Jan
01

PHing for PA: On Damon’s contract

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Over at the LoHud Yanks blog, Peter Abraham is hosting guest columns for the month of January. We drew the short straw with the Jan. 1 post and explored Johnny Damon’s impending free agency. Damon has, in our view, far exceeded our expectations, and the Yanks are going to have to decide what to do with him after the 2009 season. While their trend this year has been to jettison the old guys, Damon’s presence atop the lineup should not be underestimated.

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  • ????

    I hope the Yankees bring him back, he has been outstanding for us on and off the field.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Your commenter name continues to leave me questioning…

  • Jake H

    Damon is a very good leadoff guy. Why not try to sign him to an extension that would run out when Jeter would have to make the move?

    I think that would work well for both Damon and Jeter. Problem is Jeter probably won’t want to move from SS.

  • kenthadley

    tough to find a leadoff hitter who takes pitches, gets on base, hits 15 HR’s, steals 20 odd bases……it isn’t Jeter anymore……if they let him go, Jeter isn’t the answer at leadoff…….will need to find someone else, or hope Gardner becomes Damon……not likely.

  • E-ROC

    Ah, idk. Moving Swisher to LF and signing Jason Werth seems like a plan to me. Extending Damon for one year also works for me. Tough decision. Either one is understandable.

    • E-ROC

      *Jayson

      • Mike Pop

        I like Werth too but I guess he just isnt as good as we all think

  • Manimal

    Ugh, I hope Lohudders don’t flood RAB now with pointless and informationless comments.

    • pat

      In my best JD from scrubs imitation

      There ‘d be uncooked burritos everywhere

      • pat

        dammit was supposed to say there’d

        • pat

          ok weird glitch in the matrix you cannot post the word there’d

          • pat

            ok it just doesnt show up on my hone im done here I suck the big one.

      • Clark Griswold

        So you’re the person who watches that show.

        • Manimal

          hahahahahhahahahaha

  • http://26ncounting.blogspot.com VO

    MLBTR reports that the giants are making a play for manny, and that they might need to move players to make room for him and his contract. with this could the yankees try and make a move for randy winn?

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      could the yankees try and make a move for randy winn?

      Why? Career 288/347/425, but he will turn 35 in June, so those numbers will likely decrease.

      The signing of Teixeira allows us to give Gardner a shot to see what he can do. Unless the Giants will take Melky straight up, I’d pass.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Ahh, LoHud never disappoints:

    Agreed, all this fascination with the OPS’s & the OBS’s etc. is beyond me.Hey kids, tear yourselfs away from the computer and go and play ball.Smell the leather in the pocket of a new ball glove,tape the handle of a Louisville Slugger,whack the dirt and mud from a real ballfield off of your cleats(don’t call them spikes),and live the game.Those memories of childhood pick up games are the baseball stats that will mean something,when you are a tired old fart like myself.Oh, and while your at it,put a baseball card in the spoke of your bike.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Hanley is a great all around athlete. He could be the answer at CF this year and at short next year. He has good pop and has good tools. He hates the Mets. We need to built a package for him preferably fronted with Kennedy and Melkie- supplemented with one or two minor leaguers with some upside.

      Awesome.

      • Marcus

        When does wanting every all-star in the entire league stop? Nobody wants Melky in a trade. Why does everyone include him in packages?

        • http://26ncounting.blogspot.com VO

          its stops when we sign every all star

      • That guy

        Lol

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        We need to built (sic) a package for him preferably fronted with Kennedy and Melkie (sic)

        Why do so many Yankees fans (RABers included) seem to think every player they want can be had for IPK & Melky?

        If a knowledgeable baseball fan (but with no knowledge of the Yankees farm system) wandered over here, he would conclude that IPK & Melky must be our two top prospects.

        • radnom

          This has not been the case on this site for at least 6 months.
          Try to keep up.

        • jsbrendog

          people here o it as a joke to make fun of the noobs that think it would happen.

          therefore i propose we trade melky and ipk for pujols straight up. if cashman doesnt do this he is the worst gm ever and we should fire him and hir steve phillips.

        • Jay CT

          Seriously dickie, maybe YOU should do some reading on RAB. People on this site have been way down on Melky for over a year. You making a statement like that makes you look like an asshole and you owe an apology for talking like you know what’s going on.

      • jsbrendog

        this sounds like our buddy DBHOF

        he saw it with his own eyes

      • Mike R.

        That sounds good! I would love to have Hanley, but I am not trading Kennedy. How about a package of Eric Duncan, Marcos Vechionacci and Kei Igawa? That’s three players for one!!!!1!1

        • Mike Pop

          DEAL!

      • Jay CT

        that is one of the funnier comments I have read in a long time

    • p

      OLD TIMEY THINGZZZZ 1!!1!!

  • Nathan

    Speaking of the Giants, we should sign Bonds, out of respect, to let him play for 1 month and reach his 3,000 hits. Then let him retire and take all the revenue from his sales.

    Then when A-Rod breaks the record we would have 3 out of the 4 all-time home run kings.

    :D

    • http://26ncounting.blogspot.com VO

      yea then we could sign hank aaron for a day

      • Nathan

        Wouldn’t it be fun?

        Totally kidding though.

        • http://26ncounting.blogspot.com VO

          i think the yankees should actually look into tht then we could unburry basbe ruth sit him in a chair by homeplate, if he can hit 60 in a season alive, hes guarenteed to hit at least 30 dead

  • ryan

    They should grab damon on a 2 yr deal and let him cover Left and leadoff untill a suitable replacement prooves himself. Now that damon’s arm isn’t the achillies heel of CF, he can tuck away in LF for 2 more yrs and be productive im sure.

  • Chip

    I’m all for keeping Damon and completely agree with you guys that he’s one of the best lead-off men in the league. I would say that Kinsler is better (I consider Sizemore a #3 hitter) but the combo of Damon-Jeter is amazing when they’re on. I remember a ton of times where they would hit and run on their own and catch the other team entirely off-guard because there were no signs.

    I hope the LoHudders don’t end up here. It’s tough to read those comments

    • jsbrendog

      agreed. i dont even attempt to read the comments ver there. i like my hair on my head and not ripped out in my fists at other people’s ineptitude

    • pat

      this doesnt tickle your fancy?

      Sean Serritella January 1st, 2009 at 2:38 pm

      Johhny Damon is a free agent the Yankees bought and that to me is every thing wrong with what the Yankees do.

      • jsbrendog

        ill neve rget back that fistful of hair.

  • http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/ dan

    A lot of LoHudders came here last year when RAB wrote the piece on Hughes/Joba/Kennedy. They stunk up the place for a little bit, but we scared them off in due time.

  • Ivan

    Well I,ve always been a Damon fan and he has no question exceeded what what he has done through the contract so far.

    I just gotta see what he does in 09 and etc to really accest the situation. It’s difficult to accest Damon right now cuz while he has been productive in his contract so far, we gotta see what he does in 09 and Damon isn’t no spring chicken and who knows what type of money Damon might command.

    • Nathan

      accest?

      • Jay CT

        And isn’t no is a double negative so that means he actually IS a spring chicken. Just saying Ivan…

    • Dirt

      Wow, exceeding what he has done, impressive

    • Chris C.

      “Well I,ve always been a Damon fan and he has no question exceeded what what he has done through the contract so far. ”

      What the??????
      You people are joking, right? Listen, I like Johnney Damon and all, but he’s exceeded what exactly? HE got a 4 year/52 million dollar deal. With that, he is a defensive liability, allows all baserunners to grab two bags on a single, doesn’t hit for power, is injured quite often, and can’t run like he used to.

      I guess if your expectations were lower than this, then he’s exceeded them. Otherwise, he really hasn’t done anything more or less than what was expected. I don’t think the Red Sox are sitting over there saying, “Gosh, I can’t believe we didn’t throw 13 mill a year at Damon…….he’s tearing up the league!”

      Extension? You’ve got to be kidding. The guy is on his last legs.

  • Mike Pop

    Damon on 2 years, if he demands more I say you have to let him walk.

  • Ken

    I like Damon but the best case scenario would be Austin Jackson getting promoted to the bigs at some point this year and playing well enough to be the starting center fielder and lead off hitter in 2010. Is Austin Jackson going live up to the hype? If so, it will make the team younger, more athletic, and better defensively. Lets keep our fingers crossed.

    • http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/ dan

      He’s not a leadoff hitter. I doubt he’d ever be the type of hitter a manager would put at that spot.

      • Chris C.

        And having an outfielder who can’t throw a baseball is a friggen disaster.
        When teams go from 1st to 3rd on a single to left, something is terribly wrong.

        Damon cannot offensively make up the amount of runs he gives up defensively. The Yankees and their fans are too stupid and goofy to realize this. The Red Sox did though!

    • Reggie C.

      Didn’t realize you meant to put Jackson at leadoff. Jackson has never been a leadoff guy on any of his minor league teams. He doesn’t have that kind of approach and he’s not likely to develop it … that’s not his game.

      • pat

        Word. Jacksons strength is going to be derived from his SLG not OBP

  • X-Man(Angel)

    re-sign Damon? haha

  • Ken

    2010 Yanks

    Austin Jackson CF
    Jeter SS
    Tex 1B
    AROD 3B
    Holiday LF
    Cano 2B
    Posada C
    Swisher or *Nady RF
    Swisher, *Nady, Posada, or any veteran on the roster DH
    * sign in 09 if needed for 2010

    • Reggie C.

      Ideally, I guess DH should be a spot that isn’t anchored by 1 dude who can’t contribute to the team in some defensive role. I’m cool with it.

      I like the odds that Holiday is going to shut up critics with a big year. I wonder though if we’ll open the wallets next off-season after this off-season’s spending..

      • pat

        Well damon and matsui are comin off the books next yr thats 26 mil right there.

  • ryan

    damon hit 300 with a 370 on base. He’s a potent left handed bat and he’s clutch as hell ….considering there are gonna be so many vacancies in the OF in 2009 I don’t see why the yanks wouldn’t sign him… unless gardner takes off and can slide into damons spot…I guess Damon and Gardners 09 season are gonna tell alot.

    • Chris C.

      “damon hit 300 with a 370 on base. He’s a potent left handed bat and he’s clutch as hell ….considering there are gonna be so many vacancies in the OF in 2009 I don’t see why the yanks wouldn’t sign him… unless gardner takes off and can slide into damons spot”

      Well, there’s a difference between re-signing a guy, and giving him an extension. Let him repeat what he did in 2008, then he can look for another contract. The Yankees told Jeter, Williams, Matsui, Pettitte, Posada, and Rivera to take a hike when they wanted extesnions, but now they’re supposed to hand one over to Johnney Damon????
      That sound like bass-akwards business to me.

  • Reggie C.

    Boras is going to say that Damon has gotta get a 3 year contract. If Damon reproduces his ’08 campaign, it’ll be tough not to offer a 2 year deal at a slight salary bump.

    • Chris C.

      “Boras is going to say that Damon has gotta get a 3 year contract. If Damon reproduces his ‘08 campaign, it’ll be tough not to offer a 2 year deal at a slight salary bump.”

      No it won’t. IF Brett Gardner proves he can hit nearly as well as Damon, steals double the amount of bases, and plays a flawless center, then Damon is worthless to the Yankees.

      The guy will be 36 heading into 2010, and you want to give him a 2 year contract with a raise?????? That makes zero sense.

  • GG

    Dont people want Matt Holliday? I just fear Jeter will have to be put in left

    • ryan

      Matt holliday is gonna be a ton of $$…. his 09 yr in a not so hitter friendly ballpark should answer a lot of questions… damon’s 09 yr and Hollidays 09 yr are gonna determine a lot. It obviously depends on what each of these guys want in length and amount of contract as well. Bottom line is, None of these things can be figured out untill all these guys play a decent amount of the 09 season and prove they deserve it.

  • Moshe Mandel

    I think Damon has been great at the plate, pretty much what you want when you pay that kind of money. However, his flopping as a CF has left us with Melky in CF for two seasons, and likely with more below average production from that spot next season. Furthermore, his numbers are great for CF, more like decent for left field. I’m not so sure I see the deal being as big a success as you guys are saying.

    • ryan

      Who’s to say the yanks had a better option than Damon at the time for CF. Taking him from Boston and making them use coco crisp as an alternative did turn out to be a success when comparing the 2. Boston still won w/o damon but they probably would’ve been even more deadly with him. Agreeable that Damon flopped in CF, But he appears w/o looking into the splits of CF and LF to play a Decent LF. To have a Top leadoff hitter with pop and the ability to step up and hit in the clutch, as he has done over and over as a yankee, is worth every penny they paid.

      • Moshe Mandel

        My point is, he was signed to put up those numbers in CF and put them up in LF, leaving us with Melky in CF. That has to be factored into any evaluation of the contract, and I think that makes it much less of a slam dunk. That being said, I like JD and I want him back at the right price.

        • Reggie C.

          Your point is fair. Unfortunately, Damon was already over 30 when he joined us so we didn’t get a player in his prime physical peak. Going forward any talk of re-signing Damon has got to be done with the notion that he’s a corner OF. Not as valuable but he fulfills the leadoff role pretty damn well.

          • Moshe Mandel

            Yeah. In regard to being the leadoff hitter, he has come through.

  • rbizzler

    Happy New Year everyone!

    I like the post guys, but why no mention of Johnny D’s above average D in LF? That info is a big piece as to why you consider resigning Damon. I am sure that you guys have better things to do but if you check out the comment section, it is (as usual) an embarrassment. What’s with all of the Aaron Rowand trade proposals.

  • D.B.H.O.F. p.k.a The Last Don

    I agree with people from time to time about Damon (including myself). He was a great pick up until he throws the ball in or botches a routine play by somehow hurting himself in an odd way for a few days misplaying a ball (but usually in a way that shows you he is at least going all out)

    All in all, he was a good pickup and Boston’s answer to Damon leaving is already gone.