Dec
06

Kennedy getting coaching

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David Pinto directs our attention to an interview with Ian Kennedy. The once and future prospect has been working hard to improve his breaking pitches and command this winter with the current USC pitching coach Tom House. Kennedy is optimistic about 2009 but realizes he has a long way to go after his disastrous 2008 season. While a lot of Yankee fans have an irrational hatred of Kennedy, he’s still very young and still very well regarded. A bounce-back season would not be out of the ordinary.

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  • Steve H

    A bounce back season? Come on, he’s already 23 and 2 1/2 years removed from college. If he hasn’t won 2 Cy Youngs by now, he’s a bust.

    • A.D.

      agreed

    • T-Dizzle

      yea but we shouldnt be giving up on him so quick bc like u said he is still really young and i just think he will only get better then what he is now so cant hold him the same way as we hold joba ya know

      • Brian

        I think the sarcasm was lost on you.

  • dan

    I thought House had been the pitching coach at USC for longer than two years? Wasn’t he Prior’s coach, or was that like a personal trainer kind of thing?

    • Steve H

      I think that was at his baseball academy. Zito has been tutored by House since his teens I believe.

      • dan

        Which seems strange, considering Zito’s mechanics look nothing like those of any of House’s more recent students.

  • Mike Pop

    Who’s Kenned

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      At some point our asking you to e-mail us blatant typos instead of leaving overly obnoxious comments will sink in, right?

      • Mike Pop

        Relax its a little joke.. Sorry that I offended you

        • Reggie C.

          Law school finals puts everybody on edge. I’m sure Ben will feel better once January rolls around.

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Tilting at windmills.

      • radnom

        No need to be a dick about it, i thought this was funny.

  • A.D.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/12.....142910.htm

    If you read the Post article, it also has IPK address some of the comments made after that angels start.

    • Steve H

      And while the comments sounded bad, I do like the justification. Seriously, he’d had hours to think about it and get over it, which is what you want from a pitcher. Better than being Donnie Moore and Mitch Williams and never getting over it (obviously different stage/results). Had they asked him as he was walking off the mound how he felt about his performance, I’m sure the response would have been different.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      And yet, “some unnamed people” insist on criticizing for a smirk.

      • mustang

        If it was one isolated incident that he learn from I would understand, but it wasn’t.
        That being said he is young and made some mistakes hopefully now he has learned from them and we can move on.

  • mustang

    Sound great I hope it translates to spring training and the majors. Along with “improve his breaking pitches and command” I hope he also worked on his attitude or at least on this post game interview skills that might help with the ” irrational hatred of Kennedy” part.

    • Mike Pop

      Ya man I hope it translates also

  • Mike Pop

    IPK could be traded for Peavy in the end

    • T-Dizzle

      no way man they are gonna want hughes not ipk but i wouldnt mind putting ipk with someone else if theyre interested in that but ipk alone isnt gonna get it done

      • andrew

        yea, maybe kennedy and hughes, but i dont see kennedy being the centerpiece for any deal in which we get somebody that good

        • T-Dizzle

          if we throw in ajax we could all the pads wanna do is get rid of his salary

          • Mike Pop

            Yup the type of package they want could be lessened if they have trouble trading him

          • Eric

            Do you realize that Austin Jackson is the only close-to-major league-ready position player the Yankees have in their system? Why is everyone in such a hurry to get rid of this guy?

            • Mike Pop

              Ya I would not trade him in a deal for Peavy. I was just saying that the package we give them could be more of a quantity than quality.

              A-Jax —-STUD

              • Eric

                That was in response to T-Dizzle, my bad.

                • Mike Pop

                  Alll good brother.. Now if we still had Tabata I would not have a problem putting him in this deal instead of A-Jax

                • Eric

                  Ditto.

  • Andy In Sunny Daytona

    Tom House has him out throwing footballs. I always thought that was a clever way to warm up.

    • dan

      Throwing a football forces you to pronate your arm through release. I think Mike Marshall has his guys do the same thing.

    • T-Dizzle

      builds arm strength

  • Simon B.

    Yeah, I really think his comments after the game have been overblown. I think, in a certain way, it’s a virtue. Maybe fans want the pitcher to feel bad about his performance, but really, from a pragmatic standpoint, there’s little reason to. Thus the maxim, “No use crying over spilled milk.” Just put it behind you and work for the future.

  • Ron

    A little adversity can be a good thing, if you can learn and grow from it. We sometimes forget that these guys are so talented that they often dominate at every level they play until the bigs, when they start playing with equally talented individuals.

    Remember Greg Jefferies? He said he NEVER had a hitting slump until his 1st full year in the bigs, and then he didn’t know how to handle it, and as a result, didn’t have the MLB career that was predicted of him.

    ’09 will show us how IPK and Hughes react to adversity. Let’s hope it’s not like Jefferies.

    • http://riveraveblues.com/2008/11/08/bas-top-10-yankees-prospects-5738/#comments yankee21

      Excellent point.

  • FuckKevinBrown

    Kennedy sucks. Everyone thought this guy was God’s gift to pitching after his 19 innings in 2007. He has a rag arm and a cocky personality with nothing to back it up with.

    Trade this guy while people still have interest in him, if they even still do.

    Put a trade together of Kei Igawa and Ian Kennedy for the best any organizations best parking lot attendant.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      Last warning. Change your comment handle or you’re done.

    • T-Dizzle

      why do you hate kevin brown so much

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

        You don’t hate Kevin Brown? I sure do.

        • T-Dizzle

          its not like i like him but to hate him so much that your screen name is fuckkevinbrown i mean that must be some personal reason or something i mean he doesnt even play here anymore and hasnt for a while

  • E-ROC

    Its always good to the see youngsters wanting to improve. Kennedy should be good for 200 innings next year, right?

    • Tripp

      Wow, people are feisty today! That’s like 5 or 6 warnings today from Joe.

  • T-Dizzle

    i still think we should be more patient with ipk cuz he may turn out to be a good pitcher so peeps need to stop being so hard on him this early

  • Eric

    Isn’t it just more fun to call him a bust?

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Yes.

      • Eric

        Okay, cool. Just checking.

        • Ron

          What I can’t understand is why people are so wont to give up on IPK and Hughes, but are willing to trade Cano, who has actually accomplished something in the Major Leagues, for Kershaw or Billingsley. It’s not like those guys are lighting it up in the NL West.

          If we had Kershaw or Billingsley, I’ll bet some of our fans would want to ship them out for a bag of balls.

          • Mike Pop

            Kershaw and Bills >>> Kennedy and Hughes..

            I would think Hughes could be as good as one of them if not better but those guys are have way more upside than Kennedy.

            Plus Bills was pretty solid this year and it was his first full year as a starter

          • Eric

            If we could get one of those two for Cano straight up, I’d do it. But it won’t be. So…

            • Ron

              Kershaw is just potential at this point, so let’s look at Billingsley.

              He turned 24 in July 2008, and threw 200 innings (and another 11 in the PS), up from 147 in ’07, so there’s a red flag. He started 32 games, went 16-10 with a K/inning and had a WHIP of 1.33. Not bad, especially for a 24 year old, but certainly not lights out. He could improve in ’09, or, based on his large innings increase, develop some type of arm problems. And for that you would trade Cano, a middle infielder 1 year removed from a .342 BA?

              Just for comparisons sake, what do you think the reaction of Yankees fans would be if Hughes put up those #’s in ’09? While I’m sure the more rational ones would see it as a big step in his development, I’m also sure that there would be those bitching that “I can’t believe Cashman didn’t trade him for Peavy.”

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

                *two years removed from a .342 BA. He hit .306 in 2007 and .342 in 2006.

                • Ron

                  My bad.

            • Mike Pop

              Yep

  • Eric

    T-Dizzle:

    Punctuation: 1. the practice or system of using certain conventional marks or characters in writing or printing in order to separate elements and make the meaning clear, as in ending a sentence or separating clauses.

    It’s your friend. Don’t be afraid of it.

    • T-Dizzle

      its a sports blog dude get over yourself

      • Eric

        Just trying to help, bud. It makes you sound much more intelligent if people can clearly read what you’re saying.

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona

        It should read:

        “It’s a sports blog dude, get over it!”

        • Eric

          Or, if you want to get really stylish with it:

          “It’s a sports blog, dude; get over it.”

          Yeah, I use semi-colons.

          English majors of the world, unite!

  • stewman23

    Hey, can anybody point me in the right direction for getting some of the basic pitcher info(average pitch speeds, pitch selection percentages, etc.)? Also, does anybody using a mobile device know how to utilize the ‘reply to this comment’ link. I’m on a Moto Q9 and when I click the link my screen just flashes. Thanks in regard to any help on both.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      To answer the former question, check out this site: http://www.fangraphs.com/

      As to your latter query, yo no se.

  • stewman23

    thanks man

  • stewman23

    Some potentially interesting speculation on the idea of K-Rod remaining and Angel over at MLBTR. The idea being, that the Met’s supposed offer only exceeds what the Angels were willing to pay by about 2 million. So, if you’re the Angels and you miss out on Tex, might it make the most sense to retain your closer, stick to trying to extend Lackey, and sign somebody like Dunn to the lesser contract?

  • gxpanos

    I’ve been thinking about those post-game comments. He seems arrogant and cocky, right? Well, why do we not want that? What does beating yourself up over things really do? At its worst, that kind of thing may show that a player is having second thoughts about his skills, which would, I think we’d all agree, be generally a bad thing. I never criticized him for those comments at the time, and still haven’t, because it seems to me pitchers have to be insanely competitive and very, very confident to be effective. Of course, the exact opposite might be true, too.

    I think the main negatives of the comments were that they UNEXPECTED. The media was expecting crazy remorse and verbal self-deprecation, and when they didn’t get it, they stirred up a crapstorm. I don’t CARE what Yankee players say to the media (to a certain point, of course–Vince Young and Mike Tyson are good examples of the two extremes where I wouldn’t want players on the team I root for to be).

    Are Jeter and A-Rod really as bland in their personal life as they are post-game? No way, it’s impossible. They do what they do, I believe, because they are in tune with the fact that the best way to keep the fans on their side is to separate personality from baseball-playing. That’s what we watch and go to games for, right?

    My conclusion is, then, that just because some players have stronger personalities than others, or are less in tune to PR stuff than others, shouldn’t make their value different in the eyes of the fans. So if Kennedy sounds arrogant, all that does is show us something real about his personality as opposed to the Cap’n, whom fans can’t pretend to know anything about. But in the final analysis, none of that really matters, as long as his ERA is in the 3’s.

    Can we try to extrapolate whether Kennedy’s arrogance will be a detriment to him as a player? Sure, we could probably weigh in on it, and we do, but it wouldn’t make any difference. It could go either way. And for that reason, we wait for him to PITCH. If he pitches well, the arrogance is a virtue. If he’s back in AAA in ’09, it’s a detriment.

    Pedro, Smoltz, Schilling are differing levels of arrogant. Still great, which would you want? Moose, Unit, Wanger, Bedard are different levels of standoffish, still good to great. Halladay’s intense, Webb is laid-back. Which would you rather have? Lowe’s an animal, Pettitte’s a family man. Which one?

    This is all ridiculous, of course, because to answer all those questions we’d look at age, salary, WHIP, FIP, k/9, bb’s, ERA…not a psychological profile.

    Man, sorry that all my posts seem to be like treatises lately.

    • UpStateYank

      Well put man…well put.

  • DonnieBaseballHallofFame aka they guy who has well documented history of belligerent thickheadedness and anti-intellectual character assassinations

    “Kennedy getting coaching”

    Hopefully Kennedy is getting a fastball while he is at it.

    • Ron

      Kennedy is never going to throw 95 consistently, but that doesn’t mean he can’t be successful. Maddux was never a power pitcher, and he had a pretty good career. Now before anyone jumps ugly on me, I’m NOT saying IPK will have a career like Maddux’s. What I’m saying is that it isn’t necessary to be a power pitcher to have a successful ML career.

      • DonnieBaseballHallofFame aka they guy who has well documented history of belligerent thickheadedness and anti-intellectual character assassinations

        “What I’m saying is that it isn’t necessary to be a power pitcher to have a successful ML career.”

        DUH!

        I was kidding around, but seriously if all he has is his junk he had last time I saw him pitch he needs a fastball.

        I do not care if all you have is slow, slower and slowest. But I have not seen anything I like from this kid. I have not seen him pitch a ton but what I have seen I did not like.

        He also seems like an ass.

        With all that said, I hope he finds enough to slot it at #5 sometime during his lifetime with the Yanks.

        I still wish he was pitching for the Twins AAA team and not ours.

  • Steve

    “The results have been noteworthy. This week Kennedy pitched a complete-game shutout for Mayaguez, allowing three hits and one walk while striking out seven. The previous start he fired seven shutout innings without issuing a walk.”

    I wonder if the curveball was what was leading him to walk too many guys. Its generally thrown out of the strike zone, so it’s a likely culprit.

    I have always had faith in IPK, though I’ll admit he tested it at times. But the one real doubt I (and many scouts) had was if he was going to walk too many guys/not throw enough strikes at the big league level. Even at his best in the minors, he was still walking around 3/9IP. He needed to get that down to be successful, so lets hopr this is the final piece of the puzzle for him.

    He has a good fastball and a great changeup, and the change is typically the hardest pitch to master. Adding a curve that he can consistently command to go along with his show-me slider against lefties and he has everything he needs to be a big league pitcher.