Sep
02

A-Rod may not need second hip surgery

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When word got out in March that Alex Rodriguez had a torn labrum in his right hip, it was just another pile-on moment in a forgettable offseason for the beleaguered star. Rumor had it that he could miss most of the 2009 season as he rehabbed from surgery, and of course all the “he’ll never be the same” talk got started. Then came the news that an alternative, hybrid procedure could be performed to minimize the recovery time and get the Yanks’ cleanup hitter back in the lineup sooner rather than later.

This hybrid procedure came with the caveat that Alex would eventually have to undergo the more extensive surgery this coming offseason, and everybody was pretty much fine with that because Alex would be back sooner. They were also watching Chase Utley OPS over 1.000 early in the season after he had the same procedure last winter. As it turns out, A-Rod might not need that second surgery after all. To quote Bryan Hoch’s report:

“I don’t want to jinx us, but there is a very good chance we can use conservative treatment,” Dr. Marc Philippon told the New York Post. “We will take our time and look at all the variables, but I am very optimistic and happy.”
. . .
Rodriguez, who has benefited from regularly scheduled days off this season, told The Post on Monday that it was “80 percent no; 20 percent yes” that he’d need offseason surgery.

Obviously, avoiding surgery is the preferable path. You don’t just cut into a world class athlete, especially a major joint of a super expensive athlete, unless you really have to. Yeah, it stinks that he needs more rest now than he did before, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. He’s been hitting like his old self for over two months now (.310-.423-.548 since the end of June), and his defense – which has certainly declined post-hip injury – is tolerable. If the options going forward are a) have the second surgery and hope it heals well, and if not who knows what, or b) not have the second surgery and give him some extra rest every week or two, I’d take the latter every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

After all that we’ve witnessed and all that he’s been through in his five plus years in pinstripes, it’s almost hard to believe that something like this could actually be going A-Rod’s way. I’m certain Dr. Phillippon and the team will do whatever is in the best interest of Alex Rodriguez now and his career going forward, and if that doesn’t require another surgery, then fantastic.

Categories : Injuries

156 Comments»

  1. Makavelli says:

    Isn’t 80% No, 20% Yes…more than a “chance” he may not need off-season surgery? Normally at that point you would say there’s a “chance” that he may NEED off season surgery…

    • Ed says:

      Well, the original plan was to have 2 surgeries, no doubt about it.

      The current thought seems to be that he’s doing much better than expected, therefore, the odds are good that he won’t need the second surgery. But until the season ends and they do extensive tests to be sure, he should still plan on having the surgery.

      • Dela G says:

        agreed

        i don’t see why not have the second surgery immediately after the season and rehab to his old form like chase utley did

        • Ed says:

          Risk/reward.

          Surgery doesn’t always go as planned. Complications may come up after the surgery (see Eric Gagne’s nerve issues). You really don’t want to have unnecessary surgery.

  2. Jake H says:

    If he doesn’t have to have the other surgery that is huge.

  3. Makavelli says:

    So why are his numbers down? Are we insinuating that after this season and the off-season rest…he’ll be at-least close to 100% so his numbers will be much better? Not that they’re terrible right now…but Matsui and Arod have almost identical numbers where in the past…Arod was head and shoulders above everybody else.

    • Makavelli says:

      Yeah the past 2 months he’s been hitting like his old self…I see it.

      I guess we can assume then. He just doesn’t look the same to me when I watch him play. Those numbers may be there but I still see a different player…perhaps because he has a different attitude and is somewhat silent and distant from the media these days?

    • Had A-Rod played in 162 games and hit at his current rate, he’d be on pace for 38 home runs and 117 RBI. He had a terrible slump at the beginning of his season and didn’t really hit his stride until the Yanks started giving him and his hip some regular rest. I’m not too concerned about his numbers.

    • Johan Iz My Brohan says:

      A-Rod jumped straight into the season with no spring training, he had to adjust himself to hitting major league pitching again while he was still only months removed from surgery. He wasn’t getting the recommended rest that he was originally prescribed either. Take a look at his more recent numbers and you will see the actual A-Rod.

  4. Zack says:

    “b) not have the second surgery and give him some extra rest every week or two, I’d take the latter every day of the week and twice on Sundays.”

    If they only had a 1-2 game lead, or if they were in second would the feeling stay the same about giving him a day off every week?

    • Johan Iz My Brohan says:

      Yes, this offense is potent even without A-Rod (despite the record before A-Rod was brought back into the lineup, not everything then was clicking though).

  5. pete c. says:

    The guys playing great considering he missed ST and a chunk of the season. But doesn’t he look like it hurts like hell when he runs. Just saying, plus he never was a burner, but he looks slower too. And no I don’t have his times from last season as compared to this season.

    • Rick in Boston says:

      If it’s true – and I’m not saying it is or isn’t – it’s probably because he’s not pushing himself as hard as he can. A-Rod has proved to be an excellent base stealer in the past, and the downside of a hip injury would be the decreased speed.

  6. Jim the Jew says:

    Arod has been a liability at 3B this season. Hopefully he gets the second surgery and comes back better, or the off-season does him good. Youk has been better or around the sames quality defense at third this year, and he is naturally a first baseman!

    • Dela G says:

      man, the crap you’ve been spewing today is incredible

      you need to take trolling 101

      • Jim the Jew says:

        How is it crap? You can honestly say that Arod has been better than average defense at third this year? Or that he is much better than Youk defensively?

        His bat has been very good lately, I’m just talking about his defense.

      • Well, to be honest, Rodriguez has been pretty crappy on the field, though it is understandable.

    • Zack says:

      Career Minor League Games
      1B: 59
      3B: 340

      you = fail

    • Thomas says:

      Youkilis is naturally a third baseman (he played the majority of his games in the minors at third), the Red Sox just moved him to first. Also, Youkilis at third this year has a worse UZR/150 of -8.9 (in 44 games) to A-Rod -7.2, though Youkilis UZR/150 was over 22 last year in 36 games. However, Youkilis does have a better wOBA, of course A-Rod’s numbers are hurt by a bad start.

    • Johan Iz My Brohan says:

      Actually, Youk is a natural 3rd baseman, not 1st baseman.

    • Tom Zig says:

      The stats says otherwise

      A-rod at 3B: -7.2 UZR/150
      Youkilis at 3B: -8.9 UZR/150

      Thanks for playing though.

    • For the record, not taking a shot at anyone, just putting the numbers up for everyone to see:

      A-Rod UZR/150 @ 3rd: -7.2
      Youk UZR/150 @ 3rd: -8.9

    • jsbrendog says:

      youkilis is a 3b they moved to 1b because they had this guy named lowell doing a bangup jb at the time….

      nice try though.

      Alex rodriguez uzr\150
      2009: -7.2
      2008: -3.2
      2007: 2.3
      2006: -12.4
      2005: 0.2

      draw from that what you will…

      Youk has been better or around the sames quality defense at third this year, and he is naturally a first baseman!

      this only furthers my theory that you have no idea what you are talking about, do no research, and have zero credibility

      (go ahead, i’m kicking that ad hominem red herring’s ass)

      • Jim the Jew says:

        Fine I’ll use your crazy stats:
        Youk since 05 at 3B: 7.9 UZR/150
        Arod since 05 at 3B: -1.5 UZR/150

        Yeah i have 0 credibility for being right

        • Tom Zig says:

          UzR iS tEh CrAzY sTaTs!1!!!!!111

          • Jim the Jew says:

            Oh so now I post something that backs up my argument and you make fun of me using a stat that you used. That is fair.

            • Tom Zig says:

              No, I just laughed because people tend to hate on UZR for no reason other than being unfamiliar with it.

              • radnom says:

                There are plenty of reasons to hate on UZR once you’re familiar with it.

                People who use it as the sole point in an argument tend to fall in the middle ground.

        • Rick in Boston says:

          No, you shot your credibility when you said Youkilis was a natural 1B.

        • JobaWockeeZ says:

          How many games did Youk play at 3rd since 2005? My B-Ref skills epically failed me.

        • jsbrendog says:

          you don’t even know what position the guy is a “natural” at.

          and again, those youk stats are in a small sample size because again, they have this guy named mike lowell.

          2005: 24 games at 3b
          2006: 16 games at 3b
          2007: 13 games at 3b
          2008: 36 games at 3b
          2009: 44 games ar 3b

          and 7.9 uzr/150 since 2005?

          2005: 3.4
          2006: -7.7
          2007: 6.9
          2008: 22.6
          2009: -8.9

          combine those and they don’t come out to 7.9

          • Jim the Jew says:

            UZR/150 is a rate, not a counting stat. Yeah, i just looked that up. That is what the “/” symbol means. Nice try though.

            • jsbrendog says:

              fair enough. you have 1 point. and all it took was for you to be wrong on msot everything else to do some research.

              well done. i see improvement.

          • Thomas says:

            He got the 7.9 from Youkilis’ career value, which goes from 2004-2009. For 2005-2009, it is 2.1, so Youkilis has dropped off significantly since becoming a first baseman pretty much full time.

        • Chris says:

          Fine I’ll use your crazy stats:
          Youk since 05 at 3B: 7.9 UZR/150
          Arod since 05 at 3B: -1.5 UZR/150

          Yeah i have 0 credibility for being right

          Doesn’t this counter your assertion

          Hopefully he gets the second surgery and comes back better

          If Youkilis has been better at 3B since 2005, then wouldn’t we expect that to continue this year? If A-Rod is just as good as he’s always been defensively (and also at the plate) then why push for a surgery that is apparently not needed?

    • Good grief. I’m sorry, but you guys are all making Jim the Jew a very sympathetic figure in this conversation, and that’s not easy to do. He said:

      “Arod has been a liability at 3B this season. Hopefully he gets the second surgery and comes back better, or the off-season does him good. Youk has been better or around the sames quality defense at third this year, and he is naturally a first baseman!”

      His biggest crime in that comment? Saying Youk is “naturally a first baseman,” when what’s really true is that Youk was originally a third baseman who moved to first to accommodate Lowell and who really is adept, and “natural” if you will, at both first and third base. Other than that he didn’t say anything so crazy. A-Rod hasn’t been so great at third this season. Youk hasn’t, either, they’ve been pretty similar in the field… but JtJ said Youk’s been better or just about the same as A-Rod, so it’s not such an egregious, ZOMG YOU’RE TEH SUCK kind of mistake.

      Nothing else he said is that crazy, but everyone’s in such a rush to crap on him that you’re all way overstating the arguments against him.

      • Jim the Jew says:

        Thanks. I may not be able to make the best arguments because I go by what I see, but it seems like people were waiting to put holes in every single one of my sentences. People are even going as far as selectively quoting what I say.

    • Makavelli says:

      See, I understand going after this guy…he generally doesn’t know what he’s talking about. But I never claim to know the answers…I offer possibilities and then a riot ensues. Maybe I’ve just reached celebrity status in here and everybody wants to be a part of it? Who knows…

  7. bigpinklips says:

    In a related story, A-Rod will resume his collagen lip treatments shortly after the season ends.

  8. Tom Zig says:

    Does it count as off topic if I say hey guys I love the magic number addition?

    How about that A-rod fellow and maybe not needing hip surgery? Sweet deal.

  9. mryankee says:

    AS Michael Madsen said in Reservoir Dogs”You kids shouldn’t play so rough someone is going to start crying” Mr Blonde

  10. Jim the Jew says:

    All I am going to say is Tex was in the minors as a third baseman and moved to first in the majors. If next year he played a full season at third and was better than Arod defensively that is a bad indicator of Arod’s defense. Youk was a third baseman full time years ago. For him to play at third this year and be nearly as good as Arod is not good. Arod is a bottom 5 third baseman defensively for players with more than 500 innings fielded.

    • Well were you expecting him to be good in the field this year after hip surgery?

      • Jim the Jew says:

        No. Which is why I said way back that I hope he has the second surgery or recovers somewhat in the offseason.

        • Yeah, the surgery doesn’t bode well for fielders. Lowell’s been crappy this year and even Utley’s fielding has suffered this year. Ha, wow, it’s ridiculous that he’s at 8.7 UZR/150 and that means his fielding has taken a 12.7 point HIT. I effing love Chase Utley.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Except he was good defensively before the hip surgery. FWIW almighty defensive Mike Lowell has a -11.3 UZR this year having nearly the same injury as A-Rod. His UZR before that was 11.1

      His bat still makes up for it.

    • jsbrendog says:

      cept youkilis came up in 04 and played 65 games at 3rd and has payed there a little every yr since. he has not been a 1b only.

      this means that he has bene able to keep his skills up and i would be willing to wager that he practices at 3b in the offseason too because they might need him or to at least keep his versatility. i could be wrong on that but i wouldnt doubt it…

      PLUS teixeira has not played 3b since 2003. you are trying to compare apples to oranges, or trying to put the square peg in the round hole

      • Rick in Boston says:

        Let’s also not forget that if Tex had gone to Boston, Youk would have been the Sox #1 choice for 3B. So he definitely preps to play there, in fact I wouldn’t be shocked if he takes grounders there during BP to stay sharp.

      • Jim the Jew says:

        “i would be willing to wager that he practices at 3b in the offseason”

        That seems like blatant speculation for your argument. I bet Mariano Rivera practices being a catcher during the offseason to maintain versatility. Oh no, I made a hyperbole, don’t overreact.

        • Rick in Boston says:

          Considering how much he plays 3B each year and the fact that it was reported heavily by the Boston media that he would move to 3B permanently if a long-term 1B came to Boston (re: Tex), then it wouldn’t be too far-fetched to say that he does practice the position.

      • Ha, remember when people were advocating for Tex to play 3rd this season with Swisher at first?

    • Bo says:

      So lets get this straight because its tiresome.

      A guy coming off hip surgery isnt having a Gold Glove season on the field?

      Thanks for the great analysis.

      I think we all can agree hes hasnt been Brooks Robinson. Thanks Jim.

  11. mryankee says:

    Yeah I expect someone making 252 Million dollars to be good in the field. I would expect any professional baseball player tobe good in the field. If your healthy enough to be out there your healthy enoughto be productive.

    • Chris says:

      A-Rod is productive.

      In a vacuum, you would always prefer a player that is better defensively. just like you would always prefer someone that is faster, or a pitcher that walks fewer batters. The problem is there is rarely a player that is productive in every aspect of the game. The goal is to get the player that overall is the most productive. Sometimes you are willing to take a hit on defense because a player is great offensively (like with Jeter – the last 2 years excluded), and sometimes you take the hit on offense because the player is great defensively (like Gardner).

  12. bonestock94 says:

    How do we know his diminished defense and need for rest is a permanent side effect? It’s only been a few months since he had surgery on a major joint, I don’t think I would be off base by saying that it’s a long recovery to get back to 100%.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Agreed.

    • mryankee says:

      Mike Lowell who is older than AROD should not be having amore productive year after having the same surgery. Oneis hitting over 300 and one is well below. I am sorry but that is sad for AROD.

      • Klemy says:

        Are we going to have to have the batting average argument again? The average is not that important.

        • mryankee says:

          How do you figure? I would say a 300 hitter with relatively the same power numbers which lowell has is more productive than a 260 hitter. Especially one who has 2 w/s rings

          • JobaWockeeZ says:

            WTF. This has straw man written ALL over it.
            Seriously what the hell do world series wrings matter? Why the hell does batting average only matter? if you knew any other stats which are more important you’d know that A-Rod is doing much better offensively.

            I seriously hate the batting average beats all mentality.

          • Rick in Boston says:

            Oh my god, my head hurts. Because A-Rod is the sole and only reason that the Yankees have not won a World Series, and Mike Lowell personally carried the ’03 Marlins and ’07 Sox to championships.

          • Klemy says:

            Batting average has nothing to do with productivity sir. It’s an overrated stat.

          • Alex Rodriguez’s power is better than Mike Lowell’s power.

            Lowell IsoP: .205
            Rodriguez IsoP: .235

            Lowell AB/HR: 23.5625
            A-Rod AB/HR: 15.3478

      • Rick in Boston says:

        A-Rod: OPS+ = 136
        Lowell: OPS+ = 114

      • JobaWockeeZ says:


        Lowell is not out producing A-Rod. A-Rod has 50 points more of OPS than Lowell. Let’s not get crazy. And if you are talking defensively they are around the same.

      • In what world is A-Rod having a less productive season than Mike Lowell?

        • JobaWockeeZ says:

          Teh batting average stoopid!

          • I’m going to throw my two cents in here, ignore me if you prefer… Sometimes these conversations tend to get a little out of hand, though, and need to be reined in.

            When you say something like “teh batting average stoopid,” you are making an ad hominem argument/attack against another commenter. That is lame. While not coming right out and saying ‘you are stupid,’ your statement has the same effect. That is not an argument nor an explanation intended to further a conversation and perhaps enlighten/educate another commenter who you think is wrong or even ignorant of certain concepts, it’s an attempt to marginalize that person by attacking their intelligence.

            Being right doesn’t give you the right to be an asshole. The rules about civil discourse around here apply to you even if you’re the person who is right.

            /End rant

    • jsbrendog says:

      plus his uzr in 06 looooooong before the surgery was -12.4

      ouch

      • mryankee says:

        One player makes about 10-12 Million older and more productive, than someone making 20-25 mill a year.

        • Rick in Boston says:

          He is not more productive. Please show me one piece that proves that Lowell is more productive than A-Rod. Please.

          • mryankee says:

            Batting Average-Lowell is over or at 300 arod is 260-Home runs and rbis-how much difference is there-I would say Boston right now is getting better value for their dollar?

        • Klemy says:

          One player had no preseason and started a month late during the season. Apples, meet oranges. Since a month after A-Rod came back, he’s been great with the bat.

          • mryankee says:

            I remeber when Arod was a 40-40 type of player and I know he is older but if your married to someone for the next 9 years and 252 you should expect better productivity.

            • JobaWockeeZ says:

              Does your selective memory make you forget he had hip surgery? And he’s still having a good season with him not being 100 percent.

            • Klemy says:

              What in the world?

              • Bo says:

                You really taking someone seriously when they say lowell is having a better yr than A-Rod?

                Really?

                Lowell has been so good that the Sox disrupted chemistry by importing another bat. They think so highly of him they tried to move a gold glove caliber 1b to 3b.

  13. Makavelli says:

    A-Rod could tranform into A-Rodimus Prime next season if he has the surgery…

    We also can’t just think about whether he’ll be fine for next year. But we have this guy for another 8-9 years roughly. Not getting this surgery now when he’s younger could have some terrible effects on him as he ages…as well as being a bigger burden trying to fix when he’s older.

    • Jim the Jew says:

      Look it’s a celebrity!!!!

    • Ed says:

      We also can’t just think about whether he’ll be fine for next year. But we have this guy for another 8-9 years roughly.

      Right…

      Not getting this surgery now when he’s younger could have some terrible effects on him as he ages…as well as being a bigger burden trying to fix when he’s older.

      Or, the extra scar tissue from a second surgery could drag him down more than the hip problem will (see Jaret Wright’s scar tissue issues while on the Yankees). Something could go wrong during the surgery, or complications may develop (see Eric Gagne’s nerve issues after Tommy John surgery). He could end up worse off.

      • jsbrendog says:

        Or, the extra scar tissue from a second surgery could drag him down more than the hip problem will (see Jaret Wright’s scar tissue issues while on the Yankees). Something could go wrong during the surgery, or complications may develop (see Eric Gagne’s nerve issues after Tommy John surgery). He could end up worse off.

        i had never considered this. this is bad news bears…so it’s kind of, well he might not need it because he has responded wel and is roughly, let’s speculate, 90% healthy by the offseason and it doesn’t make sense to risk it lioke you said….

        but then it is al;ways hanging over him and could reoccur at any minute since this surgery, while working, was only supposed to fix it temporarily no? so it’s intent was duct tape and bubble gum to tide him over til the real fix. stop me if i am wrong.

        it’s a frightening reality either way because there are so many unknowns and the one known factor is the mammoth length of his contract.

        • All of the reasons you guys discussed are the reasons why none of us really know what we’re talking about when it comes to A-Rod’s surgery/no surgery decision. We think ‘well just have the surgery and be done with it,’ but we disregard how serious and risky a surgical procedure can be, especially when dealing with an athlete who needs his body to be in near-perfect condition, and the risks surgery presents for both the near and long terms. Let’s leave it to Dr. Philipon, A-Rod and the Yankees.

          • jsbrendog says:

            so wait, are you pulling a bo here and telling us it’s pointless to discuss it and debate and share our opinions? or am i confused?

            • You know, I want to say no, but I’m not sure. I guess so, yeah. lol

              But, come on, this is a medical thing, this isn’t really the kind of thing we can discuss, is it? This isn’t like discussing future personnel plans for a baseball team. I’m not going to bother thinking too much about this, but there’s definitely an important difference here.

            • Ed says:

              Nah, I don’t think he’s going that far. I think he’s just pointing out that the most important factors in the decision are going to be ones that we’re not going to be aware of or know enough to have a meaningful opinion on.

              Bo’s a different story. We’re all (or at least most of us) capable of having a meaningful discussion of the ideal postseason rotation. Bo just disagreed on the timing of that discussion. Unless you’re thinking of something else…

        • Ed says:

          but then it is always hanging over him and could reoccur at any minute since this surgery, while working, was only supposed to fix it temporarily no? so it’s intent was duct tape and bubble gum to tide him over til the real fix. stop me if i am wrong.

          The surgery fixed things that caused him pain & limited motion, but did not fix the underlying issue. The problems that were fixed will eventually happen again if he does not have the second surgery.

          Obviously the team isn’t going to be that specific on the exact details of this stuff, but, I’ve never heard any indication of how long it would take for the problems to recur. It may take a a few years, it make take a decade.

          Also, when they planned the two surgeries, we have no idea what the expectations where. It may have been “surgery 1 lets him play this year, but he’ll need surgery 2 in the near future.” Or it may have been “surgery 1 will hopefully let him be an All Star player, surgery 2 lets him be an MVP candidate.” If it was the second option, they could very easily decide he’s recovered better than expected and not want to risk the 2nd surgery.

      • Makavelli says:

        Yeah, but even with the new surgery…he’ll have scar tissue regardless. He may have scar tissue issues with his previous lighter surgery…and/or he may have a scar tissue injury if he chooses to have the more severe surgery. One could assume the severity of a potential scar tissue issue would increase with the severity of the surgery? Not that either would be good though…

        • jsbrendog says:

          tissue issue.

          unique new york.

          the arsonist had oddly shaped feet.

          heh. tissue issue.

          ok i’m done, sorry.

        • Ed says:

          One could assume the severity of a potential scar tissue issue would increase with the severity of the surgery?

          That’s a safe assumption. Scar tissue is always weaker and less flexible than the tissue around it, so you always want as little as possible. A larger incision means more scar tissue, and obviously having a second surgery would lead to additional scar tissue.

          I can’t tell you what the odds are of him having scar tissue issues from the surgery he already had. I also can’t tell you what the odds are if he has the second surgery. But I can tell you that if he has the second surgery, the odds of him having an issue will definitely be higher than if he doesn’t have it.

  14. casey says:

    A-Rod rehabbed to get back on the field, not to fully heal.

    30 days of low impact activity and lots of stretching may be an alternative to a second surgery as long as the labrum is stable and no impingement is present that would compromise the labrum again.

    Imaging after the season will tell the story not wishing, hoping and guessing.

  15. Bo says:

    Isn’t this something that should be discussed after the season and after said player has been evaluated by the specialist?

    Speculating about this is kind of ridiculous.

  16. Tony says:

    A-Rod may not need get second hip surgery yet

  17. [...] he’d undergo a second procedure to finish the job. Yet as the season went along, Philippon sounded more confident that A-Rod would not need a second surgery. Today, via ESPN Radio’s Andrew Marchand, we learn that a second surgery will not be [...]

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