Open Thread: Continuing the Torre story

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What I love about the nightly open thread is that we can write about basically anything. If you find it boring, irrelevant, or overdone, you can just skip over the post and dive into the comments. If you want to use the post as a jumping off point you can, but there’s certainly no obligation to do so.

Why did I open like this? Because I saved up some articles relating to the Joe Torre book, and I figured I’d dump them on you in the open thread, rather than litter your day with them. I know a lot of people are sick of the topic. Even for those who aren’t, it’s a tough topic to navigate because so few of us, if any of us, have read the book. We’re going on reactions. But they can be fun too, right?

First up is Ken Davidoff. He wrote about Brian Cashman‘s relationship with Joe Torre following the 2005 season. Yet before he gets into that, he says something about A-Rod which I think is worth repeating:

And as Tyler [Kepner] points out, if Mariano Rivera had just picked up the save in 2004 ALCS Game 4, then Alex Rodriguez would’ve been riding a monster first two rounds into the World Series, and we wouldn’t be standing here today, dissecting A-Rod the way we do.

Of course, this isn’t blaming Mo, just like “if he hadn’t thrown the ball into center field we would have won the 2001 series” isn’t blaming Mo. It does bring up an interesting point, though. People also kill A-Rod for striking out with a man on third and less than two outs in the game, and then dismiss his early home run. This I will never understand. Sans the home run, Mo doesn’t have a lead to blow.

Next up, and also relating to A-Rod, is a statement by Brian Cashman. Bryan Hoch brings it to us.

“I think we’ve gone through so much of the Alex stuff that, you know, if anything, maybe this brings people closer together,” Cashman said on Monday during a conference call to announce Andy Pettitte‘s one-year contract.

I’m not so sure this will bring anyone closer together. Cashman does have a point, though: the team has been through all this. They’ve dealt with A-Rod for five years now. I doubt anything Torre makes public in the book will change how the guys on the team view him now.

Finally, Jack Curry has some quotes from Torre on the book. The former Yanks’ skipper made it clear that he never used the word “betrayal,” despite every tabloid in the city saying so. He also had a comment on A-Rod: “I don’t think I said anything about A-Rod that I didn’t say already.” Yeah, that you didn’t already say to Tom Verducci. Thankfully, it appears A-Rod is taking this all in stride.

This is your open thread for the evening. The Knicks and the Nets are off tonight, the Hurricanes are in the Garden, and the Devils are in Ottawa.

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  • The Evil Empire

    Hot Stove MLB Network: Joba in the pen by the end of this year? … ?

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      I brought this up last night. Its almost inevitable that he will wind up in the bullpen in the playoffs, if not before then. 2 reasons

      -Even if you skip him once a month, he’ll still log roughly 150 IP by the end of the year, which most believe to be his limit this year.

      -When you look at the likely post season rotation, he probably doesn’t get a start anyway. CC, AJ and Wang are just about locks, and you usually don’t need a 4th starter. Even if you do need one, Andy could still get the nod if the opponent is susceptible to lefties.

      The only way I see him starting in the post season (assuming we get there) is if he spends a month on the DL earlier in the year, and someone else is hurt heading into October. I don’t see them giving him another 25-30 innings in the post season if they have another good option, and assuming Andy has a good year he’s a good option.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        … or they just shut him down in early September and call it a year.

        There’s that possibility too.

        • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

          Even if they’re in the playoffs? That would be one hell of a waste of a great arm.

          I know the Joba-Bullpen/Joba-starter thing has unfortunately become contentious, but the Yanks can’t concern themselves with those things. They have to use whatever they have to win games, especially in the playoffs. Another 10 innings spread out over a month won’t kill him, but acting as a ‘relief ace’, he could be a huge difference maker.

          That’s the best argument the pro-bullpen guys have, that Joba can affect the outcome of more games by being used as a true fireman (or relief ace). Not just in the 8th inning, but anywhere the game is potentially on the line. He could be one hell of a weapon.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Another 10 innings spread out over a month won’t kill him

            … we hope.

            • Ryan S.

              Assuming Joba logs in 140-150 innings in the regular season but is managed correctly and is feeling good, I don’t see there being much risk in letting him be the 4th starter (as much as I love him, Andy can be the long middle reliever)- that’s only about 12 innings extra assuming he starts twice. If the bullpen is doing good and someone like Bruney or Veras legitimately earns that 8th inning role during the regular season, I think that’s how Joba would be best used. If that ever illusive “bridge to Mo” isn’t effective during the regular season though, it might be worth bring Joba back to the ‘pen one last time. Regardless, if Joba is healthy and has some gas in the tank for October, why not take advantage of one of best arms in baseball?

              • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

                “that’s only about 12 innings”

                They didn’t get past the ALCS?

                • Mike Pop

                  12 innings too much!!!!!

                • Ryan S.

                  Oh I’m guessing he gets skipped over in the wild card round.

    • celerinosanchez

      Torre is looking like a real whore. Yanks paid him a lot more than other managers and put up with his playoff losses for many years before bidding him goodbye. He presided over the greatest collapse in playoff history. After he lost the pushbutton bullpen of mendoza, stanton, nelson and rivera, he was exposed as an absolute butcher when it came to the end of the game. Show me the games the Yanks won because of his managerial genius. Wasn’t it his job to get the best out of his team (including A-Rod)? Or maybe his job was to rest on his laurels, drink green tea, and make the stinky foot face. Sorry about the rant, but this really rubs me the wrong way. The new Joe (Girardi) won 89 games after losing 3/5 of his rotation. I think we’re in better hands.

      • Sweet Lou

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

        You can also add the failure of Torre/Stottlemyre not calling a pitch out when Dave Roberts is leading off first in Carl Lewis track position.

        Also, the fact that John Olerud got hurt during the Red Sox series – it hurt them badly but obviously it was not Torre’s fault.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3863517

    A person close to Rodriguez told the Daily News that Rodriguez wasn’t concerned with how he is portrayed in the book, set to be released Feb. 3.

    “He laughed at the stuff because he is so beyond all of that,” the person said, according to the report. “Personally he feels like he’s in a great space in his life and felt very comfortable last year in the clubhouse and with his relationship with his teammates.”

    According to the report, a person close to Rodriguez said A-Rod “doesn’t feel like he had any real relationship with [Torre],” and thus isn’t hurt by anything Torre might have said or written about him in “The Yankee Years.”…

    While Rodriguez cared more about what people said and thought of him when he arrived in New York in 2004, he doesn’t worry about it as much anymore, a person close to him told the newspaper.

    “He says he got the Jeter stuff out of his system when he had that press conference [at the start of spring training] a couple of years ago,” one person said, according to the report. “He came to grips with the idea that Jeter didn’t want to be his friend again the way they were years ago, and he stopped worrying about it.

    “He’s heard the A-Fraud stuff, and he has admitted he tried too hard to make everyone like him when he came over to the Yankees,” the person said, according to the report. “But since then he has become more at ease in the clubhouse, and he believes he is more accepted as one of the guys. He has taken the young Latin guys like Melky [Cabrera] and [Robinson] Cano under his wing and they really look up to him. He believes things are a lot different now.”

    2009 ARod = Mashtastic .320/.415/.660

    I can SMELL IT, bro.

    • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

      I can SMELL IT, bro.

      My bad. :D

    • kane

      So why can’t A-Rod laugh off all the boo’s and taunts during the postseason and play well for once.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        He will. He’s an oversensitive ninny, but I have a feeling a lot of his hypersensitive ticks will fade this year. He’s been here a while, he’s getting comfortable, he knows the city and the team and the press, and a lot of the guys who would fuck with him (like apparently St. Joe) are gone.

        I sense his comfort level increasing and his production improving. Just a hunch.

        • Mike Pop

          LAst year without Torre, he just constantly mashed while healthy. He is going to have a big big season.

      • A.D.

        We dunno when he’s shaken it off, he took Melk under his wing last off season/ lost year….maybe he would have raked in the ’08 playoffs

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      “I can SMELL IT, bro.”

      Ewww.

    • Ryan S.

      Triple Crown!

  • Joey

    So any snap judgments about MLB Front Office Manager yet?

    • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

      Tomorrow.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Awesome. Do not bother getting it if you are on the fence, though; it won’t be for you.

      • Rafi

        I’m only on the fence because of the price. Do you think it’s worth $40(I think)?

        • Lanny

          Video games are for geeks.

          • Mike Pop

            Not the N64, that was for real men. 1080 and Mario Kart!!

  • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

    Anybody here watch Fringe?

    • Kilgore Trout

      I watch it. Can’t tell if it’s any good yet though.

      • Arin

        The stories are intriguing, but the acting in is subpar.

        • Kilgore Trout

          I’d agree with that.

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          “…but the acting in is subpar.”

          Fucking Pacey is in the show. Of course the acting is sub-par.

          And again, Kilgore, amazing user name.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            HOLY SHIT, YOU’RE THE DAWSON!!!!!!

            • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

              Everywhere I go it’s never “Oh man, I loved you in Boys and Girls! Or, hey, you were great in loser!” It always goes back to that fuckin’ pie!

              Dude, you stuck your dick in a pie…

              • Mike Pop

                Yo lunchbox, hurry it up.

                • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                  Would like some making fuck? BERSERKER!

                • Mike Pop

                  Heh,

                  In a world gone mad, we will not spank the monkey, but the monkey will spank us.

                  Not on my watch, motherfu*ker!

                • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                  Listen, not a year goes by, not a year, that I don’t hear about some escalator accident involving some bastard kid which could have easily been avoided had some parent – I don’t care which one – but some parent conditioned him to fear and respect that escalator.

                • Mike Pop

                  Shithead here watched Empire and Jedi last week and ever since then, he’s been trying to do the Jedi mind trick. The crazy fuck thinks he can levitate shit with his thoughts.

                • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                  Cute cat. What’s his name?

                  Annoying customer.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      The woman made me sit through an episode. I just forgave her the other day. John Noble is the only thing remotely interesting about the show.

      Oh, and Joshua Jackson sucks.

  • ????

    MLB 2K9 versus MLB 09 the show…who wins, by how much? Explain…

    • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

      MLB 09 the show wins by alot in my book. If you have a ps3, go with The show, if you have a 360 go with MLB 2k9, if you have a wii… keep playing wii sports.

      • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal
        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

          Always liked the 2K series far better than The Show. I mean, you still hit X to swing in The Show! (Or at least you still did in 08.) The joystick method is so much better.

          • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

            I could see where you coming from, but the 2k series is VERY glitchy and graphically it isn’t where The show is. I think we can all agree that the MVP series was the best but 2k just HAD to buy the rights to mlb.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

              You know what I think it was? The transition to the next-gen consoles. MLB 2K6 was superb. The glitches were minimal, and it was a genuinely fun game to play. Then they migrated to PS3/XBox, and I agree, I haven’t been as satisfied with the game since.

              Still, I hate just hitting X to swing the bat.

              • Arin

                You have to love the Road to the Show mode, though. That easily makes MLB franchise the winner. Although, if EA released another game, I’d switch over again immediately.

              • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                You’re an idiot, The Show is to MLB 2K as Jorge Posada is to Jason Varitek: yeah, they’re both switch-hitting catchers; yeah, they are both aged catchers; but they are worlds apart.

                Oh, Led Zeppelin is fucking sick. The “Physical Graffiti” album is nuts.

                • Arin

                  I was referring to “The Show,” by the way. I can’t stand the 2k series and completely agree with everything you just said.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

                  Okay, Jamal. You continue tapping your precious X button to swing. I’ll continue taking a step and then swinging. You know, like real baseball players do. NERD!

                  And of course Zeppelin is sick. Houses of the Holy is my fave (the album, though the song, which is on Physical Graffiti, rocks as well). Front to back, every song gets at least a 75 on the 80-20 scale.

                • Mike Pop

                  You into Hendrix?

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

                  You mean the greatest guitar player every to run his fingers up and down a fretboard? Hells yes. Aerosmith might have influenced me to pick up a guitar, but Jimi made me fall in love with it.

                • Mike Pop

                  Dude, listening to Jimi is just…amazing. I listen to it and when it is all said and done, I just sit back and say “Wow”.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

                  Totally. He’s the greatest because he has all three aspects of musicianship down like none other:

                  Pure skills with the axe
                  Songwriting chops
                  Innovation

                • Mike Pop

                  Favorite song?

                  I love Fire but it obviously is not his best. Ugh, so many it’s hard to decide.

                  All along the Watchtower
                  Purple Haze
                  Voodoo Child
                  If 6 was 9
                  Hey Joe
                  Are you Experienced?
                  Highway Chile
                  Fire

                  Just pure amazing

                • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                  Heh, sorry Arin, I was talking to Joe.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

                  I mean, come on. Can my favorite Jimi song be anything other than Hey Joe?

                  Heeeeey Joe, where you gonna run to now? Where you gonna go?

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

                  Mike, do you play?

                • Mike Pop

                  Na bro, would love to learn but I just never got into it. I respect musicians on a high level though, no doubt. Jimi really got me into that kind of music. I can listen for hours. I’m actually watching a documentary DVD I have on him now. Show performances, interviews, and all. Just amazing.

    • ????

      Thanks for the responses. I have been considering buying a ps3 for some other features and games, is The Show a strong selling point?

      • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

        Bluray and its exclusives are the only selling points. If you like MGS 4, Resistance, Killzone 2, Uncharted, The show, ect get a ps3. If you like Halo, Gears of War, ect get a 360.

      • Kilgore Trout

        Warning: Madden is unplayable on the PS3.

        • A.D.

          why is that?

          • Lanny

            Yea, video games are really for geeks.

            • Mike Pop

              Not the N64, that was for real men. Mario Kart and 1080!!

          • Kilgore Trout

            Madden is designed for xbox360 and then converted to play on a ps3. On the 08 version there are dead buttons on the ps3 controller and you can’t change the controller setup. 08 on PS2 is unreal too, i was shocked how horrible it was on ps3. Graphics were suspect, everything so shiney, and most passes are picked off.

            • A.D.

              weird, since college football for PS3 works great.

              • Kilgore Trout

                08 or 09?

            • Drew

              Lol I have no idea what he’s talking about. Maybe if u play better the passes won’t be picked off. lol But if you get a ps3, you must try NHL 09. It is addicting.

  • Mike Pop

    Heh, they just called Joba and CC fat.

    • The Evil Empire

      haha they ate together, “we can put a lot of food together”

    • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

      hahaha -2 ERA. Stupid Joba. Only YOU can have a negative ERA.

    • ????

      Did you notice that Joba said, “I need to get 30 starts, try to get 200 innings.” I thought he had an innings cap?

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Joba doesn’t get an innings cap. An innings cap gets Joba.

        • ????

          Lol, but in all seriousness is there any way the Yankees would let Joba pitch 200 innings?

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            No.

            • Chris

              Look what the brilliant Red Sox did with their stud pitcher Lester…

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Jon Lester = ticking time bomb

                • radnom

                  “Jon Lester = ticking time bomb”

                  All those innings are going to give him cancer.

      • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

        That’s what he wants to do but Girardi and Cash wont allow that to happen. He could get 200 if they go to the playoffs and he pitches a lot there.

        • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

          . . . and they’re right to do so. People may forget, but he’s still only 23 years old. Maybe next year you can take the training wheels off, but his arm is too valuable

          When was the last time the Yanks had a Joba-like arm that came up through their farm system on the team? Guidry? Al Leiter?

          Point being, when you hit Lotto, don’t throw away the ticket.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Counterpoint: When you hit lotto, you don’t leave the ticket in your jeans pocket and accidentally throw it in the washing machine.

            You guard it in your safe to keep from accidentally ripping it to shreds.

            • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

              No, you can leave it in your jeans as long as they’re not whites and you don’t use bleach. Even a washed out ticket will still be readable.

              Plus, the guy at the convenience store where you bought it has another copy.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                What if the machine malfunctions and floods and the ticket is saturated with water? What if the convenience store is struck by lightning and goes up in flames?

                Risks I’m not willing to take with my winning lotto ticket.

                Sorry.

                • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

                  Would you rather have Joba wash your clothes by hand, using his right arm? Huh?

                • Joey

                  As long as he stays away from snowblowers! (I’m a huge Joe Sakic fan…)

            • Mike Pop

              I lost 10 bucks the other day on a win 1000 a week for life by doing that. (Sigh)

              • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

                You have a car? Wash it yourself and you just got it back.

            • bicsharpie

              I thought that you were supposed to trade it for Victor Zambrano.
              Oops.

  • Ken

    Michael Kay has been repeating the last two years how Joe Torre does not like him. I wonder why? Kay claims he does not know why Torre hates him. I wonder what the real reason is? Kay is two faced phony, he rips the Yankees players, manager, GM, and owners on his radio show but when he is on Yes, he does not continue his criticisms, he will not say anything negative about the Yankee organization.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      I read that Torre felt that Kay was one of the Yankees’ minions that asked deliberately uncomfortable questions of Torre.

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        Yep, that’s what I’ve heard as well.

        It just goes to show the Yanks were a house divided under Torre in the later years (2003 on). You were either pro-Torre or pro-management. You had to pick a side, and that kind of dissension is unhealthy in any business. Everyone needs to be pulling in the same direction, not pulling against each other.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        *Joe Torre and Don Zimmer are on the phone. Joe is recalling his first date with Michael Kay*

        Don: Hey
        Joe: Hello.
        Don: So?
        Joe: What?
        Don: Come on. How was your date?
        Joe: Oh, the date. The date.
        Don: Yea, how was it?
        Joe: Interesting.
        Don: Really?
        Joe: Oh yea.
        Don: Why what happened?
        Joe: Let’s see…how shall I put this?
        Don: Just put it.
        Joe: He took it out.
        Don: He what?
        Joe: He took (blows on glasses) it out.
        Don: He took what out?
        Joe: It.
        Don: He took It, out?
        Joe: Yessiree Bob.

    • steve (different one)

      Kay is two faced phony, he rips the Yankees players, manager, GM, and owners on his radio show but when he is on Yes, he does not continue his criticisms, he will not say anything negative about the Yankee organization

      as opposed to Torre, who rips Yankee players, GM, and owners in his book, but now that the reaction has been negative, has backpedaled while hiding behind a “third person narrative”.

      Kay is a douche, no question.

      but i am a lot more prone to believe that Torre is petty and apt to hold grudges than i was 3 days ago.

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      “Kay is two faced phony, he rips the Yankees players, manager, GM, and owners on his radio show but when he is on Yes, he does not continue his criticisms, he will not say anything negative about the Yankee organization.”

      That’s just silly. They’re two totally different jobs. Talk radio is about being provacative, getting people’s attention. Its all about one man’s opinions and the audience’s reaction to them.

      The lead announcer of Yankee broadcasts is there to introduce the game, describe the game, and offer some analysis. TV announcers get in the way of the game if they talk too much or inject too much opinion. Its not about them, its about the game.

      Totally different jobs.

  • Mike Pop

    Heh, Joe Magrane already.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Here’s one about Kevin Brown: http://weblogs.newsday.com/spo.....nkees.html

    Later, Torre tells of a 2005 game against the Devil Rays in which Brown stormed off the field down 6-0 after one inning, and later was found by the manager, shirtless and “curled up on the floor in a tiny crevice in the corner of a storage area in the back of the clubhouse.”

    “What are you doing?” Torre said.

    “I’m not going to go out there and pitch anymore,” Brown said.

    “What are you going to do?”

    “I’m going to go home.”

    “You might as well go home,” Torre told him, but warned him that if he quit at that point he was through with the team.

    Brown put his jersey back on, returned to the mound and threw four more innings.

    Jesus, Joe, did you really have to out the dude like that? God damn…

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Joe Torre = Chico Escuela

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Jane Curtin: And, an embarrassing note: 19-year-old Anita Dark of St. Petersburg, Florida, filed a paternity suit this week, and has claimed that the father is Weekend Update Sportscaster Chico Escuela. Ms. Dark alleged that she became intimate with Mr. Escuela last Spring, when Chico was in Florida attempting a comeback with the New York Mets. On advice from his lawyer, Chico can’t comment on Anita Dark, but he is here this week to tell us about sports. Welcome home, Chico!

        Chico Escuela: Thank you, Hane. Basebal bin berra berra good to me. Anita Dark bin berra berra good to me.. but Chico can’t talk about it. In sports, Charles White won the.. how do you say.. Heisman Trophy. Now, look at this run. Charles White is the best football player. He runs with authority. Chico run from authority.. but I can’t talk about it.

        Uh.. Darrell Dawkins does it agian. Look at this. [ show video of slam dunk that shatters the glass backboard ] He break the glass! He break it! Why do they use glass? The backboard should be stronger! Should use cement.. or steel.. or iron. Not rubber! Rubber break! But I can’t talk about it. Back to you, Hane.

        *Laughs out loud*

    • Mike Pop

      Can’t believe Torre said that about Brown. Sellout.

    • Chris

      Heh… that game must have been Cano’s debut:

      http://www.baseball-reference......5030.shtml

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      Brown, huh?

      Guessed right on that one. (pats self on back)

      BTW-Yes, Torre’s a douche bag for outing him. I think we all know that by now.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

    So there’s an SI writer, female, named S.E. Cupp:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

    There has to be a month’s worth of jokes in that name, right?

    • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

      haha brasizeowned

  • Thomas

    Random non-baseball related question. If you had to go to a concert where the lead act is Fall Out Boy or Limp Bizkit, who would you rather see? I realize both suck horribly, but you have to go see one.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      Unfortunately, I have to go with that douche Fred Durst. I caught them right after 3 Dolla Bill was released, and they put on a decent show. Plus, there were like 3 or 4 songs I liked on that first album. More than I can say for FOB.

      • Mike Pop

        Limp Bizkit easily.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        Well, I’d choose FOB every time because I’m always going to be an FOB fan boy (despite not hearing a single track off their newest album). “Take This to Your Grave” will always be one of the most meaningful albums of my life to me.

    • steve (different one)

      i would simply pluck my eyes out with a spoon.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Stab my eardrums with pencils.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

        Unfortunately, that would not stanch the flow of blood from your ears.

      • Thomas

        i would simply pluck my eyes out with a spoon

        You do realize you would still hear the bands? (Unless your already deaf)

        • steve (different one)

          oh, i love those bands.

          i just hate seeing things.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            (nice save)

          • Thomas

            Hysterical.

            • Mike Pop

              That was quite impressive.

  • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

    http://blog.us.playstation.com.....ancements/

    Enhancements made to Road to the Show

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      I’m definitely getting ’09 for PS2 now. 40 man roster, arbitration, options, etc….sweet.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Here’s instance number two of Joe Torre being a hypcrite (the first one was him bitching to ARod about ordering club attendants to get coffee when Torre did the same – only he ordered them to get his signature green tea): http://tinyurl.com/cvzt4q

    But he has gone beyond his own code of conduct with his book. In spring 2003, David Wells and a ghostwriter published a book, “Perfect I’m Not: Boomer on Beer, Brawls, Backaches and Baseball,” and Torre was furious, angry that Wells had aired some of the Yankees’ dirty laundry in the pages. Wells tried to distance himself from some of the words in the book, saying they belonged to the writer, but the Yankees’ manager would not accept that. After a meeting with the pitcher, Torre said this to reporters:

    “We talked to him about a lot of things today. I just sensed he was bothered by it. Not by what we said, but by how it came out. How much of it is actually what he said and how much isn’t exactly what he said, I don’t know.

    “But there’s no question: It has his name on it, and he has to be accountable for it.”

    Torre, Cashman and George Steinbrenner held Wells accountable — in the end, he was fined $100,000 by the organization.

    Now it is Torre’s responsibility to be fully accountable for the words in the book that has his name on it, and he must stand behind those words.

    If he hides behind Verducci and the suggestion that the ugly anecdotes aren’t his, the explanation will have echoes of “I didn’t knowingly take steroids.” If he embraces the words as his own, he also should acknowledge he has been, at the very least, extraordinarily hypocritical.

    Just keep on looking like a douche, Torre, we still have sixty-nine days ’till Opening Day to talk about this.

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      Nice work Jamal, but you should have highlighted this as well

      “Wells tried to distance himself from some of the words in the book, saying they belonged to the writer, but the Yankees’ manager would not accept that.”

      . . . because that’s exactly what Joe-bag has been telling everyone for the past 3 days. It’s a ‘3rd person narrative’.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Ah, good eye. It’s just that those two lines kinda pissed me off, I didn’t bother double-checking the ponce (as evidence by the misspelling of “hypocrite”).

        • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

          Lets be real, this entire Torre situation is so loaded with hypocrisy if you wanted to point out all of it, you would spend all day.

        • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

          How the fuck did I end up typing “ponce” when I wanted to type “post”? What the frig?

    • steve (different one)

      here’s my question:

      A-Rod makes $27M a year.

      why the f*ck would he get his own coffee?

      would you?

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        For 27M a year, I’d have a guy to fly to Colombia anytime I wanted coffee.

        • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

          A coffee mule.

      • Mike Pop

        Hell no, I would have a supermodel hold my junk for me.

  • Evan

    I hate when people try to give Varitek worth by saying the pitchers’ have 1.5 lower ERA. No shit versus who, the guy catching for wakefield, or the guy who never catches these guys and is filling in when tek is out injured. Just a stupid statistic.

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      CERA was an interesting idea at first, but its not a very good stat.

    • Steve H

      Yeah, Josh Beckett really sucked before he got Varitek. And Schilling. And no way would Papelbon be any good without Tek calling for a fastball 95% of the time. What a great handler he is.

      • Mike Pop

        Exactly, you nailed it. Tek does mean that much, they would be nothing without him and the “C”.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

        But…but…

        FOUR NO HITTAZ!!11!!!1!!

  • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal
    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      I haven’t even clicked the link yet, but don’t worry about those reviews. I’ll say it again, if you’re on the fence about this game, do not get it. You have to be an absolute baseball dork to enjoy this game, or else you’re going to want to break it offering contracts to every arb-eligible; every player with less than three years of service time; and every player who’s eligible for free agency.

      • Manimal

        I know but it is the fairest assessment of the game I’ve seen yet.

        • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

          Definitely true; and after reading it through, I agree with it.

  • A.D.

    Heh Garland resumed talks with the D’Backs….looks like he isn’t getting any offers….no shock there

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      ZOMGZ BUT HE IS TEH INNINGS EATER!!11!!!!11!!1!!1!!

  • Chris

    In most of the excerpts released from the book, Torre spends his time ripping the head cases that he had to coach. I wonder if Cashman thought (like most people did) that Torre was a good people manager and would be able to control these head cases. In the off seasons prior to 2003-2005, Cashman brought in a bunch of head cases, like Randy Johnson, A-Rod, Carl Pavano, Kevin Brown, Jaret Wright, Gary Sheffield, and Karim Garcia.

    I wonder if Cashman assumed that Torre would be able to handle these guys because of his success in the glory years. After things fell apart, Cashman learned his lesson. The only guy that would fall in that category acquired in Torre’s last two off seasons (2006-2007) would be Kyle Farnsworth.

    Maybe I’m reading too much into this, but the manager’s job is to manage the cry baby baseball players, not bitch and moan about how they’re cry babies.

    • bicsharpie

      I don’t think that Jaret Wright was a headcase. That dude didn’t work out but it’s pretty obvious that he was a hard worker and a decent dude. He and Pavano had similar injury histories but at least Wright tried to fight through them for the betterment of the team.

  • Lanny

    Well, they have done an amazing job of hyping and selling this book.

    • http://thejoeyhshow.blogspot.com/ Joey H

      Word. This is going to sell like hotcakes.

      • Arman Tamzarian

        Why buy book havent we heard it all already?

  • http://thejoeyhshow.blogspot.com/ Joey H

    I’ve said 1,000 times on my radio show, Pettitte will be back. It was too obvious. This rotation will be awesome.

    • Mike Pop

      Best in the bigs!

  • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

    NoMaas hitting it out of the park once again

    http://www.nomaas.org/

    “NOMAAS EXCLUSIVE: Torre to release second book

    THE PRE-YANKEE YEARS

    Highlights of the book include:

    – His 894-1003 record before he went to the Yankees
    – Blaming everyone else for winning only one division title in 15 seasons
    – Feeling betrayed by GM Frank Cashen after leading the Mets to a 286-420 record

    And last but not least, his inability to handle a pitching staff and his poor work ethic:

    There were whispers about his problems handling pitchers, teaching fundamentals, arriving at the ballpark too late and leaving too early. (Source: The Atlanta Journal Constitution, Feb 2 1985, Page B2) “

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      Love it.

  • rickross

    NoMaas chat right now…sucks compared to RAB’S…

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      Sweet.

      Just to see if there’s any reaction: Anyone want to do a chat tomorrow? Mike will have his on Friday as well. Except, you know, mine are more answering any whacky question in the queue than anything purely baseball related.

      • Mike Pop

        Damn man, you can’t even respond to our convo bout Hendrix and now you already want to have another chat!

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

          Bah. I was all amped up to talk guitars with you. But no. You have to be a wuss and not play.

          • Mike Pop

            Ya ya ya, the Gibson is good, ya ya.

      • yankeefan91 Arod fan

        hell yeaaaaaaa i love these live chats

      • http://26ncounting.blogspot.com VO

        yea

      • Thomas

        Chat sounds awesome. Will you go for 3+ hours again?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

          Oh, hell no. That was a perfect storm last time. I had nothing to do, the questions kept pouring in, and I was, uh, not in a clear state of mind. Tomorrow I actually have to get some semblance of work done.

          • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

            … I was, uh, not in a clear state of mind.

            Heh, you’re really taking advantage of that working-at-home thing, eh?

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

              Hells yes. I basically don’t work on Fridays. It means a lot of shit Monday through Thursday (well, really, just Monday, Wednesday, and Thursday), but it means I can do whatever the hell I want for a 3-day weekend, so long as nothing blows up at work.

              • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                Not to get too personal, but does it get a bit annoying (for lack of a better term) to have your girlfriend at your workplace?

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

                  Yes, yes it does. Like you wouldn’t believe. And this is a woman I love we’re talking about here.

                  Thankfully, she lives in New Jersey and I’m in Queens, so there aren’t many instances when she’s hanging around while I’m working.

                • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                  Oh, that’s cool. When you were talking about her not blasting FOB as much as Paramore, I thought that meant you guys lived together. I’m a romantic, but that shit sounds tough.

      • Colombo

        I’m down for a chat tomorrow…helps me waste time at work…

    • Mike Pop
  • bicsharpie

    Speaking of the Joe Torre book, is anyone else as shocked as I am that the NY Post hasn’t ran a back page headline that says “Classless Joe”?

  • Mikey (Yankee Fan in the OC)

    The chat’s alright, Lane Meyer knows the most out of the NoMaas guy so this is a decent chat. Yeah, Mike does do a better at choosing questions and answering them with some sort of intellect.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      I aim to please.

      • http://26ncounting.blogspot.com VO

        dont lie you just like being a smartass ;)

  • Hollywood

    Why doesn’t ESPN come out of the closet and officially market themselves as the worldwde leader in pro-Red Sox and anti-Yankee propaganda? In a cut-in during the UK/Ole Miss game, they talk first about Gooden and Justice involved in steroids, and they just happen to only show highlights of them in Yankee uniforms. Despite the fact that these guys are known for their days with other teams, and many people hardly remember them in a Yankee uniform. The second story was of-course more banging the drum on how badly Torre ripped the Yankees.

    Nobody can complain about the Yankees having YES network when the Sox have the biggest sports network in the world running their propaganda. When the Yanks win the Series in ’09, ESPN will probably make like Al Franken and try to just have the result changed while no one’s looking.

    • Steve H

      Last line is classic.

      • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

        And wrong. You obviously have not been following the Minnesota recount and you have zero idea of what you’re talking about.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      “Why doesn’t ESPN come out of the closet and officially market themselves as the worldwde leader in pro-Red Sox and anti-Yankee propaganda? In a cut-in during the UK/Ole Miss game, they talk first about Gooden and Justice involved in steroids, and they just happen to only show highlights of them in Yankee uniforms. Despite the fact that these guys are known for their days with other teams, and many people hardly remember them in a Yankee uniform. The second story was of-course more banging the drum on how badly Torre ripped the Yankees.”

      Agreed. And every time they showed FAs during the beginning of the winter, if possible, they showed clips of them bringing the pwn to the Yankees.

      • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

        I know he strikes out quite a bit but I think every time they’ve shown a FA pitcher, they’ve shown him striking out A-Rod.

    • A.D.

      Yeah I notices all the Justice clips were in a Yankee uniform, and its just really, he’s known as a Brave & Indian

  • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

    Are any of you following the Australian Open?

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      Somewhat but not really.

      I always love playing tennis because I’m good at it for like…ten minutes. Then my baseball/softball swing kicks in and end up knocking the ball over the line too much.

      • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

        I played it briefly one summer but my serving problems were Kournikova-esque so I haven’t felt motivated enough to playing it again. I’d love to get back into it, though.

        Well, the tournament sure makes it easy to lose a lot of sleep, lol.

    • BigBlueAL

      Stopped watching as soon as Ana Ivanovic was eliminated….

      • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

        I love that Ana. I just hope she gets over those yips.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

    Hey, anyone ever watch Burn Notice? I liked the first four episodes plenty, but if this continues in the mold of “Michael someone finds someone in need, goes to great lengths to help them for little compensation relative to the risk, makes inkling of progress in finding out who burned him,” I can see it getting old quick.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      I watched one episode. It was alright but I’m more than likely never going to watch again.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Same as you. I just gave up after the first three episodes, it just didn’t entice me enough to keep coming back.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

        Word. Plus, I already watch House, and that’s another (better) formulaic show.

    • Thomas

      I’ve seen all but one episode and it is pretty good. They all have the same basic plot of Michael help those in need and those part have gotten a little stale. However, the later ones (late first season and the second season) have progress in who actually burns him. I’d still recommend watching it. The first few are a little slower.

    • Hollywood

      I’ve been a religious Burn Notice watcher since day 1. The 1st season is pretty much like you described until it picks up at the end. In my opnion the 2nd season really takes off, and I don’t want to be blasphemous here, but it’s starting to get like The Shield for me in that I’m really anxious to see how it progresses from week to week.

  • Manimal

    How bout that new show lie to me, did anyone like it? I thought it was ok, a little gimmicky and lame at some times and I got a little lost in the plot (They just randomly introduced that senator or whatever he was, I thought he was involved with the murder of the teacher)

  • A.D.

    Shows I enjoy watching right now:

    Chuck
    House
    Office
    Lost
    Mentalist
    The Unit

    Anything out there I’m really missing?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      I’m a fan of How I Met Your Mother.

      • A.D.

        great show, that should be on there, have gotten at least 4 friends to start watching it

        • Mike Pop

          I’m a fan of mothers.

    • Thomas

      I can’t say I’ve ever seen the Mentalist, but the main star just look like a pompous ass.

    • Manimal

      House next week is going to be so good, I can’t wait.

    • Hollywood

      I might be going against the grain here, but I’m a big fan of Damages

      • Steve H

        Agreed

    • E-ROC

      The Mentalist is a very underrated show as is The Unit.

    • Jake

      Another Unit man I like to see that

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Heh.

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/group.php?gid=43434432275 Ace

    Varitek has spent his entire major league career with Boston, which obtained him and pitcher Derek Lowe from Seattle for reliever Heathcliff Slocumb on July 31, 1997.

    Nice trade, Seattle.

    • A.D.

      What makes it even better in my mind, was Slocumb had an ERA over 5 that year, but Seattle was that desperate for bullpen help & that stupid at trading

    • Thomas

      Worse closer Mesa or Slocumb?

      • A.D.

        Slocumb.

        Mesa had some lights out years… see 95, 01, 02…. and the fact someone let him close at 39 (albeit the Pirates) makes him better.

  • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

    Stealing this from Nomaas chat. Great question, a variation on Kill-Fuck-Marry.

    Keep One, Release One, Trade one to Red Sox

    Hughes, Brackman, Betances

    • A.D.

      Ouch

      Keep: Hughes
      Release: Brack
      Trade to Sox: Betances

      Rationale:

      Hughes is closest to majors, is damn good, and will likely be successful.
      Brack: Better than Betances
      Betances: greatest chance of busting

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        “Brack: Better than Betances”

        Please back this up with stats.

        OK seriously this time, why do you think that? We’ve seen Dellin pitch in pro ball with varying success at age 20. Brackman’s an unknown at this point, and his Hawaii Winter ball wasn’t pretty. I know there are reasons for that, but he’s 22 and the fact remains we’ve yet to see him pitch effectively, so how do you put him ahead of the more established (at a younger age) Betances? Also, reports I’ve read have Dellin’s SO potential higher than Brackman’s.

        • A.D.

          Basically, I think Brackman is generally considered a better prospect than Betacanes, thus why he’s higher on essentially every prospect ranking sheet.

          There obviously isn’t enough comparable sample to rank Brackman ahead of anyone on pure stats, and there are similar concerns for the 2 in injury & control.

      • Mike R.

        Provide analysis to back up your statement. :)

    • Thomas

      I’d keep Hughes, release Brackman, and trade Betances. The chances of Brackman and Betances getting to Hughes level are small and Brackman’s upside is higher Betances.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      In that order.

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      BTW-That says trade one TO THE RED SOX, so it could come back to bite you. Big time.

      • A.D.

        So I take it you can’t say “trade for Lars Anderson”

        • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

          No, for a bag of balls.

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      I’ll go

      Keep-Hughes

      Release-Betances

      Trade to BoSox-Brackman

      Rationale being Hughes is too complete, and I have more doubts about Brackman than Dellin

  • paul

    So let me make sure I have the whole A-Rod thing correct. He may hit .300 with 40 HRs and 140 RBIs, and gives 110% on the field, but he is ruining the Yankees and should be gotten rid of because he craves attention and is hyper-sensitive to what people think about him. Meanwhile, Manny, who also may hit ,300 with 40 HRs and 140 RBIs, but will kick the crap out of an old front office guy and jake it on the field half the time – he would be a great asset and should be signed by teams immediately. Ok, got it. Anyone who does not want A-Rod on the Yankees or thinks he is the reason they have not won of late is a complete and utter fool.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Heh, this is from the NoMass chat:

    9:08
    [Comment From Ian Kennedy]
    Anyone out there still believe in me?
    9:09
    I do. I think you’ll be league average or better for the duration of your career, which lasts at least 10 years.
    9:09
    [Comment From Melky Cabrera]
    Anyone out there still believe in me?
    9:09
    STFU, Melky.

    • Manimal

      hahahahahahaha

    • E-ROC

      LOL.

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      Those were my questions, I was logged in as “Bulldog”.

      Great answer, laughed my ass off.

  • A.D.

    Can’t believe the Yankees DFAed Chase Wright…he’s the second coming of Erik Bedard don’t you know!!!!1!

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      The funniest part was the matter-of-fact way he put it. What can you expect from Chase Wright? Think Erik Bedard.

      Meanwhile, Bedard is busy mowing down 221 in 182 innings.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Yet he criticizes us “fanboys” for overhyping prospects.

        • UWS

          Don’t forget Jeff Kennard = Scot Shields.

          • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

            Jeff Kennard…sounds familiar…isn’t he the guy the Yanks sent over to the Angels for Molina?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      He just didn’t have the same fastball. Or breaking ball. Or changeup. Or command. Other than that, it was a spot on comparison.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        Or Canadian-ness.

  • BillyBall

    IAN O’Conner stated today that if the Yankees do not win a World Series in the next 2 years with A-Rod, he will be traded. The Yankees will eat a big chunk of that albatross contract ala Rangers and trade him. This was spoken on the Michael Kay show. I say if the Yankees do not win this year and he slumps again he’s a goner!

    tommielee smith bangs johncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside down says:

    “Look up and compare Manny and A-Rod’s numbers in the postseason”.

    So I did. Here it is;

    Manny in POST SEASON is batting 286
    with a slugging percentage of 550
    28HR
    74RBI’s
    70Walks
    378AB.
    WOW!
    28HR’s in 378 AB’s tommielee smith bangs carlos a/k/a/ upside down!

    A-Rod in Post Season is batting 279
    with a slugging percentage of (hold on now) a whopping 483 slugging percentage
    7 HR
    17RBI’s
    17Walks
    147AB’s.

    Not the worst but not Manny numbers.

    Now what. Do you want me to guess what color underoos you wear?

    PINK!

    Let’s trade A-Rod for Wright and sign Manny. That’s a better Yankee team!

    • Rick in Boston

      And why would the Mets trade Wright? And you also realize that (unless the CBA changed on this) A-Rod has 10/5 rights, meaning that the Yankees can’t trade him without his permission, right? And that more AB’s mean the more likely a player is going to match their average seasonal production, right? Somehow, I doubt it.

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  • http://joejoinsthechior godfather

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