Jan
10
Nats inquire on Nady, Swisher
ByAdd the Jim Bowden to the list of GMs calling Brian Cashman. According to MLB.com’s Bill Ladson, the Yankees and Nationals are “currently in trade discussions” involving Xavier Nady and Nick Swisher. It’s unclear what the Nationals would offer the Yankees, and I still don’t think the Yanks should be in such a hurry to trade either of these two players. However, this is one rumor that might carry some weight. The Nationals need some pop, and the Yanks could be trying to clear payroll for one final pitching signing of the Hot Stove League. (Hat tip to MLBTR.)
Bowden and Cashman already matched up once on a trade. Maybe they can do it again.
Bring in Lastings!
this was something i was thinking about today.
prob have to trade Swisher over Nady, but get Milledge in return to play CF, or compete for CF, over Melky and Brett.
plus, if Milledge was to do well in the Bronx, just more salt to rub in the Mets fans’ wounds, which is always a bonus.
do the Gnats have any pitching that would be of interest? I know of Lannan, but dont know much about him.
Balester, Martis, Detwiler are all solid prospects (Balester saw significant time in the bigs last year) but the Yanks need position players first. Up-the-middle players are typically the most valuable; I would hate to see Swisher go without a centerfielder of shortstop/second baseman coming back.
Who the fuck would the Yankees want/get from the Nationals????
Would you take the gamble of possibly acquiring Elijah Dukes, if Bowden is a meathead?
Not really.
I would do Nady for Dukes. I said that earlier today…
I would.
No, Dukes, please!!!!!!!!!!. I’d like to see Cash hold on to both unless he’s blown away by a trade and I mean blown away.
Chris Marrero?? Michael Burgess? Destin Hood as PTBNL? Ross Detweiler?
how about milledge. would he be an improvement over gardner or melky in CF or is his 91 OPS+ not worth it
lastings millege is a bad defensive CF, they might as well play swish there
where is the evidence for this?
as a prospect, i thought Milledge was sold as a plus defender in CF, though i could be wrong.
according to thhe fielding bible, he’s not among the 10 best CFs or the 6 worst. somewhere in the middle
I can’t really think of someone to get from the Nats. Maybe Dukes. Milledge? I’ll pass. Still too early to trade Nady or Swisher but maybe teams just keep on calling the Yanks for those two.
If Bowden would be willing to trade a Dukes/Milledge package, I’d be all for it.
for who?
the bonus on trading a guy like Nady for a player like Milledge is that you are clearing what, like $5 million+ in payroll in the swap?
the money saved can then go into a pitcher still on the market to pitch or compete for the #5 slot, whether it be a Pettitte or Sheets or Pedro, etc, and you have another young, athletic OF in the organization for 2010 and beyond ready to go if Damon and Matsui both walk after 2009.
more options = more gooder.
Maybe they will just trade either for prospects and use the saved money on Derek Lowe????
Let Girardi manage this team. I think we have a great team with what we have. Last year’s team was unmanagable. We had no one useful on the bench. Swisher, Gardner/Melky, Cody Randsom, and Molina is a very formidable bench. And as we have all seen injuries can happen at any time, so depth is a good thing. I really like Aceves and would love to see him fill our 4 hole and give some quality innings.
If we do make a trade it better be for some quality position prospects to replenish our system and we’re not gonna get any if we seem at all desperate to make a move.
word
Dukes said he was going to kill his gf and her kids, had sex with a minor, has 5 kids with 4 different women and the list goes on. I would not want him on the Yankees, I don’t care if he’s got talent or not. I wanted to make a deal with the Nats, just not a big one. I’d rather got the clippard-Alba, Gonzo-nunez route.
Iight but people can change.
we’ve had yankees with problems in the past. We are not the Bengals, we can afford to take in a player with high upside and a troubled past.
We’re also the Yankees, we can afford players without those issues
Those are awful issues!! I think we can speculate better than that!
No one is denying that Dukes might have problems from the neck up. The Nationals actually hired a former police to follow him around during the season to make sure he stays out of trouble. Maybe the Yanks can do that and get results. I don’t think he had any incidents in 2008. That’s progress, I guess.
Not much they could offer up.. they wouldn’t give up prospects of any worth. They are not giving up Joel Hanrahan (which would be the first player i would ask for). Maybe they would give up either milledge or elijah dukes? read somewhere that those two are gonna battle it out for the CF spot, so they might be willing to deal one. Milledge would be an interesting addition to the CF battle. Not sure if either player is worth a headache. just keep swish and nady.
I don’t like anyone from the Nats. Milledge and Dukes might have the most talent but I can’t see their attitude playing well in NY at all.
I know Girardi runs a tight ship and all, but even so, it’d make me very nervous.
idk… i think Milledge got a bad rap while making his debut in the Mets organization.
since he’s been with DC, what has he really done to deserve the continued criticism or bad-teammate label?
how about their top pitching prospect, jordan zimmermann
that’s too much. zimmerman is close to the majors and he projects to be a #2 starter.
swisher/nady + kennedy not enough?
so is this the obligatory “+ Kennedy” trade proposal of the evening?
Adding IPK nets us almost anything.
Good point. Everyone thinks if you throw in kennedy it seals the deal. Let’s just trade nady,matsui and kennedy for rollins, hamels and howard and call it good!
never said it seals the deal, but kennedy does have some value, esp. for a team that would be willing to stick him at the back-end of the rotation and just let him pitch with low expectations. he’s never gonna get that in NY.
They have enough Zimmerman’s already.
What team ever won the World Series with two Zimmermans on the roster?
I rest my case.
okay, i’d have no problem taking their 3B either
@ anyone: Whom would you take for Nady? My thoughts are above:
http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-253913
Michael Burgess I guess. The Yanks were projected to pick that kid last year if I remember correctly. As much as I like Detwiler, that’s a bit of a reach I guess.
Michael Burgess.
I was looking at the Nats roster and now have an idea which players we should get. Enough of Dukes and Milledge. Here’s what the Yanks really need.
Xavier Nady/ Nick Swisher for Tyler Clippard, Alberto Gonzalez, and Wil Nieves. Heh.
We would have to give up more to get a package that good from the Nationals.
Word. If I were the Nats I’d require Joba for that.
Let’s give swisher an at bat first. He isn’t worth much now and by yankee standards he could be a bargain. I think he could be a gamer and be clutch ala brosius and martinez. Let’s see how he fits before we throw him away.
For you Mets haters, go to MLB Network, the 9th inning of Game 7 of the 2006 NLCS is coming up.
ahhhhh i love tht
You Delhome is having an awful game.
That’s putting it mildly.
E-ROC, who do you want to see win tomorrow? I assume you would rather face the Chargers than the Steelers.
Also Larry Fitz is the best WR in the NFL.
I’d like the idea of moving both out and effectively consolidating the position with Adam Dunn if we could sign him for 3yrs for 12mil per.
Would be a little of a downgrade on defense but having a guy that averages 40HRs a year with career .247 /.381 /.518 you think you would want to make that move if the price is right and this off season with all the corners out there they are going cheap.
supposedly the nats inquired about both swisher and nady. if we send both of them off to washington for prospects (burgess + detwiler maybe), don’t be shocked if we get in on manny
i would love for tht if the outcome was manny, but its probablly for another pitcher like lowe, or theyll just give pettite 16
if we dealt 2 bats, we’d have to get another bat back
yea in the trade, or we just use another minor leaguer, trust me manny isnt gonna happen, too much money needed
other than miranda maybe, we don’t have ready bats in the minors. and manny wouldn’t cost much more than nady + swisher
well now that i look at it your right, it would cost about 10 mill more which they could use if they dont sign pettitte
really wouldn’t shock me
unless you plan on signing a bat via FA.
that’s what i was saying, get rid of both swish and nady, we get in on manny
i dont disagree with your idea, but at this point, i think we can all reasonably rule out Manny, whether Nady, Swisher, or Nady AND Swisher are traded off the roster before spring training.
but if both nady and swisher go, we would have to get another bat. lineup would be too weak
thats why that would never happen.
bu why would you “reasonably rule out manny”?
because the Yankees arent signing Manny.
okay. whatever you say
you can be dismissive if you want, and count me into the column of people who want to see Manny in pinstripes as the DH, but for a second be a little realistic.
wasn’t being dismissive. asked a question why we should rule out manny. haven’t gotten an answer yet.
because the yankees arent signing another OF/DH type to a $20 million/year contract?
because Manny has never been in the good graces of Cashman and Girardi in general?
that’s an answer
Oh your a genius! A modern day Nostradamus!
problem?
Whats the risk of trading Nady/Swisher for Elijah Dukes? He’d only be on the bench and he could eventually take a starting job with the talent that hes got
Elijah Dukes can start in center.
Yea if he isn’t in jail.
True. I don’t think he’ll go to jail anymore. Dukes has mouths to feed.
I read an article that made Dukes seem as though he were in the process of growing up and recognizing his own shortcomings. If his head were even somewhat on straight, then he would be an enormous acquisition–the sort of young, athletic, five-tool outfielder that the Yankees need. I don’t think Nady along would get him, but, if the Nats would make that deal, then I would hope that Cashman jumps at it.
http://washington.nationals.ml.....p;c_id=was
Agreed, I would deal Nady for Dukes real quick. I just don’t understand why the Nats would want Nady. They are not contending next year, it just does not make any sense. I have trouble believing these rumors of Pittsburgh and now Washington. It just doesn’t make sense for these two teams to be inquiring on Nady.
dukes is a risk in and of himself
Don’t ya luv the looks of met fans after the Molina homer.
On a side/meaningless note. Have you seen the players who are being considered for Team USA since so many of them are declining invitations?? Amazing how all the guys who play for the Dominican and Puerto Rico are dieing to play but the Americans for the most part could give a crap.
Its a shame because the WBC has alot of potential to be a great event. I still say it should be played in November.
Unless the Yanks can get a player that is really good, by that I mean; Young, athletic position player…not, a DH type or trouble hunting guy. I favor players such as Baldelli, Crawford etc., the chance of us getting one of those guys is………..0!
Keep what we have and forget more pitchers…we have a ton of them. Give them a chance to show they are worth something
I so completely agree with you. The Yankees should let the kids show what they got. Yeah, they had a bad year last year, so what? Most young players in particulare pitchers struggle their first year or two in the Ml but still need a chance to prover themselves. Also, unless the Yankees get an offer that blows them away I would hold on to both Swisher/Nada because both Matsui and Damon are big injury risks plus we still don’t know what we are going to get from Posada.
Swisher is not a bench player.He can still hit 30 homeruns and 90 rbi’s.He might not hit a 300 average like overrated Jeter but he can still hit better then some Yankee players and is healthy.
No need for a $8 million bench player.
+1 man, hearing that helped ease my fear that he will be traded or benched.
I didn’t understand why you had to throw in “overrated Jeter” but I guess you felt it was necessary.
Sorry that jeter has four rings. He must suck. He may be in decline but let’s not forget what he meant to those championship teams. Do us all a favor and don’t speak until spoken to.
i sincerely hope the yankees are smart and realize how undervalued nick swisher is. i realllllyyyy want to see him get a shot with the team rather than be traded away for a player like dukes or milledge. swisher > both of those guys and has an even better head on his shoulders.
too much depth is NEVER a bad thing.
I usually don’t like the ‘better head on his shoulders’ argument but in this case when you are talking about fools like Milledge and Dukes I have to agree with you. Plus I really like Swisher because he is undervalued and hope that if we trade someone it is Nady and not Swisher. Swisher also plays a better right field.
i sincerely hope the yankees are smart and realize how undervalued nick swisher is.
uhh, they just traded for him. i think they are aware of it.
You know whats funny of Beltran K’ing on the curve, was that before that pitch, Wainwright just threw a curveball.
yea that was Wainwright’s out pitch the entire postseason. I watched that game with some serious Mets fans and one of them called that Beltran would strikeout looking at a curve.
you no wut else is funny about it? is that, is the guy everyone jumps on the yankees for not signning. Now If he was on the Yankees and he struck out looking in a big game he would b called non clutch, sucks in the playoffs, and is going out with a girl twice his age named madonna
Not to mention on only 3 pitches. WITH, the bases loaded.
Looking for an 0-2 fastball. He looked like he saw a ghost once the ball started a break.
in fairness, it was a pretty ridiculous pitch.
Best team in the NBA is…………..?
knicks
Cavs
I might just say……………IDK
I still say Boston even after that massive pounding last night.
Nuggets! Just kidding…I like the Cavs and Lakers and maybe Boston.
Like most of you, I would also like to keep both Nady and Swisher unless its an offer that cannot be turned down no matter what. An offer like that could include on of their top 10 prospects.
1. Jordan Zimmermann, RHP
2. Ross Detwiler, LHP
3. Chris Marrero, 1b
4. Michael Burgess, OF
5. Jack McGeary, LHP
6. Derek Norris, C
7. Destin Hood, OF
8. Adrian Nieto, C
9. J.P. Ramirez, OF
10. Esmailyn Gonzalez, SS
I would really like to know more about the Nats prospects. They have some C prospects in that list. Really would like to know if they are close to the majors.
i would do Nady for Milledge.
no thanks on Dukes.
and can we please not lump Milledge and Dukes together? Milledge got in some trouble when he was a kid, since then his biggest crime is liking rap music and high fiving some fans.
Dukes is a legitimate nutjob.
Dukes is also a better player.
Dukes OPS+ was 125 with a .386 OBP which was 122 pts higher than his batting avg. compared to Milledge who’s OPS+ was 91 and his OBP was .330.
duke + nyc = big trouble
i understand that. Dukes is immensely talented. i was at game 2 of the 2007 season, and Dukes hit a HR off Proctor that probably never got 20 feet off the ground from his bat to the seats. just an absolute laser.
but the guy is someone i would have trouble rooting for.
I believe he also hit a HR on opening day that season as well. Of course hitting a laser off of Proctor isnt that difficult to do….
good point.
I proposed this the other day during the live chat and it got shot down: a package of Nady and a combo of Kennedy/Veras/Ramirez to the Nats for John Lannan and Willie Harris. Listen the Nats are not going to give away Milledge for a player one year before he is a free agent. I think this package makes sense. Harris can play all three outfield postions, plus 2nd, ss, 3rd. Lannan is a young lefty but a back of the rotation starter. He pitch 182 innings and had similiar stats with Andy.
Listen the Nats are not going to give away Milledge for a player one year before he is a free agent.
i would probably agree with this. on the other hand it doesn’t have to be one for one.
Not to mention Willie Harris was clutch in the World Series with the white sox
So was Scott Podsednik
We need that kind of clutchiness.
I really wonder what the Yankees have up their sleeve? Could it really be Manny? If they give Swisher and Nady to Washington, it may happen. I hope not, I can’t stand Manny.
i’ve been saying all nite, it wouldn’t shock me
I would be shocked by that kind of move.
I am thoroughly anti-Manny, and I don’t want him here. But here is a jolt of reality. If they would trade ONE of those two guys, it is no big deal. But if they are both traded, for prospects, then it is happening.
Lets say Manny went to Texas. Do they win that division. I think so, that lineup would score 1000 runs or more I would think. Maybe some of their young pitchers comes up. If they gave up like 5 runs a game they would still get in lol.
i dont think he would accept the offer though because he would have to cut his hair and shave, imagine that! manny clean!
i would love to see manny in da bronx hes fucking clutch and we need that bat in are lineup
forget the clutch imagine the grit! no but really i always have liked manny bwcause of his antics is kinda funny, and if his bat was in the yankees lineup i would order the rings
You won’t get Milledge, and Dukes in NYC would not be wise because of the media pressure. You might get a reliever and a lower level prospect, but it won’t be a top 10 prospect for Swisher or Nady. I don’t know if Nat management would give Hanrahan for one year of Nady, but they might do it for the longer contract of Swisher. Just a guess though. The Nats also have a couple of terrific fielding CF prospects in Bernadina and Maxwell. No way you get Burgess, Hood, Marerro, etc… those guys are the future. You get top prospects in trade from contenders, not builders.
So in short. You don’t make a trade.
just a question do you think matsui would waive his no trade clause? if so for who? i think he might because of the whole japanese respect thing?
Are you retarded?
Please this manny talk has to stop…..1st I don’t think BOTH Swisher and Nady are going to be moved. The Yankees are not going to get a 37 year old Lelf Fielder….Where is Damon going to play? Cashman does not want him inCF Manny 4 years ago would have been great…I believe Manny was playing for a contract last year….Do you want him in the lockerroom….Cash I beileve really want to lower the payrole and and losing Nady and Andy would be around a 17 millon savings and that money is not going to Manny
Manny + Dukes in the locker room, no way anything goes wrong
Manny is an ortiz dh in the al The only reason he played the field in boston was because of ortiz. The only way we get him is if we unload matsui. Don’t hold your breath.
why dont we ask for aaron boone?
boone signed with houston. his “clutchiness” factor is rather high, though.
I like the Jack McGeary and Michael Burgess ideas, but I don’t think the Nats would not part with them. That would go against their philosophy of draft and hold, building brick by brick.
I think the Reds match up better. Or pray Nady is a Type A after the season.
Nady+Hughes+__
For
Chris Marrero
Swisher, Jackson, Marrero -future OF.
Make it happen.
Who would trade your former #1 Prospect, 22 years old, possibly on the verge of a breakout season in the rotation, AND your starting RF for the 3rd best prospect in the worst minor league system in the MLB?
Ben K. said it in this post… the Yanks are going to clear payroll, what they get back is less relevant than their motive IMO. They want to get another pitcher (see Lowe). Dialog may already have taken place between Lowe, Sheets or Perez contingent on one of these guys being moved… it wouldn’t shock me. IDK, just thinking out loud.