Nov
11

What would happen if the Yankees didn’t bring back Derek Jeter?

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It’s been all over the baseball wires this week: The San Diego Padres have pulled their offer for closer Trevor Hoffman, and by all appearances he won’t be back with the team in 2009. This is not going over well with San Diegoans (San Diegans). They’ve known Trevor since 1993, when he came over in a trade which sent Gary Sheffield to Florida. Since then he’s racked up 554 saves, more than anyone in major league history. To San Diegans, he is Mo.

We had a scare, albeit slight, last winter when Marino Rivera’s contract expired. Most of us were certain he’d re-sign, so we never really entertained the notion of life without Mo. I can’t imagine how the San Diegans feel right now, knowing that they won’t hear Hells Bells before the ninth inning in 2009.

This makes me think ahead to Derek Jeter‘s contract, which expires after the 2010 season. You’d like to think Jeter and the Yanks will make swift work of it, banging out an amicable contract without any media hassle. At this point, why think anything else? But just for a second, ponder what it would be like if the Yankees muffed negotiations with Derek Jeter, and he wound up playing elsewhere in 2011. Can you even?

Back to the present, while it’s unfathomable to some of us that Derek Jeter would ever leave New York, that’s just the nature of the game now. We love to see players stick with one team their whole careers, but that’s not how things work any more. Players want to maximize their earnings while they’re still able. Teams don’t want to overpay for talent, as most work within a budget. The result is the player looking for a team which can afford to pay (or overpay) for his services. It can happen to anyone, even Derek Jeter. Though I still have to say, it’s not likely.

Hey, Jeter’s scheduled to make $21 million in 2010. If the Yankees bring him back, they’ll certainly not pay him $21 million a season, meaning he’s going to have to take a pay cut. Things could get messy when they start exchanging actual figures. So think about that. It’s probably how San Diegans feel right now.

Categories : Hot Stove League
  • Derek

    Sandiegites*

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      San Diagans?

      Garth, if I were to give you some money out of my wallet, would that ease the pain?

      • Steve

        Sandy Eggo.

        or a really bad waffle.

  • Ivan

    Hey we just have to wait for that day to come. Until then really it’s quite an difficult question to answer.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

    You’d like to think Jeter and the Yanks will make swift work of it, banging out an amicable contract without any media hassle.

    They will. Derek’s good at banging stuff out. Often, without any media hassle.

    • dan

      Usually the media doesn’t know about his girls though. ;)

      • dan

        That joke was a stretch, but work with me here.

        • Jack

          What joke?

    • Steve

      As long as he pays for their parking.

    • LiveFromNewYork

      The universe would be upside down if Jeter played elsewhere. First of all the guy has not wanted to be anything but a Yankee since the 4th grade and the Yankees do nothing but reward loyalty. It’s a never in a million years scenario.

  • dan

    Surprised nobody asked the question already… would Hoffman be open to pitching the 8th inning? He’d cost about the same the yanks would have paid Marte had they exercised the option. So they’d just use that money on Hoffman instead of extending Marte. Let’s say he’d take $6million. Deal or no deal?

    • Ivan

      Not really. Besides, we got Edwar Ramirez who is similar to Trever anyway in concern with pitching/stuff.

      • dan

        I’m leaning towards no, also. Wouldn’t surprise me if the Mets offered him a year and maybe an option, waiting for someone like Soriano, Putz, or Betancourt to be available next winter.

      • RoobC

        you mean Edwar “good hittin'” Ramirez?

      • Steve

        If Edwar pitched in the hideous NL West with 19 games a year against the murderer’s row lineups of the Giants, Dodgers, Diamondbacks, and Rockies I’d bet he puts up similar if not better numbers than a 40 year old Hoffman would.

        We all know there are league adjusted stats, but someone should come up with “Division adjusted” due to the weighted schedules we have these days. He spends half the year facing garbage lineups.

        • Steve

          Trevor Hoffman ERA+ 101

          Edwar Ramirez ERA+ 114

          And again that’s league adjusted, not division adjusted. Which would widen the gap further given that Edwar pitches in the AL East.

  • X-Man(Angel)

    I know, but we have to move him from SS

  • ortforshort

    You’d have to bet that Derek would handle 2011 as he has handled everything else – perfectly. when he does go, he’ll be impossible to replace.

    • dan

      Especially now that Alberto Gonzalez is gone.

      • X-Man(Angel)

        lol

    • John

      Players who could replace Derek Jeter’s on-field value both offensively and defensively:

      Miguel Tejada
      J.J. Hardy
      Jose Reyes
      Jimmy Rollins
      Hanley Ramirez
      Yunel Escobar
      Rafael Furcal
      Troy Tulowitzki
      Jhonny Peralta
      Mike Aviles
      Jed Lowrie
      Michael Young

      So I wouldn’t quite say he’s impossible to replace.

      • John

        Oh, and Alex Rodriguez

      • MClairmont

        Perhaps they could replace him statistically speaking, but as an ambassador of New York baseball none of these would come close. I’m not even a Yankee fan – quite the opposite really – but you have to have some perspective on what this person has accomplished in the game, and what that means to the city and the sport. Somehow I can’t quite see Yunel Escobar leading his team back after 9/11, hitting a game-winning homerun and earning the title Mr. November. Say what you want of the Yankees, Derek Jeter is a baseball hero the same way Ruth and Gehrig were heroes. You can always bring someone in who’ll hit as many homeruns, steal as many bases or turn more double plays, but when Derek Jeter leaves this will be a very, very different ball game.

  • Old Ranger

    I still wonder if he would retire rather then move to 1st/OF? I know he wants to get to 4000 hits and some other records he wants but, might he retire? Going out on top is sweet. 27/09.

  • BigBlueAL

    The world will come to an end….

  • Josh

    If Jeter was not back with the Yankees, I imagine it would be the fault of the organization. Therefore, I would have trouble continuing to root for the team.

    • whozat

      So, if Jeter still sees himself as a shortstop in 2011, you’d consider that that fault of the organization? What if he continues to view himself as a 20 million dollar a year ballplayer?

      It’s far from as mindless and cut-and-dry as you make it seem.

      • RustyJohn

        Exactly..and the earlier comment that he would handle it perfectly needs some refining- the way he handled the ARod transition? Because Lord knows Jeter is a better shortstop than ARod was. Does he handle his injuries well? Because I don’t consider a player who refuses to sit out a few games and instead plays hurt to be a “team player” when subpar play hurts the team.

        My concern is that his ego would get in the way and he would refuse to move to a position better suited for him. And then, if he moves to a position like left field, is he going to take the pay of a singles hitting left fielder?

    • AndrewYF

      This means that you are a Derek Jeter – not a Yankees – fan.

      • radnom

        Can’t he be both?
        He said he would side with the person not at fault.

    • steve (different one)

      If Jeter was not back with the Yankees, I imagine it would be the fault of the organization.

      what if Jeter sucks by 2010?

  • Al

    I think it is going to be interesting once they really start to exchange numbers. By the time 2011 rolls around Jeter is going to be only the 5th or 6th highest paid player on the team, if that. How will he handle that?

  • cv1047@txstate.edu

    just the thought of it terrifies me… i predict a ZERO % chance of it happening, but i would be devastated seeing him in a different uniform… too sad to even think about

  • Peter Lacock

    They’ll give him a lifetime contract that solves all money issues.
    He will never play anywhere other than SS.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      You have the best handle since “Austrian Gay TV”.

      • Peter Lacock

        Thank You!
        My Dad gets credit.

        • MClairmont

          you guys know that there was a ballplayer name Peter LaCock not that long ago, rigth?

          • http://yahoo jad

            Whose father was a game show host!! Peter Marshall

  • Stewman23

    TRADE HIM TO THE MARLINS NOW!!! WHILE WE CAN STILL GET HERMIDA!!!! MAYBE MAYBIN TOO!!!

    • Ari

      I’m not sure if this comment is serious or not, so I’m just going to respond to it as if it is and say that I hope the team never trades Jeter, and does all it can within reason to keep him around. I fully acknowledge that his defense at short is quickly evaporating, as is his power, and that it would be best for all concerned if he agrees to move to a different position (OF?). That said, one of the reasons I love this team, and I sure this is true of a lot of fans, is because the Yankees transcend baseball. The winning is part of it, a big part for sure. But when it comes down to it the Yankees wouldn’t be the Yankees if they didn’t respect their history. And at this point Jeter (and Mo as well) a part of that history. They are iconic Yankees, and will probably be in the same sentence some day (at least when talking strictly about the Yankees) as Ruth, Mantle, Dimagio, etc. You just can’t let guys like that walk. Frankly, as long as we’re on the subject, it is for exactly this reason that I’m pissed about how the departures of Torre and Bernie were handled (more so Torre because I think he will have a more lasting place in Yankee history, though I really love Bernie), and though I’m not a Packers fan (Big Blue all the way!) I can’t believe that they essentially forced Favre out. The same is true with the Knicks and Ewing (and karma has been biting them in the ass ever since). I guess that’s it. Basically, I’d sooner see the Yankees suffer through a couple years of poor defensive play from Jeter (hopefully it won’t come to that) than see him in anything other than Yankee pinstripes.

      • Dave

        What you seem to forget is part of the Yankees mystique is their mechanical approach without much care for individual players. Babe Ruth was forced out in 1934 when it was obvious that he wanted to be a player manager. Dimaggio was quickly replaced with Mantle. Casey Stengel was forced out due to “old age” after losing the WS in 1960. Even more recently, the way the team treated Bernie continues the pattern. I would expect more of the same, where they shower Jeter with praise until he’s no longer useful and then he will be quickly shown the door.

        • Old Ranger

          Babe Ruth was done as a player in 1933, they kept him around because he was the Babe. He demanded to be player/manager, they let him go in ’34.
          Joe D. wasn’t let go…he wanted to retire…because of bone spurs on his feet.
          Casey lost control of the team and was a drama King in his last two years with the Yanks. He was also, one of the best judges of talent I’ve ever seen and would (did) switch a player from one position to another if he felt it was a better fit for the player/team.
          Bernie never came to grips with the fact he was a defensive/offensive liability, he was given one more year on his contract then the team should have given him.
          I am hoping that Jeter goes out like Joe D. and Moose…on top! Worry about who replaces him when it happens…we all age but, 35+ at SS is very old.
          I hope this answers all your questions. 27/09.

  • Brian

    People speak of Jeter’s ego tripping up his eventual move from SS. I don’t see that. I see a guy who will wonder (a la Mike Mussina) who will do a better job, but if a respectable player is going to be there, I see Jeter having no problems playing somewhere else. LF, 2B, 1B, 3B…not sure which but any of those could happen, and Jeter won’t play for another team.

  • mooks

    This might get really messy.

    As he ages, he might not want to move positions.

    As for money, we don’t know if he would be happy taking any kind of cut (I doubt he would), especially if there are other players on the team making more then him (with less accomplishments).

    There are also records and milestones he may want to reach (which means number of years on his contract).

    Him leaving? It would be like Babe Ruth (oh wait, he did leave), or the Yankees letting Reggie Jackson go (um, hold on a sec) .

    Look, at the end of the day, he won 4 rings as a Yankee, and he was home grown, it would like letting Andy Pettite go somewhere else, oh wait, dang.

    Now I am worried.

  • JeffG

    The easiest answer to this is we are not the San Diego Padres. We have the biggest bank and that isn’t going to change. Without a salary cap there no chance we lose him as we can easily afford to shoot him a bigger contract without hurting our ability to compete.
    Yanks wins make money but so does marketing. Jeter is the face of the team. He’s the captain. He’s NY. He’s worth more here than he’d be worth elsewhere. I’d even say he’d lose more money by going to another team because the endorsements wouldn’t be equal.
    Past 2011 when he is really going to be nearer to the end of the road one can only hope that he has pride enough to be like O’neil.

    • steve (different one)

      Without a salary cap there no chance we lose him as we can easily afford to shoot him a bigger contract without hurting our ability to compete.

      this is not true. it would hurt their ability to compete if Jeter is NO LONGER a good player.

      i’m not saying he won’t be, but it’s not out of the question.

      there are more “costs” that just salary. there is opportunity cost.

      • JeffG

        Granted there are some costs and the position may suffer for sure, but I was thinking more in the line of the Ewing / Farve references posted above. When there is a cap on what you can spend and a single player is taking away from the team because you can’t adjust payroll up then that is where a team can’t keep players because it means they have to subtract from other positions.
        For example Farve probably earned the Packers a lot of extra revenue just like Jeter does but where we can afford to pay Jeter extra in light of that Green Bay can’t because there is a limit on what they can spend.

  • Rob

    Don’t forget: If Jeter stays mostly healthy, he’ll be in the 2900’s for hits at the end of 2010. But I’m not sure who gets the leverage at that point, him to get 3000 in Pinstripes or the Yanks to have it happen on a team that may or may not be contending.

    If Jeter continues regressing to that point, with an average but little else, hopefully all involved see the value of a one-year deal.

  • Rob

    Then there’s also this:

    http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/vRYB

    Jeter could lay claim, right now, to the best offensive SS of all-time. Of course a few more seasons like the last and he’ll be closer to Barry Larkin territory.

    Honus Wagner, you say? If you drop the criteria to 80% of games played, he shows up at #1 with 154 OPS+.

    • pat

      if arod hadnt moved he would be the greatest offensive SS in history

      • Rob

        Perhaps, but I can’t see how A-Rod would have stayed at SS for the rest of his career, as Jeter will. Sure, Jeter should have been moved. But it won’t happen now.

  • Januz

    I think it is very possible that Jeter can be gone after 2010. He is simply not a $20m ballplayer anymore. That being said, there are a number of factors that will determine whether or not he remains in the Bronx. 1: His production. If he turns into a below average hitter?. 2: If a younger alternative is ready (Such as Angelini)? 3: The economy? 4: The length of the contract? 5: Would another team give him give him a lot of money and a multi-year contract. All those being said, the main thing that will determine what happens to Jeter is the profitability of the Yankees. These are NOT George’s Yankees anymore.

    • AndrewYF

      Jeter’s going to have a career season at the age of 36, and the Yankees will be forced to give him a 5-year, $100 million contract.

      But I won’t complain, because that means he just had his best year at the age of 36.

  • Steve S

    I think the point might be moot because surveying the scene there is absolutely no logical replacement. The only guy out there who might (emphasis on the might) is Jimmy Rollins and I would think the Phillies would do everything to resign him. Plus Jimmy will be 30 next year so he wont exactly be young. Looking at the rest of the league, there really isnt anything coming on the scene that would a logical alternative. And the Yankees really have nothing in the minors, they wont be able to draft anyone. Look at this year the best possible guy is Raphael Furcal, who is probably damaged goods. Thats why I think they resign him, its almost like the Jorge Posada deal.

    • steve (different one)

      i’m not disagreeing with you, but this is still TWO years away.

      there may very well be some attractive alternatives in the winter of 2010-2011 that are not apparent right now.

      maybe the Yankees are so flush in pitching prospects that they could trade for Hanley Ramirez without so much as blinking.

      too early to say.

      • Steve S

        And that was my point, Im not saying it cant happen, but its way too premature to start the conversation about him leaving the Yankees. I could argue thats its too soon to even talk about asking him to change positions. But I really think when people discuss this stuff they really should have a logical alternative or replacement. Its almost as if its become sheik amongst those in baseball to rip and downgrade Derek Jeter and diminish what he is done. And whether or not its intentional, when you start talking about DJ leaving the team two years from now its seems like your throwing the dirt on the guy when he really doesnt deserve that, especially at this point.

        And of course if they could have Hanley then the debate should rage on but thats not a reality.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          Meh, two years from now, both DJ and Hanley could be centerfielders.

          HanRam isn’t exactly Luis Aparicio himself…

  • Steve

    Pinstripes Plus says they released their prospect rankings.

    I don’t subscribe, anyone know who they are?

    • Andy In Sunny Daytona

      Montero is #1. No Melvin Croussett. The list is bullshit.

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona

        DJ Mitchell is #11. Damn Clemson Tigers.

  • Steve

    “The Yankees are getting closer to a multi-year deal with Damaso Marte, according to a source. Marte is seeking a three-year contract, and given the lack of lefthanded relievers in baseball, the Yanks could grant his wish after declining his $6 million option last week. Marte, 33, went 5-3 with a 4.02 ERA in 72 combined appearances with the Pirates and Yankees in 2008.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....eady_.html

    No surprise to anyone. Good move.

    • AndrewYF

      A 3-year deal to any non-closer is a terrible idea.

      Or don’t you remember Kyle Farnsworth?

      • steve (different one)

        i’m not crazy about it, but to be fair, Marte is a much better than Farnsworth was when they signed him.

        if this is for something like $4-5M a year, it will be fine.

        i would have just picked up the option, but it’s not worth getting upset over either.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          At first blush, I don’t liek the idea of giving Marte a three-year deal. However, if this gives us the roster flexibility to give Phil Coke and Humberto Sanchez an extended shot at becoming starters, that’s a good thing.

  • Relaunch

    Yes, we have all loved Jeter. But his skills are diminishing and he seems adamant not changing positions. That, and he isn’t a player that should be making near any of the top players in the game at this/that stage in his career.

    Although I think he will still be here, it wouldn’t be a schock if he left. And since his decline has already started, it may not be a bad thing.

  • this is ze david

    Our pitchers would work less….

  • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

    The Yankees better do whatever they have to do to keep him. Pay the man. You payed Alex the Purple Lipped Princess, you better pay Jeter.

    Jeter already said he has no interest in coaching or managing EVER. He said he would like to be an owner of a MLB team. The day he stops playing they should sell him a piece of the Yankees. I think Derek knows a little bit more about winning than Hank or Hal does.

    So if Jeter really wants to own a team or a piece of a team he needs to keep playing to maximize his earnings. I do not see Jeter leaving the game too early.

    I never cared if Bernie went elsewhere, I really thought that the Yanks (read Cashman) messed up the last contract situations with Posada, Mussina, and Mariano (the last two contracts with Mo and Moose) I think a good way to get the Jeter thing done would be do start working on it now, see where Jeets head is on this one and come to some sort of lifetime deal ala Boston and Wakefield at a much higher dollar amount.

    • steve (different one)

      The Yankees better do whatever they have to do to keep him. Pay the man. You payed Alex the Purple Lipped Princess, you better pay Jeter.

      this sentiment is absurd. Jeter has nothing to do with A-Rod.

      if Jeter has 2 more offensive seasons in 2009 and 2010 that are identical to his 2008 season, the Yankees should certainly not be willing to pay him whatever he wants just because his name is Derek Jeter.

      also, how did Cashman “mess up” Mussina’s last contract? what are you talking about?

      • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

        A-Rod is the most overpaid guy on a team full of overpaid players. A-Rod’s marketing value to Yankees fans is less than Jeter’s. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. What Jeter means to this team and it’s history you can not buy. If you think otherwise you sir are a mook.

        As far as Cashman and his botching of deals. Cashman refuses to deal with guys aleady under contract. That gets us into longterm big money deals when guys are free agents. We then have to compete against the free market. Guys on the last year of deals have many times asked the Yankees to sign another year or two on, and it never happens.

        We always end up overpaying because of this.

        Cases in point: Posada, Rivera, Moose.

        If you want to go even further back look at Jeter. We have never locked up anybody early until Cano, and he was the wrong player to lock up.

        • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/2000/01/18/jeter_ap/index.html steve (different one)

          test

          • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/2000/01/18/jeter_ap/index.html steve (different one)

            As far as Cashman and his botching of deals. Cashman refuses to deal with guys aleady under contract. That gets us into longterm big money deals when guys are free agents.

            ok, for the 500th time. click the link under my name.

            you will find PROOF that Cashman was dealing with Jeter on a 7 year $119M way cheaper than what he eventually signed for.

            what happened later was that Steinbrenner overruled Cashman on a deal he already negotiated.

            this was STEINBRENNER’S policy to not negotiate before free agency. not Cashman’s.

            so, not only are you WRONG, you are obnoxious about it. great combination.

            and again, how did Cashman botch the Mussina contract? Moose got was considered to be a very fair, even slightly below market 2 year extension for 2007-2008. that was a very good contract for the Yankees.

            do you even have any idea what you are talking about?

            i guess “facts” are for “mooks”.

            • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/2000/01/18/jeter_ap/index.html steve (different one)

              that should read:

              “you will find PROOF that Cashman was dealing with Jeter on a 7 year $119M contract ONE FULL YEAR before Jeter hit Free Agency, which was way cheaper than what he eventually signed for.”

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          A-Rod is the most overpaid guy on a team full of overpaid players.

          I don’t care. There’s no law that says that you can’t win the World Series if you have overpaid players. In fact, there’s likely a great correlation between World Series championship teams and teams with overpaid players.

          A-Rod’s marketing value to Yankees fans is less than Jeter’s.

          True. And, yet, while Derek Jeter is the #1 king of baseball marketability, ARod is #1A. The gap between Jeter and ARod is monumentally smaller than the gap between those two and whomever is currently #3 (probably Ortiz). Jeter is the gold-egg-laying goose for the Yankees. ARod is their other goose who also lays golden-eggs, albeit slightly smaller ones. And his value is increasing as he approaches the HR milestones. The four main reasons that we have the ability to build this huge new cathedral of baseball across the street are 1) We’re the Yankees, 2) We have YES, 3) We have Jeter, 4) We have ARod. They support our cashflow and they reinforce each other.

          What Jeter means to this team and it’s history you can not buy.

          Well, actually, we did buy it, for $189M over 10 years. We also bought what ARod can and likely will mean to this team and its history, for $275M over 10 years. Both of those will probably prove to have been wise purchases.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones
        • Relaunch

          DonnieBaseballHallofFame,
          Maybe the dumbest posts written all year. Keep up the great work.

          • Dave

            I’m not sure how people can compare Jeter and A-Rod and still like Jeter more. Statistically A-Rod is much better. Defensively A-Rod was and is better. Jeter is better for marketing. For baseball A-Rod is WAY better. There are 10-15 shortstops that are already better than Jeter (and that’s being nice). His defense (from any metric or visual standpoint) is horrendous. His offense is declining and that was the only thing that made him good. Yes, he’s got the swagger and confidence that everyone loves, but he’s just not that good anymore. So, as Yankee fans do you want a good team with good players or do you want over-paid, under-performers filling the roster? Right now Jeter’s contract is terrible…anything similar in a few years will be a pure donation. It will be hard to see Jeter in another uniform, but if he doesn’t switch to the OF or 2B then it has to happen.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

    Mo: Hello!
    Jeter: Whoo! Marco!
    Mo: Polo!
    Jeter: Brian. You having a good time?
    Mo: I’m having a great time.
    Jeter: That makes two of us.
    Mo: Derek, you’ve gotta meet this girl. She used to be an MTV VJ, but she broke her pelvis.
    Vanessa, meet Ron Burgundy.
    Vanessa Minillo: Hey, Derek.
    Jeter: Hello.
    Vanessa: I’ve got a big story for you.
    Jeter: Mmm-hmm.
    Vanessa: And it’s right… here.
    Jeter: Well, hello… You pointed to your BOOBIES!
    Mo: Oh, my God, you did!
    Jessica Beil: Derek Jeter?
    Jeter: Yes?
    Jessica: I have had a crush on you since I was a little girl… Let’s go somewhere.
    Mo: Oh, I’m telling you, it don’t get no better than this.
    Jeter: We’ve been coming to the same party for the past 12 years, and in no way is that depressing!

    • Chip

      Jeter: You know what I like about young actresses?
      Mo: What’s that?
      Jeter: I keep getting older but they stay the same age

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona

        All right, all right!

  • Chip

    I don’t think Jeter would easily accept a move to 1B (plus his offense would be considered horrendous for a first basemen) but what about 2B? I think he could be league-average there for years if he keeps himself in shape. If not, left field is calling! I just really hope we have somebody come up (Angelini maybe?) and really blow everybody away so there isn’t too much of a media storm over it. Jeter wants 4000 hits and he wants to do it as a Yankee. It’ll get done

    • steve (different one)

      Jeter is not going to get to 4000 hits.

      well, i suppose it’s not impossible, but i’d call it HIGHLY unlikely.

      Jeter is 35 this year. he is going to, like every other player in the history of professional sports, start to lose playing time with nagging injuries as he approaches 40 years old.

      under the BEST case scenario, assuming he never gets injured and never declines offensively, it will take him another eight seasons to get to 4000 hits. which would make him 43 years old.

      a more realistic scenario would be that it would take him 9-10 years.

      do we really think Jeter is still going to be an everyday player at 44?

      • Chip

        I think he COULD be an everyday player at 42 which would put him very close as long as he keeps up his production and doesn’t get hurt. It just depends on where his priorities are and what position is open for the Yankees. If the Yankees have an all-star at every position, then Jeter makes zero sense and he’ll either have to retire or play for someone else.

        I think the biggest question is how he will decline. This season was a subpar season by Jeter’s standards but will this be like his 2002 subpar season which he bounced back from or is this the first sign of him losing a step? He has a career .359 BABIP that fell this year to .333 so is that a sign of him slowing or just being a tad bit unluckier? Also, the guys around Jeter didn’t have quite the great seasons he’s used to seeing. If Texiera is hitting behind Jeter for the next 8 years rather than Bobby Abreu is he going to get better pitches?

        That’s a lot of questions we can’t possibly know the answers to. One thing he does have going for him is that he’s never depended on power or speed for his offense which are the first things to decline

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        Pete Rose says hello.

        • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/2000/01/18/jeter_ap/index.html steve (different one)

          do you really see Jeter hanging on and putting up the type of numbers Rose was putting up after age 40 just to get to an arbitrary round number of hits?

          Rose:
          41 – .271/.345/.338
          42 – .245/.316/.286
          43 – .286/.359 /.337
          44 – .264/.395/.319
          45 – .219/.316/.270

          i just think Jeter would rather walk away than turn in that type of performance.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            I’m not saying I think he’ll do it, but I am saying that I could see Jeter walking up on his 40th birthday on June 26, 2014 as a fairly decent leftfielder with 5 or 6 rings on a Yankee team that’s still perennially in contention and 3500 hits under his belt (more or less) and say,

            “You know what? Fuck it, I’m still having fun and my body hasn’t broken down on me that much yet, and my wife Selita Ebanks has two nannies to help her take care of little Joseph… Yeah, let’s see how long we can ride this thing out.”

  • Axl

    There is nothing to worry about with Jeter. The way he presents himself…always saying and doing the right thing. He respects the game and the organization way too much to argue over nickels and dimes. He seems to be greatful for all he has as everybody in the game should be. He’s made a significant amount of money for his “prime” years and I don’t think he’ll be asking too too much…while his name and marketing that goes along with him will still net him a significant amount. I’d say around $16 per year for as long as he and they think he could be useful.

    • Chip

      Wow, that’s quite a low salary for somebody his age, I’d be willing to give him at least fifty bucks.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        C. Montgomery Burns: I’m going to write a figure on this piece of paper. It’s not quite as large as the last one, but I think you’ll find it fair.

        [draws a giant zero]

        Lionel Hutz, Esq.: I think we should take it.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      I agree. I think the eventual contract resigning and the eventual move to the outfield will both be handled quietly, with no public acrimony and with the typical Jeterian muted mediaspeak. I always wanted to be a Yankee for life just like Joe D, I’ll do whatever is best for the team and I only care about winning, blah blah blah.

      JMO.

  • Josh

    People responded to my comment about having trouble rooting for the yankees if Jeter were let go y saying that means im a jeter fan and not a yankees fan. That is not the case. Over the years there have been many instances when i have had problems with how the yankees have treated players i have loved or brought in guys that are awful people in general. I’ve accepted that because I recognize that the Yankees are about winning first and foremost. However, If they treat Jeter poorly and force him out, that would probably be the last straw.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      But the question is, what if bringing Jeter back hampers the clubs ability to win, because he’s no longer good? Is that a good enough reason for “treating him poorly and forcing him out”?

      Is there any scenario where the team is justified in forcing him out? I think there is.

      Personally, while I love Jeter, I can only think of one scenario where something would be “the last straw” forcing me to no longer be a Yankees fan, and that’s the team moving away. Anything short of that, and my allegiance likely remains with the team.

      To paraphrase Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, players come and go, that’s what they’re there for, but the Yankees lives forever, so, Jeter lives forever.

  • Chris

    This issue actually does actually hold relevance today, since a logical move for Jeter may be 1B. If the Yankees do wind up signing Teixeira this off-season, it will most likely be a 4-6 year contract. So, when Jeter’s contract is up, there won’t be a spot at 1B. If they do move him off SS (which they should be planning already), they would have to move him to LF or CF.

    Another consideration is A-Rod. His defense at 3B certainly hasn’t been excellent either, and he’s another candidate to move to 1B at some point in the future. This scenario also must be in the mind of Cashman as they plan what to do about 1B for next season and beyond.

    • Bruno

      LF is easily the best place for Jeter. 1B would waste whatever arm he has, he’d be moving to the other side of the diamond also. His strength defensively has always been his play on pop-ups, and LF is right behind SS ;)

      As far as 1B beyond ’09: Jorge 1B/DH, Miranda?, Montero? Tex?!? A-Rod will probably stay at 3B or end his career at DH.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      This issue actually does actually hold relevance today, since a logical move for Jeter may be 1B.

      WRONG. Jeter to first would be a highly illogical move. He’s still a great athlete. He could play the outfield until he’s 40.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_spectrum

      People, you don’t leap all the way from one end of the spectrum to the other without first trying at intermediate points. You know who’s been pimping this “Jeter to First” nonsense? George King, Joel Sherman, and the rest of the Posties.

      If they like the idea, shouldn’t it give you pause?

      Jeter to the outfield.

      • Chris

        I would tend to agree that LF is the best place for him, although I’m curious to see how that transition will be handled by the front office and whoever is managing the Yankees at that point.

        I don’t necessarily think his future position is the major issue here though; it’s the actual move off SS that is the potential for the biggest blowout between Jeter and Yankee management.

  • Bruno

    “What would happen if the Yankees didn’t bring back Derek Jeter?”

    BLASPHEMY!

  • jsbrendog

    the $ they’ll make off jeter paraphernalia will be immense because all the young girls who grew up obsessing obver him will become lonely housewives and want him even more and keep buying those obnoxious pink jeter tshirts

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      jsbrendog = “a lonely housewife”

  • RossDFarian

    Once you become Captain of the Yankees, you are a Yankee for life. He will not be going anywhere, even if the Yankees have to give him $20mil per for 2011-2013.

  • Dave Heinz

    I think Jete will be OK with a pay cut in ’10, and finish out his career in pinstripes. God knows he’s set for life with endorsement deals. Sitting through commercials on the Yes Network is like watching his audition reel.

    • Dave

      Jeter should not be resigned as a shortstop. There are 10-15 shortstops that are already better than Jeter (and that’s being nice). His defense (from any metric or visual standpoint) is horrendous. His offense is declining and that was the only thing that made him good. Yes, he’s got the swagger and confidence that everyone loves, but he’s just not that good anymore. So, as Yankee fans do you want a good team with good players or do you want over-paid, under-performers filling the roster? Right now Jeter’s contract is terrible…anything similar in a few years will be a pure donation. It will be hard to see Jeter in another uniform, but if he doesn’t switch to the OF or 2B then it has to happen.

      Also, this idea thant he can play 1B has me confused. Do you guys think he will suddenly develop power? A light hitter at 1B is not the greatest idea.

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  • dan l

    Jeter 5 million one year extention as a utility player or see ya while offering arbitration for the picks of course.