Dec
21

OT/DotF: Melky & Albie shining in winter ball

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Ian Kennedy’s season is over, he was sent home after throwing 34.2 excellent innings in Puerto Rico. He finished the year at 168.1 IP (counting the Triple-A playoffs), meaning he’s good for 190-200 IP in 2009.

Here’s the other winter ball notables:

  • Melky Cabrera: 27 for 83 (.325), 19 R, 6 2B, 1 HR, 12 RBI, 13 BB, 10 K, 2 SB in 22 games … Gammons says the Yanks stopped pursuing Mike Cameron because Melky improved his plate approach this winter, but I don’t buy it for a second
  • Robbie Cano: 19 for 68 (.279), 14 R, 8 2B, 1 HR, 15 RBI, 7 BB, 5 K, 1 SB, 1 HBP in 17 games … he’ll be done soon, he was only scheduled to play for a month
  • Frankie Cervelli: 12 for 49 (.245), 2 R, 2 2B, 1 HR, 3 RBI, 9 BB, 12 K, 1 SB, 1 CS, 1 HBP in 22 games
  • Edwar Gonzalez: 26 for 73 (.356), 8 R, 5 2B, 1 3B, 3 HR, 10 RBI, 4 BB, 16 K, 2 SB, 1 HB in 27 games … they resigned him after he became a 6 year minor league free agent
  • Walt Ibarra: 15 for 75 (.200), 3 R, 2 RBI, 6 BB, 17 K, 3 SB, 1 CS in 35 games
  • Ramiro Pena: 29 for 114 (.254), 13 R, 4 2B, 1 HR, 9 RBI, 3 BB, 14 K, 1 SB, 1 CS, 2 HBP in 32 games
  • Jorge Vazquez: 69 for 198 (.348), 37 R, 12 2B, 15 HR, 46 RBI, 23 BB, 50 K, 2 HBP in 54 games … Yanks just signed him as a minor league free agent after he spent the last ten years playing the Mexican League … MTOM has more info on him if you’re interested
  • Jon Albaldejo: 16 IP, 11 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 11 K, 1 WP in 14 appearances
  • Wilkins Arias: 10.2 IP, 16 H, 16 R, 15 ER, 7 BB, 12 K, 2 WP, 1 HB in 16 appearances

Wafy Rufino & Abe Almonte just reported to their winter league teams in the Dominican, but haven’t had any signifcant playing time yet.

Use this as your open thread for the night. The G-men kick off against the Panthers at 8:15pm, and home field advantage throughout the NFC playoffs could very well be decided in this one. Have fun, but play nice.

  • T-Dizzle

    mike who is walt ibarra

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      No one special. Just A and AA filler.

      • Mike Pop

        His feet are oddly shaped.

  • Rich M
    • Matt C

      I think that now gives the yanks an opening to offer more

      • Steve

        Huh?

        Teams dropping out means his price is going down, not up.

        • Jay CT

          Hell yeah- basic negotiations. If there are no other bidders, might as well bid more!!! (Do I need to add the !11!!1!! for people to realize I am being sarcastic?)

          • Matt C

            What i was meaning was, its down to the yanks and red sox and i think cashman would wait to see if texiera would sign with the angels. If Boras came back to cashman and said its the angels unless you up the bid then i think he would let it go, however, noe that the angels are out, cashman does not want him to go to the red sox and therefore offer more money so the red sox wont get him

            • Steve

              The Red Sox are out as well. I know that nobody wants to believe that, but the owner said so. And he owns the team.

              • Mike Pop

                If Teix ends up with the Nats because it is between them and the Orioles. Boras would of fucked up bad.

                http://failblog.files.wordpres.....alyzer.jpg

                • Jay CT

                  I think for the Yankees, Tex winding up in Washington is the best thing for the Yankees. They then sign Manny; they improve IMMENSELY and the Sox do not. The Rays scoring was down last year, they won many games in the ninth or come from behind. Although I do not think they are a fluke, it will be difficult to duplicate what they did last season.

                • Mike Pop

                  If Sox miss out on Teix, do you see them trying to improve at all ? Like Dunn, Burrell, Lowe, or a trade?

                • Steve

                  -They could use a 4-5 starter, but they also have some in house candidates that could fit the bill.

                  -They have Ellsbury-Bay-Drew in the OF, no openings there.

                  They went to the ALCS without Manny, they really don’t need to do anything. But maybe they pick up a starter.

                • Mike Pop

                  Lowe might even take a discount for them.

                • Steve

                  Did you see Onley’s piece on ESPN? His price is dropping by the day as it is.

    • Ryan S.

      Yanks and Angels are both pulling out their offers at the same time, and the Nationals confident they won’t win? And Boston saying they were a nonfactor? What the hell is going on?

      • T-Dizzle

        boras

        • Tooch

          if i had to put money on it, i’d say tex is landing in boston. this is tough news for yankees fans, he’s an all-around solid player. i’d love to see him in pinstripes

          • Steve

            By this line of thinking, the Angels are still in it as well, since both have declared they are out.

            Gosh, my head hurts just typing that.

            • Ryan S.

              He’s gonna sign with Tampa Bay.

              • Steve

                And they’re going to pay him with CHEESE DOODLES!!!

                MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF CHEESE DOODLES!!

                • Mike Pop

                  And free orange juice for a lifetime!

      • A.D.

        certainly something fishy

        If true means the angels jump in on Manny

        • Alan

          With what money? They still need to address their closer role and after re-signing Rivera, they’d have a glut of OF/DH types. No, I don’t think Manny is a realistic target for the Angels.

          • A.D.

            Well obviously if they were willing to spend on Tex they have money to spend on Manny.

            They’re likely addressing the closer from within with Shields or Arredondo, though with Fuentes price coming down maybe they get in.

            In terms of their glut, my guess would be Hunter in CF, Rivera in LF/RF, Vlad in RF/DH. With Anderson gone (and that they’ve seeming given up on Matthews Jr) they need a LF.

            If they need more outfield room they can play Juan Rivera at 1B

            On top with the reports that theyve discussed Manny…. why wouldnt they be interested

            • Jay CT

              I actually don’t think they are going to try and sign Manny. I think they are playing the game, but would prefer to go for more quantity then quality, and can get like Burrell, Fuentes and another hitter for roughly the same cost of Manny it seems. Adding Manny doesn’t seem to make much sense, as Vlad is getting older, and I think I read at one point that with his bat slowing down a bit, they may not resign him next off-season.

          • Mike Pop

            I think they make an offer anyways.

            • Jay CT

              It seems an ideal place for Manny. Its a place he can get lost in the background outside of the stadium. Its laid back. He will get paid. He is near his agent so he can be babysat. And he can DH. I just don’t see them really bringing him in for some reason

          • Ryan S.

            Just like we’d have to make some adjustments to get Manny, so would the Angels. He’s worth making adjustments for.

    • VO

      for some reason i get this gut feeling that he is now a redsock

  • Ryan S.

    Good to see Melky, Cano, and Albie (thanks for the convenient nickname btw) doing well in the winter leagues. If Cano can become a more patient hitter, he’s going to be a consistently great hitter.

    I’m curious to see what becomes of the Melk Man. He seems more and more like eventual trade bait, but who knows?

    Albie seems like he may be contending with Bruney for 8th inning duty when the season starts.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

      Albie the Racist Dragon!

      • Ryan S.

        lulz I thought the same thing man. Flight of the Concords ftw.

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona

        His tears, as everyone knows, turn into jellybeans!!

        • Mike Pop

          His tears cure cancer.

          • Andy In Sunny Daytona

            That’s John Lester. Albie the Racist Dragon’s tears turn into jellybeans.

            • Mike Pop

              No, Chuck Norris is the one who’s tears cure cancer.

              But he never cries, except one time for LEster.

      • Matt M

        “but you left me very badly disfigured” laughed the boy

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

          Quit touching his bum, you’ll make it dirty.

  • JeffG

    I’m excited to hopefully get a full season out of Albaldejo – think he could be big for us this year.
    I’m still a believer but Robbie didn’t exactly eat up the ball… sure it must be tough to work on things. At lest he walked more than he struck out. Also, I’d say he should start thinking about taking some time off to reset, mentally, he’s got to be exhausted.

  • steve

    Carolina’s going to beat the Giants 28-17. Any predictions?

  • DanElmaleh

    I have run thirty simulations using OOTP 9 and simulated current rosters and run three examples:

    1. Yanks do nothing (10x)
    2. Yanks sign Manny (10x)
    3. Yanks sign Tex (10x)

    I had planned on writing up a big thing as to the how and why but I’m lazy tonight. Basically in each sceanario the Wins of the team did not differ much:

    (Wins on Average)
    1. 92
    2. 94.8
    3. 94.6

    I will say because of Manny’s age the Yanks have a far bigger range of W/L with him than with Tex or without either. Are three wins worth the money? In years where we finished 1st in the division (80% of all times in each scenario) there were only 2 times (2/24) where we won by less than three games. One instance where we did not make it did we miss out by less than 3 games. So do you spend the $$ for a 10% better chance to make the playoffs.

    In all scenarios, we basically lived and died by our pitching. In years where there were injuries we missed the playoffs. Phil and Joba projected very well and AJ stayed healthy most the time. I did not include Pettite back on the roster.

    To show anything is possible in one of the 30 scearios, the Cubs won the World Series. We won it 4 times (about one more than the law of averages based on our playoff rate). The Red Sox did not win in any scenario.

    • A.D.

      The Red Sox did not win in any scenario.

      Works for me!

      • DanElmaleh

        They won the division a few times; just not the WS. Just to clarify.

        • Mike Pop

          We only won it 4 times ? I guess we gotta sign Dunn too !!!!

    • Ryan S.

      do you spend the $$ for a 10% better chance to make the playoffs.

      YES, DEAR GOD YES. 10% is a shitload.

    • Steve

      Any model where the Cubs win the World Series is obviously full of bugs.

      BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD!

  • A.D.

    More on Tex soap opera, Mereno though he was being used:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns

  • steve

    Would you rather have Lowe on a 4 year 60 mill contract or pettite on a 1 year 10 mill contract?

    • Mike Pop

      Pettitte by a landslide.

    • A.D.

      Pettitte, no question

    • Ryan S.

      Yeah its not even a thought, give me Pettitte for 1 year and Hughes for his entire glorious, ring-filled career after that, thank you very much.

    • Steve

      Andy Andy Cotton Candy

  • DanElmaleh

    Andy

  • Mike Pop

    If we dont get involved and make a serious offer for Teix, he goes to Boston no doubt.

    • Ryan S.

      Its looking more and more like that. And they won’t even have to overpay for him as much as Boras would like.

      Take solace that if they get Tex, we’re more than likely be making a very serious run at Ramirez.

      • VO

        which I am strongly against, yea manny is a great player he will hit X homeruns hit for a high average but he doesnt fix our biggest issue, hes more of a want and not a necessaity

        • Ryan S.

          From where I stand, our biggest issues are we need another starter (Andy) and we need another impact bat.

      • Tooch

        Manny doesn’t excite me. His bat is great, but you won’t get a good attitude if he’s under the NY media pressure and he doesn’t have the prospect of a big contract to play for.

        I say go $175M over 8 for Tex and see if that gets it done. Based on what we’ve seen, I think it might, and while it’s a lot, it might be a bargain.

        • Mike Pop

          When we are in the playoffs and him and A-Rod mash, would that excite you ?

          • Tooch

            Of course I’d be excited, I love his bat. But what happens when Manny milks a “sore knee” for a day off or takes 3 Papelbon fastballs for strikes in the 8th or 9th as a statement of his desire to be traded?

            • Steve H

              Just maybe he’d lead a team to the playoffs, which he’s done 10 times in 14 seasons. Or he’d lead a team that was “cursed” to 2 titles in 7 season after he got there. Regardless of the “sore knee” or the taking fastballs (he’s always sucked as a pinch hitter, he’s not comfortable pinch hitting), he’s a winner.

            • Mike Pop

              He wont have a desire to be traded. Because we would be dominating. That issue is hugely overblown in my opinion. Red Sox shit on him just like they do with all their superstars. It was not right what he did, but I would not worry about it as much as people do. The guy takes his teams to championships and dominates in the playoffs. That is what we need. Look what he did for Ortiz, what he could do for A-Rod is unthinkable.

              • Tooch

                Manny did go on the record to say that he disliked the pressure of needing to win every day in Boston. I know there was a lot going on in Boston, so that could have just been the tip of the iceburg for him, but you know there’s easily as much pressure in the Bronx as there is in Beantown. Thoughts?

                • Mike Pop

                  Thats bs, he excels when the pressure is on.

                • Tooch

                  Fair enough, I don’t disagree with you, just sharing a quote. I don’t disagree with anything you’re saying, I too like the idea of Manny’s bat in a NY lineup. But can he really coincide with Joe Girardi aka the hard-ass as his manager?

                • Mike Pop

                  Heh, I would hope so. Girardi better not be the reason we dont get Manny.

        • Ryan S.

          I disagree with going on the assumption Manny is going to be a negative clubhouse presence, but I agree we’re better off blocking a Boston signing of Teixeira and getting him ourselves if it comes down to that, which is seems like it is.

          Still, if we miss out on Tex, its time to get in on Manny.

          • Mike Pop

            Manny, Cano, and Melky would become the three amigos.

  • Manimal

    Its just money. Throw it at him and Boras.

    • Manimal

      Plus, I am guessing Nick Swisher will under achieve to yankee standards and he will be traded sometime before he is gone. The free agent market for first basemen in the next couple years is laughable.

      • Mike Pop

        He wont be traded. Grit wins championships.

        • Manimal

          Romo is pretty Gritty.

          hahaha sorry, had to.

          • Mike Pop
            • Manimal

              Thats one thing I love about Football. 8:15 on the dot and they game begins. Baseball games are 7, but really start at like 7:15.

              • Mike Pop

                Ya but to hear 15 extra minutes of Michael Kay, its all worth it.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Yankee standards? What the hell are those?

        Everyone already expects the guy to suck, so whatever he gives will be a bonus.

        • Mike Pop

          Yankee Standards—500 avg 50 hrs 170 rbis and winning mvp of the regular season, ALCS, and the Series.

          • Thomas

            A feat only accomplished by Luis Sojo.

        • Manimal

          I meant the fans. People are already saying hes going to have a “comeback year” when I don’t buy it yet. I can’t wait for the “We should have kept Betemit” Brigade comes out since he will have a full time position in Chicago.

          • Tooch

            Haha, don’t look too hard for that “We should have kept Betemit” brigade, you’ll grow old waiting for it

            • Steve

              Will miss his song when he came to the plate, though (Better man-Pearl Jam) but that’s about it.

              • A.D.

                I’ll miss the grimace when swinging

                • Mike Pop

                  Pitchers in the AL East will miss the gust of fresh air they get everytime he is up to bat.

                • Steve

                  I’ll miss trying to find a spot for him in the infield. That was just full of surprises, ‘like a box of chocolates’ as Forrest Gump would say.

            • Manimal

              Guys, he sat for 90% of the year, and was expected to perform when called upon. Not easy. He will no doubt hit .250/20hr’s in a starting job.

              • Mike Pop

                I wish Ozzie Guillen was out manager.

                • Mike Pop

                  our**

                • Steve

                  Out? You mean Ozzie Guillen is gay?

                  I had no idea!

          • Steve

            I seriously doubt anyone will ever scream for Wilson Betemit to come back.

            I know some Yankee fans are dumb, but its not like were Mets fans or something.

          • Rich

            I’m still trying to figure the logic of your statement that Swisher will be gone before he’s traded. How does that happen?

            • Mike Pop

              Its destiny

        • Steve

          A 1B who gives you more than a .742 OPS would be nice.

      • Steve

        Swisher makes a ton of sense as a depth move. Playing him at 1B, RF, LF and giving him 400 ABs. Keeps the aging regulars fresh, gives us depth on the bench. This assumes you have a full time 1B.

        Playing Swisher everyday, you run the risk that last season’s .219/.332/.410 line wasn’t an aberration. Now with Melky/Gardner in CF and Damon in LF, you wonder where your power is coming from. A .742 OPS from 1B doesn’t cut it. Plus, Nady and Cano are very streaky and Jeter and Posada are getting old. That’s just not a very efficient lineup.

        You need to replace some of the plate discipline and OPS you just lost with Abreu/Giambi. We also don’t have a real #3 hitter on the team right now. Tex fits that bill perfectly, at a position of need.

  • 27 this year

    If the red sox really did drop out, the yanks could easily swoop in for Tex. Angels dropped out as well and now the only teams are the Orioles adn Nationals. I feel bad for Tex not so much for Boras

    • Mike Pop

      Ill never feel bad for a guy who will get at least 150 million dollars in the next couple weeks for playing baseball.

      • 27 this year

        True but he so screwed. He wants to play for a winner and all he gets is the Orioles and Nationals.The market really has fallen apart for him mostly cause of Boras being the biggest asshole on the planet.

        • Mike Pop

          Hey thats his fault, if I was him I would go crawling back to one of Angels/Red Cox/Yankees begging for them to give me 140 or so.

    • Steve

      Lets assume that, since both teams have only said that’s the case. I know many sportswriters and the hosts of Sportscenter think its all an elaborate Kabal, organized by the High Priests of the Temple, but lets just take take them at their word.

      The Nats offer is said in the Fox article to have been the same as the Angels offer, which was 160/8 years. The Orioles are said to be unwilling to go for the 8th year, and would want Tex to take a hometown discount.

      So if the Yanks want to swoop in and get him, their original offer of 160 for 8 years would be sufficient. Matching the Nats offer and giving him a chance to win will trump going to Washington. You could probably offer 155/8 years and get him, since NY is so much more of an attractive place to play.

      155/8 years, about 19 per. Who’s in?

      • 27 this year

        i am there with you but then won’t the Red Sox jump back in the fray with 160/8.

        • Steve

          I think The Red Sox offer was much lower than people realize. If the two best offers were 160/8 and the Red Sox bowed out, then the original reports of them being unwilling to go past 5 years sound about right. Henry said they weren’t even in the ballpark, so its not like they were only a few mil away.

      • Tooch

        It’s not my money, so by golly, absolutely!

      • A.D.

        155/8 wont work, the Sox offer was pulled because it “wouldnt match up” but it would beat that

        it means 170ish might work

        • Steve

          The only team that has actually released its offer is the Angels, and they said theirs was the same as the Nats. That offer was 160/8 years. The only other team involved if the O’s, and they have said they won’t go to the 8th year.

          When Henry says “It’s clear we aren’t going to be a factor” since the other offers were 8/160, it sounds pretty clear that they weren’t anywhere near that.

  • Mills

    Since everyone is talking about what Manny’s or Tex’s bat will do for the order, I have a question I’ve been thinking about. Who will hit third for us if we don’t sign either of the previous two free agents? My guesses are either Cano or Nady. I feel Cano will enjoy some success with his new approach and if he hits in front of A-Rod he’ll see a lot of pitches he can connect with. What are your ideas? My batting order goes Damon, Jeter, Cano/Nady, A-Rod, Matsui, Posada, Cano/Nady, Swish, and Melky/Gardner. Obviously there will be tweaks to this line-up depending on who hits third.

    • A.D.

      I think A-Rod, and they play a hot hand at DH.

      Otherwise probably Matsui if he stays healthy

      • A.D.

        i meant hot hand at cleanup

        • Steve

          Actually, the DH spot can be used to give the regulars a half day off. Girardi says he would prefer to do that if he didn’t have an everyday DH. So you could do some matching up at DH.

    • Mike Pop

      I would like to see Cano third, but at the start I think you would see A-Rod there. IF we signed Manny, Arod would definitely hit 3rd.

      • Reggie C.

        Hey Pop,

        Are the Cowboys playoff chances still alive after the Eagles loss today? I’d love to see the G-men whup on ‘em when it matters!!

        • Mike Pop

          We win next week and we are in. I for one would love to face you guys. Id be more confident facing you than any other team. We would have to win a game first though.

      • Steve

        Cano doesn’t get on base enough to hit in the 3 hole. The #3 is supposed to be you best pure hitter. Cano is more likely to hit .300/.350 OBP with 15-20 HRs than he is to ever be a .350/.400 OBP guy with 25-30 HRs. So at best Cano’s a 5-6, not a 3.

  • Reggie C.

    Its down to the RS and the Nationals. I guess tonight is about as good a time as any for Cash to push for an offer. Should Teixeira choose the RS without having gotten a yankee bid, Hank Steinbrenner is going to push hard for a Manny signing. Supposedly, many pple think Manny isn’t one of Cash’s “guys”.

    Offer 8 years/$168 Million and hope that the Sox offer is closer to $160M than $170M.

    Oh yea…skip on Pettitte and give Aceves/Hughes/Kennedy the opening 5 slot.

    • Steve

      The Angels are still in it.

      • A.D.

        they confirmed pulling the offer

        • Steve

          The Red Sox owner pulled out, and nobody seems to believe that.

          Why would someone believe the Angels owner, but not believe the Red Sox owner? Maybe Moreno is using pulling out as a “negotiating ploy” right? Just like the Sox are?

          See? I can talk crazy, too.

          • A.D.

            Well the difference is Henry said “our offer doesnt seem to match up” which is more a money than interest & pursuit issue

            The angles stuff seems a bit more serious.
            http://latimesblogs.latimes.co.....hdraw.html

            Even so I mainly used your post as a chance to add the nugget

            • Steve

              Straws. Grasping at straws.

              Tex to the Sox never made any sense to begin with. It would have required a Lowell trade which isn’t doable, moving Youkilis all over the place, going further in years than Theo ever has, and the top guy in their system is 1B Lars Anderson. Who will be young and cost controlled for many years to come, and should be ready to get called up sometime later this year. Plus, there’s really no need since they made the ALCS last year without him. They could have advanced further if they had some middle relief, a 4th starter and a healthy Beckett.

              • Steve H

                You really think the Sox aren’t interested? That’s crazy. And there is a difference, the Sox haven’t pulled their offer as the Yankees did. The Sox are leaving their offer on the table, thinking Boras is bluffing. Ortiz and Lowell are both old and way past their primes. Bringing in Tex would give them 2 guys at the corners providing great offense and defense for the next 5 years. So they’ll have to eat some money by trading Lowell (good thing for them he took a hometown discount), but long term Tex makes a ton of sense for them, and Theo has always loved him.

                • Steve

                  -“Henry’s words: “We met with Mr. Teixeira and were very much impressed with him. After hearing about his other offers, however, it seems clear that we are not going to be a factor.”

                  -“Earlier this week, Henry had expressed concern about granting a player a contract of eight years or more.

                  “We all have limits,” he wrote the AP on Wednesday. “Eight years is a very long time in baseball and everywhere else.””

                  http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....re_no.html

                  You people should start a cult. Facts do not change your opinion on this topic.

                • A.D.

                  Why are you being so nuts on this?

                • Mike Pop

                  Wanna know something Steve, Yanks said A-Rod was moving on too and we would not deal with him and THAT IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT..!!!!

                  Come on bro, dont believe everything you read.

                • Steve H

                  So what exactly did Henry say? Did he say we’re not interested? No. Did he say we won’t go 8 years? No. Did he say they are pulling the offer they made? No. The offer was reported to be 8 years, so apparently Henry overcame his concern. And it was concern, not a line in the sand that they won’t go 8 years.

                  Who do you think he’s going to sign with anyway? I think Sox, as do most people, so I’d like your thoughts on where he’ll end up.

                • Steve

                  I’m not being nuts. THIS . .

                  http://www.staralicious.com/wp.....insane.jpg

                  . . . is nuts.

                • Steve H

                  New York, which failed to make the World Series in all of Rodriguez’s seasons, maintained Monday that it will not attempt to re-sign A-Rod now that he has opted out. “No chance,” Hank Steinbrenner, a son of owner George Steinbrenner, said Monday at Legends Field. “Not if it’s made official.”

                  “Alex was a key part of our success over the last four seasons, and I appreciate having the opportunity to work with him,” he said. “I only wish we could have raised a championship trophy together during his time here, which was the ultimate goal we all shared.”-Cash

                  Those two statements are 10x more concrete than anything Henry or the Sox have said, and who was our 3B this year?

                • Mike Pop

                  Your loco my friend.

                • Mike Pop

                  Steve H, Hank did that as a negotiating ploy to keep A-Rod’s price down…DUH

                • Steve

                  As we have all learned, nobody should take anything that Hanks says seriously. Last time I checked, John Henry isn’t Hank Stienbrenner and doesn’t have a similar rep for shooting his mouth off.

                  Steve H, please don’t post stuff that Cashman says. He lies all the time, its part of his job. Find me a previous instance of JOHN HENRY saying he was done with a client, and then signing the guy. That would be meaningful. But saying that because Hank Steinbrenner said something means John Henry will do the same is just being silly.

              • Reggie C.

                Gotta disagree with your 9:06 post Steve.

                The RS would be absolutely lethal with Tex in their lineup. That’s a near guaranteed 1000 run offense with a core consisting of the midget MVP, Puke, Bay, and Tex. That leaves opposing rotations soo little wiggle room.

                Bay is under contract for another season. Theo would have Lars learn the OF immediately.

                I’m telling you Steve. It makes sense for the RS..

    • 27 this year

      you don’t get it do you. Joba has to be in the 5 spot to limit innings. We need a #4 like Pettitte to soak up innings that Burnett and Joba can’t and Hughes and them will get a chance once someone inevitably gets injured. Hey Mike, do us a favor and post something about how Joba is the 5th starter and we can’t throw Aceves Hughes Kennedy in there because then our depth is hurt will only two backups in whoever doesn’t get the spot. As we saw, we need more than two backups if we want to avoid Ponson

      • Steve

        Yeah, every time I think of passing on Andy, I eventually come back to the fact that it wouldn’t work. Unless you start Aceves in their place(s) once a month, which wouldn’t be crazy. But as a steady rotation it won’t work.

        • Ryan S.

          Yeah, we need Andy for the innings, and with him in there as the #4 it gives us a lot more depth. Having Hughes as our #6 and Aceves as the longman makes a big difference.

          • Steve

            One injury and all of sudden your rotation gets weak. Two (to the wrong guys) and we could be really screwed. You need Andy’s innings.

  • Manimal

    WOW, way to go Giants D

    • Reggie C.

      hmm…this is going to be a game.

      • Manimal

        I have an Idea, lets trade Nady back to the Pirates for McLouth. DO IT UP CA$HMONEY

        • Steve

          The worst CF in Baseball.

          Perfect, he’ll fit right in.

          • Mike Pop

            Haha

  • Tooch

    Here’s a question to ponder: if you’re Teixeira, would you rather 160M over 8, which seems like the market for him right now, or sign a contract like 80-100M over 3 to 4 years, make more annually, then hope to sign a huge contract at age 31/32 in better financial times?

    • Steve

      This question comes up every year with somebody, but the way players and agents look at these things is total guaranteed money. Player’s careers are short and uncertain. You never know who will be another Andruw Jones, so you take the 160, no questions asked.

      • Chris

        I know that’s the way it always works, but is that the way it *should* work. Is that really in the best interests of the player, or is it just the safer bet?

        I think this is a special situation too. The bottom just fell out of the economy and you can see the effects in some of the FA deals (i.e. non-Yankee deals). I think you can specifically see this with regards to Teixiera, where every team has seemingly backed away. If he can’t get what he wants now, it would seem to be better for him to take a big dollar short deal (if he can find one of course) now, and try to cash in on his net deal in a few years.

        • Steve

          I have another name for you. Nomar Garciaparra. He probably cost himself 50 million bucks by not taking the Red Sox deal when it was offered.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            Juan Gonzalez is the king of contract fails. He turned down an 8/140 deal from the Tigers back in 2000 that would have just expired this year. He made “just” $46.1M after that.

            • Mike Pop

              BJ might lose out on a lot of money if he gets hurt in one of his final years with the Rays. Since he refuses to sign an extension and hit FA as soon as possible.

              That is why I dont blame Hanley for signing that deal. If he left that money on the table and got hurt and his career ended, he would be working at K-Mart.

              • Chris

                I guess the bigger point here is that agents and players should try to target when their contracts run out to maximize the earning potential. It seems to me that they just shoot for the longest, largest dollar value they can get.

                In an ideal world, a player would become a FA for the first time at about 27. Then they’d sign a 4-5 year deal, making them a free agent again at age 32. This is when you’d sign a big 6-8 year deal. Depending on when you first become a free agent, the length of the first deal should be adjusted. If the first deal runs out when you’re 37, then you’re most likely not going to get another significant deal (see Giambi).

      • Chris

        Oh, and Andruw Jones is a perfect example of why agents/players SHOULD do deals like this.

        After 2001, he signed a 6 year $75M deal. I have no inside information, but I am sure that the value of this contract was depressed by the economy. Now he’s completely done, and I would be surprised if he plays at all in 2010.

        Let’s imagine that he had signed a 3 year deal instead, and now becomes a free agent after 2004. Beltran signed a 7/$119M deal after 2004. Jones hit more home runs and was believed to be superior defensively (Jones’ OPS/OPS+ were lower), and would likely have signed a similar contract.

        If you add it up, Jones likely could have made $40-50M more by signing a short deal in the bad economic times. Of course, that second deal would look even worse for the team since it would likely run through 2011 at high salary.

        • Mike Pop

          Andruw—Comeback player of the Year

        • Steve

          The big difference here is age. Tex is 28 years old (29 opening day 2009). Jones was 24 years old in 2001. Jones is washed up at the age of 31. A 3 year deal for Tex would take him to 32 years of age, not 27 as it would have for Jones. You are far more likely to be done at the age of 32 than you are at 27. Bad comp.

          • Chris

            You’re kidding right? The minimally higher chance of breaking down negates every other positive?

            • Steve

              In case you haven’t noticed, age sort of matters when it comes to baseball players. Plus, as me and Mike A have given you examples on this, not going for the guaranteed money can blow up in your face. Not worth it to squeeze out a few extra bucks.

              Nice try, bad idea.

              • Chris

                Just because you say so doesn’t mean it’s a bad idea. Of course it will blow up sometimes, but that doesn’t mean it’s a bad idea. Let’s look at a similar situation where a player has the option to sign a guaranteed deal through their arbitration years. Boras clients NEVER sign these deals. Why? Because you get more money by going year to year. It’s a similar situation during free agency.

                As for the age issue, for position players, there’s really not that big a difference between 27 and 32 as far as breaking down. Obviously more players break down before 32 than before 27, but the typical career arc begins the decline phase (and thus the greater chance of significant break down) at 32 or slightly after.

    • A.D.

      You try and negotiate an opt out thats the ideal

  • yankees

    GO GMEN

    i say they go for a short term deal for more dollars.
    heres my theory. boras is not going to let tex go to an unsuccessful team. the orioles and the nats are not going to be contenders for a few years, and i just don’t think that boras will want that for tex. if the redsox and angels are really out, tex will go to the yanks at a slight discount.

  • Januz

    I think Teixeira is going to the Yankees, and Manny back to the Dodgers, which from a Yankee perspective, is the ultimate outcome (CC, AJ, AND Tex in the Bronx, and Anaheim and Boston much weaker (With no K-Rod,Tex or Manny replacement )). People are sick of Boras and his game playing, trying to squeeze every dollar possible, out of the teams. That is why the Angels dropped out, and Boston said no. Cashman, is in a unique position, to beat Boras, at the free agent game, and I think he is willing to roll the dice and do it.
    Boras has to start realizing that we have the worst economy since the great depression, and every team does not have big money to spend. The only reason why the Yankees do, is great timing: Getting contracts like Pavano’s & Giambi’s off the books, and the expected added revenue and loss of luxury tax payments from the new stadium. If not for those factors, they would not be in a commanding position.
    Finally, if he really cares about his clients such as Teixeira, and Arod (They call Tex “The Ultimate Client”), he has a unique opportunity to reunite them (They were in Texas together), and perhaps win championships. The ball is in his court.

    • Mike Pop

      “Texiera and A-Rod did not get along, therefore it does not matter how much the Yankees offer, Teixeria will never end up in New York.”

      For Espn, Im Peter Gammons.

  • Steve

    So much for the defensive struggle between two similar teams, huh?

  • VO

    Quick question when is Pujols a free agent?

    • Manimal

      2010 with a 2011 team option that will be picked up.

    • Steve

      When he dies of old age.

  • Manimal

    FUCK YOU AARON ROSS

    • Reggie C.

      wow. we’re getting killed.

      • Manimal

        Right in his hands. RIGHT IN HIS FUCKING HANDS.

      • Mike Pop

        CUZ YA’LL SUCK!

  • Manimal

    Aparently the refs want the panthers to win as well…

    • A.D.

      apparently the Giants secondary wants the panthers to win

  • A.D.

    Giants and Jets stick falling fast

    • Steve H

      The Favre honeymoon is over. Throw out the Cards game and he’d be at 15 td’s with 18 int’s. How the hell did he make the Pro Bowl? He’s been the 3rd best QB in his own division (with the same 9-5 records as the other 2 guys) yet he’s going to Hawaii?

      • A.D.

        he shouldn’t be in the Pro Bowl, thats just redic

      • Mike Pop

        Its a popularity contest like Urlacher said the other day.

  • Mike Pop

    Keep on keepin on Eli!!

  • http://yankeesmtom.blogspot.com Steven

    Wow. A link from this site gets me 500 hits in a few hours – more than I get in a few days combined usually.

    Thanks. (-:

  • Reggie C.

    I needed to distract myself from the Giants game so i just looked up Jason Bay’s contract situation. I was intrigued b/c people are wondering why the RS would go for broke for a 1b when they got the terrific prospect, Lars Anderson, who likely needs only ONE more minor league season.

    Bay is under contract for 2009 and that’s it. Theo would have Anderson start catching fly balls in the snow the moment Tex signed. I don’t think the RS would miss Bay’s production for too long if Anderson is the guy slipping into the lineup.

    pretty scary guys….

    • Mike Pop

      That could be what he is thinking. Or he could be looking to package Lars for a young stud like Greinke or Cain.

      • Reggie C.

        I doubt Theo would move Lars Anderson at this point. Anderson has just established himself as an upper-echelon prospect and IF theo does end up signing Tex to a mega-contract, then having Lars Anderson as a controlled, cheap bat makes him all the more important. It keeps a potential 900-1000 run offense intact.

        • Chris

          I wonder if they could get a decent catcher in exchange for him.

    • Steve

      Anderson is pretty slow footed, that’s why he’s a 1B in the first place. I don’t think that’s his plan. Maybe you could argue for a trade, but why trade a young, almost ready, cheap 1B when you’ll need one in a year or two? Lars is perfect for what they will need long term.

      Again, they went to the ALCS and lost not because they didn’t have enough hitting, but because they lacked a 4th starter and some middle relief. That’s what they need.

      http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....asonType=3

      • Reggie C.

        Again, I think the RS can find those guys in-house. If the Yankee farm is deep in pitching, unfortunately, the RS farm isn’t too far behind. Buchholz still has his fan base at Baseball America intact, and its thought that he’s at least Hughes’ equivalent. Masterson looked pretty good.

        Of course, if Lars Anderson was a smaller, faster guy, it’d be a better fit. But how much room does he need to patrol anyway at Fenway…

        • Mike Pop

          Manny patrolled left and hes the devil according to some on this blog.

          • Ryan S.

            I’m sure The Red Sox wish they could turn back time and never have offered him that god awful contract – what a waste of money that was, right?

            • Mike Pop

              Only 2 world series after 86 years without any. Please, they know they fucked up giving him that contract.

  • yankees

    i feel your pain steven.

  • VO

    Hey does anyone have a yardbarker account?

    • Manimal

      yessir. barely use it though

  • Steve

    Shit.

    • Manimal

      fuck.

  • Manimal

    I hope Jacobs resigns with the giants.

  • JeffG

    Steve – It got clogged up above so:
    ”Henry’s words: “We met with Mr. Teixeira and were very much impressed with him. After hearing about his other offers, however, it seems clear that we are not going to be a factor.”
    Here is how I read that: Boras was probably demanding something ridiculous like 25 mil per season x 8. He also probably used his usual tactic of saying that there is a team out there that is in that region. Hendry was not going to bid up when he knows better and more or less drew a line. I believe Hendry’s words were true that if those imaginary Boras figures/ “other offers” were in fact real then Boston would not be a factor. There is an imperative to them “being out” however, that is if the other offers will land Tex closer to 200 mill than 170. With that, most rational people believe very little of what Boras says. Those who do think Varitek is going to get a Posada contract or Manny six years. Sane people of this earth still think that Boston could have the best offer on the table and therefore still in position to land a bat that they seemed to lack in the playoffs.

  • Manimal

    Panthers:Making plays on Defense
    Giants:Defense is Asleep.

  • Manimal

    Amazing special teams play.

  • Manimal

    I have a serious question not about the Giants.

    Mike, What kind of referees are there in fall ball? Something tells me to take Melky’s OBP with a grain of salt but If those were legit walks then maybe he did change.

    • http://headshotsonly.wordpress.com The Third Yip-Yip

      One of the stupidest things I have ever heard, or rather, hear on a weekly basis, is the metaphorical expression, “take with a HUGE grain of salt”. The point is that it’s SMALL AND INSIGNIFICANT! Haha, good to see you using it correctly Manimal, +1.

      • Manimal

        haha how big of a grain of salt are we talking about here.

        I know what you mean.

  • Manimal

    Bradshaw time, bring him in Coughlin.

  • Mike Pop

    Ward looks great tonight.

  • Mike Pop

    Nice play there.

  • Manimal

    Being a sports fan must be a disease. High Blood preasure, irregular heart beat, un controllable shouting.

    • Ryan S.

      Its probably about to be a fatal one in Seattle … that’s the saddest sports city ever.

      • Manimal

        Seriously. Bust baseball team, Football team was problematic with all the head coach stuff and Hasselback getting hurt, the basketball team moved because of the lack of support from fans. Bad year for Seattle and Detroit.

  • Mike Pop

    I didnt know you could end a game in a tie.–Donovan

  • Ryan S.

    TAILS! YES

    • Manimal

      Eli manning’s reaction. Priceless.

  • Manimal

    What. a. game.

    Its not even over yet.

  • Ryan S.

    WOW. Giants got their groove back.

    • Manimal

      301 yards….

      yeah I’d say so.

    • Stephen

      More like they got Brandon Jacobs back.

  • daneptizl

    Piece of shit Steve Smith can’t stay in bounds. If Donald Lee gets any points I lose… Why the hell didn’t they kick the damn FG with Carney either… woulda given me at least 3 pt cushion…

  • VO

    MLBTR put up the 2010 free agents is it possible that cash doesnt want to get TEX because he wants to get a cheaper LaRoche?

    • VO

      btw im not comparing the two but if im not mistaken laroche is a good fielder

    • Mike Pop

      No that is definitely not the reason.

      • Manimal

        yeah i agree. Tex and Laroche are uncomparable. Tex is a beast with a bat and a glove. Laroche is good but just not the same.

        • Chip

          Just to add fuel to the fire, LaRoche’s most comparable player through age 28 is none other than Tino Martinez

          • Stephen

            Also, nest year’s free agents are terrrrrible.

          • Stephen

            Also, next year’s free agents are terrrrrible.

  • Manimal

    Meadowlands Weather+ Jacobs= Recipe for disaster. Run over foo’s.

  • Dirt

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....porti.html

    not a great track record…not awful though, what do you guys think?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      I pray they are wrong.

      • gg

        dislike the guy? think hes due for a big decline? really want tex?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Guys that only play hard when they want to get on my nerves. I don’t care if he can mash, he’s completely unreliable.

          • Chip

            I feel the exact same way but I’d rather the short commitment to Manny than the huge commitment to Tex who I don’t think is a whole lot better than Adam Dunn (a lot of their career numbers outside of BA are very very similar)

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              Three years isn’t that short of a short commitment. It takes him through age 39, and clogs up the DH spot for another three years.

              • Chip

                3 years is a hell of a lot shorter than 8. A lot of things can happen in 8 years. I’ll bet the Blue Jays wish they had thought of that with Vernon Wells

          • Reggie C.

            He’s as reliable as his career averages. Fair statement or no?

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              At age 36? No, not really.

              People are talking about Hideki Matsui being toast, and he’s only 34. And it’s not like he’s a crappy hitter either.

              • Reggie C.

                Well, you’d have to be pessimistic to think Manny couldn’t slug at least .570 next season. Mats isn’t in that category type of player.

                Well, its TBD as to what role Manny would assume with this ball club. I don’t think he’s a DH right now, and his signing could force somebody out of town.

                • Chip

                  But would you be surprised to see him fail to slug .550 in two years? I wouldn’t, not many guys can be an elite hitter past 36

                • Reggie C.

                  Manny has made it a point to work out at this Arizona institute with some of the best fitness pple in that industry. He’s putting the effort in to keep his body right. He’s not swinging a slow bat.

                  Nobody can guarantee 2 years from now. One year at a time bro! And right now, the outlook for a typical Manny season in ’09 looks good.

                • Chip

                  Yeah, 2009 looks pretty good as long as he’s healthy but you have to consider the entire contract. That’s also why this might not be too bad considering it’s only a three year.

            • Chip

              You’d hope so. Problem with guys his age is that they can fall off a cliff very quickly. McGwire, Sosa, Gonzalez, Fielder (the first), Vaughn and another great hitters (yeah yeah I know steroids, I get it) all went down quickly. Manny does have the fact that he’s a very good line drive hitter going for him though

  • Dirt

    According to MLBTR Yanks may be close with Manny, but the newspaper that reported it is kind sketchy sometimes, but its not like they’ve been wrong about everything…

    • Dirt

      OK so the first time I checked, my first comment didn’t show up, my bad.

      • Tooch

        oops, shoulda refreshed haha. anyway, there are more correct news breaks than incorrect news breaks according to mlbtr…

        • Dirt

          Ha! I win for checking MLBTR more compulsively than Tooch.

          • Tooch

            haha, that is impressive. i’ll have to create you some sort of medal or trophy, do you have a preference?

            • Dirt

              All I really need is one of those chocolates in the tin foil, in the shape of a trophy, I would be happy with that.

  • Tooch

    Wow, check out the story on MLBTR:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....porti.html

    According to some random ass paper, the Yanks signed Manny to a 3-year, $75M deal. MLBTR says they’ve been wrong in the past, but also note that they’ve been right in the past as well.

    Again, wow.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Hey, if it happens, holy fuckshitgoddamncocksuck.

      • Dirt

        I see that you’re ambivalent towards this move.

        • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

          Nah, I’ve been wavering between which is the better fit of Mark teixeira and Manny Ramirez, but not because I was fearful of Ramirez’s supposed cons, just who would bring the most value.

          I was never against the signing of Ramirez, just been contemplating if the signing of Teixeira would be better.

    • http://deleted Randy

      haha, its not a random paper. its just a dominican paper. they’re inaccuracies or accuracies are no different than any of the american papers. why does mlbtr need to give us a list? sorry, i don’t mean to make this a social issue, but i think that’s bullshit. i’m not directing this personally towards you tooch. i’m just replying to the general idea of it.

      anyway, i’m not sure i like manny for three years. why sign him now when there is a great chance you can drag this out and get him for cheaper if you really want him.

      • Reggie C.

        Well its a foreign newspaper for one, so if TD wants to lay out a recent track record its only to show that their sports coverage has credibility. TD has made it a real point to only post credible rumors/breaking news. This Dominican newspaper fulfills that criteria.

      • Tooch

        no offense taken randy, i was just re-posting what mlbtr said. and i agree with you, the list of inaccurate reports by legitimate american publications would be just as lengthy. oh well :-/

      • Dominik

        Well, I’ll say this: When I saw the name of the paper in the headline on MLBTR, my reaction was that “Who cares, they’re always wrong”. Given that, I was happy to see their actual track record, so it’s to his credit that he did that, because they have a bad reputation.

  • Reggie C.

    VIVA LA MANNY !!

  • Matt-LI

    If this happens to be true there are going to be 2 types of people…

    The ones standing on the bridge…

    The ones pushing them off…

  • Scott of 3 Kids Tickets

    No Manny for more than 2 years…ugggg
    Do we really need those kind of headaches? 2 starting pitchers, very needed. Manny, excess. While we could use a bat, we don’t need a Manny bat. It’s almost embarassing if true.

    -Scott

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Again, this feeling of an “embarrassment of riches” will quickly vanish once you personally witness the 60-70 games the 2009 Yankees will lose.

      • Chip

        It’s true, if they ran out a lineup with Youk, Veritek and Pedroia out there I still don’t think I could root against them. It’s going to be tough to start with but after Manny single-handedly wins a few games, most people will come around (unless he starts dogging it of course)

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          A-Rod singlehandedly wins a game once a week and plays his ass off every pitch, yet people still despise him.

          • Chip

            Lol good point. I forgot to add not hitting well in the postseason onto the dogging it point :)

      • Old Ranger

        60 would be ok, means we win 102 games.
        Sorry guys, if this signing is true…there must have been one hell of a lot big time pressure to make Cash sign this guy.
        I will admit to being one of the people saying NO to Manny…let me say for the record; “No fu– way do we need that guy!” But if true, I will support him as I would any other Yankee…I won’t like it but, he will still be a Yankee. So be it! 27/09.

  • Rich M

    great story about Phil Hughes

    http://zellspinstripeblog.com/.....age-board/

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    It’s not often I go to sleep and pray for the Yanks to not get a good player, but this will be the second time this offseason I’m going to do so, and the third time in the last two winters.

    • Mike Pop

      Who was the last besides AJ?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Johan.

        • Mike Pop

          Duh !

  • Ari

    Heyman is reporting that the Angels have withdrawn their offer to Tex. First, if Boston is really out of it does that leave only Baltimore, Washington, and the Yanks? And if that is the case shouldn’t the Yanks be able to get a deal done? And is anyone talking about collusion here, or is the market just really that bad? Or is Boras maybe overplaying his hand, trying to up offers by telling teams he has big offers he doesn’t have and instead chasing away the teams that are in for Tex.

    • A.D.

      Newsday reported that the Sox haven’t actually pulled their offer

  • Matt-LI

    Yea, its really pathetic how “fans” treat A-Rod… They really don’t appreciate that man’s effort and work ethic.

    • Chip

      Or the fact he might end up being among the top 5 hitters of all time

  • Mike

    If the Man-Ram rumor is true, I think fans will come around as soon as he starts dishing it out on Boston. He has a personality (albeit a crazy one) which is what Yankee fans look for (as opposed to A-Rod).

    • Mike

      Not to mention the fact he is going to relish the chance to beat up on Boston every opportunity he gets.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Why, because you say so? He pulled himself out of the lineup last year because he didn’t want to face Joba, and then there was the PH appearance against Mo when he didn’t even take the bat off his shoulders.

        For some reason people think Manny will stop doing stuff like that, and you can’t assume that at all.

        • Old Ranger

          Amen!

        • Chip

          BUT BUT BUT HE WAS SO GOOD FOR THE DODGERS!!!!!! Yeah, I’m afraid of the same thing