Wanted: Outfield depth

Brackman strong before Mother Nature interferes
Freddy Sez Yanks have no tickets for him

When the Yankees and A’s finally get around to playing what is now a two-game set in the Bronx, the series will constitute something of an audition. Whether we like it or not, the Yankee brass will be watching Matt Holliday as he takes his first trip through the Junior Circuit.

Holliday, a career. .318/.385/.549, will be a free agent at the end of the year. He came to Oakland in a trade in November and is attempting to prove that he can hit outside the cozy confines of Coors Field. Yankee Stadium, wind and all, seems like the perfect place for it.

Outside of being an off-season catch for whichever team wants to pony up Boras Bucks for an outfielder turning 30 next January, Holliday may be a trade-deadline acquisition. If the A’s are out of the AL West race by then — and right now, there’s every indication they’ll be among the leaders in that division — Billy Beane could look to get some return for his Holliday investment.

Now this is all well and good, but what does it have to do with the Yankees? Well, two weeks into the season, and the Yanks’ once-vaunted outfield depth has all but disappeared. After we played will-they-or-won’t-they all winter with a trade of Xavier Nady or Nick Swisher, the Yanks lost Nady to some freak accident barely a week into the season.

On Monday evening, the Yanks revealed, well, not much of anything about Nady. The right fielder has gone for numerous tests and second, third and fourth opinions on his elbow. The team is holding out hope that he can rehab it and be back on the field this season. If he has to go under the knife, he won’t play again in 2009, and even if he doesn’t need surgery, his return could be months off.

“We’re ultimately trying to determine if there is an opportunity for a non-surgical rehab because it’s really one of two ways: that way or if you get him cut,” Brian Cashman said to reporters. “If you get him cut, it’s a scary proposition.”

The loss of Nady wouldn’t be unbearable if Hideki Matsui will up to speed, but Matsui isn’t. In fact, there’s no guarantee Matsui will ever be up to speed again. After getting his second knee surgery in as many years, Matsui is off to a slow start. While he’s getting on base at a great clip, he’s just 6 for 31 this season and looks positively anemic on the basepaths. He’s definitely done in the outfield, and last week, he had fluid drained from his surgically repaired knee.

The Yankees, rightfully so, are concerned about Matsui’s health. “The bottom line is that he’s had surgery on either knee the last two years, and you see how at times he’s struggling out there, so yeah it’s a concern,” Cashman said. “He came up with a big hit for us yesterday late in the game which was much needed for him and for us. But yeah, we’re going to have to keep our eye on him, there’s no doubt about that.”

Three weeks ago, the Yankees had too many outfield/DH types for their nine lineup spots. Now, they’re in a situation where Melky Cabrera is their fourth outfielder, and they are a Hideki Matsui injury away from needing a DH. You can never have too much depth.

A-Rod Update

How about some good news before we end this downer injury round-up? According to the AP — who apparently has one reporter assigned to simply watch A-Rod’s rehab workouts — Alex Rodriguez is progressing apace. He hit homers on 10 of his 75 swings today and fielded around 30 groundballs. He is doing some outfield running but hasn’t yet run the bases. When he can slide, he’ll be close to a return.

In a way, tonight’s rain-out was good for the Yankees. It’s just one fewer game they need to play with Cody Ransom at third, and when the game is made up later in the year, A-Rod should be in the lineup.

Brackman strong before Mother Nature interferes
Freddy Sez Yanks have no tickets for him
  • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

    I’m liking Aaron Rowand. He adds more depth that anyone else can at this point in the season. Sure we need to eat up some salary but what else is new. He is an adequate fielder and can still hit with a BA of about 280-290(not to mention hes a righty).

    • Drew

      Yeah I thought about that recently. A good CF’er, plus, how good would he be in left next year or the year after?

      • Brian

        Jeter needs to move to LF, actually…

        • Drew

          Well that is certainly to be determined. I think you got my point. Rowand will most likely be great in the corners, provided that he doesn’t stay in CF.

          • http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00mwbIM15ofMv/340x.jpg Mike Pop

            Eh, like tommie’s been saying. Mike Cameron is the way to go here. Aaron Rowand has 3 more years after this one left? I was on that wagon a while back but now it just isn’t worth it. Another Brian Sabean fail.

            I’ve always been a fan of Corey Patterson but he couldn’t hack it here, boy would Coco Crisp be a nice pickup imo. Slightly overpaid but just what the Yankees could use. Ryan Freel, Randy Winn?

            • http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00mwbIM15ofMv/340x.jpg Mike Pop

              Let me clarify, Corey Patterson can’t hack it not just here but pretty much anywhere since he had that one good season.

            • Rich

              Depending on how much the Yankees are willing to raise the payroll, allocating close to $10 million for Cameron may foreclose subsequent expenditures should a need arise at C or corner OFer.

              • http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00mwbIM15ofMv/340x.jpg Mike Pop

                Cameron is that outfielder though, no? Plus, if something happened to Jorge, I think Cervelli and Molina would hold it down anyways. Most likely, there is not going to be a catcher worth trading for without giving up talent. (Hughes for Salty) or w.e. Considering they wanted Clay for him.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Yeah, but I don’t see us making a move for another catcher this year. It’s Posada/Molina and if we lose someone, we fill from within.

                If we add Cameron, I don’t see the need for a corner OF; we’ll just play Damon-Cameron-Swish and use Gardner to spell all three (primarily by playing him in CF and sliding Cameron over to the corners).

              • steve (different one)

                but where else can you get a bigger bang than by upgrading CF?

                also, if they trade for a catcher, it won’t be in a salary dump, simply b/c i can’t think of any catchers making too much money that need to be dumped.

                Benji Molina is the only such possibility, and he doesn’t make THAT much. you’re looking at what, $3M at the trade deadline?

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              I’d like Crisp, but I can’t see the Royals putting him on the market. He’s only making 5.75M this year and has a club option for next year at 8M with a super-cheap 500k buyout.

              I bet they hang onto him and buy him out in the winter, let him hit free agency and recoup a draft pick (he should be a type B at least, I’d imagine.)

              DeJesus is even less moveable, he’s signed to a team-friendly deal through 2011. The only OF they want to move is the one we don’t want: Jose Guillen.

              • http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00mwbIM15ofMv/340x.jpg Mike Pop

                Say Austin isn’t ready, do you try Coco for a 1 or 2 year deal?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Depends on the price… yeah, I’d consider it.

                • http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00mwbIM15ofMv/340x.jpg Mike Pop

                  Plus, with Dayton Moore you never know. You might be able to snag Coco for a reliever or two which is perfectly acceptable considering the Yankees depth. He likes guys like Farnsworth, throw Veras out there on the line. See if he bites.

            • Drew

              Yeah I’m not a huge fan of Coco, plus I think Melk could mimic his offense minus a few steals. Plus, with Melky’s arm, I’d rather go with him.
              Freel wouldn’t be a bad super utility guy if we’re not going to stick with Ransom.
              I really just want to know what Cash thinks about the Cuban defector Gomez.

              • http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00mwbIM15ofMv/340x.jpg Mike Pop

                I know you like Melky but I think Coco is a much more valuable player then Melky is. Much better CF than Melky defensively, probably the better bat. I’m a fan of Coco, no doubt.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

                Saying that Melky could mimic Coco Crisp’s below-average production is hardly going out on a limb. Your point is still a valid one though. Again, probably not worth the incremental cost increase.

    • A.D.

      Its a lot of money for quite a few more years stuck on that deal.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      Aaron Rowand is an average offensive player, no longer a great defender and far overpaid. He’s not worth the incremental cost increase over Melky. Pass.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      09:$8M, 10:$12M, 11:$12M, 12:$12M

      Good god, no. You don’t pay that kind of money for a guy who, AT BEST, is “an adequate fielder and can still hit with a BA of about 280-290”.

      We could sign Marlon Byrd to a 3/18 in the offseason (not that that would be a good deal) and get Rowand’s production for half the price.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        Exactly. You want a short term deal so you can sign someone you really like (Holliday) in the off season. Cammy makes the most sense.

        • Bo

          You can do much better than Rowand especially in this market.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        A big fat NO to Aaron Rowand. I’d like Marlon Byrd on a trade for the rest of the year if anything, or Mike Cameron. If Brett Gardner continues to struggle, I’d be much more in favor of pulling for one of those trades.

  • Drew

    Does the loss of Nady make us more likely to go after Yasser Gomez?

  • A.D.

    Any chance the Yankees could get one of the Colorado OF, they essentially have 4 guys for 3 spots in Fowler, Hawpe, Smith, and Spilborghs, and then having Gonzalez and Murton, shows a fair amount of depth.

    • Will (the other one)

      Nah. Fowler’s locked until arbitration, and neither Hawpe nor Smith nor Ryan Spilborghs, good players all for the Rockies, is worth trading anything away for to have to come and face the pitching in this division. We’d have to give up far too much to get too little in return.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

        We’d probably have to give up at least Melky and IPK, right?

        • Rich

          Melky may be close to earning the starting CF spot…for now. He has been better than Gardner to his point both offensively and defensively.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

            With out joking about Melky/IPK trades, this is very true. Mike and I were talking about that on Sunday at the stadium. Melky’s been hitting decently enough to warrant getting ABs over Gardner if Brett doesn’t show some improvement by the end of this month. That Gardner’s OBP is under .300 is not a good sign.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Meh, I don’t know if Melky’s really “earning” the spot as much as Gardner’s dramatically unearning it.

              • http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00mwbIM15ofMv/340x.jpg Mike Pop

                Come on, Melky has been hitting solid since he’s been playing. His first AB of the year was pathetic but he has had good AB’s lately.

              • Stephen

                Brett “the noodle bat” Gardner. But seriously, I want Gardner to do well (obviously), I’ve always been worried that pitchers would challenge him more, and his OBP would decline sharply in the majors from his time in the minors.

              • Spaceman.Spiff

                Melky had a pretty good spring too. And he’s young enough that we could hope that he’s not as bad as last year made him seem.

              • steve (different one)

                infintesimal sample size, but Melky has hit 294/.368/.647 so far.

                what more can he possibly do?

                Gardner looks overmatched. he’s back to all of the bad habits he had last season.

                not saying i am ready to give up on him, it’s WAY too early, but let’s give Melky some credit.

                • Andy In Sunny Daytona

                  He also had an extremely good Winter League campaign. Melky has seemingly done everything that the Yankees asked him to work on. He’s in better shape and he’s more patient at the plate.

            • Andy In Sunny Daytona

              I would have loved to hear that conversation. Complimenting Melky to you two is like a vampire sunbathing, it rarely happens, and when it does, someone bursts into flames.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Complimenting Melky to you two is like a vampire sunbathing, it rarely happens, and when it does, someone bursts into flames.

                THE GOGGLES… THEY DO NOTHING!!!!!!!!!

                • Andy In Sunny Daytona

                  I need Robin Williams to hug me and tell me that “It’s not my fault”.

        • http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00mwbIM15ofMv/340x.jpg Mike Pop

          I’ll add Eric Duncan but if they wanted Shelley….I might have to negotiate a little harder.

      • A.D.

        There is some good pitching out West, San Diego & LA, and Arizona aren’t particularly hitting friendly and there is some great pitching out there with Webb, Haren, Billinglsy, Lowe (before this year), Peavy, etc.

    • RollingWave

      Fowler: not much chance they trade him

      Hawpe: 80% Bobby Abreu (in his prime) at the plate, 100% Bobby Abreu on the field. I guess with the new RF it doesn’t matter much. or if he DH. he’s going to cost quiet a bit though.

      Smith: nice platooner, iffy everday player.

      Spillbourgh: seriously, even if your down on Melky, Spillbourgh is still not an upgrade.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        How is Spil not an upgrade over Melky? He’s got a career line of .300/.370/.463 and he’s improved every year. It’s not his fault that Clint Hurdle was a moron and played Willy T over him for the sake of speed.

        • http://deleted RollingWave

          ur right, I looked at the wrong stats, he has a very large Coors split though.

  • radnom

    How about signing up Nady for that procedure Saito got this offseason?

    • anonymous


      • radnom

        They injected concentrated plasma from his blood directly into his elbow and he avoided Tommy John surgery.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Sounds like a possibly quasi-unethical Performance Enhancing procedure… let’s do it.

  • ikl

    I don’t know about this. As long as Damon and Swisher stay healthy, then we have the corner spots covered. Center field is a question mark, but I think that we have to give Gardner more of a chance before doing anything there. Meanwhile Melky might earn his spot back. If neither hit much, then we need a center fielder.

    As far as DH goes, I think that the Yankees should use Posada at DH regularly – most of the time he is not catching he should DH. Having his bat out of the lineup hurts us and we don’t want him to catch more than 70% of the time, I would think. It might even be worth carrying three catchers to make this easier. Between Posada and other people getting days off playing the field, I think that he can fill up the DH spot most of the time. If Matsui doesn’t get better, then perhaps we try Miranda there. Shelley Duncan could help against lefties.

  • George Clint

    No matter how you slice it, Damon, Gardner, Melky and even the beloved Swisher…this is a pretty mediocre outfield, certainly not up to Yankee standards. Hell, it reminds me of the outfields of the late 60’s and early 70’s. At least they had Murcer and Roy White. And then everyone starts coming in with even more mediocre suggestions like Cameron, Rowand, Corey Patterson and Coco Crisp. How many times did we watch Crisp not come through in clutch situations for the Red Sox. Too many to count. The are the New York Yankees, remember?
    We’re all thinking way too small. We need to get a heavy hitter. By the way, Abreu is hitting .362 with 7 steals so far for the Halos.
    Right now, I don’t have the definitive answer, but I can tell you this:
    Nick Swisher will come down to earth soon and he is not a great fielder. We’re not going to win the division with this outfield or one with Crisp, Rowand or cameron.

    • Spaceman.Spiff

      We can if our infield is chock full of all stars such as A-Rod, Jeter, Tex, Posada, and even Cano’s made an all star team. We also can if we have the SP rotation that we do. Damon, Melkner, Swisher aren’t bad enough that they negate all the good things about our team.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      No matter how you slice it, Damon, Gardner, Melky and even the beloved Swisher…this is a pretty mediocre outfield

      Damon and Swisher are not only above average hitters, but they’re also above average fielders at their position. In fact, aside from Carl Crawford, Johnny Damon was the best LF in baseball in ’08.

      By the way, Abreu is hitting .362 with 7 steals so far for the Halos.

      And? It’s April 21. Do you really think Abreu’s gonna keep up a pace like that? Hell, you said one sentence later that Swisher will cool down. You think that doesn’t apply to Abreu?

      Nick Swisher will come down to earth soon and he is not a great fielder.

      Yeah, he’s gonna come back down to earth, but he’s still an above average hitter. No, he’s not a great fielder, but he’s an above average right and left fielder.

    • steve (different one)

      this is a pretty mediocre outfield, certainly not up to Yankee standards

      and if Cano has bounced back, the yankees just might have the best offensive infield (counting posada) in the history of the franchise.

      what’s your point?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      All of this is batshit insane.

  • Tom Zig

    What do you think Holliday will ask for when he reaches free agency?

    At this point though I’d be satisfied with Cameron or Coco. Sure they paid more than they are worth, but would they be any worse than what we have currently?

    Plus Coco is gritty…or wait did he lose his grittiness since leaving the Sox. Or was he never gritty to begin with because he isn’t Caucasian?

    • Bo

      The Mets will need an OF. Sox might too if Bay walks. He can be writing his own ticket at this point.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I’ll bet the Sox re-up Bay midseason. With Ortiz on his way to the glue factory + Lowell not far behind him + no Manny Ramirez + no Mark Teixeira, they can’t afford to lose any more offensive players.

        • Axl

          But this coming off season will be a good one for outfielders…his agent would be a fool to not wait until then no?? It’s basically Holiday and Bay at the top…isn’t it?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            My guess is the offseason corner OF pecking order (with Bay included) goes:

            First Tier
            1. Matt Holliday
            1A. Manny Ramirez

            Second Tier
            3. Jason Bay
            4. Carl Crawford

            Third Tier
            5. Rick Ankiel
            6. Andruw Jones
            7. Jermaine Dye (assuming the Sox don’t pick up his 12M option)

            Fourth Tier
            8. Johnny Damon
            9. Marlon Byrd
            10. Brian Giles
            11. Mike Cameron
            12. Randy Winn
            13. Coco Crisp
            14. Austin Kearns

            Injured/Legally Deceased Tier
            15. Xavier Nady
            16. Vladimir Guerrero
            17. Gary Sheffield
            18. Hideki Matusi

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Sorry… Hideki Matsui.

              Stupid Cot’s. I cut and pasted their list and they misspelled Godzilla’s name.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      If Holliday has a good season, I think he’ll ask for Tex-like money.

  • Matt K

    I think our roster might change kind of dramatically once A rod returns. Bull Pen and bench included.
    Does anyone else think it would be a good time to DFA Ransom? clear up a 40 man spot. maybe for melancon.

    • Bo

      They will probably keep Ransom as the UTL and let Pena play everyday at Scranton once A-Rod returns

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Assuming that: 1) we continue carrying a 12-man pitching staff and 2) Nady goes on the 60-day DL, when ARod joins the active roster we’d have a 13-man position player staff of:

      3B-Nails Krzyzewski

      Backup C-Molina
      4th OF-Melky
      Utility INF-Pena

      Yeah, I’d probably DFA Ransom, since Pena can likely handle all the IF spots (and Ransom can be stashed in Scranton rather easily.) That 13th spot, though, should really go to an offense-first player, since the rest of the bench are all rather anemic hitters; ideally that bat should be able to play CF/LF/DH since those are the three positions in the starting lineup most in need of relief (Brett/Damon/Matsui). Perhaps that’s Juan Miranda, since he can be a good PH option more often than not and handle 1B and DH.

      Which brings me back to Mike Cameron. If we trade Melky for Cameron, we could put him in the starting lineup, move Gardner to the bench, and have no holes in the lineup with a decent bench of Molina-Gardner-Pena-Miranda. Three good defenders, one good bat, one great speedster to pinch run with, and able to play all 8 positions on the field.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        I like it.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

    We shouldn’t forget about Austin Jackson, who’s off to a hot start in Scranton and Girardi has been quoted as saying we could see playing with the Yanks this season.

    • steve (different one)

      i’d be surprised if we don’t see him later in the season.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Agreed on both counts.

        However, with as deliberate as the organization has been with its prospects (with good reason), I would be surprised to see either of them here before the All-Star break.

  • mark the spark

    yankees need to try to go with what the got for as long as they can. the closer we get to the trade deadline, many teams are going to be trying to cut payroll due to the economy. a team like the yankees will have their pick of players to choose from.

    case in point, i was watching the pirates-marlins game last night. now, of course it’s in pittsburgh so i didn’t expect to see a big crowd but…DAMN!!! i have never seen a crowd that small at a major league game. if they had 5000 total in attendance they were stretching the numbers.

    • mark the spark

      from ESPN regarding above mentioned game:

      “The announced crowd on a cool, rainy night was 8,090, but the actual attendance appeared to be about half that.”

      • pat

        I watched that game, there’s no way there was more than 200 people in the stands.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Likely all relatives of the LaRoche family…

  • Patrick

    Hmmmm….yeah, it’s a little crazy, but why not see about trading for Andrew Jones? I guess there are 40-man roster issues, but with Nady to the DL (and possibly having him there all season, thus ending his Yankee career), if he’s a goner, we should start thinking about replacements. Sure, AJ is a replacement that has sunken low, but why not buy somewhat cheap on the guy. Heck, the Yankees have twice signed Sidney Ponson as a band-aid. AJ isn’t as fat and bloated of a band-aid as he was in Boston, but something makes me think that, if he gets the playing time, he can turn it around.

    Looking at the FA’s over at MLB Trade Rumors (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/12/2009-mlb-free-a.html), it doesn’t seem like there is much fodder out there. I guess it’s just the Melkman and me.

    I guess this also raises the “What do we do with Johnny Damon in 2010” issue all over again.
    So frustrating.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Would the Rangers even put Andrew Andruw on the trading block so soon, though? They just found him and rejuvenated him, I’d imagine they’d want to roll with a Jones-Hamilton-Cruz outfield and instead look to trade either Byrd or Murphy.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    I’d be all about Brian Giles if a mid-season trade were too be made. Still an on-base monster, extremely durable, solid defensively, experienced guy who won’t shit his pants in a pennant race, lot’s to like there, especially on a short commitment.

    • Jake H

      I would go for that.

    • daneptizl

      But maybe he’ll block the trade again.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      I could get on board with that, if he doesn’t block it–but via Cot’s it doesn’t seem that he has a NTC in ’09. Even if he does, though, and it follows ’07-’08’s, he can’t block a trade to the Yankees.

      • steve (different one)

        he’s a 10-5 guy, he can block any trade. contract is irrelevant.

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          Oh yeah, forgot about that. Damn.

        • tim randle

          …a what?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      While I also would be 100% okay with Brian Giles, the fact that he’s a lefty and can’t play CF makes him less attractive to me than Mike Cameron.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Although, if both Gardner and Matsui continue to struggle, maybe we explore the possibility of buying BOTH Cameron AND Giles. A few non-prospects to each team in return for the short term salary relief of taking the balance of the 19M owed to the two of them off the Brewers and Padres’s books…

        1-SS Jeter (R)
        2-DH Damon (L)
        3-1B Tex (S)
        4-3B Nails Krzyzewski (R)
        5-C Posada (S)
        6-RF Swisher (S)
        7-2B Cano (L)
        8-CF Mike Cameron (R)
        9-LF Brian Giles (L)

        Backup C-Molina (R)
        4th OF-Gardner (L)
        Utility INF-Pena (R)
        PH-Matsui (L)


        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          This is more of an opium fueled non-reality than Coleridge’s “Kubla-Khan.”

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Sir Smoke-a-Lot: Lemme get a pound of your sweetest cheeba.
            Thurgood: Something TOLD ME to bring a lotta weed!!!

  • Bo

    This team is going to have its pick of outfielders come the summer. With all the teams cutting payroll and looking to get out from under some contracts you are going to see some pretty good players had for nothing.

    So people like Matsui and Gardner better pick it up. Matsui especially. You cannot waste a DH spot on someone hitting a buck twenty.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Meh, I think the Matsui ship sailed long ago. His current struggles are fairly moot, we already weren’t going to bring back an old DH with two bad knees.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Oh, nevermind, my bad… thought you were talking about what to do for 2010, not for midseason 2009. Misread your words, sorry.


  • jsbrendog

    adam dunn once he realizes he HATES losing in washington. and the yanks come in with salary relief after the nats draft and sign strausburg (sp).

    dreaming i know…

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      I would get so happy.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        I mean, seriously, could you imagine how happy I’d get having Swisher AND Dunn on the Yankees?

        • steve (different one)

          i was into Dunn during the offseason, but after watching him play in the WBC and early this season, the Yankees would have to get rid of Matsui to get Dunn.

          he can’t play the field. he’s terrible.

          i know we ran through all of the numbers in the offseason, and some of them showed he wasn’t that bad, but he is.

          as a DH? yes. but i wouldn’t play him in the OF.

          • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

            Yeah, I hear ya. His fielding in the WBC was just horrendous.

            What’s funny is that by UZR last year, he was awful, but by Pinto’s PMR, he was average.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      There’s only one flaw with your brilliant idea, JSB:

      Adam Dunn doesn’t have a passion for baseball. He doesn’t really enjoy the game.

      Therefore, he doesn’t care about losing, totally doesn’t mind it. So he’s totally content in Washington, because he has no fire and no drive for the joy of the game.

      • jsbrendog


        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          There’s a reason why you’re attracted to some players and there’s a reason why you’re not attracted to some players. I don’t think you’d be very happy if we brought Adam Dunn here, JSB.

  • jonathan

    Imagine if you would how many homer Giambi would have at our new stadium? He would make that shift obsolete. Over/Under number of homers that Giambi hits in the two game series 2.5 or Jack Cust.
    Anyway outfield depth, I say we get Jim Edmonds to sign a minor league deal so he can get some ABs and we get him up here. Again a lefthand bat in our new yankee launching pad I bet he gets 20-30 homers on the year if he gets regular playing time.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Here’s my issue with that:

      Assume the infield and catcher is the A-lineup of Posada-Tex-Cano-Jeter-ARod. That’s two righties, two switches, and a lefty, all of whom hit both righties and lefties well.

      If we add Edmonds, that means Girardi now has the following group of players in the system on the 40-man with which to fill out the DH and OF spots:

      OPS vs. Righties and Lefties

      Swisher (S)- .799 .921 (I used ’07 numbers since ’08 is fluky)
      Melky (S) – .729 .651 (career due to sample size)
      Matsui (L) – .815 .751 (2008)
      Damon (L) – .889 .710 (2008)
      Gardner (L) – .636 .369 (career due to sample size)
      Edmonds (L) – .883 .441 (2008)
      Juan Miranda (L) – N/A (but he sucks against lefties)

      Edmonds is pretty worthless against lefties. And we already have 4 other lefties who would play either in the OF or DH, and they’re all pretty worthless against lefties as well, plus one of our two switch hitters should consider batting lefty all the time because as a right-handed batter against lefties… he sucks as well.

      The importance of Nady being a righty who kills lefties cannot be understated. We should be looking for more quality depth at both CF and in relief of RF/LF, but the primary attribute we should be looking for is ability to hit left handed pitching, IMO.

      • jonathan

        I agree with you completely, I was looking at him a depth and if we do get Nady back than we have this in the outfield:
        Of those 7 players only 5 will be able to play the field, Matsui is going to be DLed at some point and if Nady comes back he will be DHing most of the time. If we start Swisher,Gardener,and Damon we keep Nady for lefties and Edmonds for righties of the bench and rotate Edmonds in as needed…hes still a gritty balls to the wall outfielder and will cost us nothing.

  • Roman

    I say Giambi hits one out late in a game within next 2 games

  • miketotheg

    i’m already writing my letter to santa for matt holliday this year. if the A’s fall apart we can give them melky, kennedy and igawa.

    that dude is a grinder. but being that he’s caucasian the red sox are going to go hard for him.

    we shall see.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      i’m already writing my letter to santa for matt holliday this year. if the A’s fall apart we can give them melky, kennedy and igawa.

      I know this is in jest, but let’s be clear: The Yankees are not trading for Matt Holliday this year. Not when he’s a lock to hit free agency in the winter. We don’t trade actual prospects of actual for guys we can sign in the offseason for nothing but money.

      There is no chance Holliday is in pinstripes any earlier than at a December press conference.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      I appreciate your sarcasm, but asking for Holliday in a mid-season trade is a bad move. Beane is not going to take that package for Holliday; he’ll ask for much more. Plus, as a Boras client, there’s a 99.8 percent chance that Holliday would leave after ’09. If Matty H is going to land in the Bronx, it’s going to be as a free agent.

  • Axl

    What about the over/under on the Yankee brass doing something about fixing the home run situation in the new stadium??

  • Reggie C.

    We’re a win-now team.

    Win-now trading options: 1. Matt Holliday. 2. Rick Ankiel. 3. Elijah Dukes??…

    – Does anybody think Dukes is available for a couple pitchers at the trading deadline. The Nats will be out of it obviously and since they’ve got an overloaded OF, what’s the chances that a Hacker, Veras, and Melky Cabrera package lands us Elijah Dukes. I’m assuming that the Yanks don’t chance injury to Matsui’s knees in more than 10 games (if that)…

    Anybody else think that Swish is overdue for a significant cool-down…

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      We’re a win-now team.

      No, we’re not.

      We’re a win-now and win-later team.

      Way to start off your post with an inaccurate generalization that skews the team logic away from reality.

      Nady’s probably out for the year. That being said, Swisher, Damon and Matsui could all be in a horrible car crash tomorrow and be lost for the season and I still doubt we trade for Matt Holliday.

      Beane is going to ask for something of greater value than the two top prospects he can draft when Holliday walks. This means he won’t trade Holliday for less than two real good prospects. That means we won’t be trading for Holliday.

      As for Ankiel and Dukes:
      I also don’t see the Cards trading Ankiel. They figure to be in it all season long and need Ankiel (and they’re like Beane, they won’t move him unless they get a better package than two first rounders).

      Dukes is probably the only one truly movable, but it would take way more than Hacker, Veras, and Melky, I’d say. He and Zimmerman basically are that offense right now. Dukes seems to be turning a corner into a real good player, I think the Nats hang on to him and build around him. Milledge and Johnson can be had, but Dukes-Zimmerman-Willingham-Dunn looks to be their core going forward.

      • Reggie C.

        I made a incomplete generalization b/c yes, this team is built to win in the future. However, Joe G.’s head would roll if the Yanks didn’t make it to the playoffs in ’09. This year is very important as its the first year of a team that on paper should be contending for AL pennants for the next half-decade.

        It didn’t sound that you were totally against a move for Elijah Dukes. I’d drop Hacker and insert a Kennedy. Its all terribly premature but if Melky keeps trotting out there as Swish needs to DH to give Mats’ swollen knees a break, then OF depth remains a forefront issue.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I made a incomplete generalization b/c yes, this team is built to win in the future. However, Joe G.’s head would roll if the Yanks didn’t make it to the playoffs in ‘09.

          And if Joe G were the manager and the GM, maybe we do trade for Holliday. Cashman makes the personnel decisions. He’s not giving up prospects for Holliday or Ankiel.

          But you’re right, I’m totally down with acquiring Dukes. I just think he’s starting to price himself out of our market. If you were the Nationals, what would you agree to to part with Dukes?

          Dude currently has a 149 OPS+. He’s a five-tool cleanup hitter who doesn’t turn 25 until June. He’s cost controlled for a while longer. He and Zimmerman and Dunn are basically the only reasons fans would come out to the ballpark (if they came out to the ballpark.)

          If he didn’t have some anger issues in the past, he’d be as untouchable as B.J. Upton or Nick Markakis. I think I’d turn down IPK/Melky/Veras for Dukes as well. If I’m the Nats GM, you’re going to have to give me at least one real good prospect and a well-above average one too before I trade away a guy who looks like a young Gary Sheffield.

  • Jack

    FanGraphs had an interesting article this morning about Matt Murton.


    If we’re just looking for depth, he seems like he’d be a pretty good option, depending on the price.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Murton platoon splits (BA/OBP/SLG/OPS):

      vs RHP- .275/.339/.412/.750
      vs LHP- .311/.382/.484/.867

      He hits lefties… sounds good to me.

      • Rob in CT

        I like.

  • Conan

    Elijah Dukes? Are you kidding me? The man is a hard core criminal. The city would eat him alive or pose massive temptations. And who ever mentioned Mike Cameron, Jack Cust and Adam Dunn – it’s just what the Yanks need! More low contact guys who leave men all over the bases.

    Aren’t you Yankee fans sick of watching this team leave men on third base with less than 2 out because no one can hit a simple sac fly?


    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Elijah Dukes? Are you kidding me? The man is a hard core criminal.

      Ty Cobb stabbed a guy.

      The city would eat him alive or pose massive temptations.

      Washington DC poses massive temptations as well… he’s been a model citizen there. And somehow I doubt Elijah Dukes is going to start pressing just because some snot-nosed kid in the stands boos him for striking out. I think he’ll be fine. He can’t be “eaten alive” by the city if he doesn’t give a shit about anything or anybody.

      And who ever mentioned Mike Cameron, Jack Cust and Adam Dunn – it’s just what the Yanks need! More low contact guys who leave men all over the bases.

      We currently HAVE low contact guys who leave men all over the bases. Cameron, Cust, and Dunn do that far less frequently than Damon, Matsui, Gardner, and Melky. They also hit doubles and triples and homers far more frequently than Damon, Matsui, Gardner and Melky.

      My hair is a bird. Your argument is invalid.

      Aren’t you Yankee fans sick of watching this team leave men on third base with less than 2 out because no one can hit a simple sac fly?

      Yup. You know who has more than enough power to hit more sac flies than you can shake a stick at? Mike Cameron, Jack Cust, and Adam Dunn. I’m quite certain they have hit many more RBI sac flies in their opportunities than Damon, Matsui, Gardner, and Melky.

      • http://theyankeebomber.blogspot.com Conan

        Touche on DC posing the same temptations as NYC, but Dukes definitely doesn’t contend with the same media outlet. As for as him not giving a shit – apparently he does, hence his anger issues.

        As for your argument regarding Cameron, Cust and Dunn – better check your facts. Cameron hit .245 with RISP last year, with 34 Ks in 106 ABs. Cust, even better – .231, 2 HRs and a staggering 52 Ks in 117 ABs. Dunn actually wasn’t too bad, but not great – .241, 11 HRs and 65 RBIs, but 45 Ks in 133 ABs. Plus, as mentioned previously, the guy goes through the motions without any passion.

        Damon had a career year, so it might be overstating the facts, hitting .333, 7 HR, 58 RBIs and only 17 Ks in 108, but he’s essentially a pull hitter and I don’t find myself cussing at him as much as I do the others. Matsui did well too, but I agree wholeheartedly, he is done, put a fork in him. Gardner is a different player then the 3 we’re comparing too, but I’d rather a young CF with game changing speed as opposed to an aging Cameron. Melky – package him anywhere you can.

        What the Yanks need are contact guys. Someone who can move runners over – doing the little things. Perhaps a Grudzielanek type. The new ballpark is going to play like a bandbox, so everyone’s HRs are going to go up. Just look at Melky already with 2 jacks! Last year, and this year’s small sample though (4-32 with RISP against Cleveland) are proving to be this team’s downfall.

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