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Scott Boras will have none of this ‘hometown discount’ nonsense
ByReporting from the GM meetings, Joel Sherman says that superagent Scott Boras indicated that he’s looking not for a short-term deal for Johnny Damon, but possibly a three or four year commitment. “Greg Maddux was the unique pitcher when it came to durability,” said Boras. “And (Damon) is the Greg Maddux of position players when it comes to durability.” That’s certainly true; Damon’s played at least 140 games in 14 straight seasons. But Damon is the kind of guy that always seems to be on the brink of breaking down.
One year plus an option? Fine. anything more than that, then have fun in San Francisco.
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Boras is flapping his gums. No surprise here.
What this suggests is that Boras will drag out the process. So if the Yankees want quick answers, they’ll need to look elsewhere. That could spell the end for Damon with the Yankees. Matsui will probably be eager to do a deal without the histrionics.
“Greg Maddux was the unique pitcher when it came to durability,” said Boras. “And (Damon) is the Greg Maddux of position players when it comes to durability.”
What does that make Bobby Abreu? 12 straight of 151 games or more.
and abreu only got guaranteed 9 mil for next year, 1 mil buyout and 9 mil option for 2011.
I think its a 2 year deal with a vesting option on the 3rd based on playing time. Which means, given his super Greg Maddux durability, its a 3 year deal.
Exactly right.
Scott will get him two guaranteed years, no doubt about that. Can’t say I see anything beyond that as realistic.
Totally agree.
anything more than 1 guaranteed year the yanks should let him walk. anything more than 9 mil i would let him walk as well.
Eh, the $9M shouldn’t be a hard upper limit. If you can give him $12 or so to get him to agree to the 1 + 1 deal, who cares about the extra $3M?
The Yankees should care. Let’s look at other options at that salary point.
Two years at the absolute most, or it’s Mike Cameron time. Johnny’s the man, but he and his agent are unsurprisingly out of their minds right now. Hopefully, they come to their senses, but the likelihood is that some desperate team will meet their demands. It’s been fun, Johnny.
only if that 2nd year is at worst a mutual option, no player option, no guaranteed 2nd year.
For sure. I should’ve clarified that in my post.
I think that Boras has backed himself into a corner regarding Damon staying with the Yankees unless Damon pulls an ARod and calls George to do a deal without Boras.
Love you Johnny, but if that’s the deal . . . see ya!
What is Boras supposed to say? No surprises here.
The only reason it seems like he’s constantly shooting for the stars is because we always hear what he’s looking for. He negotiates through the media (usually Heyman) more than any other agent.
My guess is what we hear and we he actually has the balls to tell Cashman are two completely different things. If he mentions four years to Cashman, then have fun in San Fran, indeed.
Yea, like you said. 1+1 = Done. Anything more… http://i41.tinypic.com/mkb3b7.jpg
One year plus an option? Fine. anything more than that, then have fun in San Francisco.
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i would like to hope a organization like San Francisco learned its lesson from a 3 year, $23.25M deal they gave Randy Winn.
Or their other Boras beauty in Barry Zito.
I sometimes wonder if Scott Boras believes everything that comes out of his own mouth. Comparing Damon to Maddux is quite amusing.
Not a chance. That’s part of what makes him good at his job. Parsing the truth from the bullshit probably drives GM’s insane. I think Boras is good at planting seeds of doubt and making teams question their outlook on his clients.
Scott Boras can sell salt to a slug.
ice to an eskimo
birth control to a womna with her tubes tied/condoms to man with a vasectamy
Non-porn movies to Hideki.
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ketchup popsicle to a woman in white gloves
Weight Watchers to my harem.
Good lucky finding three years for Damon, Boras. The Mets wouldn’t even do that.
They might.
http://www.faniq.com/article/M.....rs-1771988
That link is hilarious.
That’s awesome. How would you like that retirement package. Kicks in when he’s 48.
But what if he was Juan Damon?
If he was Juan Damón, he would have been on the Mets 5 years ago.
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Theres nothing wrong with 2 years for Damon if we think he can contribute in year 2 as a DH/4th OF/bench player. Carl Crawford will be in left, AJax in center, Swish in right, and Damon can be the “everyday” DH and sit when Alex, Jorge, Derek etc. need to DH
i agree.
Exactly what I was gonna say.
“Carl Crawford will be in left… “
I don’t know if I’ll make some enemies here by saying this, but I’ve been re-thinking the Carl Crawford situation lately. Assuming he becomes a free agent after the 2010 season, he’ll be 29 (turning 30 during the 2011 season). He has a current career OPS+ of 103, with marks of 117 (’07), 89 (’08) and 113 (’09) the last three years. His career OBP is .335 and can reasonably be expected to hover around .350 at this point in his career. He doesn’t have much power to speak of, you can reasonably expect about 15 homers a year from him. He’s been very good LF and obviously he has speed (about 50 SBs per year), but I’m starting to think he’s overvalued (at least by Yankees fans). His value really seems tied up in his speed, and whoever acquires him next offseason will be getting him in the year he turns 30. Of course, we won’t know how he’s valued until next offseason when the market forms around him, so maybe he won’t command a huge contract, but I’d bet that he will.
I don’t know… He’s good, I’ve been a Crawford fan since he came up with the Rays… I just think maybe some Yankees fans are all amped up about bringing him into the fold next offseason, but maybe he’s not this perfect answer people think he is.
I agree that he’s probably not as good as some are making him, but he’s certainly well worth signing.
Ok… For how long and for how much is the question though. I never said he’s not good or not worth having on your team, I just think he might command more years and dollars than the Yanks should give him.
It seems like a lot of people think it’s a foregone conclusion that he’s the right option and that he’ll wind up with the Yanks, I’m just wondering if that’s so. I think some people think he’s a little better than he actually is.
He may end up being the best option though, in which case he’s worth maybe 30 mil (I’m not really sure about what’s a good price for FA’s), IMO, for four to six years.
See… We have no idea, today, what the market will look like, but I’m pretty sure $30 million over 4 years doesn’t get it done. He made $8.25 million in 2009 and his 2010 option is $10 million, I highly doubt the guy’s taking a pay-cut. And I think a 6-year deal is out of the question.
Could you see a four or five year deal then?
See below… It’s impossible to speculate this far in advance, but I’d imagine it’d take at least 4 years to get him to sign, if not 5. I’m not campaigning against the guy quite yet, I’m just tossing the concerns out there since people seem so convinced he’s the perfect answer and I don’t think everyone has really thought through, carefully, exactly what this guy brings to the table and what it’s going to take to sign him. I would imagine these conversations will look a little different the closer we get to the 2010-2011 offseason.
I agree completely.
I agree with Mondesi on this one. Crawford is a very good player but fans really seem to fall in love with speed. I for one am not sold on paying 33-36 year old Carl Crawford 15 million a year
Yup… I don’t know, he’s good and he might wind up being the Yanks’ LFer in 2011… I’m just pretty sure it’s not as much of a slam-dunk as people think, and I’m a little nervous (already) about what he and his contract are going to look like in the last year or two he’s around (if he’s signed).
What would you offer him? I wouldn’t go above four years, for the reasons you listed. Much of his game is predicated on his defense and speed—the two most likely things to decline as he ages.
I like Crawford, and I’d be more than happy to look at some other options. But it’s a slim market for OFers in 2011. Dunn maybe, but that defense is pretty bad. Jeter to LF and find a SS? Montero? None of these are great options right now, but who knows at this time next year?
I have no idea… I would imagine he’d command at least something around Damon’s expiring deal, which was 4 years, $52 million ($13 million/year). I don’t know… His value is just so tied up in his speed, isn’t it? It’s real tough to speculate about contract numbers a year in advance.
Yeah, I’d say he gets more than that. I’m thinking 5/70. He’s probably close to worth it if one reasonably expects Crawford to develop more power and better OBP skills. If so, I’d be content to give him that sort of deal. But to pay for a guy with an OBP possibly under .350, with SLG numbers under .460, he’d need to play outstanding defense and steal 60 bases. At 34, who knows what you’re getting?
Like you said, there’s a lot more risk than what meets the eye, just because of the type of player he is.
David DeJesus might be a decent option for 2-3 years if the Yankees would rather invest the money somewhere else. He has a nice UZR in LF
Mediocre hitter, though. We’d need a better bat, I’d think.
Johnny Damon has a man called “Mr. Glass” that he keeps in a padded room in his basement.
Sincerely,
Scott Boras
Samuel L. Jackson and Scott Boras frown upon your shenanigans.
I’ve been on the fence about Damon’s arb. possibilities. If Boras is serious (and the man has a better poker face than Lady Gaga) about 3-4 years, should we offer him arbitration?
The risk of paying him $16 million or whatever it is, is REALLY high, but say he declines it, we get two picks, sign Cameron and Matsui. I’d be erect all winter.
That said, I can’t see any team possibly offering Damon three years. Absolutely not.
like you say.
No team is going to offer him 3 years (atleast no team he would have interest playing for.)
and if someone offers him 4….they should be “put down”..if you get what i’m saying.
i would offer him arb anyway…because frankly..its not my money. lol
That said, I can’t see any team possibly offering Damon three years. Absolutely not.
Yeah, me neither. I can see several teams offering Damon 2 guaranteed years, but not three. And, none of those teams who would be offering two guaranteed years can offer Johnny what we can: a dominant team that is the prohibitive WS favorites.
Two years is a fine distinction, I think. If Damon/Boras is hell-bent on getting a two-year deal, I’d rather have Cameron, two picks and Matsui.
But what team will surrender the picks and throw out 2/20?
Boras is talking out of his ass.
That’s exactly what he should do.
An agent’s job is to reframe the contract picture for his client upwards. Throw out numbers that can’t possibly be attained, so that the number that is agreed to is higher than what it would have been if not for your ridiculous bluster.
If Damon is worth 1/9, don’t ask for 2/20, ask for 4/52, so that when you settle on 2/18 it seems reasonable.
Oh, I agree. Just saying.
Crazy thought: Re-sign Damon to a 1+option, Matsui to a 1-year, Cameron to a 1-year+team option, Vlad to a one-year, Dye to a one-year. I don’t care if it costs us a combined $38 million in 2010, here’s why:
Why Vlad and Dye, you ask? Hah! Think about it—greatest DH platoon in baseball. Matsui and Vlad can switch knees and for shits and giggles, when we’re up 14-1, we’ll let Dye play CF. Let the fans have a good chuckle and really get their money’s worth.
You forgot Bonds.
Both Barry Bonds and his dead father. Sign them both.
I know. People actually took me seriously last time I proposed that. I figured I’d try my luck and see how outlandish I can go this time. Mixed results, thus far. I’m still waiting on my boy, mryankee. He’ll come through. He’s really stepped up his game of late.
I think that by the time this offseason is over, mryankee will have advocated for us trading for every single player under contract to another team.
He wanted Lackey and Holliday, we told him they were both bad ideas. Now he’s back to calling for trading for Halladay or Felix or Adam Dunn or Carlos Quentin (?!).
Verlander and Sizemore are next. After that, Cain and Lincecum, and then Hanley Ramirez and both Upton brothers and then Grienke and Longoria, Buster Posey and Elvis Andrus.
He wrote this: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27656
Priceless. I just spit my tea all over my monitor at work and am getting the strange looks.
LOL oh wow…
Way too many DHs in that plan.
i personally wouldn’t bring back Matsui based of his knees…so i wouldn’t dare touch vlad. and to have both of them would be crazy. i mean..at times Vlad looked like he was going to just crumble to the ground in the ALCS. and as i said…Matsui ain’t no spring chicken.
After the first 5 months of the season, I was all over a 2 year deal for JD. I suspected there was no shot he’d accept a one year offer and I wanted him back. Now I’m indifferent, I don’t think having him back for 2 years would be a bad thing but it’s not something I’ll lose sleep over if he walks.
The only way I see him taking a 1 yr + Team option is if it’s a ridiculous buy out, like between 3 and 5 million.
Wow I just realized he’s been worth 30 million over the past 2 years. Yikes. Boras is going to be all over the fangraphs shit.
I have read so many stupid Boras claims I don’t take them seriously (Comparing players at different positions, such as (Holliday to Teixeira or Damon to Maddox) is nothing but empty rehtoric.
If some team would be willing to give Damon 3 years, then so be it, but if Cashman will wait Boras out, I bet Damon will be back.
Remember when Boras thought he could get A-Rod a 300 million dollar deal after he turned 32 years old??? LOL…what a fool…
::hears someone in the back ground::
wait…….what????…..how much???…$300 million with the HR records???
Remember when the situations were totally, utterly different? I do, too.
oh boy…i forgot to add the smiley…i had to do this in another thread.
::clears throat::
THIS POST WAS MEANT TO BE SARCASTIC AND FUN!111!!1!1!!!
Oh, sorry.
Yeah, but Boras asked for FOUR HUNDRED MILLION.
and GOT the $300 he promised Al…frame it higher…
Who said offer “1+1 for $10 and a huge going away party for the other guy” to Damon and Godzilla and then let the chips fall where they may? I’m starting to like that idea–somebody sign me up for that dude’s newsletter.
my email address is offerdamonarbitrationandletborasexplainwhyhecantplayinnewyorkanymore@thingsi’dliketosee.com
He won’t be negotiating with Randy Levine for Damon, though.
Two years and at a slight increase in salary from his last contract, plus, the privilege to play for the World Champion Yanks. That is the deal we should offer and he should accept.
increase? he needs more than 13 mil. lord, i hope that is a joke.
Adios, Johnny….Thanks for the memories
Nice blurb. I would like Damon back at a cheap one year deal (no way in hell do I give him anything in the 10 mill range) or no dice. I view him pretty much the same as Matsui (obviously a different type of hitter) being a DH / pinch hitter / emergency LF. Johnny is terrible in the OF and I want at least one average or above average all around OF.
BTW I like Johnny and more so Matsui as a fan, but only one years deals for less than what Abreu made or lets get somebody else on a one year deal. No Bay or Holliday, but I have no issue in pretending just to drive the price up for the Dead Sox.
I love how everyone is freaking out from, and saying that the Yankees will have to pass on Damon because of this. Boras can say whatever he wants, it’s his job to get his clients the best deal they can. It doesn’t mean much though.
Two years is all we can possibly do for him. To begin with his play in the field is at best fair and going beyond two years would be signing on to a full time DH by year three for sure.
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