The Mark and Alex show leads Yanks to walk-off

Yanks acquire Romulo Sanchez
Ortiz coughs up another save in Tampa loss

Mark Teixeira did not have an easy go of it in April. Through May 2, Teixeira was hitting just .182/.354/.338, a slow start by his standards, and the 19 walks he had was indicative of the lack of protection. With Alex Rodriguez out of the lineup, opposing pitchers could dance their ways around Teixeira.

Since May 3, though, Teixeira has really turned it on. He’s 16 for his last 49 (.327) with 5 HR and 14 RBI. In the middle of the hot stretch, the Yankees welcomed Alex Rodriguez back to the lineup, and while A-Rod is still feeling his way through his first few games, Teixeira has enjoyed the protection. He is hitting .367/.444/.767 with A-Rod behind him, and Saturday’s win was all about Mark and Alex.

The Yankees downed the Twins 6-4 in 11 innings on Saturday as Mark Teixeira went 4 for 4 and Alex Rodriguez slammed a walk-off two-run home run into the left field seats. It was the Yankees’ second straight walk-off win and fourth consecutive victory as the Bombers continued their Bronx dominance over the Twins.

Early on in the game, Joba Chamberlain was the story. Chamberlain was coming off of two strong starts. He had given up 7 ER over his last 11.2 innings, and all of those runs scored in the 1st innings of their respective games. So the Yankees had Joba “pitch” the first inning in the pen. He threw 15 extra pitches during warm-ups and came out firing blanks. He sailed through the first and struck out two.

I have to question the utility of the extra warm ups though. Two games of first inning struggles does not a trend make, and Joba’s success today could be the result of the warm ups or it could just be a result of better pitching. If the pitches the Yanks have Joba throw in the pen are going to limit his ability to go deeper into games or deeper into the season as a starter, then this plan does not benefit the team.

Anyway, Joba, averaging above 93 and maxing out at 97 with his fastball today, was in line for a win when he left after six strong innings. While he walked too many Twins, he struck out six and gave up just three hits. It was 3-2 Yanks when Jose Veras came in. Veras lasted one out — and three batters. So with two on, Phil Coke cleaned up Jose Veras’ mess.

It was then that Joe Girardi made what I considered to be a bad decision. With Joe Mauer and Justin Morneau up in the 8th, Girardi stuck with Coke while Mariano Rivera, one of the game’s all-time best relievers, watched. Coke retired Mauer and gave up the lead on a Morneau home run. Eventually, Coke gave up another run as well.

The story gets worse. On a two-out Mark Teixeira RBI, the Yanks tied the game in the 8th, and then Mariano pitched a scoreless 9th. When the Yanks didn’t pull it off in the 9th, Rivera pitched the 10th as well. Why could Rivera pitch the 9th and 10th but not the 8th and 9th? I know every manager would make the same move, but it still does not make much sense to me.

Anyway, the Yanks’ bats did the job. Mark Teixeira went 4 for 4 with a three-run home run, a double and a pair of singles. He drew a lead-off walk in the 11th and scored the winning run on Alex Rodriguez’s first home run at the new Yankee Stadium. All was right in the Yankees’ world.

Feel free to use this recap as your Saturday night open thread. It’s a quiet night in the world of sports, and we’ll be back later tonight with your regularly scheduled DotF.

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Ortiz coughs up another save in Tampa loss
  • handtius

    Where’s Lanny?

    • whozat

      What’s the point of posting when the Yankees win? How could anyone enjoy NOT complaining about things? I mean, the only reason to watch baseball is to:

      A) Talk about how much your chosen team sucks
      B) Whine about how all your team’s players make too much money
      C) Complain about the coaching staff, the general manager, and everyone else involved that does not play on the field
      D) Complain about all the players on the field, except the ones who kind of suck but did that one great thing that one time
      E) Speak enviously about other players on other teams

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Oh he’s been posting but not in the game threads during our current winning streak.

    • Mike R. – Retire 21

      Ma’s basement.

  • handtius

    I guess it’s safe to say that Tex should be a full time DH.


  • donttradecano

    I have a feeling the momentum from the last few games is going to start to snowball into a long winning streak. Just a gut feeling.

    • Linnea

      Your lips to Mo’s ears.

  • GG

    Great two games these last two days, lets hope its the start of something.

    Lackey got ejected in the LAA TEX game on the second pitch of his outing….I don’t know where he hit Kinsler, but seems kind of crazy to me.

    • Charlie

      apparently he threw behind him 1st pitch and then nailed him on the next one. if it was intentional, then lackey’s pretty stupid

      • GG

        ejection on the first batter seems absolutely nuts to me

        • whozat

          John Lackey has great control. He throws behind a guy, and then hits him on the next pitch…if there was something that happened in the game yesterday, I can understand why an ump would toss him in that case. And I can only assume that Lackey did it because something DID happen last night.

          • GG

            I still think its a terrible call by the ump…if something happened which it probably did, thats the game correcting itself through the retaliatory actions of today’s SP. You issue a warning to both pitchers, and the next time they are out. To throw a guy out first batter in an effort to make a statement that your not going to put up with this crap, is totally unjust (to me at least). Lackey should have been allowed to make that statement, on the first batter if thats his choice. The guy takes his base, Lackey gets his warning and its done. This is the ump impacting the game in a way he should not have the liberty to do.

            • Evan

              I disagree. Lackey had one pitch to hit Kinsler, he missed.

      • whozat

        Wow. Yeah. I mean, hey John…it’s not like your team is hard up for starters or has a bullpen that is even tolerable.

        Did something happen during that 5-run late-innings Texas outburst last night?

        • Arman Tamzarian

          Wasn’t Kinsler the one that Jenks threw behind, then proceeded to brag about?

        • andrew

          Kinsler hit 2 HR’s yesterday, but I didn’t see/hear of anything in particular other than that.

  • John

    Since close games, especially when we are down, shave years off of our lives, do walk-off wins add some years back on, as we gain extreme happiness and relieve all of the world’s tensions and stress?

    • thurdonpaul

      yeah, i believe they do :)

  • Charlie

    Think there’s a chance that we’ll get rid of Angel berroa already? The dude is completely useless to this team now. Veras’ time has come too, he really sucks

    • whozat

      Yeah, I’m off the Veras train. He’s so seductive, because he can be so good when he throws strikes. But he’s just incapable of doing that with any kind of consistency.

      As soon as Robertson is eligible to come back, I think he’s gotta be called up in Veras’ place. DFA him.

      • Slugger27

        i think id rather dfa edwar, he has less potential and lower ceiling than veras… that being said, im sick of looking at both

        • whozat

          Don’t have to DFA edwar. They can just send him to AAA.

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Here’s my thinking, though:

          If the Pirates will give us Romulo Sanchez for the DFA’d and soon to be freely available Eric Hacker, who is 26 and has never ever retired a single ML batter, wouldn’t somebody give us something for Jose Veras?

          He’s only making 432k, he’s only 28, and he throws strikes on occasion. You mean to tell me the Nationals wouldn’t give us a single mid-level prospect for Jose Veras? He’d instantly be like the second best guy in their bullpen.

  • zs190

    I’m probably alone in this but I don’t disagree with Girardi on this.

    Mo can’t come up and pitch the 8th every time 2 good hitters come up to bat in the 8th, he’s 39 and can’t pitch 2 innings very often. He did end up pitching 2, but I think Joe really did not want to use Mo for 2 innings there.

    With Bruney out, Coke is probably his second best reliever in the bullpen. He’s got matchups on his side as well in this case and has been pitching well, I would probably have left him in there as well. It didn’t work out, but I don’t think it was a wrong decision.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Even if that’s the case and you can’t pitch Mo in both the 8th and the 9th, then pitch Mo in the 8th and then let Aceves or Edwar pitch the 9th.

      Phil Coke is a good pitcher, I just trust him more to retire the non Morneaus and non Mauers of the world. If you bring in Mo at the start of the 8th, you’re looking at




      Mo should face the better hitters, and leave the inferior pitchers to face the inferior hitters.

  • Slugger27

    Why could Rivera pitch the 9th and 10th but not the 8th and 9th? I know every manager would make the same move, but it still does not make much sense to me.

    i gotta take issue with this. cokes job is to get lefty batters out, and both mauer and morneau are lefties. one would have to assume mo only pitched the 2nd inning cuz he only threw like 10 pitches in the first.

    im willing to bet if mo pitched the 8th and it took him 25 pitches and he was unavailable for the 9th, u would be calling for girardis head…

    again, i can see why looking at it on the surface this confused u, but when u look deeper into the situation and realize joe probably didnt PLAN on using mo for 2 innings, then it makes a lot more sense…. after all, thats why coke is there, to get those tough lefty outs before the 9th inning

    • whozat

      I can understand leaving Coke in there to face the lefties…that’s his job. But after that, Mo should have been in. Why? Because those were the toughest outs. Let someone else face the bottom of the order in the 9th; the best reliever should get the toughest outs, which today were in the 8th.

      • Slugger27

        i can understand the theory behind this, but its just not realistically ever going to happen

        managers go by the book these days cuz that way theyre not open to criticism… while im in the “mo is our best pitcher so he should pitch in the most crucial situations” camp, its just not a realistic thing to expect… the way that we know girardi is going to use his pen, i think he absolutely made the right call leaving coke in to face mauer/morneau

        • Arman Tamzarian

          Just because we think it’s not ever going to happen doesn’t mean it’s not a dumb way to manage a game. Your best against their best, it’s pretty simple, why can’t the managers figure that out?

          • Slugger27

            im not disagreeing with whozats strategy, im just saying i think its silly to criticze him knowing full well no manager would ever do that and it will never realistically happen

            that being said, youre right, mo should pitch in the most crucial situations, and today that was probably the top of the 8th

            • Arman Tamzarian

              What you really need is someone above reproach like Larussa or maybe Francona to do it, then everyone else will follow suit. Baseball’s always been a traditional sport, so you need someone who fits the tradition, but is allowed to think just a little bit outside the norm.

            • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

              That is one of the things I don’t get with baseball. Even if a strategy lowers your chances to win a game, managers stubbornly do it “by the book”. Baseball is getting smarter in so many ways, like statistical analysis, but still you see dumb things like sacrifice bunts that make it more likely NOT to score. It’s the same with bullpen management, pitching your best pitcher against the bottom of the order with a 3-run-lead in the 9th.

            • whozat

              “im not disagreeing with whozats strategy, im just saying i think its silly to criticze him knowing full well no manager would ever do that and it will never realistically happen”

              It’s not silly. I disagree completely. A decision that is questionable, given the information available at the time, is exactly the kind of decision that SHOULD be criticized. Bobby Cox, just last week, brought his “anointed” closer (mike gonzalez) in for the 8th inning to face a bunch of lefties, because it made sense. Then he used Soriano to finish the game.

              ruling out a choice because you’d get killed for it in the papers is stupid. Bringing in your best to face their best when the game is on the line is smart. Girardi chose not to do that. Do I understand WHY he chose to do that? Yes. Do I agree with him? No.

              • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

                It’s the same with NFL teams not going for it on 4th-and-short on the opposite 40 when they are averaging 5 yards per play to net get critized if it fails.

    • Pasqua

      Slugger– Good point. I inadvertently made the same one a couple of posts down without reading your remarks. Sorry ’bout that — I wasn’t trying to steal your thunder!

      • Slugger27

        not a problem, im just glad this opinion has been clearly made… girardis been under a lot of criticism this year for his bullpen use, but i think this criticism isnt fair, and thats worth pointing out

        after veras, i thought he managed the game perfectly, and he should get credit for that

        • andrew

          Agreed. It’s Mo’s job to get the toughest outs, but it’s also Coke’s job to get out lefties. If we have faith in Coke, we shouldn’t waste Mariano there and make him throw 15-20 pitches in the 8th because then we likely don’t have him come back out for the 9th. Coke didn’t do his job today, that is not Girardi’s fault

          However, I would take exception to Girardi keeping the bunt on with Jeter once it went to 2-0. I would’ve liked to see that at bat play out a little more. All in all, very few complaints today, great win.

  • Pasqua

    I mentioned this in the game thread, but I’ll re-state it here: it’s Monday morning quaterbacking to question why Rivera was in for the 9th and 10th innings but not the 8th and 9th. It’s all about pitch count there. Rivera pitched the 10th because he only threw 11 pitches in the 9th. If Girardi brings him in to pitch the 8th he has no guarantee that the inning goes that smoothly. What if Mo had to throw 25 pitches in the 8th? No way he pitches the 9th, and then what? People would be calling for Girardi’s head for that too.

    And I can guarantee you that had Rivera’s 9th inning been rocky, there is no way he pitches the 10th. In my opinion, it’s not fair to criticize the decision because to compare the situation is apples and oranges.

    • donttradecano


    • LiveFromNewYork

      Correct. And Girardi said as much in the post game and I think it’s right.

    • whozat

      “People would be calling for Girardi’s head for that too.”

      So? That doesn’t make it the wrong choice.

      • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I’d like to call for the heads of people who would be calling for Girardi’s head for pitching Mo in the 8th and Aceves in the 9th.

        If Girardi brought in Mo to pitch to Mauer and Morneau in the 8th, and then Edwar or Aceves blew it in the 9th, and Pete Abraham or George King or John Harper publicly said he should be fired for using the bullpen in that fashion, I would publicly say that those three morons should be fired for not realizing that Girardi was employing sound (albeit unprecedented) baseball strategy and he should be praised for making the right decision even if it didn’t pan out.

        • Tom Zig

          I like that strategy. Coke has been used a lot recently and had back issues not too long ago. 2.2 innings for him probably wasn’t a very good idea, but the damage was limited at least. I figured that Mo should have pitched the 8th and then send out Albie for the 9th. Kinda forgot that we had Aceves in the pen.

          A win is a win. However, the chances of us ending it in regulation would have been greater by following that strategy.

          Although it made A-rod a hero

        • thisisthedavid

          I fucks with this

  • donttradecano

    Any of you recent grads or full time students with a math background and experience with SQL, the yanks are hiring a statistical analysis intern.

    • Linnea

      Well the math was ten years ago, but I still have the SQL. Tempting! :)

  • Alex

    Hey, I have a question. Does anyone know what Joba’s innings limit is this year? I know that he pitched 100 last year so I’m assuming that it is around 150. Also, does anyone know what they plan on doing with him if he hits that number? If they make the playoffs is he only available in the bullpen? I dont know if anyone can answer these questions, but anything will help. Thanks

    • whozat

      It’s been asked a zillion times over the last three months. No one knows what the Yankees are going to do. No one even knows exactly what the limit is, but there is much speculation that it is in the mid-100s somewhere. Google for more info.

    • jim p

      Innings vs Pitch counts. I wonder which is the real thing. Last year, Joba threw 1711 pitches in one hundred innings. So 150 innings this year you’d expect 2500.

      He’s got 680 so far this year, about a quarter if we are working on pitch limit. He’s got 40 innings, again about a quarter. His pitch per innings is slightly less this year than last.

      So working it all out, he’s got about 107 more innings this year to go. 6 innings a start, maybe 13 or 14 more starts and then to the bullpen. I’m guessing. A lot depends on where Hughes (or another young’un) is at, the division race, the state of the bullpen…

      If he can get those walks down…

  • LiveFromNewYork

    The announcers wre making a big deal about it needing to feel like home at YS and I agree. It really needs to be full of fans and not just “uh gee this is the new Stadium, huh?” and the Yankees need to bear down and win at home. To make it feel like there’s no place like home.

    I hope we’re all (fans and team) warming up to the place.

    • Slugger27

      after watching the game last night, its tough to say the fans are of the “uh gee this is the new stadium, huh?” variety

      • LiveFromNY

        That’s what I meant. I think the earlier games were full of “so here we are at the amusement park” types.

    • mustang

      Agree. A few more wins like today and it will feel like home.

    • steve (different one)

      the last two games have looked pretty packed to me, and the place has sounded pretty rocking.

      seems to me that a lot of the early season issues may have been weather related.

  • mustang

    I just want to enjoy this win. After watching this team struggle it’s just nice to enjoy winning baseball. Throw in the fact that Boston is having a nightmare west coast trip and life seem a little brighter.

  • thurdonpaul

    2 wins down, 8 more to go on this homestand

  • Brandon M.

    This game was great, I was there today and the stadium was pumped!

  • Andrew W

    todays eight inning just showed how much they need bruney back

    • whozat

      Well, it showed how much they could use some more reliable relief pitching, yes. Given Bruney’s track record, it remains to be seen if he can be that guy.

      I’d like to see them commit to guys like Robertson and Melancon…Ramirez’ control deserts him too much for a guy who doesn’t throw that hard, and we all know Jose Veras’ deal at this point…he didn’t “figure it out” last year, he managed to find his control for a while, and now he’s off the wagon again. Time to cut bait. I’ll be glad to have Bruney as another option, but I’d like to see Aceves get some more innings, and Melancon or Robertson back up here instead of Veras.

      • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        but I’d like to see Aceves get some more innings,

        Me too.

        I think our most optimal bullpen pecking order, once everyone returns to good health, would be:
        LOOGY – Marte

        Meaning, we should be seeing what we can get for Tomko, Edwar, and Veras. I’d still keep Albie around, though.

        • Slugger27

          i think marte should be more than just a loogy, that guys a solid pitcher with a better and more substantial track record than anyone on that list other than mariano… i think he could be THE set up guy and is good enough to get multiple hitters out at a time including righties

  • andrew

    If the pitches the Yanks have Joba throw in the pen are going to limit his ability to go deeper into games or deeper into the season as a starter, then this plan does not benefit the team.

    Well, if we are under the assumption that Joba’s first inning struggles were a one (or two) time deal, then yes, I agree with you there. But if it’s true that those last two starts spoke to a different issue, where Joba hasn’t truly been ready to go in the first inning, then I disagree with your statement. I rather have Joba pitch 6 innings of 2 run ball than 7 innings of 4 or 5 ER. If Joba’s struggles in the 1st inning are a legit problem, I’m fine with him being more effective for an inning less.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I think the point is more, we need to find a different way to solve the “Joba doesn’t approach the first inning with the same quality stuff as the other innings” besides having him throw his first 15 pitches in a non-game situation.

      Because those first 15 pitches will undoubtedly be fatiguing his arm in some way. You don’t train soldiers to steady their aim right before they go into battle by firing some warning shots into the ground, because then they’re going into the fight without a full clip of ammo.

  • Tony

    I wasn’t watching the game, but everything I’ve been able to gather supports the thesis I’ve been crafting all season…

    Baseball’s next big drug scandal: Umpires taking the field while tripping balls

    • Tony

      able to gather about the Lackey ejection

    • steve (different one)

      last night was horrendous

  • Gary D

    Has anyone made a comment about the biggest pinhead in the world Michael Kay? One of the game’s best ever sluggers, Alex Rodriguez, approaches home plate with a tie score in extra innings and a runner on first and Kay floats the idea that A-Rod bunt???? Michael, if A-Rod takes to bunting in such circumstances, as they say, let’s take our bats and balls and go home. Let’s send in the clowns even. Why would Kay suggest such a thing? Can we perhaps send Kay, Suzyn and Sterling in a package deal for an announcer to be named later? It’s called addition by subtraction. A Rod bunt. Kay: you’re an idiot. He had to feel like a boob when, moments after suggesting it, A-Rod went yard.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Can we perhaps send Kay, Suzyn and Sterling in a package deal for an announcer to be named later?

      We don’t need another announcer; Ken Singleton can run the booth by himself, and the Cone/Leiter/Flaherty/O’Neill rotation would be fine second bananas.

      Let’s trade Kay, Sterling, and Waldman for Ken Rosenthal to be our field reporter. Hilarity would ensue.

      • steve (different one)

        i like Cone.

      • donttradecano

        I agree Singleton is great to listen to. Lets trade Kay, Sterling, and Waldman to get Kaat out of retirement.

        Singleton and Kaat FTW!

      • Tony

        I’d be up for stealing Keith Hernandez

        • Pasqua

          Singleton is kinda bland for my taste, but totally professional and tolerable. What I find funny is how Cone is a legendary lunatic in the clubhouse but is about as vanilla as it gets in the booth.

          Sterling and Waldman need to be put out to pasture. Their routine is embarrassing.

          John: “You just can’t predict this game. Anybody who tries to doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Isn’t that amazing? It is high! It is far! It is…a strikeout. I couldn’t see it from this vantage point.”

          Suzyn: [Laughs]

          You could honestly record Sterling for one game and just loop it for the rest of the year…that’s how repetitive he gets. Plus, it’s not like you know what’s going on with the game when you listen to him live, anyway.

          • donttradecano

            the whole sterling walking up to the microphone thing has to go.

          • BklynJT


            I was listening to the Matsui HR double call on 880 and was fooled once again by Sterling.

          • pollo

            Sterling: There it goes! That ball is high! It is Far! It is……A double of the right center field Wall!

            Wait, it’s caught. For the final out of the inning.

            you cannot have a worse announcer in the booth than this man. Atrocious.

        • Sweet Dick Willie

          I’d be up for stealing Keith Hernandez

          Seriously? I don’t watch the Mutts often, but I’ve never heard Hernandez offer any useful insight, just typical ex-jock blather.

          I do, however, enjoy listening to Ron Darling.

  • donttradecano

    Meth and Reds blackout 2>>>>>>>>>>relapse

    for those who care.

    • andrew

      Not a huge fan of relapse… I prefer his older stuff. That voice that he does a bunch of his tracks is just plain annoying. Still has some solid songs though.

  • donttradecano

    TwinsBleeder wrote:
    I think the Yankees could have a losing record at home in that big, sterile, unimaginative, jet-stream having f***-ugly ballpark that looks identical to the old one except that there are padded seats that cost $2000 for one game. I guess you got a rag on the dome while you can because it’s almost garaunteed that Target field will have more character, and will be a lot more fun to go to than “new” Yankee stadium.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Not that I’d recommend arguing with him, because you don’t want to argue with an idiot, but Target Field is being build by the exact same company that built YS3 (Populous, formerly HOK Sport), and the sketches look pretty freaking identical to the sloped open air promenades of YS3.

      • Chris

        They also designed Tropicana Field and PNC park, so who knows what you’ll actually get from them.

        On a side note, I saw that they’re going to have a heated playing field. I know it’s cold in Minnesota, but it’s not that cold.

        • whozat

          PNC park is the one in Pittsburgh, right? I thought it was considered to be a nice park.

          • Matt-Pitt

            I’m a Yankees’ fan that goes to college in Pitt and I’ll tell you tht PNC Park is absolutely gorgeous.

        • BklynJT

          Yes, yes it is that cold.

  • Moose12


    Hindsight is 20/20 bro – no one in there right mind would put Mariano in for a 2 inning save, during a May game, just because they have a one run lead and 2 good hitters are coming up. Thats what you have relievers for, especially left handed relievers like Coke. If you can’t use Coke in an inning when you have a one run lead and 2 good left handed hitters coming up – when can you use him?

    Phil was off today and made some real bad pitches, but that doesnt mean that Girardi made a mistake by not going to Mo to srart the 8th inning – no one does that.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Phil was off today and made some real bad pitches, but that doesnt mean that Girardi made a mistake by not going to Mo to srart the 8th inning – no one does that.

      Ben’s point was, maybe someone should start doing that.

  • Victoria

    Why could Rivera pitch the 9th and 10th but not the 8th and 9th?

    This may be a direct quote from yours truly.

  • carl

    8 and 9th 9th and 10th it doesn’t matter. We just won in walk off fashion. If Coke does his job we win in the 9th. It didn’t happen so we win in the 11th.

    • andrew

      It sorta does matter… a lot. We can’t guarantee ourselves an ARod walk off home run in 11th every time Coke blows the game…

      • carl

        Mo wanted to come back out for the 10th. Here’s his quote.

        “They had the heart of their lineup,” Rivera said, explaining why he wanted to pitch the 10th. “That’s my job, to go back there again. I think it worked.”

        Im sure if we were playing Boston he would have been pitching in the 8th.

        • andrew

          That’s pretty irrelevant to you saying it doesn’t matter.

  • donttradecano

    Can I have Petes job? Is going to bring this up everytime Arod gets a hit?

    • Thomas A. Anderson

      Wonder why he doesn’t make this post after every Andy Pettitte start.

    • NaOH

      Really, what’s wrong with Abraham’s piece? He expressed his opinion about athletes who are caught using PEDs and how it impacts his perceptions as a fan. It’s an opinion piece on a blog, and what he wrote was well done, regardless of whether i agree or disagree with him. It seems more common that people are jumping on an anti-Peter Abraham bandwagon instead of looking at what he writes.

      Let’s not forget, here’s what he wrote during his game thread from the day Rodriguez returned. That was the other time Rodriguez hit a home run, so maybe it answers your question about whether or not Abraham will “bring this up everytime Arod gets a hit.”

      “It’s like a movie. One pitch and he crushes a three-run homer.”

      “A-Rod will be the story of this game and rightfully so.”

      And the next day he wrote these words:

      “With Jorge Posada and Xavier Nady out and Mark Teixeira having lost the ability to hit (temporarily, one would assume), the Yankees obviously need A-Rod back in the lineup and he delivered last night. It was a Hollywood moment.”

      But, yeah, it’s easier to simply rail against a writer who does excellent reporting work even if his opinions don’t always match those of others.

      • Tony

        At some point a large portion of the RAB community decided it was cool to be ARod fanboys. Meanwhile, every other type of fanboy is ignorant and uneducated.

        • NaOH

          If you think I’m being a Rodriguez fanboy, then I don’t think you understood what I wrote. And if you’re not thinking that, then I didn’t understand what you wrote.

          • andrew

            I think Tony was explaining why many RABer’s get so angry when Pete lashes out against ARod. That being said, I think most people are getting tired of the steroid articles and just want to watch baseball…

            • LiveFromNewYork

              Right. I’ve never been a huge Arod fan but I am a Yankee fan and I’m tired of Pete Abe’s invocation of the steroid mess.

      • donttradecano

        Thomas said it correctly. Why doesnt he make the same points after every Pettite victory? Or how about when he pettitioned for Giambi to get into the All Star Game?

        Its clearly and anti-Arod bias. He even said Selena Roberts should be given the benefit of the doubt on her anonymous sources. Comon. Being right once doesn’t give you the benefit of the doubt.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Pete is acting like A-Rod was the only offender. A-Rod did it like in 2002 when the whole league was doing it. We don’t know 100 other players who used it and were on the list. Frankly Lanny >>>>>>>>>> PeteAbe.

      • Slugger27

        Frankly Lanny >>>>>>>>>> PeteAbe

        u take that back!!

      • Tony


        He even addresses that exact point in his post. Other players’ use is irrelevant.

        • JobaWockeeZ

          Irrelevant? A-Rod wasn’t the only offender nor was he the only Yankee offender. He takes shots at A-Rod for whatever he does wrong. He hits a flyball and he says “maybe he’s missing something” insinuating that A-Rod can only hit a HR with PED’s. It’s obvious he doesn’t like A-Rod as much as a another Yankee which is okay because he is entitled to his opinion. But if he claims he is iffy with a PED user, why isn’t there shots of Andy Pettitte whenever he pitches? Unless of course you can prove me wrong then I’ll STFU.

          • whozat

            Did you READ the post?

            He started off by talking about his favorite football player from his favorite team, who was ALSO caught using PEDs. He admitted that he really doesn’t know what to feel about it, and asked Yankee fandom how they’re dealing with the same situation.

            • JobaWockeeZ

              Yeah I did. If he is conflicted with A-Rod winning the game why isn’t he conflicted whenever Pettitte pitches? Was he conflicted when Giambi drove in a run last season? Based on the comments, no. He can bash A-Rod all he wants; that’s his opinion. He’s probably disappointed in A-Rod because A-Rod was baseball’s savior that if he broke the HR record, it would be free of PED’s. So now Pete is mad and he can be. But my question is why not share his disappointment to other Yankees?

              • whozat

                He is conflicted about RODNEY HARRISON.

                He knows few Yankee fans were conflicted about Pettitte or Giambi, mostly because they just aren’t such polarizing figures.

                ARod is different, and Yankee fans might actually care. Many seem to.

                Pete Abe isn’t a Yankee fan. He doesn’t care. He’s not invested in the Yankees winning or losing. I don’t think he LIKES ARod. In fact, I think he dislikes ARod. However, I think that people are overreacting to this post.

                • JobaWockeeZ

                  If he wasn’t conflicted about A-Rod then he wouldn’t write the post. He doesn’t know to cheer for A-Rod or not, that’s being conflicted to me whether he sued the exact word or not. It’s perfectly understandable. I’m not bashing his opinion. It’s obvious he dislikes A-Rod which is again okay. But apparently he never wrote a post asking if it is okay to root for Jason Giambi when he hits a home run. In fact I heard he was passive to Giambi and wanted to forgive him. Why doesn’t A-Rod deserve that?

                • whozat

                  “He doesn’t know to cheer for A-Rod or not”

                  Here’s how he starts the post:

                  That ball A-Rod hit today was crushed, a no-doubter off the bat. But would you have rather somebody else won the game?

                  Here’s why I ask. The Patriots are my favorite team in the NFL and safety Rodney Harrison was one of my favorite players. But when he was suspended for HGH in 2007, I wasn’t sure how I felt.

                  Peter Abraham






                  Hence, he doesn’t care about cheering for ARod or not. He does, however, care about cheering for Rodney Harrison. He is using this parallel to feelings that his readership might be having right now towards ARod.

                  I think that Pete dislikes ARod, and I think that sometimes his analysis is wrong. However, people are really getting their panties in a bunch on this one for no reason.

  • GG

    Have you guys heard from A-Rod’s team yet?? Apparently, he is very disappointed, he wants the name of the blog post to be the Alex and Mark show, not the Mark and Alex show

  • manimal

    Anyone think the Mets could be interested in Juan Miranda? They need a firstbaseman but they do have other options.

    • Slugger27

      i think miranda is cuban… im sure omar could find a place for him

    • whozat

      What do the mets have that the Yankees want?

      • VO

        Ill take Santana

        • Mike Axisa

          He’d really solve the 8th inning problem.

          • VO

            Exactly, he can definitely handle the 7th with CC,then CC for the 6th, AJ for the 5th, Joba for the 4th, Wang 3rd, Pettitte the 2nd, and we have Kei Igawa start.

          • Joey

            Only if they throw in Beltran and Wright to PH. Greatest bench EVA!!11!!!!!1!!!111!

  • George G

    Just a quick thought… Has John Sterling given it ANY thought that usually when A-Rod is in the line up, Hideki Matsui hits right behind him… and it’s really in poor taste that every time A-Rod hits a home run, Sterling shouts “An A-Bomb, from A-Rod”…

    • whozat

      Guess who’s not listening to Yankee games on the radio?

    • Slugger27

      no… and neither does anyone else

      it was 70 years ago

    • VO

      Your thinking way too far into it.

    • LiveFromNewYork

      Yeah I’m sure Hideki is listening to whatever John Sterling says as he’s standing in the on-deck circle.

    • Zack

      Isn’t calling him Godzilla scary to the Japanese viewers?

  • LiveFromNewYork

    I wish Michael Kay would stop calling Mourneau and Mauer the M&M boys. That is blasphemy in the Empire.

  • susan mullen

    I love listening to John Sterling and Suzyn Waldman. Having listened to most other teams’ radio guys on satellite I find them horrifying and for the same reasons. If anyone has a problem with Sterling’s calls, you’ll find much worse versions on other teams. And most newer guys are carbon copies in terms of their presentation. They shriek 3 octaves above their speaking voice, whereas Sterling uses a conversational tone. Worse, they chirp, moving their voice in a sing song pattern so every other syllable is 3 octaves up followed by 3 octaves down. This may be to make listeners think the game is exciting–they’re always aiming for “the casual fan.” I tried to listen to the Mariners Rick Riz (spelling may be off) tonight and had to turn it off. He had the exact checklist of voice affectations. Impossible to listen to. Dave Niehaus is quite listenable but most new guys are like Riz. I heard one guy screaming with delight and happiness today because a ball had skillfully been caught and a player from his own team–the one he announced for–had easily been thrown out at first base. If one of his own players had hit a walk off grand slam he could not have sounded happier. This is what awaits you.

  • SweeterThanJeter

    piece on Mark Teixeira

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