NLCS Game Five: Dodgers @ Phillies


2009 NLCSMuch like their SoCal counterparts, the Dodgers are down 3-1 in the League Championship Series and have their backs to the wall. I know some fans enjoy seeing Joe Torre and his club thisclose to elimination for whatever reason, but if the Yanks do move on to the World Series, it would be in their best interests for the Dodgers to mount a comeback and push the Phightin’s to seven tough games.

Philly will send last year’s ace and new father Cole Hamels to the mound for the second time in the series tonight. He allowed nine baserunners – including a pair of homers – and four runs in five and a third innings pitch, although his team walked away with a win. The Dodgers will counter with former Phillie Vicente Padilla, who was excellent in Game Two.

Here’s the lineups:

Los Angeles
Rafael Furcal, SS
Ronnie Belliard, 2B
Andre Ethier, RF
Manny Ramirez, LF
Matt Kemp, CF
James Loney, 1B
Russ Martin, C
Casey Blake, 3B
Vicente Padilla, SP (12-6, 4.46)

Jimmy Rollins, SS
Shane Victorino, CF
Chase Utley, 2B
Ryan Howard, 1B
Jayson Werth, RF
Raul Ibanez, LF
Pedro Feliz, 3B
Carlos Ruiz, C
Cole Hamels (10-11, 4.32)

Chip Caray will fist the call on TBS; first pitch is scheduled for 8:07pm ET.

If non-Yankee baseball isn’t your thing, you could always check out the Islanders taking on the Hurricanes at home. But it’s the Isles, no one cares about them. Feel free to talk about whatever you want, just be sure to follow the guidelines and be nice to each other.


  1. I’m bored. This game better be a good one.

  2. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Maybe Chip Caray in a non Yankee game will be better than those Fox idiots.

  3. Chip Caray will fist the call on TBS

    (golf clap)

  4. Johnnyboy says:

    Hey, Mike. I wasn’t able to ask this in the chat so I’ll ask it now. King Felix for Mauer. Who hangs up first?

    Anyone can feel free to drop their opinion too.

  5. Ivan says:

    Phillies are one win away from 2nd place.

  6. “If non-Yankee baseball isn’t your thing, you could always check out the Islanders taking on the Hurricanes at home. But it’s the Isles hockey, no one cares about them that.”


  7. Salty Buggah says:

    Our bench in the WS in NL games is going to be amazing. Matsui, Hinske, Jerry, Cervelli, and Gardy = awesome.

  8. We all assume that the Yanks are on a collision course with the Phillies, but this isn’t necessarily true.

    The Yankees could still play the Dodgers.


  9. Kiko Jones says:

    I bet MLB would love to see a Dodgers-Yankees WS. Not only are we talking about the two main markets, but there’s also the drama filled scenario of Joe Torre-—bringing along Donnie Baseball, for good measure—-facing his old team, now managed by his protégée and namesake Joe Girardi; and Manny returning to face his Bronx archrivals, which he has frequently punished in the past. Man…

  10. Drew says:

    Steve Phillips, really?

    Now, I don’t condone cheating on a significant other, but at least do it with some class. This chick looks like a right-outside linebacker.


  11. So I picked up the Best American Sportswriting 2009 because Todd Drew’s got a piece in it, but then I ended up reading a Michael Lewis piece about Cuban baseball, and the entire thing is kind of crazy.

    It also makes me want to move to Canada, gain Canadian citizenship, and then work in in Cuba as a covert scout.

    Just sayin.

  12. Andrew says:

    i hate writing cover letters. so much.

  13. The Artist says:


    I think Steve Phillips and Bill Clinton should go out clubbing together.

  14. Evan says:

    I really need to stop going to bed at 5 am. It’s doing me no favors at all.

  15. Ivan says:

    Well as the baseball year winds down, the NBA season will begin, and my lovable Knicks will begin their quest for a playoff spot and you know what, they will make the playoffs. By the way Danilo Gallinari is gonna shut down some doubters this coming season (Yes im talking to you Tommie) if he’s healthy.

  16. Riddering says:

    Wow, have I missed Bon Jovi.

  17. Riddering says:

    What Craig didn’t mention:

    It’s Jeter’s cologne that Manny was using.

  18. Ivan says:

    I wonder what time Manny is gonna leave this game tonight?

  19. The Artist says:

    Andre sends one into the ethier.

  20. Andy in Sunny Daytona says:

    There is NO FUCKIN WAY I would ever throw back a home run ball.

  21. Evil Empire says:

    Attaboy, Andre.

    Not that I really care who wins the quest for 3rd place, but I would like to see the Dodgers win this game simply so that there is more baseball to watch between the world series and Yankees clinching tomorrow.

    • The Artist says:

      About the only thing to root for is for the Dodgers to somehow make this thing go 7, so the Phillies would have to use Lee.

      • Accent Shallow says:

        Agreed. No reason for this series to reach a speedy conclusion.

      • Evil Empire says:

        True, that would indeed be a tangible benefit … plus a game 7 would just be really fun to watch. But I honestly don’t care who wins, neither opponent looks like they will be as challenging as the Angels.

  22. Salty Buggah says:

    Anyone see those Jorge Posada McDonalds ads on some sites? I think he just looks funny in those.

    If you havent seen those, I downloaded the flash video and uploaded the video:

    He looks so goofy. This is only one of those, the other ad is funny too but it doesn’t show up anymore on any site.

  23. Accent Shallow says:

    How overrated is Rollins?

  24. The Phillies are the best-looking team in baseball, and I’m not referring to them playing well.

    Well I am.


  25. Accent Shallow says:

    Vicente Padilla: stopper.


  26. Evil Empire says:

    The the hell is it with DirecTV and dead actors? First the little girl from Poltergeist and now Chris Farley. What’s next, one of the kids in Moonwalker breaking the 4th wall to talk about DirecTV while Michael Jackson is dancing?

  27. Evan says:

    Utley now shares a place in the books with Boog Powell.

  28. Accent Shallow says:

    Padilla throws 96? The fuck?

  29. Andy in Sunny Daytona says:

    That lady was excited.

  30. Accent Shallow says:

    Preliminary results are in: this series is not going 7.

  31. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Funny, for a second there I thought Chip had emotion.

  32. Ibanez Matsui’d that one.

  33. Accent Shallow says:



  34. The Artist says:

    I hope Pedro gets a start in the WS. That would be very cool to face him, given all the history.

  35. Riddering says:

    Solo home runs?

    The Dodgers are not playing the Right Way.

  36. Rey22 says:

    Slugfest coming right up.

  37. Andy in Sunny Daytona says:

    Casey Blake or Carlos Santana?

  38. Rey22 says:

    So the Phillies pitching staff for the World Series is Cliff Lee and….uhhh….ummm…yeah.

  39. JobaWockeeZ says:

    A YS3 is a fucking bandbox? WTF.

  40. Riddering says:

    No more worries. If we play the Phillies, Molina’s going to have another grand slam.

  41. The umpire just got really excited about punching out Hamels.

  42. And yet we can’t make comments about a bandbox?

  43. Did Darling just say Furcal was “drunk trying to do too much”?

  44. Ivan says:

    I,ve said it before, I will say it again, call me crazy, I think the yankees will sweep the Phillies in the WS. Maybe 5.

  45. JMK aka The Overshare says:

    Joe Torre: Has anyone seen my car keys? ANYONE?! I CAN’T FIND MY CAR KEYS!

  46. Accent Shallow says:

    Ump looked like he was sucker punching someone there.

  47. Evil Empire says:

    Who wins in a bare knuckle brawl:

    Joe Buck vs Chip Caray

    I say Chip Caray because I think he’d use his teeth.

  48. JMK aka The Overshare says:

    What happened to Russell Martin? Wasn’t he supposed to be the next great catcher?

  49. Reggie C. says:

    Chad Billingsley >>> AJ Burnett ?

  50. Accent Shallow says:

    Was hoping that’d be a big inning for the Dodgers.

    Life goes on.

  51. JMK aka The Overshare says:

    Dane Cook was considered one of Time Magazine’s Most 100 influential people? Really?

  52. Evil Empire says:

    So Rob Neyer wrote on his blog today about who has the better shot at getting into the HoF, Johnny Damon or Bobby Abreu.


    He said the most common reply was “neither”, but I actually think both of them – by the end of their careers – will have put up good enough numbers to get into the HoF. Neither is likely to hit any 1 single automatic HoF plateau (though Damon has a very possible shot at 3000 hits), but both have put up very well-rounded offensive numbers by the end of their career, and it will be interesting to see what “clubs” they join when they retire. By clubs, I mean stuff like the 2500 H / 300 HR / 550 2B / 375 SB / 1500 RBI / 1500 R / 1500 BB club … because those are the numbers Abreu is likely to hit. I don’t know where to look up what other baseball players have met all of those criteria but I know that’s pretty damn balanced career. Johnny Damon will have similarly well balanced numbers, though more hits and less RBIs.

    What does RAB think?

    • Accent Shallow says:

      I think Abreu will be wildly underrated at the end of his career, because the media will continue to not acknowledge how impressive a lifetime .404 OBP is.

      • Evil Empire says:

        One would hope that by the time these guys are up for vote in 9 or more years, OBP and OPS will have grown in appreciation as the older baseball writers fade away and the younger, more stat-savvy voters become a larger influence in teh voting.

      • JMK aka The Overshare says:

        Underrated, sure. But Hall of Fame? Ehhhh.

        • Accent Shallow says:

          He’s been a much better player than Damon, although Damon’s been the better defender.

          I think Damon’s a lock if he gets to 3000 hits (although he’d be arguably the worst player with that many), and Abreu’s probably on the outside looking in — no huge counting numbers, although the HR/SB thing he has going may help.

          • Evil Empire says:

            That’s why I think its the combination of various counting stats that really demonstrates how elite these guys’ careers have been … and that’s the other thing – Johnny and Bobby haven’t ever really had insane years, they’re just incredibly consistent and have stayed healthy for a really long time, and both will probably play the game at an above average level for another 2 or 3 years and then … probably painfully fall off a cliff.

      • I agree with this. By this time, I thought that the MSM would at least be trying to catch up with the times, but they seem to be resisting it tooth and nail.

    • JMK aka The Overshare says:

      Maybe this is a strange way of evaluating players (by which I mean incorrect), but I’ve never seen either as dominating players, and if I were given a vote, that would be the qualifier. Let me elaborate: The numbers suggest both have been very good players, but I just don’t see either as HoFers. They’re guys that are good at pretty much everything, but aren’t really great enough at anything of note. They’re just extremely well-rounded. If I were forced to make a judgment I’d say Damon because he primarily played CF (and not a bad one, either), and Abreu played a corner OF spot his entire career (and not well for a fair amount of it).

      My $.02

  53. Accent Shallow says:

    I thought Ethier was supposed to be a good defender? He certainly hasn’t looked it.

  54. Accent Shallow says:

    If my reflection in a shop window starts talking to me, I’m asking my doctor about schizophrenia, not ED.

  55. slappy white says:

    How great is it that Bobby Valentine, of all people, took Steve Phillips chair on Baseball Tonight ? Its the killer Yankee karma paying him a visit for his preseason third place prediction

  56. Accent Shallow says:

    Troncoso doesn’t exactly look like a shutdown reliever.

    And talk about short-arming the ball!

  57. Reggie C. says:

    Phillies can blow this game open. Bases loaded for Victorino.

    I didn’t think the Dodgers would go out like punks.

  58. JMK aka The Overshare says:

    Phantom strike 2.

  59. JMK aka The Overshare says:

    Torre’s been asleep at the wheel for how long now?

  60. Accent Shallow says:

    The Phillies are an incredibly unlikeable team.

    And what the hell are the fans chanting? Sounds like “U-S-A, U-S-A”, but that can’t be it.

  61. Dela G says:

    damn, the O-dog crushed that shit

  62. Mike Axisa says:

    So this game is getting interesting.

  63. scooter says:

    Ethier just missed it… wow…

    That could have been in the seats

  64. Yanks21 says:


  65. scooter says:

    Great job by Durbin and by Charlie Manuel

    Would be nice if the Dodgers could extend the Phillies another game – will be interesting to see how the two pens perform

  66. Dela G says:

    wow manny for the loss

  67. No, Ron, the Game 1 start was more important than this appearance.

  68. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Wow that looked like strike 3.

  69. Mike Axisa says:

    Boy, when PeteAbe gets a hold of something to make fun of, he sure gets his money’s worth. He’s still yammering about Girardi’s pitching changes.

  70. Evan says:

    Well, the 3-2 curve was in the strike zone, Buck, but Hallion called it otherwise.

  71. Does Kershaw have a Kaballah bracelet on?!

  72. Ivan says:

    Kershaw or Hughes?

  73. JMK aka The Overshare says:

    Dodgers fail again.

  74. Accent Shallow says:

    Think Torre misses Cano and Jeter after that?

  75. Who wins in a four way death match:

    John McLane
    Martin Riggs
    Indiana Jones
    James Bond

  76. JMK aka The Overshare says:

    I’m going to get shit for this, but Chris Farley wasn’t funny. Even a little bit. (And yes, I’ve seen some of the movies and the Best of SNL.)

  77. Victorino hit that ball very far.

  78. Accent Shallow says:

    Well, that’s game. Time to find something else to do.

  79. JMK aka The Overshare says:

    Holy Philly. This game is over. Phillies back in the WS.

  80. Dela G says:

    well this one is over

  81. Ivan says:

    Wow Victorino crush that one.

  82. Can someone explain to me what the appeal of “Secret Girlfriend” is supposed to be? I think I’m just missing the point.

  83. Ivan says:

    Good thing the Phillies are going to the WS. If LA and NY were in the WS, it would be like another West Coast Vs. East Coast Beef between Biggie and 2Pac and “we” in “American” couldn’t stand that.

    /Rush Limbaugh’D

  84. JMK aka The Overshare says:

    Okay, I’ll ask a new question:

    Everyone’s favorite beer? Having lived in Vermont for a while, I’ll say Switchback.


  85. dkidd says:

    the phillies will be very very tough. hope coke and marte are ready for their close-ups

    /counting my chickens

  86. Ivan says:

    Yes Phillies, enjoy this ass kicking your giving the Dodgers, because when the WS begins, that will all end.

  87. Mike bk says:

    the philly lineup is just as dangerous as ours, especially with some of our guys struggling as they are. the advantage we have is the pen and andy vs whomever they start game 3. i assume we go with 3 starters even though it would mean everyone has to go on short rest. philly would do that with lee and maybe hamels but they cant with their other guys so they might not do it all.

    • Evil Empire says:

      I’d say the Philly lineup is about equal to the Yanks when we play at their stadium, but whoever fills their DH role will not be able to equal Matsui (he’s also the best PH on either team for whatever that is worth)

      I’ll take Sabathia over Lee any day of the week. Burnett has also had a superior regular and post season compared to Hamels and seems to be on one of his “Good AJ” streaks, so I’d favor us in that matchup too.

  88. Paul says:

    Well, we’re seeing the next Yankee RF (free in 2010). Got the O’Neill thing too and he loves the post-season.

    So sign Damon and throw a boatload of money at Werth. The only problem is he’ll be 32. But he’s a good fielder, got some speed (20 SB), and doesn’t have a lot of mileage.

  89. dkidd says:

    if we signed werth would we switch him to left?

  90. Mike Axisa says:

    Does the Phillies’ bullpen ever not make it interesting?

  91. Dela G says:

    ruh roh

    dodgers tryin again to come back

  92. dkidd says:

    that bullpen + that stadium + that manager = no lead is safe

  93. Mike bk says:

    come on casey a single here makes it a ballgame especially with lidge and 4 outs to go.

  94. Mike bk says:

    wow, that was strike 3.

  95. Joe D. says:

    Am I the only one thinking Thome should have pinch hit for Blake? It’s not a huge, diff, but looks to be a few points OBP and quite a bit of slugging advantage against a righty…

  96. PaulF says:

    Yankees wOBA .378/.378
    .390 SS Jeter
    .376 LF Damon
    .402 1B Tex
    .405 3B A Rod
    .378 DH Matsui
    .378 C Posada
    .370 2B Cano
    .375 RF Swisher
    .331 CF Melky

    Phillies wOBA .356/.358
    .316 SS Rollins
    .354 CF Victorino
    .402 2B Utley
    .393 1B Howard
    .382 RF Werth
    .379 LF Ibanez
    .302 3B Feliz
    .337 C Ruiz
    .340 DH Francisco

    • JMK aka The Overshare says:

      I was told there would be no math.

    • Joe D. says:

      Plus, the Phils play in the sissy league.

    • PaulF says:

      I realize that Francisco won’t DH, but I listed him there since hes the player that will be added to the lineup( probably)

      Position by position makes the offenses look similar, but it ignores the huge advantages the Yankees have at Short and 3rd.

    • Mike bk says:

      more importantly…what are the playoff numbers?

      • PaulF says:

        I’d rather go with the larger sample sizes. I’m not sure how much numbers carry over from one round to another.

        • Evil Empire says:

          I tend to agree with you, but I cannot turn my back on Rodriguez’s ridiculous 1.469 post season OPS. That’s 246 points higher than Ryan Howard’s still scary 1.203 OPS.

        • Mike bk says:

          is that because other than jeter, arod, posada we would be losing at every position in that case?

          Posada>Ruiz (has hit well in playoffs though)
          Teixeira<Howard (proven playoff performer and teix is funking though showed signs yesterday)
          Damon<Ibanez (slight)
          Swisherphilly DH

          • PaulF says:

            Honestly I didn’t even look at the Phillies playoff numbers. If the Yankees were facing Dodgers pitching they’d have great numbers, but thats not my point. Going by regular season stats the Yankees win 5 positions and the Phillies 4 ( If you count DH which isn’t totally fair.) With all the days off and stuff there is no reason to think that players’ “hotness” will remain the same.

          • Evil Empire says:

            Umm…its probably because its a lot easier to tell how good someone is from a 162 game sample than a sample of less than 10 games.

            Don’t act so worried, chief … Yankees will kick the shit out of the Phillies and we’ll all be celebrating #27 together in no time.

  97. JMK aka The Overshare says:

    That was some sweater…

  98. Ivan says:

    Phillies are hitting some bullets out there.

  99. ansky says:

    And in case there was any doubt…there’s your ballgame right there.

  100. Ivan says:

    Tired Darling? Gee why is that?

  101. ansky says:

    These FLOMAX commercials are hilarious.

  102. GoTerpsGo says:

    So looking forward to NYY stomping LAA tomorrow night… Are the AAAA playoffs over yet? *Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…………..*

  103. JMK aka The Overshare says:

    I’m still not convinced that Brad Lidge is “fixed.”

  104. ansky says:

    I think Manny just went to the showers

  105. mustang says:

    I feel soooo sad for Manny and Joe T.

    Oh well next year !!!

  106. JMK aka The Overshare says:

    Picture of Phillies celebrating with Horatio: http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/14907 (SAFE)

  107. JMK aka The Overshare says:

    It’s a good thing he’s good at baseball; Werth sounds like a moron. Maybe it’s his voice.

  108. mustang says:

    What’s the over/under on HR if it’s Yanks vs Phillies with their parks being rank 1 and 2 for most HR?
    And those offenses?

  109. JMK aka The Overshare says:

    Phillies fans booed Ernie Johnson (who is an asshat).

  110. Evil Empire says:

    Hah, looks like Steve Phillips got caught with his hand in the cookie jar:


    …except it wasn’t really his hand, was it?

    • ansky says:

      I said it in ealier post and I’ll say it again…wouldn’t Todd Hundley have been a better option than that Brooke beast? I mean…damn Steve damn.

  111. ansky says:

    Damn, Charlie Manuel really needs subtitles!

  112. Tom Zig says:

    Fox Sports added Ozzie Guillen to the broadcast booth…oh boy, I’m excited

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