Afternoon updates: Winding down the meetings

A big RAB thank you
Cashman may issue an ultimatum to Andy Pettitte

As I study for my contracts final and Joe and Mike get ready to come back to rainy New York, the winter meetings are officially winding down. While it’s unlikely that any major deals will get done before the GMs make it back home tonight, we’ve got rumors galore to share.

  • Forget Nick Punto. MLB Trade Rumors notes that the Twins have resigned Punto to a two-year, $8.5-million deal with an option for 2011. Punto has a career OPS+ of 74 and is going to make $4 million a year. I’m in the wrong line of work.
  • Tyler Kepner sums up the Cameron stituation. The Yanks and Brewers are haggling over money and extra players. Kepner notes that perhaps Kei Igawa could be shipped off to Milwaukee. He’d be the perfect replacement for CC Sabathia. Not.
  • Dan Graziano says the Cameron deal might not happen because the Yankees hurt the Brewers’ feelings. By asking for money a day after giving CC Sabathia the largest pitching contract ever, the Yanks have supposedly insulted the Brewers. Somewhere, the world’s smallest violin player is playing for Doug Melvin.
A big RAB thank you
Cashman may issue an ultimatum to Andy Pettitte
  • A.D.

    By asking for money a day after giving CC Sabathia the largest pitching contract ever, the Yanks have supposedly insulted the Brewers.

    This can’t be real… if you’re the Brewers just fire back with its MELKY CABERERA

  • christopher

    what a joke… i really love shoving it right up the asses of the welfare teams

  • UWS

    Of course Kei Igawa could replace CC! They do both throw baseballs lefthanded. That’s the most important criterion, isn’t it?

    • Chris

      Except CC throws strikes too.

      • UWS

        Igawa throws strikes. It’s just that his strikes end up traveling a lot farther.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          And, ironically, faster as well.

          • kimonizer

            there’s a riddle in there somewhere

  • steve (different one)

    if the Brewers don’t want to make the deal, don’t make it. but don’t do it out of spite. that’s how you wind up trading Curt Schilling for Casey Fossum.

    make the deal that makes sense for your team.

    • http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/ dan

      I’m glad someone remembers that ridiculousness

      • radnom

        How was spite involved?
        This is ringing some bells, but refresh my memory please.

        • UWS

          Dbacks GM (Garangiola?) hated Steinbrenner’s guts, and so refused to trade Schilling to the Yanks. I’m not sure what was the offered package, though.

          • Ed

            I don’t know what the Yankees offered, but supposedly Arizona would only trade us Schilling if we gave up Soriano & Nick Johnson.

            So either there was spite in there, or the DBacks just totally blew it.

  • Baseballnation

    Shame on Doug Melvin. Like my good ol’ boy Tom Hanks said…”There’s no crying in baseball.”

  • Tom Zig

    “By asking for money a day after giving CC Sabathia the largest pitching contract ever, the Yanks have supposedly insulted the Brewers.”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, AMAZING

  • christopher

    WOW Marlin’s president just bashed the yankees and cashman. spend like drunken sailors, irresponsible

    • steve (different one)

      he did the same thing last year after the Mariners extended Ichiro.

      if there is one guy i don’t want to hear it from, it’s him.

      • A.D.

        ZOMMMGGG PAYING PLAYERS OTHER THAN THEIR ARB NUMBER WHAT IS THIS CAPITALISM!!!!1!

        ….This just in Marlins are moving to Cuba, where free agents are not of concern.

        • jsbrendog

          this also just in. jerhanley ramirez and anibel sanchez have bought blow up rafts and appear to be landing in miami around the start of spring training

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Hmmm… If the Marlins move to Cuba and HanRam defects, does that make him a free agent that we can buy, like El Duque and Contreras?

            I’m VERY aroused…

            • jsbrendog

              open excel, that’ll finish you off

    • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

      isnt he the guy that thought ichiros contract was like the end of civilization as we know it??? i dont remember his quote but it seemed like he thought that contract was equivolent to a presidential assassination, 9/11, and the anthrax scandal all rolled into one giant catastrophe… dude needs to get a life

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Hey… Do you have a link? People keep mentioning this but I don’t see it anywhere.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Same.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      WOW Marlin’s president just bashed the yankees and cashman. spend like drunken sailors, irresponsible

      His payroll in 2008 was $21,836,500. http://blog.sportscolumn.com/story/2008/4/1/231932/3450/mlb/2008_MLB_Payrolls I couldn’t find his 2008 revenue sharing (welfare) payment, but based on what I found for 2006 and 2007, it probably exceeded payroll. So it’s a little hypocritical of him to bite the hand that feeds him.

    • leo

      Is it any surprise someone who is basically the right hand man of Jeffrey Loria would be an ass?

  • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

    the brewers being upset about the money thing is hilarious…. like all deals that happen at the meetings are somehow intertwined… its a completely separate transaction

    the yanks have more money, fame, fans, media coverage, season ticket holders, and national relevance than the brewers… their perceived “bulliness” is simply running their team in a way thats responsible and necessary based on the reasons i just mentioned… GET OVER IT MILWAUKEE

    • A.D.

      The thing is Milwaukee likely would never have gotten CC, even if the Yanks weren’t interested, likely SF, Dodgers, or Anaheim could have equaled what Milwaukee was paying.

      Furthermore I don’t get why Milwaukee is all whiny, he was a hired gun, picked up mid-season… Cleveland could at least have a case at whining since they developed him

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        All this is nothing but PR spin by Melvin. Railing against the Yankees ruining everything and keeping your team down is like Castro or Ahmedinejad saying USA is the Great Satan… it helps keep you in power.

        In order to be a hero, you need a good villain.

  • thisisthedavid

    What about cash flying to see andy?

    • A.D.

      hopefully that deal gets done.

    • Evan

      if not stop by sheets before coming home

      • Tom Zig

        Screw that, stop off in Maryland and bring Burnett back with him

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Boo that.

          Andy Pettitte OR Ben Sheets OR virtually every other option >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A.J. Burnett on a 5 year deal

          • jsbrendog

            seconded

            • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

              thirded… unless “virtually every other option” includes oliver perez

              • A.D.

                fourthed

    • jsbrendog

      what is this?

  • Tom Zig

    Please take Kei Igawa away from us.

  • Yankee1010

    Has anyone else seen these Kruk and Ravech chats – http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=24106? They’re comically atrocious.

    • A.D.

      Given the FJM has been discontinued someone should come up with a fire the Krukster

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I wonder what ESPN intern is typing on John Kruk’s behalf.

    • emac2

      Kruk probably knows less about baseball than anyone who has ever played. His commentary on baseball tonight last night was embarrasing.

      • Mike Pop

        Thats what he is there for

  • j Nitai

    Cameron has .242 BA and a .330 OBP the past 2 years ; avg 151 SO in 135 games over past 2 years. His defense is slipping and is not championship caliber. Gardner will exceed these stats but not 20 HR. Melky and a Gardner platoon will at a minimum do as well. Spend an extra 10M/year and get manny. Cameron needs the friendship of CC more than CC needs Cameron. I suppose you could ask CC if he would rather have an extra 10-15 Put outs for his 32 starts and a serious playoff run or a guy he knows 3 mos from Milwaukee.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Cameron has .242 BA and a .330 OBP the past 2 years ; avg 151 SO in 135 games over past 2 years.

      He also had 121 walks and 112 extra base hits over the past two years.

      His defense is slipping and is not championship caliber.

      He was the third best defensive centerfielder in all of baseball last year. Only Carlos Gomez and Grady Sizemore were better.

      Gardner will exceed these stats but not 20 HR. Melky and a Gardner platoon will at a minimum do as well.

      No, not remotely, it won’t. Not even close. Melky and Gardner would both have to do massive amounts of PED’s in order to approximate Cameron’s bat. This statement is batshit crazy.

      Cameron needs the friendship of CC more than CC needs Cameron. I suppose you could ask CC if he would rather have an extra 10-15 Put outs for his 32 starts and a serious playoff run or a guy he knows 3 mos from Milwaukee.

      What CC would really like is a guy who can both play good defense in CF and not be a massive black hole in the lineup. Between Cameron, Gardner, and Melky, the only person with a modicum of a chance to do that is Mike Cameron.

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        Just out of curiosity, is there a difference between batshit insane and batshit crazy? Is one worse than the other? I wouldn’t want to commit a faux pas by using one in the wrong context.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Tomato, tomahto.

    • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

      your commenting on these guys friendships is ridiculous… just saying something like “cameron needs cc more than cc needs cameron” is hilarious considering 1. you have no inside knowledge of this and 2. it isnt relevant

    • emac2

      I bet Gardiner doesn’t come close to Cameron on strikeouts

  • frits

    if CC sabathia needs a friend to keep him company, he should print out his 170 MILLION DOLLARS and talk to it instead of cameron.

    i’m actually in favor of bringing cameron, but not for the reason that “cc needs a friend”

    • jsbrendog

      he actually goes to white castle and gets cragve cases and once he is done eating all the sliders inside he fills the cases with his money and then re-enacts the scene from pulp fiction where they open marsellas’s briefcase. but when he opens the crave case full of $100 bills he giggles.

      his kids have tired of thsi game quickly.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      if CC sabathia needs a friend to keep him company, he should print out his 170 MILLION DOLLARS and talk to it instead of cameron.

      Wait, where did CC get the extra $9M from? The deal was $161M. Are you trying to make it seem like we spent even more money than we did?

      Doug Melvin, is that you?

      • emac2

        Not everyone understands the rounding concept.

        • andrew

          most people round to the nearest ten’s place though, not the further…

  • Evan

    Random but any thought on signing Nomar as utility guy?

    • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

      no

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Will he play for free?

        • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

          if he 1. plays for free 2. divorces mia hamm 3. somehow doesnt take up a 40man spot 4. gets a nosejob i MIGHT consider giving him wilson betemits spot… but thats still only if cody ransom shoots himself in the leg at a nightclub

          • jsbrendog

            5. stops hsi stupid little dance in between pitches. there’s a reason games take 4 fucking hours.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Let’s sign him and then trade him to the Red Sox for Alex Cora and Sean Casey.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Speaking of which, Mo Vaughn is available… and we DO have an opening at first… eh? eh?

                • jsbrendog

                  shut uip steve philips

    • Joey H

      Clemens for a 5th starter?

  • A.D.

    Looks like the talks with the Rays might not have gone well:

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/11/giambi-still-hopeful-of-returning-to-yanks/

    • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

      i think the giambi train has left the station… i wish him all the best though, ill still pull for the guy when hes not playin the yanks

      i think his time here is up

  • Rich M

    Ben,

    With the 40 man roster filled, who do you see being released to fit all the new signings? Barring any trades of course.

    • radnom

      Britton.

      Shelley’s days are numbered as well.

      • Matthew

        Noooo, not Shelly Duncan, come on, is this a shock, and is anyone going to miss him? No…

        • radnom

          Maybe a little.
          Remember when that little kid Red Sox fan asked him for an autograph and he wrote “Red Sox Suck”?

          hahah good times

  • Ken

    Most of the media is criticizing the Yankees for offering Burnett 5 yrs. Is Brian Cashman making this call or is it Hank? Over the last few years Cashman has done a horrible job with free agent pitchers. Is this going to be another case?

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      Over the last few years Cashman has done a horrible job with free agent pitchers.

      What good free agent pitcher did Cash whiff on recently? Granted, pavano and Wright didn’t work out, but A) everyone was bidding on Pavano, and B) he took a flier on Wright, didn’t sign him to be a #1 or #2.

    • whozat

      22 mil for one great and one crappy year of Moose? That’s not horrible.

      32 mil for 420 innings of 4.25 ERA ball from Andy? Not horrible. And in neither case is he still on the hook. Who else has he signed in free agency the last three years?

    • leo

      Why would you think Hank is calling the shots? Hal controls the purse and officially runs the organization so if they’re offering him 5 years/85 million then it’s got to get his approval.

  • christopher

    looks like i am getting exactly what i didnt want: burnett and petitte

  • christopher

    just read that the red sox may deal lugo for byrnes..thats a good deal for them – he is a gritty player

    • A.D.

      doubt that happen now, D’Back signed Lopez to play 2B… which is what they were going to acquire Lopez for… unless they just want to dump Byrnes, who is owed more money than Lopez

    • whozat

      He also costs a lot of money and doesn’t play baseball that well — and tends to be injured.

      It’s a bad-contract-swap to get them a deal that also sucks, but ends earlier than Lugo’s.

    • Andy In Sunny Daytona

      Chicago and Boston are going to have to change nicknames soon. The White Sox signing every Communist under the sun, and Boston, well you know…..lessening the cumulative hue.

  • christopher

    i know everyone will disagree with me but i actually really like michael kay. he just went on a rant against the marlins president and defended the yankees. he may be obnoxious at time, but the guy has always defended yankee spending – would rather listen to him than someone on the side of the nation

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi
      • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

        one of the all time classic meltdowns… nazis, slavery, and atheists… all in 3 minutes time

    • Paulie

      I respect Michael Kay’s honesty. I also believe he has become a more friendly person lately.

  • Matthew

    Fuck, send Melky and Igawa to the Brew Crew and pay the full 10M and have Cam patrol CF in the new Yankee Stadium, end of conversation.

    Maybe send a fruit basket to the Brewers Org because we made them cry.

    Just read over at MLBTR that Giambi would be willing to come back to the Yanks at a discount…. Is this true? I’d do it, depending on what the discount is.

    • jsbrendog

      free. and he siots the bench til someone gets injured

  • JeffG

    Looks like Cash is flying down to see Pettitte as well. Hopefully they can come together.

    • christopher

      cash is probably gonna tell him – take this offer today or have a good life

  • UNION YES.

    I just read that Reegie Corona was picked up from the rule 5.

    • Paulie

      I live in Staten Island and I remember seeing Reegie Corona play for the Staten Island Yankees, I always liked him.

  • UNION YES.

    and Zack Kroenke, Jason Jones, Ivan Nova, Andres Santos, Josue Salinas (via BA).

  • christopher

    beginning to look like the 2009 plan for the rotation is taking shape. Looks as though (ideally) cashman wants burnett and petitte. personally i disagree and would much rather see them sign the other two guys – sheets and lowe, but burnett is still a big improvement over rasner and ponson

    cant help but be excited

    next up has gotta be manny, but i would love to see them at least stick their noses into the texiera thing to at the very least up the price a bit for theo

  • christopher

    how the hel do the yankees lose 6 guys and boston loses nobody? i thought boston had the superior minor league system. is it that the yanks just have a gluttony of AAAA players?

    • Manimal

      Exactly. Our system spits out AAAA players while Redsox produce MVP’s

      • UNION YES.

        That shit bums me out and the situation isn’t getting any better.

  • UNION YES.

    From Rotoworld:

    “The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel believes the hurdle has been cleared in the proposed Mike Cameron-for-Melky Cabrera deal.

    Brewers general manager Doug Melvin just said there was “a strong possibility it could still happen.” The financial issues have apparently been taken care of. The matter at hand now is the second player coming over from the Yankees. Perhaps it will be one of the relievers passed over in the Rule 5 draft, like Kevin Whelan or J. Brent Cox.”

    • Mike Pop

      Id give em Whelan

  • Manimal

    Sheets>Pettite. We all agree on that right?

    • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

      but pettitte requires 1 year… while sheets requires 2 at least, possibly 3

      • Manimal

        Yeah but Hes sheets. I’d take that risk because in 3 years we will have a better handle on what kind of Minor league pitching we have.

        • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

          im just saying, there are reasons to like andy over sheets… namely, durability and contract length… and probably annual salary too

    • radnom

      Wrong comparison in my opinion.

      Sheets > Burnett

      and

      Pettite > Lowe

      Comparing the two high risk/high reward options and the two “sure things”, I would very much like to have one of each, and I would very much prefer Sheets and Pettite over Burnett and Lowe.

      • Mike Pop

        I think Sheets and Burnett will put up the same type of numbers. If you consider Sheets has been in the nl and had his low 3 era’s and burnett has had high 3 era’s in the al.. I really think when healthy they would put up same type of numbers..

        • radnom

          I think Sheets probably puts up better numbers but fine, lets assume its equal.

          This would still give Sheets an ENORMOUS advantage because he will be signed for a much more reasonable contract.

          • Mike Pop

            But what about him having “red flags” ? If he is going to be hurt throughout the whole 2 or 3 years thats just wasted money.. But again they both come with injury risks

          • kimonizer

            The question that we don’t know the answer to is the damage in Sheets’s elbow. There may be something there that scares the Yankees. Then you are looking at serious definite problems with Sheets and the possibility that he will pitch barely at all during three years of the contract (a la Pavano) against Burnett’s history and the possibility that he has turned a corner and will be very valuable for at least 3-4 of those 5 years in the contract. I just don’t like that the Yanks were scared off by his medicals.

  • Joseph M

    Christmas wishes:

    Why the Yanks want Cameron is beyond me, he’s 36 years at the beginning of the year! Teams with this much age don’t win, the Yanks can go with Gardner and Melky in center.

    The one exception to the age rule is the offensive player who could turn the Yankee line up around, Manny. Go get him

    Stay away from AJ he’s another Pavano.

    Why the Yanks would consider paying $66 million for Lowe is a total mystrey. I’d rather have Andy.

    Sheets on a two year deal is worth the risk (about 28 million).

  • christopher

    how are the royals giving farnsworth 4.5 million a year for 2 years. you have to laugh at that when there are so many better options out there in a market flooded with relief pitchers