Aren’t you glad we already have a shortstop?

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With the free agent compensation picture in focus, the Hot Stove Season seems to have sparked. We’ve seen news surrounding mid- and low-tier free agents, particularly those who qualified as a Type A or a Type B free agent, but whose team declined to offer arbitration. One of those is Edgar Renteria, who appears headed to San Fran to man short for the Giants. The Tigers did not offer arbitration to the 33-year-old, who posted a wOBA of just .308 last season after two solid years in Atlanta.

Look at the guy’s baseball reference page. Is he someone you want holding down shortstop for your team? He looks pretty average to me. He’s basically had two standout years, a couple of solid years, and then mediocrity. Yet he was the first shortstop to find a home this off-season.

Then, not long before I wrote this, the Cardinals acquired Khalil Greene from the Padres. Ugh. Dude’s OBP’d over .300 twice in his career, which spans more or less five full seasons. To me, he looks like a former first-round pick who got a lot of hype coming off a damn fine debut in 2004 (.273/.349/.446). He’s been nothing but a disaster since. He did hit 27 homers in 2007, but given the rest of his career that appears an anomaly.

Both of these developments make me damn glad we have Derek Jeter locked in at shortstop. Yeah, sometimes we complain about his defense, but that’s mostly because we’re running out of things to talk about. You’d like to see some better range from short, but Derek makes up for it, and then some, with his offense. Plus, according to Dave Pinto’s PMR, Jeter fielded better than both Greene and Renteria — and Jose Reyes — in 2008.

The rest of the list doesn’t look much better than the above two. Raffy Furcal is clearly the best out there, though he comes along with the injury prone tag. Felipe Lopez isn’t terrible, but he’s another guy who’s living off the reputation of a couple solid years — though he did smoke the ball during his 169 trips to the plate in St. Louis. Orlando Cabrera? I’d say he’s overrated, but I don’t think many people hold him in that high a regard. He’s 34, never been very good, and is a Type A free agent with an arb offer. Cesar Izturis…nah, too easy.

The point is that despite the nitpicks we have with Jeter, we’re still damn glad to have him at shortstop. Can you imagine the Yankees starting the season with Felipe Lopez or Edgar Renteria — or worse, Khalil Greene — starting at short? It’s when we look at situations like this that we can appreciate The Captain even more.

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  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    I would expect a little bounceback from Khalil. He’ll never be a high OBP guy, but he’ll smack some balls over the fence and into the gaps. He just looked deflated in Petco. I can’t imagine what it must feel like to hit a ball 390 feet into the gap and watch it turn into an out, night after night.

    • radnom

      Plus he has a cool name.

    • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      Agreed. Plus, you could do a lot worse than Khalil Greene:

      http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hernalu01.shtml

      • blee

        of course we know this.. Derek Jeter is the Yankees, the face, the mascot of our franchise..

        We cant complain about Jeter… Who would we replace Jeter with in the entire league? Pure ability-wise? Hanley Ramirez.. Reyes maybe?.. clutchwise and my pure mancrush wise? No one can replace Jeter..

    • DanElmaleh

      Ask any RH hitter on the Yankkes.

  • Dave

    Yea we have him at short but for how long? I feel like it will be a couple of short years before the yankees are begging him to change positions – i have no idea where he would play but he will probably have to change right around the time his current contract expires. Everyone in I love cashman universe has made it clear that bobby abreu is getting old, is on the decline and can no longer field his position. NEWS FLASH – Jeter is the same age and im pretty sure he isn’t getting younger. But we have him at short for a couple of more years.

    The other thing I would like to point out is that right now we NEED above average offense coming out of our shortstop position. Why? Because if we leave our offense as is next year, we will have very little production coming out of centerfield and we may have very little coming out of first base depending on how swisher rebounds. Those are two of the biggest offensive positions for a lot of teams. Right field could be below league average as well – another position known for its offensive production.

    • radnom

      Good thing the other half of the middle infield is strong, the third basemen is one of the top 5 hitters of all time still in his prime, and we have one of the top 2 offensive catchers in the AL.
      Oh yeah and like you said, Jeter an asset at SS.

      I think we can be ok with some weakness in CF if we can nab our desired pitching targets.

    • A.D.

      Well Abreu was the worst RF in the game defensively this year, Jeter was league average defensively, and improved his defense from a year ago. So there’s a big difference between Jeter & Abreu right now.

      On top of that there are a fair amount of corner infielders available, while as this post points out, not a lot of SS.

    • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

      CF is not one of the biggest offensive positions… in truth, it might be the least offensive position for most teams, aside from maybe catcher

  • pat

    Yea but orange you glad I didn’t say banana?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

      +1

  • radnom

    WOw.

    THIS JUST IN: YANKEE FAN LIKES DEREK JETER.
    ALERT THE PRESSES.

    ;p

    Damn I wish we actually had something to speculate on.

  • E-ROC

    Jeter a better fielder than somebody?? Blasphemy!

  • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

    Wait I thought all the nerds did not like Jeter anymore?

    • Joop

      Gross misinterpretation on your part.

      • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

        You mean nerds always liked Jeter? Are you now speaking for the entire nerd population? Good to know I will check in next time I need to get a new hard drive to store my flat globe.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

          I see you like to mix your metaphors.

          Of course he’s not speaking for the entire nerd population, u incredible crawdad. Recognize the fact that he is speaking as one nerd (I assume), so you can’t say “ALL NERDS” don’t like Derek Jeter anymore.

          Try harder.

    • FL Yank

      I’d rather be a nerd than a tool.

      • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

        But alas you sir are both.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

          facepalm.gif

    • Mike P

      Wait I thought no one ever liked you. Still sticking around?

      • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

        Oh gosh you mean I can not sit at your lil lunch table. Let me guess what that P stands for.

        • Mike P

          If you can’t say anything smart, interesting, pertinent or pleasant, don’t say anything at all. And P wouldn’t happen to be the first letter of my surname? Sorry I don’t have as good a name as yours, though I doubt the Don would count you as a friend.

        • jsbrendog

          god, seriously, if you stop being an obnoxious prick and attcking people by name calling then we wouldn’t all hate you. I could give two shits if your opinionsa re outlandish and not base din reality because you rarely have facts to back them up. But we ,mght tolerate it mroe if you dispense with the incendiary name calling. for god sakes, either shut up or learn to not be a jackass.

          above is exactly an example of what ben and mike and tommismithjohncarlos are talking about, you come on here and start name caling and then get your panties all in a bunch when someone fights back. you sir, are a nincompoop and here’s to hoping to get booted.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

            I never get commenter love.

            • jsbrendog

              and joeseph p. sorry dude lol brain fart. AND THE P DOES NOT STAND FOR POOP IT STANDS FOR PATRON SAINT AND KING OF BASEBALL BLOGGING! but that was too long for the name so he abbreviated it

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

                Made my day, dude.

                • steve (different one)

                  you will eat the cat poop!!

          • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

            “Wait I thought all the nerds did not like Jeter anymore?”

            That is what I said in this thread. It was a joke. I know I am the only person not allowed to make jokes on here right?

            Talk about panties in a bunch.

            • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

              What egregious act have I now done to deserve a green nipple I ask you?

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

                Click it.

              • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

                Sorry green nipples scare me.

        • Nady Nation

          You make me dislike Don Mattingly.

          • jsbrendog

            priceless

          • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

            That’s pretty funny. You made me laugh.

          • blee

            you make me like Nady a bit more

  • Reggie C.

    I know its a tad bit premature but ….

    If the D’Backs can’t get Stephen Drew to sign an extension, and Drew continues progressing at an All-star clip, the D’Backs could look to move Drew to a team willing to pay the price of prospects + contract extension. 2011 would be Drew’s second arbitration year, so to trade him after the ’10 season could be peak value time.

    Who knows… it should be noted that Stephen Drew is rep’d by Scott Boras.

    • Reggie C.

      Getting Stephen Drew in pinstripes for the 2011 season and beyond is the IDEAL scenario imo. The man is headed for a nice pay day pretty soon, and Boras will probably try his darndest to get Drew traded. With the economy the way it is, the D’Backs are probably thinking of fielding a cheap, competitive team year to year. Should things not pick up for that org., and Drew refuse to sign a team-friendly extension, I think the D’Backs could seriously milk some talent from a ball club for Drew.

      The Yanks should keep tabs on this kid, especially if (and WHEN) Drew starts turning down extension offers.

      • dan l

        Stephen Drew, J J Hardy, and Troy Tulowitzki should all be on the Yankees radar after next season.

        • jsbrendog

          i go no on tulowitzki.

  • RustyJohn

    I was looking at MLB Trade Rumors on the Greene trade and came across this comment from Minky…sometimes I miss Mientkiewicz…

    “Mientkiewicz seeks a starting job, even while admitting, ‘I’m everybody’s B and C plan. If the two guys they want to sign get hit by a truck, then they think about me.’ “

    • pat

      damn you rusty john

  • pat
    • pat

      HAH jokes on me!! I’m an Idiot!!!

  • Bill

    I think moving Jeter to LF or RF in 2010 would be a good idea. If we can live with’s Damon’s offense out of a corner spot, we can live with Jeter’s. In fact, Jeter would replace Damon in the OF.

    The idea senerio would be Gardner proving himself to be a capable MLB CF in 2009. He could then be traded with some pitching next off-season for a capable SS. Austin Jackson would replace Gardner in CF in 2010.

    If Miranda also replaces Matsui at DH in 2010, then they’ll save 26 million by letting Damon and Matsui go, and another 5-7 million by letting Nady go next off-season. They can then replace Nady by going after a FA outfield. If Holliday puts up good numbers in Oak next year, we should sign him to play LF (especially if we can get him at a “discount”, similar to what Beltran offered us a few year’s ago.

    I know it’s really early, but this would be my 2010 lineup:
    -C Posada/Cervilla
    1B Swisher
    2B Cano
    3B A-Rod
    SS (THROUGH TRADE)
    LF Holliday
    CF Jackson
    RF Jeter
    DH Miranda/Posada

    It wil be interesting to see how Ramiro Pena does in AAA next year. He’s a defensive wiz, but hasn’t shown much with the bat. Although, he did hould his own at AA last year.

    • http://www.ilikemygirls.com Billy Beane

      no way should jeter’s bat take up a corner outfield spot. he certainly won’t be a middle of the lineup type bat, nor will he be the “table-setter” that damon is, especially at that time.

      • Steve

        Bingo. He’s an even worse fit at 1B, where you really like to see some power numbers. Plus 1B is trickier than most people think, ask Mike Piazza.

        The only way I do LF is if you’re replacing him w/a good hitting SS. Middle infielders obviously get more chances than LFers, so if you have a guy who puts up LFers #s at SS, then you go with the fielding upgrade at both positions.

        Jeter is going to be very tricky as he ages. The easiest thing is to leave him at SS, but at some point you just cant do that anymore, and I suspect that day is coming soon. It may already be here, depending on his showing this year. Damon and Matsui leave after this season, and Jeter’s contract comes up after 2010. Decision time is fast approaching.

        http://www.billjamesonline.net/fieldingbible/2008-plus-minus-leaders.asp

        • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

          “He’s an even worse fit at 1B”

          I disagree. Jeter would be a better fit at first. He is tall enough for the position and the ball off the bat won’t look too too much different.

          I am sure Jeter could do a fine job in the OF but it would take more time to get him up to speed. I think he could be a great defensive first baseman compared to the rest of the MLB these days. I prefer a guy with some more pop at the corners or is a total burner if possible. I think as long as whoever would replace him at SS could hit above average this situation would work better.

    • A.D.

      Not that many SS are available perhaps J.J. Hardy

  • Manimal

    “I’m everybody’s B and C plan. If the two guys they want to sign get hit by a truck, then they think about me.” -Menky.

    • Manimal

      a tad too late I guess…

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        If “a tad” = 6 hours.

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          If “a tad” = 64 hours.

          way to go, ass (me, not you).

  • Rob

    No. Signing Furcal would improve the team more than almost any other player short of Tex, Manny, and Sabathia. He brings an above average glove to the most important defensive position and with a bat that’s probably equal to Jeter’s right now. There’s a reason the Yankee team defense sucks it starts big time with the shortstop.

    Other defensive metrics say Jeter is well-below average at the position (-18 FRAA, 87 RATE). And those stats from 2008 are missing a half season of ground balls from Wang. Considering his bat, he’s slipping into a net negative if he isn’t already. I wonder if he might be the inverse of a Gardner or Melky – a glove so bad that he can’t possibly make up for it with the bat. Problem is, Jeter costs $20 million more.

    It’s a dream – but sign Furcal and move Jeter, kicking and screaming, to 1B. With the move to the less rigorous position, his bat may just rebound to average (~.800 OPS) for the position. Then let him settle in there over the next three years and get his 3000 hits.

    • monkeypants

      I have a feeling that we have sparred on another site. Anyway, I am pretty sure that Furcal is not now “probably equal to Jeter” offensively. Furcal had one freaky good start to a season (last year), which cut short by injury. Jeter had a poor season (last year) by his standards. Over their whole careers Jeter smokes Furcal offensively. The more likely scenario next year is that Furcal returns to his normal offensive production, and Jeter bounces back a tad (though less than his high career numbers). If so, Jeter will outhit Furcal, as he has is every other year except for 143 AB last season.

      • Rick in Boston

        You’re absolutely right about Furcal definitely not being “probably equal to Jeter”:

        Furcal – four seasons with an OPS over 100; before last year, his highest was 107. A lot of his perceived value is in SB and triples – both are speed based skills that tend to not age well.

        Cappy Jetes, though, has an OPS of 100+ EVERY FULL SEASON OF HIS CAREER. Last season was his lowest (102) since his rookie campaign (101).

        Furcal might be a better defender, but there are few, if any, SS’s out there who can produce as well as Jeter. And I think I’m on the bandwagon that Jeter will produce even better than Furcal in 2009. Back injuries are scary, scary things, while wrist injuries tend to heal over time.

        • Rob

          You guys are overestimating Jeter’s stick and vastly underestimating the detriment of Jeter’s glove. Quite honestly I don’t see Jeter rebounding. There are alot of miles on his body and it’s adding up in his fielding and speed. Those are the first to go. He’s now a well-below average fielder. Just the step up to an above average SS would help the team tremendously even if they weren’t getting a stick attached.

          As to his bat, last year Jeter was indeed at 102 OPS+. And his BABIP was a very good .333. So it wasn’t luck. Jeter’s a singles hitter now and he doesn’t have the speed anymore to make himself any more than that. That’s who his is at this point. Furcal is a 96 OPS+ hitter for his career and he still has speed. So there’s very little daylight between the two.

          The bottomline is Jeter’s defense is only getting worse at this point. He basically has to go back to being a 130 OPS+ to overcome that blackhole in the middle of the infield. I don’t see that happening again. Better to get in a very competent SS, with an average stick, while he’s out there. There’s no one better in the free agent crop of 2010 and we’ll definitely be revisiting this issue again if nothing is done.

          • steve (different one)

            Rob, we are mostly in agreement here, but i’d just like to offer that B-Pro’s defensive stats (FRAA) are pretty much worthless. any defensive metric that isn’t based on play by play data isn’t really worth looking at.

            Jeter actually improved quite a bit defensively in 2008, but that was also because he was beyond awful in 2007.

            Girardi made him change his positioning and it lead to actual results. if Jeter can repeat his 2008 defense, the Yankees can afford to stick with him at SS for another year.

            that said, he is getting older, and it is likely that he will give back this improvement soon.

            this is a problem, but it’s more of a 2010 problem than a 2009 problem.

            • Rob

              Sorry, but having watched the majority of the games, I didn’t see a Jeter that improved over 2007. If anything, his range was more limited even as the positioning helped him get to balls he otherwise wouldn’t have. Now he’s missing balls toward 3B that he used to get and jump throw. But he’s also still missing the balls up the middle or two steps to his left. Worse, he’s also lost the ability to go back on popups because of the decrement in speed and agility.

              Basically, Girardi is now positioning him up the middle maybe a step more. But since he can only, at most, go two steps to either side, he’s still very limited. Regardless of the exact metric we use, he’s obviously well-below average. Bringing in an above average defensive SS would be a huge boon to team defense. Furcal is it especially since his bat is good enough and he could be had at a decent price. Too bad it will never happen.

          • monkeypants

            “You guys are overestimating Jeter’s stick and vastly underestimating the detriment of Jeter’s glove. Quite honestly I don’t see Jeter rebounding.”

            I never said anything about Jeter’s glove, nor did I say which player would be better next season over all. I simply rejected your claim that Furcal was “probably better” than Jeter offensively now.

            “So there’s very little daylight between the two.”

            So you are backpedaling now? What you meant to say originally is not that Furcal is “probably better” than Jeter offensively, but rather that Furcal is “probably worse” offensively than Jeter, but not by as much as he has been in the past seasons.

            BTW, Furcal is a career 96 OPS+ hitter, going on 31 (or so he claims), so he too is probably in his decline phase. And if you take away his freaky 143 AB last season, he had come off of a dismal 76 OPS+ in 2007. There is a far better chance that Furcal, the lesser offensive player, will decline more precipitously with the stick in the next couple of years.

            • Rob

              I actually said:

              “[Furcal] brings an above average glove to the most important defensive position and with a bat that’s probably equal to Jeter’s right now.”

              I stand by that assessment.

              Furcal’s 2007 may or may not be flukey. We just can’t know. But it stands out as an outlier relative to the rest of his career. The key is that he’s always been an above average glove where Jeter never has been. Even if Furcal dips as low as 80 OPS+ in a three or four year contract, I’m still convinced that’s a net positive for the team with how far Jeter has fallen. His OBP means he can still be very valuable even if he’s also in that decline phase with that very good glove.

              By contrast, Jeter’s downward spiral is now unmistakable. The only chance, I fear, to save his bat is to mostly kill his glove at 1B.

              • monkeypants

                I stand corrected–you said “equal” not “better”. I still think that the assessment is wrong. BUt there is no way to prove it until we look at a few more seasons of data. You put too much stock, I think, in last season’s numbers for both players. I guess we’ll see.

                • Rob

                  Easier question without more data needed: Is Jeter’s bat different enough to make up for the huge difference in gloves?

                  Look at it this way – total bases:

                  Jeter
                  2006: 301 tb – 132 OPS+
                  2007: 289 tb – 121 OPS+
                  2008: 243 tb – 102 OPS+

                  Furcal:
                  2005: 264 tb – 102 OPS+
                  2006: 291 tb – 107 OPS+
                  2007: 206 tb – 76 OPS+

                  Unless you think Jeter is going to rebound to 2006 numbers, then we’re talking, at worst for Furcal (2007), maybe a 80 base difference for their bats. That’s one extra hit every other game. Would Furcal’s vastly superior glove save that? I think so.

                  Now that’s assuming Furcal’s bat at it’s absolute worst. If he’s closer to his career averages – like 2005 or 2006 – and Jeter finds 120 OPS+ again, we’re talking maybe at-best a difference of 40 bases. That’s maybe one hit every four games. Somehow, I think Furcal’s glove will save many more hits than that. So he becomes a big net positive relative to Jeter.

              • Rick in Boston

                Furcal falling to an approximately 80 OPS+ is disasterous. You’re talking about someone similar to Melky Cabrera playing SS. Jeter’s bat is outstanding for a middle infielder, but would be detrimental to a team at any corner. Furcal is a life-time below average hitter – putting him into a Yankees lineup as currently built would actually make this team worse, since you would be moving a very good hitter to a position where his bat isn’t as dangerous, and replacing him with a sub-par hitter.

                I take it you like Ozzie Smith more than Alan Trammell, right?

                • Rob

                  See above. The difference between the gloves is so great, I’m not sure an 80 OPS+ would be a negative over Jeter. We’re talking maybe one hit every other game. Somehow I think an above average defensive shortstop would save that many, if not more.

                  And that’s if Furcal is as bad as his worst season. I don’t think he will be.

                  Jeter at 1B could easily be as good as Swisher. It’s not like he’s replacing Teixeira or anything.

          • A.D.

            http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding?groupId=9&season=2008&seasonType=2&split=82&sortColumn=zoneRating

            Derek Jeter, top 3rd in SS ZR this year… making the plays that he should, bad in RF so he’s not making extra plays.

            • Rob

              Same as it ever was, except that range is getting so much worse.

  • steve (different one)

    not for nothing, but PMR seems like crap to me.

    it doesn’t seem to tie to any of the other advanced defensive metrics and produces some unrealistic results (see David DeJesus’ 2008 splits in LF and CF).

    there is little grounds to believe that Jeter fielded better than Jose Reyes last year.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      Okay, steve, let me get this straight. You just expressed your displeasure for a statistic without resorting to name-calling and bragging that you know more than everyone else?

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        bullshit, you asshole.

        (tangentially… “bullshit” is, like, the word of the month around here, no? i feel like lately when things have gotten heated someone’s frustration will inevitably just boil over in an FJM-style post in which the KT-responses are just “BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT!! BULLSHIT!!!” it’s very entertaining.)

        • steve (different one)

          yeah, i was on “BS” overload the other day. sorry about that.

          • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            just kidding around, the arguments have been funny (in retrospect) lately. it’s definitely not just you that got frustrated/angry, i really didn’t intend to single you out with that comment (although, yeah, i guess your FJM-style bullshit-barrage was pretty hysterical).

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

              “”i feel like lately when things have gotten heated someone’s frustration will inevitably just boil over in an FJM-style post in which the KT-responses are just “BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT!! BULLSHIT!!!”

              That statement was such bullshit, Mondesi. You take that back now, you pie-chart pixie.

      • steve (different one)

        i didn’t mean that as a shot at your piece. your piece was well-written and convincing. PMR is an accepted metric and it is ok that you cited it.

        i was just saying that it seems to produce some really wacky results.

        and i admit that i am not really smart enough to know WHY it produces those wacky results.

        also, i am trying to be nicer. i was apparently lessening the RAB experience for people, and that was not my intention.

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          i think joe meant his joke to come off more sarcastic than you took it. you made a perfectly reasonable argument against the value of a particular fielding metric without calling the person who used it something very witty, like a “nerd,” and without telling everyone that you’re right because they’re stupid and you’re smart. it was very sweet.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

            You got it, Mondesi. Not a knock on you at all, steve. Actually, the converse.

      • Nady Nation

        Nerd. Tool. Oh, and I know what the P. in your name stands for.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

          Yep. It’s Poop. You got me.

          • Nady Nation

            Poopy head! Go formulate your spreadsheets all day instead of actually watching the game with your eyes!

  • Stryker

    n ’06 and ’07 Greene had an road OPS of about .850+. That combined with being a plus defender is an exceptional upgrade. Of course, this is assuming that last year was a fluke (which i do believe it was, his BABIP plunged to a flukey .255 while his line drive % was by far the highest of his career (an exceptional 21%). I think he’s massively undervalued.

    Khalil Greene’s numbers neutralized to St. Louis’s Busch Stadium circa 2008 are:

    2006 line would’ve been: .247/.321/.429
    2007: .259/.297/.478
    2008: .225/.274/.359

    I’d expect a rebound and something along the lines of .250/.315/.445 in Busch.

    Even if that line is right, they’d be replacing the black hole that Izturis was of .263/.319/.309 with relatively the same AVG/OBP and a 136 point increase in SLG%. That is a definite upgrade in that lineup.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      “Of course, this is assuming that last year was a fluke (which i do believe it was, his BABIP plunged to a flukey .255 while his line drive % was by far the highest of his career (an exceptional 21%).”

      That kinda sounds like Swisher. Hopefully we can learn a bit from these two players in 09.

  • steve (different one)

    True or False:

    if you had a group of 100 people who had never watched a major league baseball game before, and you asked them to match up players’ names with their photos, Khalil Greene would get the fewest matches.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      As Mike has said before, I think people would confuse Reggie Willits and Howie Kendrick.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        Personally, I loved when Frank White and Bud Black played together for the Royals.

  • steve (different one)

    is the site acting funny for anyone else?

    when i click on certain threads or add a comment, i get the header of the page, and all white space underneath.

    sometimes i get the ads on the side and then all white space.

    i can’t get into the comments on the Pettitte thread…

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Has been happening to me the last couple of days too, intermittently.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

        Can the two of you email me screenshots the next time you get the error? I’ve been tweaking the site over the past month, so things can get fritzy at times. I don’t think I’ve done anything significant over the past few days, though (other than that snazzy tag cloud over there — notice the Horrendously Retarded tag present).

        • steve (different one)

          i can do that from home tonight if Modesi can’t do it sooner. i’m blocked from my personal email account at work.

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Yeah I’ll email a screenshot next time it happens.

  • dan l

    Enjoy Jeter for the next 2 years as there is no way the Yankees are paying big money to keep him.

    • Rob

      But I can see him getting a one-year deal to get 3000 hits as a Yankee. Still, will they have the knowledge to force a move off shortstop? I don’t think so. This is the same GM that penciled in Bernie as the starting CF in 2005.

      • Rick in Boston

        I think having a former teammate at the helm of the ballclub might make it easier for him to take. After all, Jeter did watch Girardi acknowledge his own deficiences and helped Posada get acclimated to the big leagues.

      • steve (different one)

        This is the same GM that penciled in Bernie as the starting CF in 2005.

        it is also the same GM who recognized that Bernie was a liability in CF and signed Kenny Lofton to play CF in 2004.

        the problem was that Torre was having none of that.

        don’t get me wrong, not signing Beltran was one of the biggest mistakes of the last decade, but there were other complicating factors there, #1 being George’s Unit-lust. but that is another conversation.

        the point is, Cashman announced before 2004 that Lofton was the CFer and Bernie was to be the DH.

        Torre basically ignored him. there were games where he put Lofton in RF and Bernie in CF.

        i just don’t think it’s a fair assessment to say that Cashman didn’t recognize Bernie’s defensive shortcomings.

        • Rob

          I’m not sure the GM was all-aboard the Lofton train either. It seems the Boss wanted speed after Pierre lit them up in the 2003 series. Since we know the GM doesn’t get rid of players he acquires (P-A-V-A-N-O), but quickly dispenses with ones he didn’t (Unit, Sheff), the trade of Lofton for the Run Fairy after 2004 suggests the GM didn’t get Lofton for any such purpose. Then the solution after Lofton got traded was to do nothing.

          Still, I agree on your critique of Torre. Lofton in 2004 could have been the difference in that post-season and he certainly would have helped over Bubba Crosby in 2005.

          • steve (different one)

            perhaps. that’s an interesting angle.

            i always assumed that he traded Lofton b/c he was tired of watching him rot on the bench, but i concede there is a grey area there.

            that offseason was just a total disaster. it was the offseason where Cashman clearly wasn’t making the majority of decisions. Wright, Womack, and Randy were not Cashman moves even if Pavano was.

            just thinking about it annoys me all over again.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

              I’m not sure the GM was all-aboard the Lofton train either. It seems the Boss wanted speed after Pierre lit them up in the 2003 series.

              BIG STIEN WANTS A CALZONE!!!!!

      • dan l

        By 2010 the Yankees will have a very different team. There likely will be NO role on it for him going forward.

        Jeter as a Utility player going for hit 3000 would be amusing. He will need less then 100 hits so that could work.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          By 2010 the Yankees will have a very different team. There likely will be NO role on it for him going forward.

          By 2010, the only major league capable outfielder we’d have under contract may very well be Austin Jackson.

          There’s likely plenty of room, and roles, for Derek Jeter going forward.

    • steve (different one)

      this may be true, but i don’t think any other team will pay him big money either.

  • blee

    Jeter cannot wear anything other than Yankee pinstripes.. he’s allergic to all other uniforms..

    • dan l

      Sure he can! Jeter’s legacy as a lifetime Yankee is in his hands not the teams. If he wants more money then he moves on. If he insists on playing SS when he can’t after this contract move on.

      After to 2010 season Jeter will need the Yankees a lot more then they will need him!

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