Dec
20

Football Open Thread

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The Jets will take on Matt Ryan and Michael Turner (both active) and the rest of the Atlanta Falcons in the snowy Meadowlands this afternoon, though you Giants fans will have to wait until tomorrow to watch your team. Talk about any and all of the games here.

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  1. Salty Buggah says:

    :Tumbleweed:

    • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops says:

      Everybody is still exhausted after celebrating the Cowboys’ win at New Orleans.

      • That’s just MikePop. Who else was actually rooting for the Cowboys to beat the Saints?

      • Why are you a Yankees fan and a Cowboys fan?

        • V says:

          I never did get this.

          I only really question it if a Yankees/Cowboys fan is also a Lakers or Bulls fan.

          • V says:

            I’m Yankees/St.Louis Cardinals and Giants/Chiefs myself.

            Yeah, yeah, RIP Chiefs :-(

            • Keanu Reeves says:

              The Cowboys are my only weird one. I just don’t like football all that much but I remember watching Aikman, Smith and Irving when I was younger so they’re just who I root for.

              Other than that I’m Yankees/Knicks/Islanders.

              • You realize that when you root for the Cowboys you’re, like, a Texas Rangers fan, right? That’s who your fellow fans are, and you’re rooting against Yankees fans/New Yorkers.

                I just don’t get it. The teams are laundry worn by business men, I think the core of fandom is really in the fanbase/city.

                • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops says:

                  I have no problem when I don’t root for the same teams as others. You don’t have to like the persons who root for the same teams as you. Or share political opinions, etc.

                  It works the other way around, too: There are people who are very good friends but root for bitter rivals. I’m able to seperate fandom and other aspects of live pretty good, which is probably not the same with other people.

                • So it’s purely a ‘rooting for the laundry’ thing for you? Because the people running and playing on the teams you root for surely aren’t the same people they were when you first rooted for those teams, so I don’t get what else, other than the laundry, you’d have any sort of connection to.

                  I’m not saying you have to love the people who are part of your fanbase or share political beliefs or anything like that, you’re really putting words in my mouth there. All I’m saying is that I think people should root for teams that represent them, teams that represent their hometowns. Honestly, I’m not a Yankees fan because I like their uniforms or because Derek Jeter is dreamy, I’m a Yankees fan because I grew up here, my family is a Yankees family, and the Yankees represent my hometown. I thought George Brett was the man when I was a kid, but that didn’t make him my guy or make the Royals my team.

                  And, like I said before, I obviously understand that people move or grow up in families that may root for teams outside their hometown for some reason (or grow up overseas so they don’t really have any reason to pick one city’s team over another’s), so obviously there are exceptions to my rule that I find perfectly reasonable.

                • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops says:

                  Not trying to put words in your mouth. Sorry about that. I just wanted to say, that for me there are more important things than having the people who root for the same teams as me be persons I like. I’m also not a person who needs a “group experience” or something like that when I’m watching my favorite teams. Not saying you implied that, that’s just the way it is for me.

                  I guess with the Cowboys I’m strictly rooting for the laundry. I don’t really like Texas, I hate the owner, I hate the whole “We are America’s team” bullshit. Plus they had a lot of players the last couple of years which I had a hard time rooting for. I like Witten, Romo and Ware, the other players are pretty much just “jerseys” for me.

                  My interest in the NBA has vanished over the years, especially with the strike year, which got me addicted to Baseball. I still check the boxscores, but it doesn’t rellay effect me anymore if they win or lose.

                  The Yankees are the only US team I really care for. There are many things with the Yankees I don’t like, too, but on the whole, I really like this team/organization. I like most of the players and NY also is the only of the cities my favorite teams play in, I could imagine to live in.

                • Keanu Reeves says:

                  I hear ya Mondesi. I gave a lot of thought to rethinking my football alliance in the past few years, but I just don’t find either the Giants or the Jets to be likable.

                  The Jets games are pretty brutal to watch most of the time and I’m not a Manning fan at all (although guys like Nicks are making them more fun to watch). At least with the Cowboys it’s entertaining. Romo, Austin and Felix Jones are all fun to watch.

                  Bottom line is:

                  Yankees
                  (Canyon-sized gap)
                  Knicks, Islanders
                  (Medium-sized gap)
                  Cowboys

            • Are you from both NY and Missouri or something?

              I never really get the whole ‘I like teams from different parts of the country’ thing, no matter who the teams involved happen to be. Unless, of course, there’s some good reason (grew up in Arizona in a huge Yankees-fan family, lived in two places for substantial amounts of time, etc.).

              • Drew says:

                Some people are just raised to be certain fans. My Dad was a huge Redskins fan and so ever since I could talk, I’ve been a Redskins fan.

                • Right… Which fits into what I said in the comment you just responded to: “Unless, of course, there’s some good reason (grew up in Arizona in a huge Yankees-fan family, lived in two places for substantial amounts of time, etc.).” You fit into the first exception in that parenthetical.

                • Salty Buggah says:

                  I dont really think there is anyone, or at least not many people, who wont have exceptions. (unless they switch teams all the time based on who is doing well…then their not really “fans”)

                • Drew says:

                  Yeah. Another thing is, some people are bigger fans of an individual rather than an organization. For instance, D Wade is my favorite basketball player, if he departs Miami, I’m with him all the way.

                  Now with the Skins, I’m there no matter who is on the team, same with the Yanks.

                • Well I have no exceptions, since I root for my hometown teams.

                  And yeah, of course there are people who root for random, geographically diverse teams, who don’t have what I’d consider to be good reasons (and I’m sure they could give two shits what I think about the topic anyway, since it’s unimportant). There are a ton of winner pickers and bandwagoneers out there, and people who just randomly like teams for some other reason.

                • Salty Buggah says:

                  True.

                  I know some people in Colorado think I’m a bandwagoner because I root for the Yanks over the Rockies. Once I explain how I was introduced to baseball while living in NY and other sports after moving to Colorado, most understand though some still don’t.

                • Salty Buggah says:

                  Funny thing is that most people who think I’m a bandwagoner actually have those characteristics themselves . I’ve always supported the Rockies as my 2nd favorite team even when they struggled. Many of those people didnt. Barely anyone even liked the Rockies. Then all of a sudden Rocktober happens and everyone is a Rockies fan again.

                • re: Being a fan of an individual and not a team… I guess I’m just not like that. When I was a kid I was a huge Don Mattingly fan… I mean, the guy was my idol (like a lot of other people who comment here, I’m sure). But honestly, if he’d left and signed with the Cardinals or something, I wouldn’t have been caught dead walking around in Cardinals #23 jersey. If he was on another team I would have just been (really) disappointed and kept rooting for the man himself, but I would still have been a Yankees fan – because they’re my team, they represent me.

                  This actually reminds me of an exchange I had with a professor back in law school… She was from Milwaukee, and was always giving me shit for being a Yankees fan, and finally one day in class she was like “how can you root for the Yankees?” And I was just like “if you grew up rooting for your hometown team, and then that team won 4 World Series, would you stop rooting for that team?” It was the only time I ever saw any flicker of understanding in her eyes on the topic and she was just like “ok, fair enough.”

                  I just bring that up to say… I guess that, in my mind, your team is your team, whether they’re good or bad or whether they have good management or bad management. In my mind, you don’t get to pick and choose based on which players you like or which front office you think is smart. I’m a Knicks fan, and they’ve sucked for a while, but that doesn’t mean I say ‘well team X has awesome players and seems smart, so now I’m going to root for them.’ If they’re good, I’m a Knicks fan, and if they suck, I’m a Knicks fan. Such is life. (On that note, though, I do feel pretty lucky to have grown up a Yankees fan… Thank Mo my parents didn’t settle in Pittsburgh or someplace like that.)

                  Whatever… Totally unimportant topic, I just find it interesting to hear what other people think about it. Obviously, as I’ve acknowledged, plenty of people have plenty of perfectly good reasons to have geographically diverse allegiances. I guess it’s the totally randoms that kind of bother me a bit, and especially the ones who don’t stick with their teams, no matter how they chose those teams.

                • Mike Pop says:

                  I hear all this. I get questioned a lot because I root for the Yankees/Cowboys. But I also root for the Nets and Islanders.

                  If I grew up in KC though, and cheered for the Royals, while being a Cowboys fan. Nobody would care.

                  Cowboys are the only out of area team I like, based on my brother growing up. So I’ve always stuck with them. I think it would be worse if I changed and didn’t stick with them. They’re the only football team I’ve ever had any connection with and I plan to keep it that way.

                • Drew says:

                  Mondesi, some players are bigger than an organization. This is impossible for the Yanks and in my case, even the skins.
                  Now, I’ve been a D Wade fan longer than I’ve been a Heat fan. I live and die with him, I’ll move on with him when/if he moves on.

                  Obviously I am not a front runner, I’m a Skins fan through and through and have suffered in NJ dealing with all my NYG-fan friends. Especially the past few years.

              • V says:

                Grew up in Missouri, married a New Jersey girl.

          • Salty Buggah says:

            Does it count if the Lakers are my 2nd favorite team after the Nuggets? I grew up watching the Lakers and Kobe and I just liked them despite knowing they were that good

            • Sleepy Carl says:

              I’m another big supporter of the Nuggets. I didn’t have a NBA team I liked, but being a big Syracuse fan I just decided to follow Melo where ever he was drafted.

              • Salty Buggah says:

                Haha, thats good. It’s good you have mostly seen the good years. Before Melo, the Nuggets were so horrible to watch. That’s probably why I’m also a Lakers fan. Not having cable at the time, the Lakers were the team that came most on TV. But I was just starting to watch baseball so I had no idea they were so good. Once they won the championship in 2001, I was hooked. But the hometown Nuggets have been my favorite team though.

                • Sleepy Carl says:

                  Watching Isiah Thomas continually screw up the Knicks pushed me to following Melo. The Knick’s management reminded me too much of the Mets.

                • Mike Pop says:

                  Awwww man. Win, lose, or tie you should stick with your team.

                • Sleepy Carl says:

                  I was only a college BBall fan. I grew up around syracuse and always pulled for their teams. I still pull for the Knicks, just have preferred watching Melo (I pull for teams like the King, TWolves and Bucks on the side just for random other players like Flynn, Warrack and Green). The Syracuse alligence has made me slightly pull for the Eagles as well (living in Dallas makes me pull for just about every NFC East team outside of the Cowboys)as he was a solid Syracuse QB. That is what made Tyree’s catch as good as it gets.

          • Mike Pop says:

            I only really question it if a Yankees/Cowboys fan is also a Lakers or Bulls fan.

            Like LBJ – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.....blic_image

        • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops says:

          I’m from Germany, so I have no hometown teams. I just picked teams when I became fan of a sport. And I’m not a Lakers or Bulls fan, V. Been rooting for the Jazz since at least 15 years.

          • Gotcha, I guess that’s a wrinkle in my theory. If you’re from overseas, you don’t really have a fanbase to root with. Did your family not root for certain teams from wherever in the States they have roots?

            • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops says:

              My family doesn’t have any American roots. I got addicted to US sport, myself. And when I got a fan of these teams, I didn’t think about where in the US those teams were located.

            • Salty Buggah says:

              Well, if someone is from overseas AND lived in two places for a substantial amount of time, it can complicates things a bit more. Not sure that’s the case for CBLL but just adding in more reasons

            • I’m from Florida, Mondesi. When I was growing up, there were no baseball teams here. I liked the Yankees because of Dave Winfield. But now, I can’t ever imagine rooting for another baseball team.
              I’m sure that if I were a kid now, I would be fan a fan of the Marlins or Rays, most likely the Marlins.

              It’s funny, but until 2004 I had no clue that my cousins were Red Sox fans, because like your modern day Sox fan, they were silent about their fandom.

              BTW, I’m a Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan (no hope in sight), an Orlando Magic fan (lots of tough years) and a Manchester United fan (Malcolm Glazer, the best worst owner).

              • Salty Buggah says:

                I have a cousin in Canada who is a fan of 3 AL East teams in this order:

                1. Jays (because they’re Canadian)
                2. Red Sox (just liked them since 2004)
                3. Yankees (because he looks up to me…and I’m sure this is #2 by now but I havent asked for a while)

                It’s really weird though.

                • I don’t get the liking of two or more teams in the same league. I can appreciate players on other teams, but I could never, ever root for another team in baseball besides the Yankees.

                • Salty Buggah says:

                  Well, I root for the Rockies in the NL all the time (I probably wouldn’t if they were in the AL I think). Also, in the NFL, after the Broncos, I root for the Giants and then Jets. I put the Jets third because they’re in the same league as the Broncos. Times like now make it hard for me to root for them as they are in the Wild Card race with the Broncos but usually I’ll support them otherwise.

                • That’s a tough one, Andy and Salty. I lived in Chicago for a while and I used to wonder what would have happened if I’d stayed there and had a family there… I wouldn’t have a problem with my kids being Yankees fans, of course, since it’s kind of a family thing, but at the same time, if I raised kids in Chicago and they became Cubs or Sox fans I’d have to roll with that… And would I start rooting for one of the local teams, if I’d stayed and really become a part of that community? I’d never stop being a Yankees fan and I’d always be a Yankees fan above all others, there’s way too much time and history invested in that for that to change, but when people move, especially long-term like with Salty, it can create interesting situations, fandom-wise. I mean, Salty has lived in Colorado for a while (right?), the Rockies certainly represent his hometown.

                  It’s tricky. Whenever I thought about this stuff when I was in Chicago I’d wind up being like “nah, F it, I’d never be a Cubs/Sox fan,” and I believe that… It’s just not in my nature – the Yanks are my hometown team and I just couldn’t ever get into rooting for a different baseball team. But I get how it happens, when people live in different areas for a long time.

                • Salty Buggah says:

                  Yea, I’ve been here for over 10 years now.

                • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops says:

                  I agree with taking your teams where ever you move to. I could not adopt a team if I lived in the town of another team, rather be an outsider there. No real fan of the other team would respect you anyway.

                  I wouldn’t try to make my kids (if I ever have any) a fan of the same team I am rooting for. If it happens, fine, if not, it doesn’t matter. I would take them to games or watch sports together with them, but they should make their own decisions.

              • Dude, totally fine and clearly another exception to my rule. If you grow up in a location without a team, obviously you’re looking elsewhere for a team to root for. And, being from Florida, the Yankees are an obvious choice since they’ve always had roots there and there are so many NYers in Florida.

                • I was a baseball fan. I loved the game and I loved MLB. I finally chose the Yankees, and they promptly took forever to win a World Series.

                  Funny story, when I was a little kid, I was at a Spring Training game in Vero Beach, and I got Yogi Berra’s autograph on a Yankees Team baseball card. I was very excited. So I got another player’s autograph on it as well. I had no idea who the minor leaguer was. About 7 years later I found the card in a box, the other autograph was Don Mattingly.
                  I sold the card in high school to one of my PE coaches so I could buy beer. To this day, I regret that I didn’t buy better beer.

                • Ha, that’s awesome. That PE coach made out like a bandit.

              • YankeeGaGa says:

                1. Jays (because they’re Canadian)
                2. Red Sox (just liked them since 2004)
                3. Yankees (because he looks up to me…and I’m sure this is #2 by now but I havent asked for a while)

                This is only ok if your cousin is 4 years old.

  2. WOOO HOME RUN JETS!

    Am I doing this right?

  3. Reggie C. says:

    Sanchez threw a pretty good ball right there.

  4. Crazy Eyes Killa says:

    Did Nick Johnson pass his physical and everything is done?

  5. Pasqua says:

    Jay Feely should stop thinking about running for office and start thinking about how to kick a field goal with some accuracy.

    [Mumbling to self.]

  6. Salty Buggah says:

    Joshua Cribbs is a beast. 2 – 100+ yard KO returns for TDs. Yet, the Browns are still losing to the Chiefs.

  7. ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops says:

    What do you guys think the Red Sox are going to do now that the Mike Lowell trade fell through? His health now probably make him untradeable and they now should be out of the running for Beltre or Adrian Gonz (whom they wouldn’t have gotten, anyway. Do they risk going into ST with Lowell at 3rd? Any thing else they can do?

    • Drew says:

      They’ll probably have Cameron play behind third so they can utilize his ability while leaving him in left.

    • Can’t they just revisit this trade later, after he recovers from the surgery? He should be fine by, like, the end of February, right?

      Obviously that doesn’t help their situation today, since they can’t rely on making a trade two months down the road when that trade might not happen. The Rangers and Sox both have to move on and make other arrangements, I guess.

      I guess my point is just that they can always dump Lowell on someone else, later this offseason, if they’re willing to pay most of his salary. I actually think they should feel relatively decent about making other moves and assuming they’ll be able to dump him later. If the thumb heals and they’re willing to pay most of his salary, I have to think they’d find someone who could use his bat (and all the wonderful intangibles, of course).

      • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops says:

        Sure, they could revisit the deal, but as you said: Everybody will have moved on and there might not be any opening available. Boston could probably get somebody else for 3rd base as they were willing to send $9M to Texas, but would they again be getting a prospect like Ramirez? This trade falling through is pretty much a kick in the guts for them.

        • “This trade falling through is pretty much a kick in the guts for them.”

          Yeah, it’s definitely not ideal for them today, that’s for sure. We’ll see, though… For all we know, some team’s DH will spontaneously combust on the day he reports to camp and they’ll throw a prospect at Boston for a suddenly healthy Lowell plus salary relief.

          It’s a blow today, but we’ll see what happens. Moving a guy who’s still a decent hitter, is seen as one of the ‘good guys’ in the game and whose contract you’re willing to pay almost in-full isn’t really the most difficult proposition in the world. We’ll see what the landscape looks like when he recovers and is tradeable.

          • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops says:

            I guess there would probably be other DH candidates available as free agents, but your scenario is certainly possible.

            The thing I’m not sure about is if he will really recover that fast. If I were a GM I would want to see him do it in ST before I even consider trading for him.

    • ColoYank says:

      What throws me is that now, all of a sudden, he needs thumb surgery? I don’t blame the Sox for trying to keep that quiet, but what part do Lowell and his agent play in all this cloak-and-dagger stuff? It doesn’t reflect well at all on a guy with a good reputation for character, does it?

      • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops says:

        Did the Red Sox know about that problem? It’s certainly not very honest to try to trade Lowell if they knew he had this injury.

  8. Salty Buggah says:

    Jets FAIL

  9. Drew says:

    That was an interesting play design. The intended receiver had to slow down because the other receiver’s route cut him off.

  10. Salty Buggah says:

    B-Marsh is wearing a Chris Henry jersey? Both their numbers are 15 so that’s pretty cool.

    • Salty Buggah says:

      From Chris Littmann of the Sporting News: http://twitpic.com/uecmc

    • Sleepy Carl says:

      Didn’t you say you went to college at Denver? If so have you heard of a sophomore soccer player their whose last name is Garza?

      • Salty Buggah says:

        DU soccer? I dont think so. I dont many people’s last names though so maybe I have but I doubt it. Also, Im not a big soccer fan. I know several girls who play womens soccer though.

        • sleepykarl says:

          Ah, I figured it was a longshot as soccer is a sport no one pays attention too. It’s one of my friends I went to high school with and he was the Texas state player of the year as my schools soccer team was crazy and won state a few times in the 4 years I was there and national once.

  11. Steve H says:

    Salty, do you still pine for Cutler. He is terrible.

  12. JMK THE OVERSHARE's Glenn Beck Complex says:

    Hey guys, just wondering if anyone has heard an update on the flights around NY/NJ? I hear that things are cancelled and shut down, but all the “official information” says everything is on schedule.

    Anyone know what the status is, specifically in Newark?

  13. Pete C. says:

    Just wanted to check-in and relay this tid-bit; My son took me to Cooperstown yesterday for my birthday. He wouldn’t tell me where we were going until I figured it out at about the N.Y., Mass., Ct. border. 3-1/2 hours one way, from central Ct. And yes it’s true they don’t roll the sidewalks up after labor day. The museum was just about empty, and we parked right out front, that’s right at the front door.
    He went there last summer with a bunch of his Marine buddies when they were on liberty from training at fort Drum and that’s when he got the idea.
    I sent a Yogi Berra postcard to my redsox fan friends at work, reaffirming that there’s “way more Yankee stuff up here than Boston stuff” and spent the day reflecting on how my son really is the best.

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