Again with the Jeter standing up for A-Rod thing

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Things picked up last week in Yankeeland because of some book written by some guy who, I think used to manage the team. That’s still going, kind of, but you can’t write about it in every column, can you? Wallace Matthews doesn’t think so. He’s changed the topic this week, though it’s not any less insufferable than the Torre talk. He think that Derek Jeter should stick up for Alex Rodriguez. Great. We’re back on this again.

No one, of course, tells Derek Jeter what to do, and I don’t presume to try. But it is my considered opinion that Jeter can hide for only so long behind his stock answer, “I haven’t read the book yet.”

The book is out Tuesday. Time to start reading. And he doesn’t even have to read it to come out and say, simply: “Alex is my teammate. Alex is our guy. Everyone in this clubhouse stands behind him.”

And that has to include the captain. Because that’s what captains do.

Over the past few years, more than a few Yankees fans have wondered why Jeter doesn’t say something on A-Rod‘s behalf. Fire Joe Morgan once criticized Jeter for coming to Jason Giambi‘s defense but not A-Rod’s. The situations are a bit different, though.

No one thought Jeter didn’t have Giambi’s back. The fans were just peeved at Giambi for 1) the steroids thing, 2) missing most of 2004, and 3) getting off to a terrible start in 2005. So Jeter came out and publicly defended his teammate. So why doesn’t he do this for A-Rod? I can’t give an explanation, as I am not Derek Jeter, nor do I know anyone familiar with his thinking.

The difference in the situations is clear. Yankees fans presume Jeter doesn’t have A-Rod’s back. We all know about the incident where A-Rod tried to take Jeter down a peg, and the consensus is that Jeter still bears a grudge. That seems a bit extreme eight years later, especially when the object of the grudge is now a teammate. Something tells me that this is not the whole story.

The captain should have his teammates’ backs, implicitly or explicitly. Jeter was explicit with Giambi, but not with A-Rod. Does this mean Jeter doesn’t have A-Rod’s back? Not necessarily. I don’t think it’s as big a deal that Jeter comes out and says anything. Alex is a grown man. He can handle his own business. Or at least we hope he can.

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  • pete c.

    I’m no A Rod fan, but this guy has a point. Whether Jeter can’t stand him or not, he should say something on A Rods behalf. Not doing so makes him appear smaller than he really is.
    I’ve said it before he has the opportunity to be our generations Joe D. but with the media behaving like it does now he won’t be able to get away with the Clippers aloofness.

    • pounder

      Jeter and Torre may have business ventures(or a political career) in mind when both retire.I still expect,years down the road, to see a Clemens, Piazza commercial.Perhaps for Anger Management.

      • steve (different one)

        i’m going to go out on a limb and guess there will never be another commercial featuring Roger Clemens.

        unless you’ve been in a cave for the last year?

        • steve (different one)

          or unless the “IcyHot” company develops a new cream specifically for testicles.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            BallsyHot.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              BTW, that reminds me: The one and only one redeeming value of that Torre book is the outing of Roger Clemens’s testicular liniment ritual. I’m so glad that the “Roger likes his balls hot” jokes have now joined the hallowed pantheon of “Wade Boggs is addicted to chicken, beer, and sex” jokes in the Yankee (and, ironically, Red Sox) mental consciousness. Wade was getting lonely.

              (Well, as lonely as a guy addicted to chicken, beer, and sex can get, I guess.)

  • Jon

    I agree that Jeter needs to defend hist teammates. Whether he likes A-rod or not, Jeter should defend him publicly because because it is BEST FOR THE TEAM!

    If Jeter really is “all about winning”, he should know that a happy A-Rod makes the Yankees a far better team than the boo’d/hated A-Rod we’ve seen in the past.

    Think about how bad things were going for Alex in 2006. Boo’d every time he came up, obviously it had a big effect on his performance. I know Jeter can’t/shouldn’t come out and speak against the fans, but I am willing to bet that a few kind words from Jeter would have got the fans to lay off and let Alex play.

  • Steve S

    Have to disagree, this one is a big deal. If he comes out and defends Arod, not necessarily to knock Torre, then he kills this whole story line. When spring training starts whats going to be the number one question for at least the first two weeks? If Arod struggles to start the season, whats going to be the number one story line? Jeter can at least step up and say Arod has done nothing but play hard for this team and we all respect him as a player and a teammate. He says that, the onus swings directly back to Torre. Torre is doing the media rounds now so that in two weeks most of the questions are asked, especially when your safely in Arizona, thousands of miles away from Tampa. This isnt about telling fans what do, there is a clear right and wrong here, and Torre is wrong. If Jeter stays quiet on this one, then the media (right or wrong) will take that as an implied admission. He has to make the effort this time and that comes with being the captain.

  • Yankees07

    Jeter is not a leader!
    He always says that he leads by example, and is more vocal when the media is not around. Well that’s pretty much useless when it comes to A-Rod.

    If Jeter came out and defended A-Rod, even if he had to pretend to like him, the fans would go much easier on Alex and he’d be an even better player. Alex playing in peace = the BEST PLAYER IN THE GAME. Alex playing through controversy, and merciless booing = just a really good player.

    Jeter needs to step up and show the guy some love!

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      Alex playing in peace = the BEST PLAYER IN THE GAME.

      NPD.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I don’t know… I still can totally see ARod getting so locked into a “F$#k all you losers and doubters, I’ll show you” chip on his shoulder revengeance factor that he mashes the hell out of the ball and puts up better numbers than Pujols.

        A motivated, locked in, non-pressing ARod is probably the one guy who could outhit Pujols in a given year.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

          See: 2007.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Damn, Pujols was ELEVENTH in wOBA that year… he was slippin.

            1.) Alex Rodriguez – .449
            2.) David Ortiz – .448
            3.) Magglio Ordonez – .438
            4.) Chipper Jones – .434
            5.) Carlos Pena – .430
            6.) Matt Holliday – .428
            7.) Chase Utley – .420
            8.) David Wright – .420
            9.) Jorge Posada – .417
            10.) Prince Fielder – .417
            11.) Albert Pujols – .414
            12.) Hanley Ramirez – .411
            13.) Jim Thome – .410
            14.) Mark Teixeira – .406
            15.) Miguel Cabrera – .402

  • steve (different one)

    snore.

    Jeter isn’t going to say anything about it. that’s his M.O.: say nothing. and it’s served him well.

    and he’s especially not going to say anything that even implies a hint of criticism about “Mr. Torre”.

    remember, he had Torre hold his bat while he was in the field for 5 years. that’s not wierd or anything.

    • http://Greg Greg P

      I don’t know Steve. I don’t think it’s served Jeter well. Over the past few years, chinks in the armor have arisen. More and more people have taken him to task for his stoic leadership. Thats partly a function of 8 years without a title and diminishing performance on his part. However, there’s something else at play here. His refusal to publicly back ARod seems almost as pathological as ARods supposed obsession with him. After all this time, can’t Jeter let go and do whatever it takes to bolster one of the few players in the game who has the ability to single-handedly carry a team? This seems counter-intuitive for a player who was regularly trumpeted as being all about winning. Because of this disconnect, I don’t think this has served him well at all .

      • huuz

        i addition to your comments, greg, last year demonstrated a lot about posada’s leadership contributions to the team.

        from all accounts, posada is a more vocal leader on the team than others.
        his daily clubhouse presence was clearly missed last season.

        • huuz

          arrg…

          *in* addition…

      • steve (different one)

        I don’t know Steve. I don’t think it’s served Jeter well. Over the past few years, chinks in the armor have arisen.

        i guess. i think people on blogs like this have started to criticize him.

        but i think the general population of Yankee fans still believe he is the greatest Yankee since DiMaggio.

        i’d like him to say SOMETHING, just something simple that he backs his teammate and the team is behind him, but i’m simply not going to hold my breath waiting for it. he’s just not going to do it.

        the next interesting quote from Jeter will be his first.

        and like i said, that approach HAS served him pretty well.

        • Brooklyn Ed

          Over the past few years, chinks in the armor have arisen.

          I resent that comment. Don’t care about the statement, but its the word that you used. Someone please delete that comment. Thanks.

          • Brooklyn Ed

            uh, not referring to you steve. I meant Greg.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

            You can’t be serious.

          • jsbrendog

            that is a valid term. not derogatory in that usage. chinks, as in dents, gaps etc in someon’s armor.

            • jsbrendog

              A narrow opening, such as a crack or fissure.
              tr.v. chinked, chink·ing, chinks
              1. To make narrow openings in.
              2. To fill narrow openings in.

              chink 1
              Noun
              a small narrow opening: a chink of light [Old English

              • Brooklyn Ed

                probably I misread it then. ahh well.

                • Brooklyn Ed

                  my fault…

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
                • http://Greg Greg P

                  No worries… sorry that you misunderstood

              • JeffG

                So let me get this straight…Greg wan’t talking about CMW and Matsui? Jeter supports our Asian friends – right?

                You’ve got to be kidding me… that is so funny. Racism is not cool, but to confuse “chinks in the armor” as being derogatory is just plain hilarious. Family Guy- ish.

      • Should be working

        Im guessing you didnt mean Chinese men wearing armor right?

  • Anthony Murillo

    So our captain speaks out for a steriod user in Jason Giambi and stands behind Andy Pettitte, who AFTER getting caught, admits to using steroids as well. However, a player like Alex Rodriguez, who is the best player in the game today, he does not defend. Why? Because Jeter doesn’t like him. It’s not a secret, that’s why it doesn’t surprise me why Jeter will never speak out on A-Rod’s defense.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      Alex Rodriguez, who is the best player in the game today,

      NPD

  • Bill

    Jeter should really just say something to get people to stop talking about it. Even if you hate the guy you and don’t back him, say that the team is behind him 100%. Even if you hate the guy the team is behind him 100% because I’m assuming they want to win. Even such an obvious statement as that would go a long way to ending this charade.

  • Bo

    Jeter has been such a bad teammate that Alex has won 2 MVP awards next to him. Imagine if he “defended” him?? He’d hit 80 homers. Maybe they can have a sleepover next week.

  • http://baseballbeat.wordpress.com/ Baseball Beat

    It’s amazing it has been almost a decade and we still can’t move on from Jeter-A-Rod.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Really? That’s amazing?

      Dude, one of the guys running for the chairmanship of the Republican National Committee distributed a song he made to his peers called “Barack the Magic Negro.”

      THAT’S amazing.

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        Good thing Chappelle didn’t write the lyrics!

  • Doug

    Jeter needs to say something even if he doesn’t mean it

  • My Geass Makes You My Slave

    Jeter has a commitment to the team. No matter what his opinion is, Alex is a Yankee. He deserves the same treatment as Giambi or any other member. Jeter is the CAPTAIN. Every little Yankee fan looks up to him. Is he telling kids that it’s okay to ignore people you don’t like? If Jeter shows compassion to A-Rod, I’m pretty sure he’ll perform better. Does Jeter like A-Rod’s slumps and losing terribly or what?

  • Yankees07

    I say us Yankee fans should get together and start booing Jeter! See how he likes it. I’d bet anyone that if Jeter got boo’d, Arod would stick up for him.

    I’m going to my next Yankee game with a sign that basically reads “Captains protect their teammates”…but hopefully something a little more clever than that.

    I’ve slowly been liking Jeter less and less over the last few years starting with how he handled the Arod situation in 2006. On top of that, see what answer you get whenever anyone mentions a position change in front of Jeter. His answer, “I’m a shortstop. Period.”. Well, he’s not a very good one according to many and he’s only getting older.

    A “team player” and a captain should always do what’s best for the team. Jeter simply does not do that.

  • casey

    This book goes beyond having A-Rod’s back. Jeter needs to have the team and the clubhouses back on this one in general, no need to get specific.

  • E-ROC

    Is Jeter even in the country? Doesn’t usually get on Jordan’s jet or something travel overseas some place? I’m sure Jeter will say something……and I bet it won’t be good enough for some folks. ‘Ol well. Jeter should buy the book, hold a press conference and publicly burn the book. He won’t even have to say a word as his actions would speak louder. Then again that probably won’t be good enough.

    • Yankees07

      Jeter just did a lengthy interview with Harold Reynolds a couple of nights ago on MLB network. He didn’t even come close to defending his teammate and basically just said “don’t ask me any real questions because I won’t answer them”.

      Jeter is the Fraud! He’s no captain and he’s no leader. Arod never claims to be anything except hard working and pretty much everyone, EVEN JETER, agrees with that.

      • E-ROC

        So when Jeter offers the company line in response to the book, he’ll still be a fraud. Gees, we need to a real leader. Where’s Posada?

        • steve (different one)

          in case you haven’t been paying attention, that hasn’t been the “company line” at all.

          Pettitte and Damon have publicly backed A-Rod.

          Larry Bowa backed A-Rod. Cashman backed A-Rod.

          former players like Quantrill are now criticizing the book.

          how is the “company line” refusing to address it?

          and your comment about Posada is a red herring, Posada is not the Captain.

          • E-ROC

            The company line remark is in reference to Jeter’s possible response to the book. He could back A-Rod. Hopefully, he does. Hell, I’m praying he does but it is very possible that Jeter won’t. Either way I couldn’t care less.

          • steve (different one)

            ok, i think i misunderstood your point. i think you were saying that if Jeter says something to back A-Rod, it still might not be good enough.

            i apologize for that, it was confusing.

            but i stand by my other point: there are plenty of other people who have addressed it, and all Jeter has said was “i haven’t read the book yet”. it’s a little weak.

          • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

            I think you could make a legit argument that Posada should be the captain.

            Or you could make the argument that having a captain is stupid and unnecessary. This isn’t recess football.

  • Miles Roche

    Sorry, Joe, but i gotta disagree with you on this one. Wally is right this time (i can’t believe i’m actually saying this. . .).

    You’d expect Jeter to stick up for A-Rod just ONCE throughout all the latter’s trials and tribulations in all his Yankee years (no pun intended).

    Nada. . .

  • RustyJohn

    The real question is, “When will Brett Gardner stand up for ARod?”

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      He already has. It’s just that no one can see him.

      • UWS

        This comment has literally made my day. Thank you.

        • Mike Pop

          You should take your shirt off at the game for him.

  • http://twitter.com/OldRanger Old Ranger

    There are two things at work here;
    1) His affection for Joe T.
    2) His tenuous relationship with A-Rod, what ever it may be.
    If he has A-Rods back, he may lose Joe T. as a friend.
    If he doesn’t show support for A-Rod, he loses support from fans and a few players.
    So, it looks as though he is in a potentially hazardous situation either way he goes.
    Everyone is different when they need to step up and be counted…so, what does he do?
    My opinion; He should Man up and get behind one of his teammates, no matter the back lash from Joe T. and his adoring tea drinking fans. He has (and will) spent more time with A-Rod and his team mates then with anyone else. One takes care their own…in this case, A-Rod. After all, not only his A-Rod a Yankee, he is his teammate, just the same as all the other guys are. Jeter…don’t become a Joe D type player (captain).

  • Bobby

    White sox offered me a deal!

  • RustyJohn

    I think this entire nonsense could be defused if, one day, ARod got before the cameras and said, “What? I need Jeter’s blessing to get on with my life? Fuck him. And by the way, fuck Torre- my first nine seasons in the league were better than his entire 18- I need him to tell me who is a fraud and who isn’t? I’m going to ask that, if you are lucky to make it to Cooperstown as a manager, because you sure as shit aren’t good enough to make it as a player, Joe, that my plaque is over yours, pissing on your head.”

    • jsbrendog

      this would be awesome.

  • MattG

    Jeter is the spitting image of Torre, isn’t he?

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      To expand on this…does anyone think that down the road, there will be a call to let Jeter manage the team? I really hope not because I think he’d be an AWFUL manager.

    • steve (different one)

      maybe he was up until 2 weeks ago. but i don’t think Jeter would ever write a book like this. he cares too much about his legacy as a yankee.

      • MattG

        ergo why he is a divisive influence in the clubhouse. Jeter may not have invented the term “True Yankee,” but as of this moment, it is only Jeter that has the authority to bestow the honor.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          “True Yankee” = meaningless, stupid bullshit

          • MattG

            meaningless, stupid bullshit perpetuated by…?

            “We have some guys in this clubhouse that don’t know how to win yet.”

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Fair enough. I never said Jeter was a Rhodes Scholar. Arthur Rhodes, maybe, but…

              However, the statement “We have some guys in this clubhouse that don’t know how to win yet” is not the same as “Player X is/is not a ‘True Yankee'”.

              Jeter may be aptly and correctly saying that ARod doesn’t know how to handle the emotional pressure of performing in the playoffs, a concept that has merit and is worth discussing. Saying that ARod is not a “True Yankee”, something I don’t recall Jeter saying, is stupid and meaningless because there’s no such thing as a “True Yankee”. It’s an idiotic quasi-concept created by small-minded people to attempt to denigrate people they don’t personally care for for a multitude of stupid, petty, insignificant reasons.

              • MattG

                I think both Jeter and Torre totally buy into it, though. I think Jeter believes whole-heartedly in True Yankees.

                And I don’t think the concept is total BS. It is in most contexts, but there is such a thing as a True Yankee–the list of Yankee greats has such quantity and quality, when compared against other the lists of True Red Sox or True Cardinals, that there really is a recognizable difference.

                But the reality is that no player, in the middle of his career, could possibly have the perspective to decide who is a True Yankee, who “knows how to win,” or anything else except who is giving their all. Those distinctions are to be sorted out much, much later.

                Thanks to his talent and the length of his contract, Alex Rodriguez has a mortal lock on the True Yankee label, no matter how Derek Jeter might feel about it.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Okay, gotcha.

                  I’d just like to see the phrase die, in hopes that the concepts attached to it die as well. For the good of baseball (and general) sanity.

  • JohnnyC

    Rather than argue the merits of Matthews’ argument, I just want to say that nothing Matthews has ever said on radio or written in print deserves being repeated let alone rationally considered. How he makes a living stumps me.

    • Miles Roche

      Agreed 100%.

      However, this time his argument stands. . .

  • Jake H

    Why is this a big deal? I have no problem with Jeter not sticking up for A-Rod when he’s going through a slump. Why should he? I can’t remember a player who came out and said Jeter would break out of that terrible slump he had a few years ago to start the season.

    • MattG

      I am probably the last person to try and comment on this, since I care as little about this stuff as possible, but what does irk me is someone living off of a reputation. Jeter’s reputation as a leader is built almost exclusively due to the Yankees’ success, and good timing. I cannot think of one example of positive leadership coming from Jeter in a time of turmoil. Conversely, I have no problems conjuring the demeanor of players like Cone, Tino, O’Neill, Posada, O Hernandez, even David Wells and Chuck Knoblauch. These are players that concerned themselves primarily with winning baseball games. In comparison, Jeter is something of a primadonna.

      A-Rod corners the market on primadonna, of course, but maybe this is why Jeter is so guarded in his relationship with A-Rod. Maybe he is afraid people will notice the similarities.

    • Jon

      It’s not about defending a slump, it’s about sticking with your teammate when times are tough and because Alex may need a little more support than some other players. Making the team better should be Jeters priority!

      EVERYONE goes through slumps, when Arod had one in 2006 and the fans started booing mercilessly, Jeter’s answer every time was “talk to Alex”.
      Every other player on the team when asked, answered with “Alex is a great player, and works really hard. He’ll be fine.”

      • steve (different one)

        here you go, Jeter even defended a player on the RED SOX who was going through a slump:

        http://www.eagletribune.com/pusports/local_story_105010356.html

        “How many games have they played?” said Jeter, looking at the AL East standings in the outfield, knowing all too well the Red Sox had played 12 games entering last night.

        “Every player in the league goes through a slump … every single player,” he said. “He’s a long ways away from mine.”

      • steve (different one)

        A-Rod supporting Jeter during Jeter’s slump in 2004:

        Rodriguez says he tries to be supportive of Jeter. “We’re just real positive with each other,” said Rodriguez, who got off to a miserable start of his own this season but is now hitting .292. “I’m giving a lot of positive reinforcement. Just stay aggressive.”

        http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/25/sports/baseball/25yanks.html?ex=1400817600&en=c2edb8537fe1bab7&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND

  • Bryan V

    Alex Rodriguez is a grown man that can defend himself. He doesn’t need anybody, captain or otherwise, to do it for him. At least he shouldn’t.

    The difference between the situation with Giambi and the situation with ARod is that one was a team matter (Giambi), while the other was a personal matter (ARod). And there’s no reason for a team mate to get involved with another player’s personal matters.

    • KW

      I think in both cases, they’re personal matters and team matters, since personal matters affect the player’s performance, which affects the team’s performance.

    • steve (different one)

      The difference between the situation with Giambi and the situation with ARod is that one was a team matter (Giambi), while the other was a personal matter (ARod).

      wrong.

      in 2006, when A-Rod was being constantly booed for “only” hitting like the eventual AL MVP, it was a team matter.

      Jeter could have defused the situation with a few words.

      he was asked to, and declined.

      what HARM could have come from offering a few words of support?

      i’m not saying it DEFINITELY would have helped the team, but by not saying anything, he eliminated even the possibility of helping the team.

      • Bryan V

        You just said yourself that ARod was on his way to an MVP season. So why was him being booed a team matter?

        The team, and ARod, got along just fine without Jeter saying anything.

        Torre saying something in a book has no direct effect on the team. Sure, you can create all the parallels you want, but until that book effects what happens on the field then there’s no reason for Jeter to say anything.

        I suppose anyone could find parallels between personal and professional matters. But until those parallels become facts, there’s no way Jeter should get into it.

        • steve (different one)

          You just said yourself that ARod was on his way to an MVP season. So why was him being booed a team matter?

          huh? you don’t remember the 2006 season?

          i said A-Rod put up numbers in 2006 that we very similar to Morneau, who won the MVP, yet A-Rod was seen as having a “bad year” and was booed all year.

          i didn’t really say anything controversial here.

          A-Rod was hearing it from the fans, Jeter was given the opportunity to speak up in support of A-Rod, Jeter declined.

          i don’t really see how anyone can say that Jeter wasn’t putting the team first there.

          • Bryan V

            I missed the year you were talking about, and only heard you say “AL MVP”.

            Not that that is a big mistake anyway, seeing as how you are saying he had an MVP-like year (compared to Morneau).

            So again…how did ARod negatively effect the team? And how can you say for certain that his negative effects (if there really are any) had to do with the booing?

            You are making an assumption that ARod’s play was effected by what the fans said. It’s not a fact.

            • steve (different one)

              You are making an assumption that ARod’s play was effected by what the fans said. It’s not a fact.

              and you are making an assumption that A-Rod’s play was NOT affected by the fans. it’s not a fact.

              as long as there was the possibility that the booing was getting to Alex, there was the possibility for Jeter to remedy that.

              he chose not to.

              again, what HARM could have come from speaking up for A-Rod? none.

              maybe there was no upside, but there certainly was no downside either. so why not say something?

              • Bryan V

                again, what HARM could have come from speaking up for A-Rod?

                By making him out to be a bigger baby than Yankee fans and others already believe he is?

                If ARod could be traded then perhaps this whole “problem” would go away. But until then, you’ve got to at least try to get ARod used to the Yankee way of life….24/7 media coverage. And by coddling him, you’re doing the opposite.

                You might as well do now what you did during ARod’s MVP seasons (and MVP-like seasons *wink*), and that’s nothing.

                And as long as neither thing is fact…then there’s no strong reason for Jeter to say something, and no strong reason for Jeter not to say something.

                DJ is in a lose-lose situation.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Wait, Jeter saying at least ONE THING in defense of his teammate isn’t “coddling” him.

                  It’s standing up for his teammate. By all accounts, Jeter seems to be going out of his way to NOT say anything nice about ARod. That’s silly and meanspirited. Jeter’s willing to speak up in defense of teammates all the time, but apparently not about ARod.

                  It has nothing to do with “coddling” ARod. It has more to do with just allowing him to be accepted as one of the guys. Jeter’s building up an artificial wall here, and it’s dumb.

  • sahara

    I hope he doesn’t say anything.

    It wouldn’t change a damn thing about what happens on the field and, honestly, I get a perverse laugh over how we as a fanbase continue to play these stupid Jeter vs. A-Rod games, no matter how many times it’s revealed, in some way or another, that they’re fine now.

  • Bryan V

    It wouldn’t change a damn thing about what happens on the field

    Exactly!

    That is the difference between a personal and team matter.

    Make all the predictions you want about how this book will effect how ARod or the Yankees play. But until those predictions become fact, it would be silly for Derek to say anything to the media. Especially when said media can be as ridiculous as the one in NYC.

  • MattG

    Alex Rodriguez is as much a Yankee as Derek Jeter.

    Do you believe it?

    Jeter does not. Jeter knows two things: he is not as good a baseball player as Alex Rodriguez, but he is a better Yankee.

    It is not a problem for the team. It is probably a problem for Alex Rodriguez, personally. It is a small PR problem for the Yankees. What Jeter says (and in some cases, doesn’t say) is mindlessly puppeted by John Sterling and Michael Kay, and thus mindlessly absorbed by millions. I am sure the Yankees would prefer everyone adore Rodriguez like they do Jeter–it might be costing them some merchandising revenue.

    The basic truth is Jeter, if he wanted to, could say, “Alex is as much a Yankee as I am,” and things would immediately change. Only Derek Jeter knows why he won’t say such a thing.

    • usty

      it might be costing them some merchandising revenue.

      Yeah, those scores of A-rod shirts are imagined when i’m at the games.

      • MattG

        I am certain there are people that have said, “I will NEVER by an A-Rod shirt! That choking greedy bastard!”

    • sahara

      You mean like the fans and everyone listened to him when he “stood up for” Giambi and Knoblauch, as so often brought up by some people as though it’s relevant?

      Oh wait. Nobody listened to him!

      Giambi’s status with the fans and the media didn’t ease up until he started performing better/the situation was distanced naturally by time. Knoblauch never was let up on.

      Nothing would change for A-Rod either.

      • MattG

        Apples and Oranges. Giambi and Knoblauch actually played poorly. Why are the fans on Alex Rodriguez?

        It ain’t all DJs fault. Rodriguez is a head case. But Rodriguez gets the Bonds/Belle treatment from his own fans. Even those guys had support from their teammates (well, except for Bonds’ last year or two) and home town fans. And head case or no, Rodriguez is still a nice guy, reasonable, polite to the media, etc.

        Jeter’s relationship with Rodriguez is just really bizarre. It almost seems calculated to force the fans to choose.

        • sahara

          Well, there’s enough out there to dispute that A-Rod’s a nice guy, but that doesn’t matter. What matters — or what should matter — is what he does on the field.

          And it’s not apples and oranges because the fans clearly don’t listen to him, based on the two situations most often brought up to show how terrible Jeter is for not saying more about this. Whatever they dislike about Alex, they will still dislike about Alex. Derek Jeter isn’t going to do a single thing to change that, whether people feel the need to spin it to believe he can or not.

  • usty

    I said this last week in response to

    If he wants people to stop asking questions about this stuff, how about he makes ONE friggin statement supporting his CURRENT teammate(s). He’s supported roid-head Clemens and Giambi publically but A-rod hurts his feelings in 2000 and waaah.

    Want to stop talking about it, how about saying something like this, “Alex is a great teammate and an absolute professional. I love having him on the team, knowing that he’s out there busting his ass to win every day for us and the fans.”

    A-Rod might be a headcase, but no one has ever questioned his dedication. One tiny bit of support would’ve made all of this a non-story. He doesn’t evenh have to say he likes him. Just mention his dedication to winning and being awesome at hitting a baseball and no one will “bother” you with these questions again.

    • Bryan V

      I think that type of support can be kept in the clubhouse.

      And none of us know what has happened there. So for all we know, DJ has already made it clear to ARod that he and the Yankees organization have his back.

      • usty

        But that’s the point. One two-sentence statement to the media makes EVERYTHING a non-issue.

        Believe it or not there are some Yankee fans who think that all of their ideas about a-rod are now confirmed because of this book. I’ve heard them talking in bars as I’m shocked. (yes my friends are dummies)

        • Bryan V

          One two-sentence statement to the media makes EVERYTHING a non-issue.

          You may be right. But I see someone in the massive NYC media starting to call ARod a little kid, who needs his older brother to come out and tell people to stop picking on him.

          Perhaps I’m wrong. But that question could be what’s keeping DJ from saying anything.

          • usty

            Maybe you’re right and that could happen too. I just think that the winds of “how” they’re reporting this story would have to shift dramatically to get the “Arod is a baby” angle. I mean, when is the last time a writer in NYC said ANYTHING bad about Jeter?

  • A.D.

    I love how this digressed into a Jeter bashing

    • steve (different one)

      how did it “digress”?

      the article at the top of the thread was written as a criticism of Jeter.

      some people are simply agreeing with the author’s position.

  • Bryan V

    In ARod’s mind…what’s the difference between Jeter standing up for him in public, and tell him in private that he and the Yankees organization is firmly behind him?

    IMO, the difference is that ARod looks like a kid that has to publicly be coddled and reassured of his value. Which is kinda sad for a grown man.

    • A.D.

      Thats true, if Jeter is backing him privately and talking to him, then it really doesnt matter.

    • MattG

      I don’t think Rodriguez cares what Jeter does. I do think he would like to be cheered more often in his home ball park. Who wouldn’t?

      • usty

        Seriously. People booed him at the last game at the stadium. I don’t get it.

        • Mike Pop

          Its unfortunate that he gets booed. He needs to get a ring before the “fans” accept him.

    • RobC

      maybe A-Rod does not want Jeter to say anything publically

    • Jon

      It seems you have completely missed the point.

      Who cares if Arod is a little sensitive, or maybe even a little immature. What we are talking about is WINNING BASEBALL GAMES.

      If Arod is happy, and comfortable at the plate, he will flat out destroy the league and win yet another MVP. No contest. Dustin freaking Pedroia??? No chance.

      When his head is all clouded up by boos and media stress/scrutiny, he’s just a really good player.

      Jeter could very easily influence the fan base and get more of them “on Arod’s side”. If he does that, the Yankees are instantly a far far better team.

  • Tom Zig

    Dear Derek:

    I need a hug. Melky and Robbie just don’t do it for me.

    Love,
    Alex

  • Andy

    So many Jeter appologists clearly no nothing at all about leadership. That article was directly on point, couldn’t agree with it more. A leader sticks up for his men, whether he likes them or not, whether they’re capable of defending themselves or not. That is Leadership 101. Jeter fail miserably in that regard in 2006, and I think it rightfully cost him the MVP that year, since so much of his game is predicated on his supposed leadership ability.

    Jeter is one of my favorite players, but this is a no brainer. If he truely is a leader, he HAS TO stick up for ARod, HAS TO. Otherwise, he is nothing more than another guy on the club. There is simply no escaping his duty as Captain to support his teammates in tough times, and until he does for ARod, he is not the Captain of the Yankees in my book. Period.

    • Yankees07

      I couldn’t agree more!

      As far as I’m concerned, Jeter can hit the road at the end of this contract if he’s not willing to back his teammates publicly when it is so obviously needed.

  • Mike Pop

    What exactly did A-Rod say again that Jeter might of got real pissed at? Something like we all know who is the best or something like that, right?

    • usty

      “He [Jeter] has never had to lead. He can just go and play and have fun. He hits second — that’s totally different than third or fourth in the lineup. You go into New York, you wanna stop Bernie [Williams] and Paul [O’Neill]. You never say, “Don’t let Derek beat us.” He’s never your concern.’ “

  • http://highandtight.blogspot.com Mr. Faded Glory

    Sure.. “Alex is his own man.” If Jeter weren’t captain, this would be moot.

    As captain, he should explicitly stand up for all of his teammates. He’s not acting like a captain or a leader.

  • usty

    A-Rod’s quote in 2006 to SI: “When I asked Rodriguez about his relationship with Jeter this year, he replied, “People always want to look at someone’s silence and equate that with a negative thing. I don’t see it that way.”

    I reminded him that Jeter’s words carry the most weight. “Mariano said good things [about me]. Joe said good things. [G.M. Brian] Cashman said great things,” Rodriguez said. “But again, people want to focus on Jeet. Jeet’s very quiet by nature, so I wouldn’t want him to change who he is to come and defend me. Because I’m a grown man.”

  • http://tikidoesnotneedabarber.blogspot.com/ LB

    So is Jeter acting like a captain here or does he have to make out with Alex in front of the press?

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/02032009/sports/yankees/jeter__i_support_a_rod_153392.htm

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