with him
The FO said they’d still meet with him. A friend in SD told me they were getting torn apart in the papers and on the radio today.
They should get torn apart.. I could see lowering his salary but to act this type of a way for a guy like Hoffman.. Your franchise, the guy people think bout when they think Padres.. All time saves leader..
shades of bernie ;(
It’s a very similar situation, except :
Hoffman’s status in SD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bernie’s status in NY
That dude IS San Diego.
He’s only second to Tony Gwynn
Uh uh. Hoff > Fat Tony. I’m telling you, Hoffman’s a God there.
Don’t Hassel the Hoff.
Really?? Ok Mike you know more than me I’ll take your word for it
Also, Hoffman had the highest K/9 rate (9.13) since 2003 (11.00); lowest BB/9 rate (1.79) since 2004 (1.32); and highest K/BB rate (5.11) since 6.63 (2004). I don’t think the situations are comparable because Hoffman is actually a quality Major League reliever; Bernie Williams was not at the time (when you look at both his 2007 and 2008 seasons).
And Hoffman is more valuable now then Bernie was at the time.
JESUS ALL I SAID WAS SHADES OF BERNIE. TWO VETS NEARING THE END OF THEIR CAREERS NOT WANTED BY THE CLUB THEY PLAYED THEIRCAREERS FOR. YOU OVERANALYTICAL FJM WANNA BE PUNKS
I DON’T KNOW WHY WE’RE YELLING!!!!!!!
-Sincerely,
Brick Tamland
Since we got into the misuse of pitching terms here, anyone else have any other misused/misapplied sports terms, that you hear constantly which drive you nuts?
I should probably give up on this one, because I’m horrendously outnumbered and its become common usage at this point. But referring to anything in Baseball as “Offense” and “Defense” is my pet peeve. Those are Football terms, and ill suited for Baseball. Baseball has three sides, hitting, pitching and fielding. When people say the “Yankees need to improve their offense” I wonder if they want them to sign Terrell Owens or something.
Since we got into the misuse of pitching terms here, anyone else have any other misused/misapplied sports terms, that you hear constantly which drive you nuts?
“What happened to the whole youth movement?!?!?!?!”
So where does baserunning fit in?
Since we got into the misuse of pitching terms here, anyone else have any other misused/misapplied sports terms, that you hear constantly which drive you nuts?
Grit. It might not be misuses, but it’s definitely overused.
Grit, Gritty, Gutty, Gut, Gamer, “in-tangibles”
These things don’t actually win baseball games. Maybe they help David Lee get a rebound, or Brett Favre jump up after a sack, but they don’t make Casey Blake the missing piece to take you to a world series
hey my birthday is december 22nd =]
Anyone think Bay is a red sock in 2010 ?
I think a lot will depend on how he plays next year. If he plays well they resign him, if not they go after Crawford and Holliday.
Also, if any of their OF prospect make have changes development that could affect there choice.
Ha haaaaaaaaaa!
This has got to be the funniest / weirdest / greatest thread in the history of RAB!!! Seriously.
Btw, I’ve noticed lately most people write “Cashman should OF done so and so” as opposed to “should HAVE done…”. Am i the one that needs my head examined or are THEY the ones that are grammatically incorrect?
Very interesting scouting report on BA on Austin Jackson. It seem that while he may or may not be a star but most of his tools are good albeit not spectacular. It said that he’s similar to Bernie with less power but better D. Hey I’d take that.
my son told me he heard a comment, ESPN maybe, that new stadiums should have retractable domes to avoid the Oct/Nov weather mess we saw in the WS.
Interesting idea. Cannot image how the new Yankees stadium would look w/ a retractable dome but unless they shorten the regular season it makes sense.