Open Thread: Old Stadium demolition photos
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The appropriately named Demolition of Yankee Stadium blog has a few new photos of the ongoing demolition at 161st Street and River Ave. The facade is gone, which is pretty sad. In related news, the demolition of old Tiger Stadium was completed Tuesday, surely a sad day for Detroit natives.
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In other Yankee news, Jerry Hairston underwent an MRI scan today on his wrist. The scan showed tendinitis in his left wrist, and he received another cortisone shot. He is day-to-day and remains on the bubble for the Yankee playoff roster. Meanwhile, the Pirates, home to the Yankee pitching retreads, claimed Anthony Claggett off of waivers. He will join Jeff Karstens, Ross Ohlendorf, Steve Jackson, Eric Hacker and Casey Erickson in Pittsburgh. That’s quite a motley crew.
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Use this puppy as your open thread for the night. The Mets are off just like the Yanks, but the Tigers and Indians square off on the MLB Network. Alex Ovechkin comes to the Garden to take on the Rangers in preseason action as well. The Devils are also playing. Talk about whatever you want, just follow the guidelines and be cool.
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Okay, I’m finished. That was a great fucking sub.
(Some new Rex Ryan KSK humor for everyone’s enjoyment.)
Thank you so much Congressman Mondesi for introducing me to
these histeric comedic stories featuring the funniest coach to
hit New York since Jeff Van Gundy (seriously, after he rode Zo’s leg in that playoff game, it’s hard not to smle at Droopy
!
Hairston on the bubble? I’ll be shocked if he’s not on the playoff roster for the first round.
He’s only on the bubble because he might not be healthy enough to play.
I was expecting much worse on Jerry. good to hear
Kenny Phillips career may be over. What a bummer.
MacKenzie Phillips. . . . . . nah. Even I can’t joke about that.
Yeah, I loved her on “So weird”!!
What?! I will be in tears if this happens.
he has patellofemoral arthitis which isnt good. worst case scenario he needs a new knee, best case its just from bone spurs.
I hope its not true, hes my favorite player.
Ugh. I love Kenny and have high hopes for him.
So while searching for athletes with patellofemoral arthritis, i saw that it is often mistaken for patellofemoral arthralgia in athletes.
Granted its more common in female athletes, but maybe thats the case here.
I recently found out that Steve Jackson is married to a girl I knew in high school. Too bad I didn’t know that until he left the Yankees.
Through her friend I heard he was pretty upset with how the Yankees called him up to the bigs but never pitched him in the two weeks he was up. Understandable, but I obviously I sympathize with the Yankees’ perspective.
this is ridiculous with the pirates. we joked around when claggett was DFA’d the pirates would get him, but they actually frickin do it again. i’m a little disappointed that cashman couldn’t get anything for him though, from his MiL numbers he seemed potentially useful. oh well
His K-rate was cut in half (!) this year. 8.4 -> 4.7 (Ok, not half, but sheesh)
So either’s he injured, or he just sucks.
So…Sean Salisbury is kinda nuts, huh?
Yeah a little. It would be pretty funny if he started a blog and just started posting pictures of AJ Daulerio drunk to get his revenge, though. He claims to have all kinds of dirt on Daulerio (and people at ESPN), so I guess we’ll see. He was probably just wasted when he wrote those emails, he seemed unhinged.
Sean Salisbury was in college station last weekend!!
I met him at a local bar. It was quite odd
ha i live in texas and laughed when he got fired from the local radio station.
Continuing with the injury theme, Giants safety Kenny Phillips is done for the year. Apparently, he has arthritis in his knee, and may require microfracture surgery. This isn’t like an ACL or MCL injury – this is a degenerative condition. The concern is not him playing this year, it’s if he’ll even be able to walk up the stairs pain-free. Really sucks for him.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....llips.html
Shit. Should have read the comments. Apologies.
Haha. I like that there were 12 comments when you posted your link and 5 of them were already discussing Phillips.
Hey, Mondesi, I just read the thread from this morning with your relegation idea. I thought you would find it interesting to know that we discussed that very idea in sports law two weeks ago, comparing baseball to the european soccer system and discussing whether it would be in the best interests of baseball to move to such a system.
Oh cool. Are you in law school? The closest I ever got to discussing sports law when I was in school was when I wrote a paper about labor issues in sports for a labor/employment seminar.
What happened in the discussion in your class? I mean, as a practical matter, it’s clearly not going to happen. Entirely too many heads would explode, and I’m not sure it’s really worth it when they have a system that, as much as I think it can be improved, works just fine for the vast majority of people. It’s an interesting idea, though. The way I laid it out this morning, they’d have plenty of playoff series and would even be keeping fans of the mid-to-lower level teams engaged, so I thought it sounded like a pretty cool system.
So if it were to start next season, how would you divide them? 15 best records in the AL, the rest in the NL? You’d also have to either eliminate or impose the DH league wide, too, right?
I don’t know… Obviously you’d have an issue that first year. I guess you could take the top 7 or 8 from the AL and the top 7 or 8 from the NL (take the top 7 from each league and then the next best team from either league as the 15th team), just so you’re not screwing one league too badly.
And yeah, I’d make the DH an MLB-wide rule.
And yeah, I’d make the DH an MLB-wide rule.
And I’m officially on board.
Even if NL execs and their fans don’t want it? You’ll still impose it on them?
Why would NL ex/fans like the idea any less than AL execs/fans? Just because I’m calling the inferior league the National League? If they had a problem with that I’m pretty sure we could figure out another way to name the leagues, that’s not really a substantive part of the plan. They’re just names.
No, the DH rule. NL execs and many of their fans don’t want that, and its very important to them.
Ahhh, my bad. Eh, it’s my hypothetical, I say the DH rules. If Bud Selig actually wants to implement this plan I’ll let him deal with telling the NL owners and fans to F off if they have a problem with it.
But its not just the owners. Many fans of the NL wear batting the pitcher as a badge of honor. They’re traditionalists and like the original game the way it was/is. I don’t know why anyone would want to impose a rule on them that they don’t want and would turn them off to the sport.
Let’s reverse this, would you like it if Tim McCarver was elected Commish and banned the DH by fiat? I wouldn’t.
No, of course I wouldn’t like it. But whichever way it goes, one group of people is going to pissed. That’s just life. I think, given the structure I laid out, you’d either have to go all-DH or all-no-DH. If some people have their feelings hurt, so be it. They’ll get over it the same way AL fans who didn’t want the DH got over it.
Dude… It’s not like MLB is going to implement my system. And if they did, this would be the least of their worries.
Well a lot of NL fans like the DH, not to mention all the traditionalists who cling to it. That might be what he is referring to.
I am in law school. The general discussion was about whether the current league setup is best for competitive balance and maintaining interest in the game. The idea was taken much as you describe it- it was seen as an interesting idea, but one that would replace a system that most baseball fans like. Also, an interesting portion of the soccer system is the ability for new teams to join the league and play their way to the top, unlike the closed system of ownership in baseball.
“Also, an interesting portion of the soccer system is the ability for new teams to join the league and play their way to the top, unlike the closed system of ownership in baseball.”
This is the only part that I think absolutely cannot translate to MLB. MLB teams have such large player development systems that I don’t think you can introduce new teams to the equation. So, unlike the Premier League, you can’t have teams from lower leagues playing their way into the inferior league in MLB. It has to remain a closed system, I think.
Agreed. That was the angle that brought soccer into the discussion (open v. closed system), but it quickly turned into a “best interest of the game”/fan experience question: would it help increase interest?
Today we spent most of our time discussing Flood v. Kuhn and the reserve clause. I love sports law. Sure beats the standard law school fare.
and that has to do with sports law how ?
We were discussing commissioner power and the best interests of the game, which spawned into a discussion of the closed system for ownership and whether that was good for the sport and competitive balance. The soccer system provides a stark contrast.
ah , ok, ty
The doctor that Jerry Hairston saw is the husband of my 9th grade english teacher.
Get OUT.
/Elaine Benes’d
I can always rely on you, Nady Nation.
Giddyup, Mondesi!
/Cosmo Kramer’d
Did anyone see how 3000 fans came to see the pirates and reds play?
YIKES!
wowwww
G20 protests were apparently very close to PNC Park. Can’t blame people for not wanting to fight through that.
Any chance Detroit having to play hard down the wire results in Verlander not lined up for game 1 of the ALDS?
hhmmm, i would think thats a possibility
Cleveland is ahead of Detroit 2-0 with Verlander pitching. But it’s only the third inning so anyhting can happen, especially with Cleveland playing.
Hope so. It would make the Tigers so vulnerable that we might force them to surrender after only 2 beatdowns!!
Wait…what? Hockey?
There were many great posts today and a lot of great comments. Great job Mike , Joe and Ben. I was too busy with work today to comment in any of them. I really feel like I lost out. I would have liked espcially to have joined the comments on the playoff system.
It was a good day today. I wonder what was different today. Hmmmmmmm.
Maybe no Yankees game?
You were a busy commenter today. Interesting idea to adopt the British soccer league structure and playoff system. I agree with you, though, that too many heads would explode if anyone seriously tried to put it in place.
No alex gonzalez?
Yeah, him and someone else. Forget it, bad joke.
You guys are a tough crowd. I’m dealing with the busy fall in the history of my company, so I haven’t been around as much as earlier in the year, but I didn’t quite see the problem with Makisupa Policeman.
You’re right, I shouldn’t have made the joke in the first place. My bad.
I got no problems with joke. Lots of you guys are here far more often than I am. He seemed like kind of a pain. Obviously to get banned he had to be a real horses’ ass.
Cool site with those demolition photos…
-Add a Wild Card team
-Make them play a ‘Play-in’ game on the off day after the season
-Leave everything else as is
-Fuck the babysitter
-Go to sleep happy
ietc
I know people roll their eyes instantly at ADDING a playoff team, but by adding a WC and making the play each other, it’s an enormous disincentive to being a WC team. Now, they get an almost equal position in the ‘crapshoot’ playoff. But by making them PLAY their way in, the WC teams are guaranteed nothing.
Also, it would force them to
-use their best pitcher
-fly to 3 cities in 3 days
-possibly blow out their bullpen if the game goes extra innings.
I would also consider the Play-in to be a playoff game (not a regular season game as it is today) and would make the teams use their 25 man ALDS playoff roster, not their expanded 40 man September roster as they do today.
All of this would be tremendous disincentive for a manager with a shot at the division to sit on his fallback position of the WC. If he does, he’s guaranteed nothing. That will make September much more interesting than it is this year, or in most years in many divisons.
Play-in games are tremendous theater, I would watch any two teams play one game for a ticket to the post season. Baseball is at its best in deciding games, this would guarantee at least two of them each October.
look at my idea down below and tell me if that floats ya boat.
Who do you think should be the starting CF next year. Thought this was a cool post.
http://www.drivelinemechanics......n#comments
Interesting article. Gardner rates a little better than I thought he would.
It is. Good read, thanks for posting it.
I actually liked exactly what Girardi did this year. I think BOTH Melky and Gardner are flawed, so I want to pick my spots with both of them and make them compete against each other for playing time. Especially in the case of Melky, since he’s seemed to get distracted at times. In Gardner’s case, he just needs to improve his game, particularly at the plate.
good article. I don’t think they need a trade for a cf. I really didn’t mind the mixed use of Grits and Melk (sounds like breakfast). Anyone think they’ll go after Cameron again, as a stop-gate?
Are you kidding me? Stark thinks the Sox rotation is the best of the postseason teams and the Yanks’ is 4th? Keep drinking the Kool-aid.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....ngs090924/
It IS Stark. I’m not surprised. ESPN actually just got worse than Fox sports and I thought that was impossible…
This was my idea from the payoff open thread. I got there kind of late so only tommie, Mondesi and Jack saw it (or maybe no one else was interested…)
I have never seen a comment section with such long posts. It’s amazing (and not in a bad way). I can’t go through all of it, because that would take a week and a half.
I really have no major issues with the post-season. I think the team with the best record should be give a little extra push at being the World Champ though.
-I would start with the 5 game series. Best team plays the worse in their league, regardless of division.
-The Team with the best record needs 3 wins to move on, the team with the worst, needs 4. This tilts the advantage toward the better record team, by attempting to remove the “lucky streak” from the scenario. In essence, it makes it a 5 game series for the better team and a 4 game series for the weaker team.
-home field in the World Series simply goes to the team with the best record.
That’s all I’d change.
I saw the post and congrats on your Axl Award.
why thank you.
You lost me at 3 wins/4 wins. Its very creative, but too unfair. Its akin to saying “Best record gets 4 strikes per batter, WC gets three”. You can’t have two sets of rules like that.
I agree completely – read my comment.
No, I don’t agree. I’m not changing the rules of an individual game, only changing how many wins a team needs to advance.
I like your ingenuity and the objective you are trying to reach with your plan. But one thing bothers me.
Let’s say the series goes to a full five games and the underdog that has to win 4 games has three wins in the series. They win the series on the field but they don’t win and don’t advance. In my book if you win, you win. It’s not conditional on differing rules for each participant. Imagine the outrage in the underdog’s press, etc.
There a are lot of things you could do to provide advantage to the team with the better record like playing the entire series in their park, taking away the DH for the weaker team, and many others that I’m sure we could all dream up. I just don’t like different rules in the same match-up governing how each participant can win.
“Let’s say the series goes to a full five games and the underdog that has to win 4 games has three wins in the series. They win the series on the field but they don’t win and don’t advance. In my book if you win, you win. It’s not conditional on differing rules for each participant. Imagine the outrage in the underdog’s press, etc.”
Obviously the series wouldn’t end with the wild card team up 3-2. The point is that the series doesn’t end until either the favorite wins 3 games or the wild card team wins 4 games. They’d play more games if the series was 3-2 wild card team.
Logic Fail – but the point remains. The weaker team already won. But they didn’t. That is my point.
I see both your points, but I find it an interesting concept. If the plans are laid out ahead of the series (obviously), why would the wildcard team complain. They know they need to win 4 games and the better record team needs to win 3. The rules of the game don’t change, just the # of wins needed.
“The weaker team already won. But they didn’t. That is my point.”
Well… No. They didn’t win. They would have won, under the old rules, but under the handtius rules they don’t win until they win 4 games. Your problem is that you’re still thinking of it as a 5 game series, when it’s not. It’s a first-to-4 or first-to-3 series, and they just play until one of the teams attains the number of wins it needs. Forget about the fifth game being the end of the series, it’s not necessarily.
exactly. it is that easy. it give the better record team an extra game to play with, if needed.
Anyone watching Flashforward, the new show on abc?
Pretty sick so far.
I’m switching back and forth bewteen the BoSox/KC game on NESN and the Tigers/Indians game on the MLB network.
is anyone else a recent college grad and still living at home with no job? holla.
Ha, yepp. You’re not alone.
Right here. *goes back to filling out apps I need to get done*
I still don’t see the hype around Clay Buchholz.
good secondary pitches, no?
But the no hitter!
But I thought that was Jason Varitek’s no hittah.
Okay my bad. It was the combined effort of the best catcher in the world and the future unhittable ace.
I think it’s because he’s got a boatload of talent. Red Sox fans could say the same thing about Joba.
Yeah, except Joba’s two years younger.
And not a laptop thief.
and is actually pitching well down the stretch (even if not blowing people away)….
But yeah, I agree, he’s been overhyped. Let’s just not forget there are unbiased scouts out there that still think he’s the shit.
And had a run of dominant starts in 2008 where he flashed top-of-the-rotation type stuff.
Let’s be fair. He has great stuff. Has he put it all together long enough to be considered consistent? No. Still, he has the potential to be an AS pitcher.
Hilarious start to the Office tonight!
Ha can’t wait to see. I’ll have to watch it later, right now I’m watching Fringe.
Couldn’t really get into that show, how is it?
It’s a great show. I’ve never been a fan of anything “Sci-fi” but for some reason I love this show. Keeps you guessing and shit.
To really enjoy it you probably need to see the first few episodes if not the whole first season. It’s the kind of show that if you just flip it on tonight you would probably be like wtf and lose interest.
+1
Hey you asshole, you gonna eat all that dogfood yourself?!
Big Bird doesn’t make the tough decisions.
The Office joke? Haven’t watched it in such a long time.
Lines from the current episode on right now. Very funny until the last scene.
Does anyone watch Sons of Anarchy?
Yes, it’s awesome, though I haven’t watched any of this years episodes yet. Day off tomorrow and I will be catching up. The ending to last season was ridiculously good.
anything with Ron Perlman rocks! Of course can top his days on Beauty and the Beast!! Loved watching that show with my mom on Sci-Fi growing up. Hmm, wonder whater happened to Linda Hamilton?
This place is like a morgue tonight.
No Yankee baseball, DOTFs,or anything else yankee-related does that to ya.
Yep. It was busy during the day wih all the terrific posts and a lot of commenters. Maybe they should have saved some of it for tonight.
Maybe they should have saved some of it for tonight
That’s what she said!
You said it was the morgue….
Sounds like my kind of night!
damn Royals, can’t you do anything right
At least they won the first two games against the BoSox. I was thinking the BoSox might win every game except Greinke’s start. So I am pleased that the Royals got two wins so far. I know a KC win tonight is a long shot tonight ut the game ain’t over yet.
Exactly. 2 out of 3 by the Royals is a huge victory. Can’t get too greedy here.
Game One of the 2000 WS is on YES. Chucky Knobs just got a sac fly to tie the game in the bottom of the ninth.
Let me know how it ends…we don’t get YES down here in the South.
Umm, the Yankees won, duh!
the yankees lose
Baaawhh!!!
/Hank Hill’d
Thank Mo for no game tonight. Had to stay up until 5:15 reading about Veblen, Marx, and Smith economics. Had school at 7 and I am ready to sleep finally. If there was a game, I probably would have watched it and be even more tired so, again, thanks Mo.
There are things I miss about college. Lot’s of mandatory reading is not one of those things. I do, however, have to take an SAT at some point for my job.
Yea, I hate it. I have 6 more chapters to read (last night was only 3 chapters) and 4 loooong (like 15 pages each) articles for Economics, 50 pages of stories for my Intl Childrens lit class, and a decently big book by next Thursday so yea Im hating it this year. And this doesn’t even include the essay and other writing homework I get.
That’s shitty. At least with English all I had to read was novels.
And I am the slowest reader in the world. Reading is my main weakness.
Books on tape.
eh, cant understand the concepts well that way and I will occasionally lose focus.
Outsource some of your homework. I did homework for others while in college and it was great.
Hard to do with reading that you need to be prepared for in class, lest you get called on and look like a fool.
There are things I miss about college.
Yup. Their names were: Carla, Danella, Daniella, Andrea, de’Adre, Sania, Lauren, Chika, Monica, Shauna, Marsha, Kim, Jennifer, Otelia, Tiffany, Krystal, Adrianne, Carol, Bergela, Stephanie, Elizabeth, Janeé, Reisha, Ronette, Taffi, Sarah, Joyce, Shona, Joanne, Lissa, Anneice, Erynn, Danielle, Unique, Ericka, Dierdre, DeAndrea, Jessica, Nadine, and Sade.
And Ted. But it was only once, and I needed the money.
Seriously though, college was hands down the best five years of my life (got two degrees, hence the extra year). However, I was definitely ready for the experience to end by time I graduated.
no Shaniqua?
Surprisingly, no. You’d think that attending college in the middle of midtown NYC, I’d have ran across a Shaniqua or two, but, negative.
Daniella and Danella were roomates; neither one had an idea. When they found out later about having me in common, it ended their friendship.
Daniella wasn’t from CT, was she?
Fuck, now you really want me to dig back in my memory banks…
She might have been. Not sure. She’s from the mid-Atlantic somewhere, but whether that’s CT-NY-NJ-PA I can’t really remember.
This is the nationwide high school class of 1995, BTW.
Heh, ok… Off by a couple of years. Knew a girl named Daniella who I’m pretty sure went to school in the city and I knew we were around the same age. Would have been funny.
Lol, it’s funny ’cause I actually did graduate from HS with a girl named Daniella.
You know, if we all started making lists of conquests, I’m quite sure a few of us would personally know some of each other’s ex’s.
Six degrees of separation and all…
Six degrees of separation and all…
http://tinyurl.com/5lpkxh
Awesome. As is:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/wh.....-retarded/
I love me some DOB
http://www.cracked.com/blog/mo.....for-jerks/
http://www.cracked.com/blog/bl.....o-suck-it/
I’m having trouble deciding if this is just a random list of girls’ names, or all of the girls you slept with while attending college.
It’s not a random list of girls names.
And the list is abridged.
how about mystique an aura ?
Tell Veblen I aspire to conspicuous consumption.
Do you like Pecuniary Emulation too?
(BTW, onspicuous consumptionwas on the quiz we had on the reading)
So, it is quiet here tonight. Desert island CD?
Mine is Elephant, by The White Stripes, with Nevermind coming in a close second, and Use Your Illusion II third.
Anyone else?
Appetite for Destruction.
Good choice- almost certainly in my top 10.
Either:
Propagandhi – Today’s Empires, Tomorrow’s Ashes
or
Strike Anywhere – Change is a Sound
Can’t go wrong with either
That’s tough. Can I have more than one?
No soup for you!
Fine, either Deja Entendu by Brand New or Pollyanna by Northstar. Flip a coin.
Abraxas by Santana
So, it is quiet here tonight.
Sorry, I just got here. I was eating a sub.
Sub?
Burrito still not done yet?
It won’t be done until the Yankees have Scott Feldman in the rotation and Joba/Hughes in the ‘pen.
The Scott Feldman one was a stroke of genius.
What if his “mea culpa” was actually a joke and he really is what he acted as?
Wait, what did I miss?
AG announced that he was a sockpuppet all along.
http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-594237
Good to know. There are enough people out there who give Yankees fans a bad name, had he been legit, he certainly would be #1.
After the sub, we’re gonna eat turkey drumsticks, drink Beam right from the bottle, sing Def Leppard karaoke, and bang 17-year-olds in the mouth.
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/p.....1/Seat.png
AND WE’RE GONNA WIN, AND THEN YOU’RE GONNA GO HOME, GRAB YOUR WIFE’S HAIR, AND FUCK HER UNTIL HER KNEES SHAKE! RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR KIDS!
All you motherfuckers are gonna pay. You are the ones who are the ball-lickers. We’re gonna fuck your mothers while you watch and cry like little bitches. Once we get to Hollywood and find those Miramax fucks who are making that movie, we’re gonna make ‘em eat our shit, then shit out our shit, then eat their shit which is made up of our shit that we made ‘em eat. Then you’re all you motherfucks are next. Love, Mike Axisa and tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside.
The Aristocrats!
http://tinyurl.com/klpkqn (safe)
Love Supreme-John Coltrane
The Extremist-Joe Satriani
Kind of Blue-Miles Davis
(and since I’m on a desert island) Getz/Gilberto feat Jobim.
Kind of Blue – no more needs to be said.
Love Supreme is so good. I’d put “My Favorite Things” and “Giant Steps” up with it.
To shake things up, I’ll toss My Bloody Valentine’s “Loveless” into the ring, along with the Stone Roses’ debut album.
Cage the Elephant by Cage the Elephant, so amazing
Or Funeral by the Arcade Fire
Your tongue is far too long
I don’t like the way it sucks and slurps upon my every word
http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Sit.....038;sr=1-1
Stuck on a desert island and only have one CD? Does it have to be a single normal album released during the artist’s lifetime, or are posthumous greatest hits albums okay?
If they are, Legend by Bob Marley.
If not, Illmatic by Nas.
No greatest hits albums, although mine would not have changed. Still The White Stripes.
Copy. If terriosts kidnapped my family and said they’d only release them if I destroyed all but one of my CD’s, I’d keep Legend, but I figured it may not qualify for your question so I thought I’d ask.
I love how terriost has become the official spelling here. I wonder if I could get spellcheck to accept it.
Just wait until they put my Terriost Threat Level Advisory System up on the sidebar.
Is that what you were talking about, was it yesterday? That’s awesome, I’m fully in support of that idea.
Yup.
ehhhhh one cd??? how bout a couple
Kind of Blue
In Rainbows
Illmatic
Rubber Soul
ONE CD ONLY, YOU GREEDY BASTARD!!!!!!
On The Mouth, by Superchunk
I’m going with the Beatles – Revolver. If you can listen to an album for 5-10-15-20 years and it’s still good, it won’t get old on a desert island.
I like the Legend selection as well. pass on the white stripes. That would be my hostage situation music, the one used to drive me out. That and Yellow Submarine. God, I hate that song
I love the White Stripes. I have everything White has ever done.
Hey man, to each there very own. To me dog shite taste like dog shite, but to you, to it might taste like prime rib.
You’re a towel!!!
Seriously, I get it. I can see how not everybody would love their stuff.
I’m kidding, shite always taste like shite, I’d know…wait, that didn’t come out right.
seriously though, I just never got into them. He’s talented and all, just not my style. I am a rather large fan of Coheed and Cambria. That would probably be somewhere high on my list, in the 2-5 range.
Continuing some earlier discussions:
The Designated Hitter (the concept, not the middle linebacker of the First Place in the AFC East New York Killing Jets) should be instituted across all leagues. The NL and one half of the NPB are the only significant holdouts.
It makes the game better. Nobody wants to watch pitchers hit. Get the hell out of the past, NL, and stop making baseball be the only sport dumb enough to have a major rule difference between half of it’s teams.
DH for everyone. You know I’m right.
Yup. I love how people talk about how much extra strategy the NL has, as if that is fun. Ooooh, strategy for strategy’s sake!! Yay, I get to see Bobby Cox make another double switch!! Wheeeeee!!!!!!!!!
There’s nothing quite like watching Tony LaRussa use four pitchers to get three outs.
+A lot.
I second that motion.
Bonus point for the owners: The players union wants the DH in the NL badly, because it’s a high-revenue position (more than carrying an extra pitcher in the NL).
So, it’s a good compromise for the owners to “give” the players during the next CBA negotiations. In exchange for the increased salary to the players, the owners get in return a greater interest in the NL teams as their level of play (and their team offenses) increase.
You’re good.
Well, genius is a pretty strong term, but, if you insist on using it, I can handle it.
Maybe part of the reason that the NL hasn’t been as good as the AL in recent years is due to roster construction? Adding the DH creates a roster construction more similar to the AL and leads to parity between the leagues? Aren’t we in the 21st century where we can avoid having a man whose trade involves little bat skills to stick to his job and not have to bat?
I also think a lot of it has to do with the front offices as well. Epstein, Friendman, Beane, etc. are truly brilliant GMs and excel at not just slapping a group of 25 guys together, but building an all around team with depth.
Who’s the smart GM in the NL? Neal Huntington? Josh Byrnes? Ruben Amaro said he relies on fielding percentage for chrissakes.
no Cashmoney?
no he has too much money and doesn’t have a clearly-once-was-a-unibrow look
Come on, who couldn’t create a winning team with a $200 million dollar payroll. Erik Aybar should be the second baseman. Oh wait, I forgot Utley.
Correct on all points.
J.A. Happ has a .256 BABIP and a 6.2 K/9. Do I smell an ERA correction for next season? However, a decent 103 tRA+ and 4.37 FIP kinda bode will for him.
=5.30 ERA in the AL.
I’m so annoyed I forgot to put him in my lineup today. Fuuuuuuuu
Man, does Ole Miss suck balls. This is the #4 team in the country? Pathetic.
Tigers bullpen should be fun in the ALDS. Work the count on Verlander and then go to work.
Who’s their closer, Jose Mesa?
Fernando Rodney – 35 saves in 36 chances but with a 3.97 era
I was just goofin.
they wish,tsjc! No, it’s the wondeful Fernando Rodney- the
man with a near 4.00 e.r.a. I swear, Detroit is a one man
team and when we beat him in game 1, the next 2 will get
ugly fast for the Tiggers from Motown!!
Are you typing this on a Blackberry from 2001?
Nah, I just love double spacing. It’s my calling card,
if you will;)
Although, I have cut down on my habitual annoyance, every now and then I fall off the laptop and double click that enticing enter button twice.
I wish Krazy Kyle was still there.
MLB network was making fun of how their co-worker, Roid
Sux broadcaster- Sean Casey, was refering to Farnsworth
as “Quadzilla”. I guess Kyle has really lost whatever
motivation Girardi has bestowed upon him last year. I kinda
feel sorry for him, that trade last July destroyed him
mentally for good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beat_poetry
Maybe I should change my name to BeatnikForeverDougie?
Okay, I just came into BBTN after flipping channels, though I heard them discussing Haap before and heard “back of the bullpen” and I noticed they just had a Phillies graphic on the set; did they actually suggest making Haap the closer for the playoffs?
Does he have the necessary “bull in a china shop” mentality?
A few great posts in Klaw’s chat today, though I’m sure they will soon be removed from the site due to the questioning of Captain Varitek’s greatness.
Thomas (Naptown)
Why is there so much emphasis on a catchers ability to call games? I mean, shouldn’t a pitcher know how to do that, anyway? And if a catcher is bad at it, can’t the pitcher, you know, just not throw that pitch?
Keith Law
I couldn’t agree more. I think in reality, it’s one of those immeasurable skills that some baseball people like to use to defend otherwise irrational decisions.
Bones (Boston)
When Brad Penny went to SF, he said he liked Molina calling more breaking balls early in counts. Obviously, many Boston writers either fainted on the spot and/or were outraged. Is it possible the Captain DOESN’T know everything?
Keith Law
Varitek is a lousy game-caller and has been for years. I’m pretty sure he lost his thumb, middle, ring, and pinky fingers on his right hand, since he calls for so many fastballs.
Keith Law
Varitek is a lousy game-caller and has been for years. I’m pretty sure he lost his thumb, middle, ring, and pinky fingers on his right hand, since he calls for so many fastballs.
http://www.hiyoooo.com/
So…
Washed up Jason Varitek = washed up Pudge Rodriguez?
No, no, wait, lemme fix that
Washed upJason Varitek >>> washed up Pudge Rodriguez?That’s better…
I just read on MLB Trade Rumors that the Cubs would take pennies on the dollar for Big Z. Do you think the Yanks would have any interest in him ?
I hope not. He’s just a crazier AJ Burnett. No need to give up players for that nutcase.
I hope not. One of the most overrated pitchers out there.
Heh. I like that you, me, and Mike all said the same thing, all at exactly 10:50 pm.
Priceless.
That was the greatest moment in RAB history.
Yeah, but, just for this era.
You just blew my mind, Mike!
That just happened!!
You just can’t predict commenting, TSJC.
IT IS HIGH! IT IS FAR! IIIIIIT IIIIIIIIIS, GON–
No, Caught!
He is a nutjob but for pennies on the dollar? Yeah, I guess I would pass also.
I hope not.
Exhibit A:
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/me.....6082866172
Exhibit B:
That is called PASSION. LOL.
I agree, I just wanted to see what you guys think and I can see that it is a big NO in the RAB community.
I wish I had more hands… so I could give Carlos Zambrano four thumbs down.
Wow, lots of love for Big Z around here.
I’ll hop on the bangwagon, just say no to dealing for Zambrano. Highly overrated.
The Cubs are a mess, too. I think Derrek Lee, Aramis Ramirez and Randy Wells may be the only guys on their 25 man I’d even consider touching, and Lee just duplicates Tex, so he’s out too.
The Cubs of today remind me of the Mets of a year or two ago: They’re talented and untalented at the same time, and the wheels have already fallen off but they don’t know it and they’re going to fool themselves into thinking that the team is good money with just a minor tweak or two when they’re already dead in the water.
Omar Minaya: Great GM or greatest GM?
I actually agreed with Fatcesa the other day when he was trashing Daniel Murphy. It made me feel kinda dirty.
Matt, I think this might help
http://www.artsforge.com/boris/soap.html
The mlbtraderumors.com source was Christina Karl at ESPN.com. But Jason Stark at ESPN.com reports today:
“Here’s another Cubs rumor you should discount: The odds of Carlos Zambrano’s getting traded might, in fact, be right up there with Ozzie Guillen’s becoming the international spokesman for Wrigley Field.
Baseball men who have felt out various Cubs officials about Zambrano say they’ve never shown any interest in dealing him, and that their front-office types claim they’ve never even brought it up in a meeting among themselves.”
So who do you believe?
I guess it would be wise to save all your chips for King Felix anyway.
The Angels should trade Kazmir for him.
The girl in that Palm Pre ad scares the shit out of me.
I agree.
She’s like the female version of Jude Law from A.I. Her skin is too smooth and clear. She looks frighteningly overperfect. It’s unsettling.
I have the Pre. It is quite awesome.
+1
Yeah, but is there a Fangraphs app for the Pre like there is for the iPhone?
Point – iPhone
I got the Pre the first week it came out. There were literally about 10 apps. Now, there is well over 100. It takes time. The iPhone has 70,000 apps and came out almost 3 years ago. There’s no reason to think that in 3 years the Pre won’t have a similar number of apps.
I have the Fangraphs app on my phone right now. In a couple of years the you might be able to get the Fangraphs app on your Pre, but I have it right now.
Again… Point – iPhone.
ha word. I don’t think it will take three years for that app. It will take that long to stockpile 70,000 apps.
I just went to fangraphs on my phone and searched around, I’m not sure why u even need an app for it.
Eh, I just think it’s cool to have a Fangraphs app. Means I can get to Fangraphs much quicker when I’m sitting on the stoop. It’s a whole new world when you have the Fangraphs app, brother. Someday you’ll see.
Verlander threw over 120 pitches again tonight. Is Leyland on a mission to destroy his arm before the end of the season?
He is on a mission to make the playoffs, Verlander be damned. With that bullpen, they needed every last pitch.
No, that will happen when he makes Big V throw 150 pitches on game 4 in 11 innings. Only to lose in the 12th, with an inside park home run by nick swisher!! It will happen….
Your comment does not make sense. It says “Game 4″.
The Tigers will not play in a Game 4 this season. The ALDS is a best of 5 series. This does not compute.
But wouldn’t it be worth to see Swish hit an inside the park homer after Verlander exhausts himself to the breaking point? Heh, I guess a game 3 shellacking of Porcello will be enough to quench my thirst.
Eric Norwood just played himself into the second round of the NFL draft, minimum. Probably the bottom of the first round.
I got a snake, man! One time I fed it some beer man! It was slithering this way and that! It was all fucked up!
I had a cat in college that liked beer. She would drink an ounce or so and stagger all over the place.
OMG!! My lovable Knickerbockers have ensured the 8th seed. Yup, get ready Celtics we just resigned Mighty Nate Robinson & David “High School Dunk Champ” Lee!!!! Yeah, things are looking up, baby!!
I miss the 90s
/ every Knicks fan in the world’d
I’ve been busy with work the last couple days and just caught up with the Alex Ganzalez admission that he was a troll. Not really a shocker. I thought he went out with class, and Ii, for one, will miss the vociferous debate and fun that his posts created.
*Gonzalez
Can we add this as part of the “Kruk-like Nonsensical Post of the Day?”
http://www.sportingnews.com/ml.....-contender
People really are drinking the Red Sox Koolaid, aren’t they? Here’s my favorite part:
Jon Lester and CC Sabathia (pitching in the) three-game series is pretty impressive. They’re quite a contrast because CC’s not pitched well against Boston and Lester’s never lost to the Yankees (3-0, 3.11 ERA in seven starts). It’ll be pretty interesting. Emphasis mine.
Hmmmm. That’s an interesting theory. Let’s test that one out shall we?
CC Sabathia vs Boston this season:
2-1, 2.95 ERA, 21.1 IP, 16 H, 4 BB, 23 K – That’s right. Four walks, 23 strikeouts.
I’m about to freak out.
At least he admitted that Mariano Rivera is the best post season closer of all time.
You’d have to be a complete jackass moron from Mars not to know that, he gets no points for that in my book
I just mentioned it as possible proof that he isn’t totally insane. He’s just another “expert” that’s terribly misinformed and spreading his ignorance to the masses.
This is the reason why Buchholz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joba, he doesn’t shit his pants everytime he’s handed a baseball.
Do you work for John Kruk?
+2
Watch Chamberlain get shat on tomorrow night, and I’ll bet that these guys will defend him and say “HE HIT 95 A FEW TIMES, AND MADE SOME GOOD PITCHES!!11!!” but won’t mention the seven walks he’ll surrender and the two homeruns he’ll allow.
Please tell me were not such homers around here that we can’t see that Clay Buchholz has been MUCH better than Chamberlain so far, Buchholz has flashed three plus pitches and he doesn’t have the VERY extensive injury history that Chamberlain does. Nor do I recall him turning into Ian Kennedy over night at any point.
http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-598650
actualy, he did for quite some time and went back to the minors, back to the majors, back to the minors…oh and he’s got some years on joba as well. look up their minor league stats and games played.
It’s undeniable that he’s demonstrably better than Chamberlain at this point.
Buchholz also had 443 innings in the minors
Joba had 88.
He also has shown some semblance of command, Joba has not. Two plus secondary pitches, Joba’s barely shown two average secondary pitches this year. Joba’s been beyond awful, like Melky 2008 levels of suck the past two months.
Again my point is that Buchholz has had more time to refine his craft. Joba has not. Give him time.
Giving him more time = Let the Yankees lose more games. He needs to start next season in AAA.
AAA batters will provide no challenge to him. He will not learn anything by getting out AAA batters.
The only thing he can benefit from the minors is building endurance. He can do that in the majors as well.
He can work on his command and build endurance when it won’t cost the Yankees games.
Have you seen the yankees record when he starts a game? I think you should look that up (spoiler: They win more then they loose).
They’re 19-10 in games he’s started. He hasn’t cost them anything.
I’m sorry you’re offended the Yankees will only win 102 games because of Joba and not 110.
…
Really? Over the past two months has he had an outing where he really contributed to a Yankee win?
19-10! Yes, he contributes and they win. what is your definition of contribution?
A quality start?
“19-10! Yes, he contributes and they win. what is your definition of contribution?”
Well let’s not AG this conversation, the Yankees’ record in the games he started doesn’t mean he was one of the reason they won those games. He certainly did help win some of those games, we know he had some decent starts. But all the overall record, by itself, really shows is that it’s not like his poor performances hurt the team this year, they still won a ton of games with him on the mound.
The fact of the matter is that the Yankees can continue to win (most likely north of 100 games) and allow Joba to learn at the big league level. He’s given them innings and they’ve won when he’s pitched. Simple as that. Yes, he hasn’t been spectacular and that’s not what I’m arguing. I’m arguing that he is learning on the job and is doing at the big league level after only 88 minor league innings. He is going to hit bumps along the way. No pitcher is an ACE from birth. Not even Koufax.
handtius – I hear you and I agree with all that.
Actually, Joba has 3 plus rated pitches. And command comes with time. Please review: 88 to 443 inning pitch in the minors, 271 to 176 inning pitch in the majors, 3.55 to 4.65 era in majors, 276 to 144 SO at the major league level, 85 to 84 (year each was born). Who looks better there?
His walk rates are absolutely abysmal. Chamberlain from 07-08 =/= Chamberlain 09, command comes with time? His BB/9 is 4.36 that’s WORST in the AL amongst qualified starters, 5th worst in all of baseball. Three plus pitches? Have you seen him this season, the stuff isn’t the same as it was back in 2007.
That…
Or maybe it’s because he’s older, had more professional experience, and a more refined repertoire of offspeed pitches.
Meaning…he has better stuff and better command; i.e. better.
no, he doesn’t have better stuff. he has learned to harness the goods he has. Joba’s raw stuff is better.
Have you watched Chamberlain’s latest shit festivals? He’s absolutely god awful.
called growing pains: 88 minor league innings.
*5.66* tRA. Worse peripherals across the board. 88 MPH meatballs.
Oh please, he does not throw 88 and you know it. Exaggerating will not get help you get your point across.
Okay okay…90 MPH meatballs, we’ve all seen them.
I hope you root for the redsox, because you sure sound like a sox fan defending laptop thief. You know, as does everyone on this board, that Joba does not through 88mph fastballs.
Omar, can we re-visit this conversation when the Angels knock Pukeholtz out of a pivotal game 3 in the 4th inning at Fenway. It’s gonna happen, and it might cause massive strokes at the Nation in Bristol.
Trust me, in a few years you’ll be eating those foolish words. And by the way how can someone, as you put it “shit his pants” when he looked good as anyone for 3 starts after the all-star break?
I swear if you show your face tommorrow when Joba dominates the Roid Sux and keeps the pinstripers in the game long enough to defeat that ever vulnerable Boston middle relief! Right, Kruk
If he dominates tomorrow night I’ll go by “Joba Rules” for the remainder of the season. If not, we all have to call for trading him.
The Yankees do not have to trade Joba if he doesn’t pitch well tomorrow night. That’s asinine.
Jesus Christ. It’s a bet, if he has a good start it doesn’t mean that he’s turned the corner either.
First of all, it wasn’t clear from your comment that you meant it as some sort of bet. Choose words more clearly to convey your feelings accurately.
Secondly, nobody said that if he has a good start tomorrow it means all is well in Joba-land. Nobody’s career hinges on one game.
Except A-Rod in October.
Nope, not him either.
Who cares about Buchholz? Sure, he’s been real good, but the Red Sox are still in second by a not small margin. You’re talking about one team’s number three pitcher and another team’s number four, if not five.
He and Joba are two completely independent pitchers and have nothing to do with each other. Why aren’t you comparing him to Luke Hochevar, or Brian Duensing, or Bud Norris?
And my word, saying Joba should be traded if he has a bad start tomorrow is so retard, I’m need even going to waste my time explaining how retarded it is to you.
Did you not see the comment where I said I was joking?
“He and Joba are two independent pitchers”
LULLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Remember how excited everyone was in 2007 when he was ranked over Buchholz and how stupid people were for suggesting that Buchholz was better? Remember that? Saying that they’re not tied to each other is ridiculous, they were at one point in time the crown jewel of the two biggest rivals in all of sports. C’mon.
Also, Luke Hochevar sucks and never had a ceiling above a three starter, I could also compare him to actual good young pitchers too, not just Clay Buchholz.
It’s entirely possible this is another alex gonzalez-type situation.
Should we treat it as such?
I think we need to raise the terroist threat level to orange.
http://tinyurl.com/y9rzs85
Seconded.
Yup. Agreed.
Why do I get the feeling that if Joba pitches well in the postseason or for the first month next year, we will never hear from you again?
Look, if he proves me wrong, I’ll admit it…as a matter of fact I’ll be glad too. I have a Chamberlain jersey, I at one point liked him a lot…however after this season it’s impossible to not be down on him. Furthermore, it’d be stupid to trade him now because his value is so low that they’d be lucky to get Jacoby Ellsbury for him.
You do realize that joba is in his 1st year as a full time starter and never pitched this many inning in his life? It takes time to build that endurance. He didn’t have the luxury of being shitty enough to have to stay in the minors to get experience while gaining endurance. You are complaining that we had such a dominate minor leaguer that he had too come earlier then expected and he’s hitting some rough patches now in his 3rd year and first as a full time starter.
Do you realize that there isn’t an AL pitcher with worse command?
Jose Veras, Edwar Ramirez, Mike Dunn, Mark Melancon, Kyle Farnsworth, and a myriad of others all scream hello
Yeah because they’re on a 25 man roster for a significant period of time…though I should have specified starter. Also, it’s encouraging to know that he isn’t the shittiest pitcher in the Yankee organization and they have a plethora of arms much shittier than he is.
Buchholz has only 77 inning this year and has a 1.37 whip. not much better then jobas 1.54.
career wize:
Joba: 1.37
Buchholz: 1.50
IPK walked two people yesterday. If he walks two people in his next outing, let’s call for him to be traded.
/Omar’d
I’d feel more comfortable if IPK was starting tomorrow.
Nah, you’d just be bitching about him instead.
It’s easier to type IPK than Joba so I’d be bitching more efficiently, at least.
Until, the game starts and he walk some one..
Derr, Trade Him!!! His whip is horrible and he’s not an Elite starter after a hand full of starts!11!!!! He’s no Clay!