Open Thread: The highest paid players in baseball history
ByWho’s the highest paid paid player in baseball? Alex Rodriguez. Duh. In terms of average annual salary, he’s held the title since 2000 (though in certain years, like 2004, other players’ escalators might have put them ahead). He supplanted Mike Hampton, who had signed an eight-year, $123 million contract just two days prior. If you think that’s a quick change of the guard, well, then you’re not familiar with the situation in 1989.
In one of my favorite articles in recent memory, Larry at Wezen Ball chronicles the highest paid player in baseball, starting with Nolan Ryan in 1979, when he signed a three-year, $3.5 million contract. If you have a few minutes to kill, I absolutely recommend you browse the list. There are quite a few amusing sequences, especially the aforementioned 1989 situation.
In the span of less than a month, five different players held the title of baseball’s highest pay player (again, in terms of average annual salary). First it was Kirby Puckett with a three-year, $9 million contract on November 22. Rickey Henderson quickly followed with a four-year, $12 million contract, putting him on even ground with Puckett. Mark Langston, however, topped them both three days after Henderson when he signed a five-year, $16 million deal. Ten days after Langston, Mark Davis signed a four-year, $13 million contract with the Royals that paid him $3.25 million per season, or $50,000 more than Langston.
The craziest part? Four more players held the title before the end of the 1990 season, including Don Mattingly for a little over two months. The title changed hands frequently until 1993, when Cecil Fielder signed a five-year, $36 million contract with the Tigers (the Yanks would benefit from the tail end of that one). From there no player made more per year than Fielder (or Bonds, depending on how you view it) until Ken Griffey Jr. in 1996. The title then changed hands frequently again until 2000, when A-Rod took the title and kept it.
Seriously, check out the post. And then, when you’re done, check out Joe Posnanski’s post about the first X million player. Who was the first $10 million player? The first $15 million? Joe’s got all the answers.
When you’re done with that, come back for our open thread. I hear we’re serving punch and pie inside.
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“Larry at Wezen Ball chronicles the highest paid player in baseball, starting with Nolan Ryan in 1979, when he signed a three-year, $3.5 million contract.”
3.5M over 3 years? What are you, the King of England?
Sincerely,
Idiots from 1979
http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....chool.html
Where were these teachers when I was in High School?
Haha, I read that too.
One of the teachers “dressed like a teenage girl – she’d wear low-cut tops, shorts, three-quarter length jeans. She was kinda sexy.”
I’ve only seen 2 teachers like that.
My English professor last semester was smoking hot. Pawlikowski can back me up on that.
I’m taking one of her classes this spring, and I don’t even like lit classes that much.
Haha, that’s awesome. I have yet to see even a slightly hot professor, which sucks.
I’d totally run away with her some place far, far away, where there’s nothing to do but stay inside all day…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TVooUHN7j4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....eature=fvw
Nice. Loved the Kool-Aid at the end.
Lego FTW.
The only downside: She’s a Brit-Lit chick. She’s gonna drive you nuts with ceaseless recitations of Percy Bysshe Shelley and George Eliot.
Liberal arts lovers do it inventively.
that story gave me midwood
http://www.entertonement.com/c.....c-Effects-
what i get for working blue
I had one teacher like that in high school. Despite being an English teacher, she was fairly close to illiterate. It didn’t matter though. SHE WAS HOT. Not classy hot—more stripper hot.
She’d stumble into first period ten minutes late, reeking of booze and cigarettes. Her nose ring would occasionally be swollen or the skin around it would be peeling.
She had a bangin’ body, though. Juicy boobs, small waist, fine ass. She’d wear tight dress pants and always sit on the desks, exposing her g-string. She’d always flirt with the boys while nursing her hangover. What a trooper she was.
She didn’t know what a gerund was, so for me, that was a bit of a deal-breaker.
Ms. Grayson. Oh yeah.
she’s helping me straighten out my longfellow
/dangerfield’d
“Not classy hot—more stripper hot.”
“Juicy boobs, small waist, fine ass.”
Yea, there was one teacher like that in my HS. I never had her but I always hung out there because a lot of my friends were in one of her classes and I had an off-hour at that time. She knew that all 7 of us liked her so she would always mess with us. One day, we saw her at this night club (well, I was there didn’t see her but my friends did…I was not with them at that time). She got so embarrassed so she made us promise not to tell anyone. She became super nice to us after that. Good times.
WORST.
JANITOR.
EVER.
Why are so many people claiming the Yanks are gonna trade the Swish? That’s dare I say…BATSHIT INSANE!
Agreed. I’d rather keep Swish than resign Damon.
Every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Swisher, 2009 WAR: +3.5
Damon, 2009 WAR: +3.0
Swisher: ~16MM for 2 years
Damon: 20MM(?) for 2 years
The more information you add, the more of a slam dunk it becomes.
Sincerely,
George Tenet
doesn’t it sortof depend on the return?
obviously trading Swisher is UNLIKELY to be advisable, but there are still plenty of players i would trade him for.
Will Felix or Mauer break A-Rod’s record?
I know Jesus will.
These rumors floating around the ether that Felix is asking for 6/100 and the Mariners are offering 6/50 have seriously depressed me.
I don’t want Felix to be ONLY asking for 6/100, because that’s a number that the Mariners can get within shouting distance of.
It’s time for some ol’ style, Big George-level tampering to go down here. I want Felix to know that, if he waits it out and hits the market, we’re prepared to throw stupid, ridiculous, obscene levels of money at him, something that puts 6/100 to shame.
We’re itching to give him 200M in the blink of an eye.
Think big picture, Felix. Don’t sell yourself short.
Remember LeBron. Did he sign a below market extension with the Cavs, locking himself into financial security? No, he didn’t. He went for the big bucks. The spotlight.
Let’s start calling Felix, under the table. Let some rumors drop. Let him know. Get him excited. We’ll beat ANY offer.
You capitalistic bastard you.
All your base are belong to us.
What you say!!
yea, Felix would be an idiot to take only that when in 2011 he could get WAAAY more. Also, some rumors say that the Mariners aren’t willing to give him that much and will only give 4 years, 60 mil. WTF!!!
More than that though.
It would be immoral for a pitcher like Felix Hernandez to take between 6/50 and 6/100. MLB has turned a blind eye to enough crimes as it is (see: alternate uniforms, camo) but this? This could not stand. This would set a precedent for young phenoms that could wreck their future for years to come. These young arms with so much ability and so much to give, struck down in their prime by noncompetitive extensions?
It’s sick and I won’t have it. Not while America is still free.
Freedom isn’t free, Riddering. It costs a hefty fuckin’ fee.
It takes folks like you and me. And if we don’t throw in our buck-o-five, who will?
http://vimeo.com/2221368
Bah, that link sucked. Try this one.
http://vids.myspace.com/index......oID=465377
I am not sure if you are being sarcastic and this is kind of a response to the whole thread, but if Felix can get close to 100 million IMO that would be very smart move by him.
The guy is so young that even after signing a 5-6 year contract he would hit the free agent market ready to cash in on a 100+ million deal regardless.
Anything thing can happen in 2 years especially to a pitcher. Look at Wang. He can set himself up for life and still be in line for a 100+ million dollar contract. I do that without blinking an eye if I am him. But, if it is closer to 50 million than 100 million, not so much.
but if Felix can get close to 100 million IMO that would be very smart move by him.
It most definitely would be.
My counterargument: It’s a far, far riskier move, because he could blow out his shoulder in a blink of an eye, but him taking a 6/100 now, while smart, would suck for him if he could wait two more years and instead take maybe an 8/200 from us.
Yeah, I definitely understand the counter-argument, but some people were saying/inferring that signing an extension with the Mariners would be crazy/stupid/ridiculous etc. While, my opinion that not only is it none of those things, but potentially a smart move.
I take back without blinking an eye, I would take the extension. However, weighing my options if I was in his shoes I would most likely sign up for 4-6 more years with the Mariners at the right price. However, with those dollars being waved in my face if I can hold out for 2 more years it certainly is a tough decision.
Given his age he is really in a position that no other pitcher in baseball has ever been before.
He’s the ARod of pitching.
Which makes it even sweeter that they’d both start out in Seattle and Big, Bad NY would rip the city’s heart out, TWICE.
(Sort of. Seattle-ites hate the Yankees for having ARod, even though we’re not the ones that signed him away from Seattle. Petty details.)
One of the most underrated parts of the trade for AROD was how great a value the Yankees had him at. What were they paying him 16 or 17 mill a year? That is not chump change, but for AROD it is.
America is still free? Try exercising those ‘freedoms’ and get back to me.
Sincerely,
Joe the Plumber
Nobody is going to break that record..at all.
When A-Rod sign his contract, it was basically the perfect storm.
Hey Donkey, I like your fur, that’s really great.
You eat apples, right? I was in The Perfect Storm.
Okay Donkey, I’ll talk to you later. Say hello to your mother for me.
When you’re done with that, come back for our open thread. I hear we’re serving punch and pie inside.
gay
(raises eyebrows, backs away slowly)
Color me confused.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH nevermind.
Eh, it’s pretty clear:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia
So I’m about 3 weeks late for registering and need to register for one more class. But most of the classes are full and only 2 are left for my Arts and Humanities requirements (luckily, both fit my time). Which one should I take?
Foundations in Philosophy: Discovering Philosophy (but this is at 8 in the morning so I would need to wake up at 6)
or
Foundations in History: Gandhi’s India (but this from 4 in the evening to 6 but that’s OK)
There’s a Foundations in Music class but I’m not interested and I hear it’s super hard. The classes I wanted were “Foundations in Literature: Marvel, Monsters, and Misfits” or “Foundations in World Cultures: Myths of Greece and Rome” but they’re full now.
What do you guys suggest?
Foundations in Philosophy: Discovering Philosophy (but this is at 8 in the morning so I would need to wake up at 6)
or
Foundations in History: Gandhi’s India (but this from 4 in the evening to 6 but that’s OK)
Is this a serious question? Are you really still thinking about this?
A) morning classes ALWAYS suck.
B) The Indian History class will probably have at least one hot South Asian chick in it.
Come on, man, this is basic stuff. You should know this already.
Whoops, I read it wrong. The Indian history class in the morning and the Philosophy one is in the evening. And besides, the South Asian girls in DU…ehh. The South Asian girls at the community college 20 mins away…MMMMM.
Ah. That changes everything.
(thinks about this more deeply)
Take the evening class. 8AM classes are always murder.
See, that’s what I think. I don’t want to get up a 6 everyday (even though I had to for my 4 years in high school). Philosophy it is I guess. I hope that one remaining spot is still there.
Where do you go to school, again? CU Boulder is it?
University of Denver
Got it.
So you live in Denver?
Yea, in one of the suburbs.
Who does like to get up 8 in the morning for class. In HS, you really had no choice, in college you do. This semester, I had 10 AM classes and next semester the earliest class imma gonna get is at 11:30.
Yea, last semester I had class at 10 2 days and 12 the other 2.
Yeah I had a similar experience this semester. I have an 8 AM Media class and it’s brutal (even though I love the class).
So next semester I have nothing that starts before 10 and I’m always done by 2:30.
“WHY ARE YOU TEACHING THIS SHIT AT THIS UNGODLY HOUR, YOUR TRYING TO KEEP IT A SECRET”
Can you get credit from the community college… may be worth purusing if the talent is better.
A) morning classes ALWAYS suck.
Amen.
On a more serious note, Gandhi is really interesting.
Yeah, but, I could take him in a fight. He’s a pussy.
I chuckled.
Ghandi: The Jews in WWII should have been nonviolent.
Everyone else: Wait, what?
I think you’re majoring in economics, no? Study anything that explains what makes humans tick. Economics is basically the study of human behavior, much of it appearing irrational. I’d try to get into anything I could about (or relating to) human psychology. I’m not talking about marketing, more ‘Freakonomics’ type stuff.
Freakonomics is pop science.
The textbook defination, of what economics is the study of scarce resources and best how to allocate them. In some cases, behavior is irrational (Certain luxury items for example). But in other cases, the behavior is quite logical: The substitution effect for example: If you cannot afford Porterhouse Steak, you might elect to choose Skirt Steak, until the price drops, or some other condition occurs, that will allow you to purchase the Porterhouse Steak, at a price you are comfortable with.
The textbook defination, of what economics is the study of scarce resources and best how to allocate them.
:: facepalm ::
Philosophy is totally boring. I dated a chick who majored in that, and the professors were a bunch of outer-space liberals, who had bizarre ideas about everything, and were difficult graders. I would take Gandhi’s India. TSJC is right about Indian women (Although Women from Central Asia (Kazakistan etc), the Republic of Georgia, and of course, Columbia are hotter).
…
No, there is too much.
Verizon didn’t tell me when I got a cell phone update that trying to sync the new phone to my laptop would cause me frustration to the power of bashing my head against a wall.
Thanks, V.
Bonus, though: You’ve got a great map.
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I’d rather have Catherine Zeta-Jones.
Kinky. I like it.
I’m in.
Nolan Ryan, 3 years for $3.5MM?
Get it done, Cash!
http://talksportsphilly.com/?p=1307
analysis of Granderson Deal ^^
Once I read “the Yankees’ best prospect in Austin Jackson,” I stopped reading.
Agreed. Oh, and Ian Kennedy was a worthless throw-in.
Awful.
I love how everyone agrees that AZ got screwed on this deal. Raises the likelihood that 5 years from now, we’ll all be saying “What on Earth was Detroit thinking?”
I don’t think AZ completely got screwed. Idk much about the prospects they gave up, but I think IPK will be a solid 3/4 starter in the NL west.
Yep, I always liked IPK and in that division and ballpark he should be fine.
And Scherzer is a 1/2 in the NL West
He’s not a 1/2 when he’s on the DL.
Teams always know their own players health history better than anyone else. Not everything ends up in the medicals. When a team lets someone like him go, citing medical concerns, that raises an eyebrow for me.
Plus, Dombrowski was desperate to unload some cash. The team lost a fortune last year. Don’t be surprised if (in retrospect) they made a bad deal here.
“Melky Cabrera is not an everyday player”
Again, this baffles me. He hit league average! Since when is league average not an every day player?
And fields at least league average, in center-fucking-field.
He’s not an everyday player if he’s a 1b, he’s certainly an everyday player as a CF.
If a RABbi defends Melky, you know there’s some serious Melk-hating going on.
The Yankees will never win a World Series with Melky Cabrera in CF.
Detroit Tigers, “last several years:
2009: 86-77, just barely missed playoffs on final day of season
2008: 74-88
2007: 88-74, missed playoffs by 6 games
2006: 95-67, advanced to World Series
That’s not “among the most dissappointing and highest paid teams.” That would probably be the Mariners, or Mets.
Here’s an interesting one: Stark says on his Twitter that after the Yanks dealt for Granderson, the Royals called to see if Gardner could be had.
http://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/6514102948
Gardner for Soria. Get it done Cash.
Gardner for Tejada?
Wow! I was just going to post that. And I was going to recommend Soria too.
It’d be awesome. It won’t happen. But it’d be awesome.
Yea. How about Gardy for Dejesus?
I wouldn’t mind that either.
If they’re willing to give us Soria AND one of Hosmer or Moustakas, I’ll throw in Juan Miranda and Edwar Ramirez.
The Royals can’t resist 1B/DHs, slap-hitting CF’s, and fringy relievers.
That reminds me. in 08, some dude in ESPN forums tried to convince everyone to trade Joba and/or Hughes or whatever it took for Moustakas. He was sure this guy’s a star. Haha, well, not so much now. He’s good but not all that hyped as before.
Gardner for Bannister.
Greinke, man!
Gardner for a case of midwest steaks.
True story: There’s a “Nebraska Steakhouse” down on Wall Street.
I haven’t been.
True Story too: There’s a Fleming’s Steakhouse right down the road from the Yankee’s Spring Training Complex.
I haven’t been. (My last name is Fleming)
Gardner for Greinke?
Gardner can be had for pretty much anyone not named “Mike Jacobs” or “Kyle Foureyesworthless”.
So Cash won’t go more than one year on Damon. Take it or leave it.
And on DHs: “You can turn left, you can turn right, you can look up and down, and you’ve got a DH sitting right there begging for a job.”
That’s what I wanted to hear. Cash rules.
Cashman: You know what it takes to be a GM?
It takes brass balls to be a GM.
You got the players comin’ in; you think they came in to get out of the rain? Guy doesn’t walk on the field unless he wants to play. Sitting out there waiting to take your employers’ money! Are you gonna give it to him? Are you man enough to give it to him?
Cashmeezy: I’ve been in this business 15 years.
Padres GM Jed Hoyer: What’s your name?
Cashmeezy: FUCK YOU, that’s my name. You know why? ‘Cause you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a $70,000 BMW, THAT’S my name.
80*
sooooo much gggr
Mariano Rivera gave up 7 hr’s in 2009. guess who hit one of them?
http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/.....8;c_id=det
RAB took a small step forward today. RAB’s own Joseph Pawlikowski broke the news of for the time of the Grandy trade’s press conference. He beat everyone else (I think).
When is it?
It was at 4:30.
Jennings had a nice wrap on LoHud.
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....-official/
Yea, it was 4:30 and Joe broke that news.
Atta babe, Joe.
EVERY EPISODE OF MST3K EVER
http://www.surfthechannel.com/show/1144.html
You’re Welcome.
I had forgotten that MST3K debuted in 1989.
I think 1947, 1968, 1989, and 2008 are probably the 4 single most significant calendar years since the end of WWII. JMHO.
You’re the man, pat.
There’s some episodes on Hulu, too.
Space Mutiny. Watch it.
Also, Pumaman.
Those 30 seconds commercials before the mlb.com videos are so fuckin annoying.
Scranton’s LF for 2010 (fingers crossed), Wily Mo Pena, is playing for Licey and ESPN Deportes right now.
If Hank didnt go behind Cashmans back and resigned Arod. What kind of deal would Arod have gotten out on the FA market?
An 8-year deal at around $25 mil. would be my guess. That’s what, $200 million total?
I saw Cash on MLB Network where he mentioned he will look at adding to the bench. Does this mean Melk or Gardner are on the move?
According to Craig Calcaterra of NBCSports.com, the Rangers have agreed to a one-year, $7.5 million contract with right-hander Rich Harden.
I like this, in that maybe it takes Texas out of the Ben Sheets running. Even though they just traded Millwood, would they really want to give 2/5 of their rotation to guys who are far from sure bets healthwise. Also, with their financial issues, I don’t see them bringing Sheets in if the Harden report is true.
I’m amazed how much these guys are getting guaranteed.
Yeah, that’s asking for trouble IMO.
I don’t care what anyone says, Smoltz and Penny were still brilliant moves. So brilliant that only a genius could understand them.
Rocco Baldelli played every day and hit .400/.500/.700, and won Gold Gloves at both CF and SS. I remember it like it was yesterday.
Former Yankee Player X Platoon Splits
1991
vs RHP as LH .278/.381/.556/.937
vs LHP as LH .206/.260/.315/.575
1992
vs RHP as LH .256/.379/.415/.794
vs LHP as LH .226/.273/.292/.565
1993
vs RHP as LH .342/.400/.573/.973
vs LHP as LH .230/.279/.319/.597
1994
vs RHP as LH .380/.469/.616/1.085
vs LHP as LH .305/.439/.571/1.011
Figured it out at age 31 and was good against Lefties for much of the rest of his career. Anyone know who it is?
Paul O’Neill
I’m wrong, btw.
I’m wrong, btw.Should have stuck with your first answer.
My point is that Paul O’Niell was a guy who had a tag that he “couldn’t hit lefties” when he got here, yet figured it out and had some truly great years here. It can be done.
People think that the short porch can be too tempting and it can make a guy pull the ball more. Sometimes that’s true, but for a guy who has just recently become pull happy like Granderson I think the short porch will help him relax. Seeing that he’ll get a few easy bombs he can afford to think up the middle more, and then everything falls into place.
We’ll see how it all works out, but everyone says that Grandy’s a very bright guy. I have to believe he’ll figure it out.
Haha I checked baseball reference and saw O’Neill wasn’t a Yankee in ’91. Then I realized that you never said this player was a Yankee in ’91 and that the splits you put up were in fact his.
But I agree with your point and even though I’ve been a skeptic of Granderson, I’m on board and hoping I’m 100% dead wrong.
When you buy a player you’re not just buying his stats, but also the type of person he is and the character behind that person.
Grandy’s SUCH a good guy, a smart guy, plays the game hard, and does everything the right way that I have to believe if anyone will figure it out, he will. I’ll put my money on him and sleep like a baby.
I see your point, but if anything, Paul O’Neill is likely an extreme outlier. Don’t count on anything like that repeating.
If Granderson can improve to .235/.340/.450 against LHP, we’d be thrilled.
Mel Hall?
Jesus Montero.
I was wondering, just today, what the hell ever happened to Alex Rodriguez.
???
he’s just not in the news. and I miss him.
He passed away. He is survived by Nails Krzyzewski and the ability to hit 500-foot home runs while crushing the hopes and dreams of Twins, Angels, and Phillies fans everywhere.
/The Onion Sports Network
Bringing Chapman in would be a nice way to fill that 2nd-best-prospect-in-the-system hole that Ajax left.
It certainly would, but the team has needs that need to be addressed before that like LF and DH
I wonder how much those two things are really related.
Chapman may be viewed in a separate budget. He’s like an IFA, for all intents and purposes.
This is definitely true. Personally I’d like to see Cashman finish the “A-lineup” though before possibly moving onto Chapman. Let the market for Chapman develop, the later NYY gets in, the smaller it will be (dollars wise). I know people want Damon’s bat, but I think he’s just a clog standing between Posada hitting 5th via the DH spot several times a week (Assuming they can sign 1 of Cameron, Damon, Matsui) or having Johnny breakdown in the field. I’d say sign Cameron before you do anything else, Scott Boras is going to hold Damon up, but if he’ll quickly take a 1 yr than it makes your decision more difficult.
I’m thinking about how good this team is going to be with Granderson patrolling Center, and I’m asking who in their right mind wouldn’t want to be a part of that. Matsui and Damon both have so much money, they can each sacrifice a few mill to be back. I bet Matsui wouldn’t mind if Cash has a roster spot open for him. I want Matsui back, but I’m also really liking the way Cashman is operating right now, I feel like the 2009 title, (regardless of how much money he went out and spent the offseason before) has taken a lot of pressure off his back and its safe to expect some more pretty shrewd moves of the organization going forward.
If Damon refuses to sign a one year deal or one with an option. Would anyone entertain the idea of milton bradley for left/DH? Have the cubs pick up some of the salary and he would be cheaper than Damon. Switch hitter and a better fielder. He is injury prone but there is a clause in his contract that if he ends up on the DL for a prolonged amount of time the 3rd year turns into a club option. As for the attitude I would hope the chance of winning a world series would calm him down. Any takers? It would cost nothing. Or maybe they could throw in Igawa to offset some salary.
Wait for it…
My username says no.
Would anyone entertain the idea of milton bradley for left/DH?
No.
Have the cubs pick up some of the salary
They’d have to pick up ALL the salary to make it even REMOTELY an option.
and he would be cheaper than Damon.
He’s got 21M he’s owed the next two years.
Switch hitter
…who’s always been fairly pedestrian, outside of a sudden and unexpected surge in rate stats that probably entirely a creation of the Ballpark at Arlington Yards
and a better fielder.
Milton Bradley is NOT a better fielder than Johnny Damon, and that’s saying something.
He is injury prone but there is a clause in his contract that if he ends up on the DL for a prolonged amount of time the 3rd year turns into a club option.
So, basically, the only way his contract is cost-effective is if he’s hurt, which he is frequently… yeah, that’s not making me like him any more.
As for the attitude I would hope the chance of winning a world series would calm him down.
Keep hope alive.
Any takers?
No.
It would cost nothing.
That’s a lie.
There it is.
I gallimaufried that shizz.
I googled your exact words.
It was awesome.
You just drank his milkshake.
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Call me crazy, but I can see the Yanks signing Holliday out of nowhere and trading one of the other OFers for a back-end starter.
crazy
Bastard.
I think the Yanks will sign one of the high-risk/high reward starters, and that’s about it. Maybe one of Damon/Matsui, but only if their market collapses. That’s more likely to happen with Hideki than Johnny.
Crazy.
Well, you are a woman…
I will not call you crazy. If they have room for one more big contract, as is rumored, they could definitely go for Holliday.
Yeah, wherever it was that I read that is what made me think that this is a possibility.
When it happens, folks, you heard it here first.
. . . and then we can start calling you Nostra-Kiersten.
A corner OF over a frontline starter? Wait a year, the money is not going anywhere
If they have room for one more big contract, as is rumored, they could definitely go for Holliday.
Agreed.
They shouldn’t, though. With Granderson and Swisher as 2/3rds of our outfield, there’s a nice strategic advantage of keeping that 3rd OF spot on a short-term, one-year deal.
Flexibility, holmes.
…..and spend the money on a starter either next year or beyond, if Felix signs with Seattle it likely won’t be him but its nice to keep hope alive
They basically cannot do this- just another long term contract that they’re locked into.
Well it depends on how many years and money it would take, but if the Red Sox and the Mets won’t do it (not saying they won’t, IF they won’t), I don’t think he’ll get that many years from anybody else.
I know it locks up our OF, but that nomaas post from a couple of weeks ago sold me. Plus money is no issue for me because let’s face it, garlic fries are still going to cost $6 whether or not we sign Matt Holliday.
And it’s at a non-premium spot. No thank you to this idea.
So the Angels offered Saunders, Aybar, and Bourjos for Halladay. Is that a horrible package or a horrible package?
Eh, replace Saunders with Weaver and it is problably the best Toronto will do at this point.
Yeaaaahhh … Angels not going to that. Jered Weaver > Saunders.
Not great, but dont forget its only for 1 year of Halladay.
The Angels had a down year for prospects. They don’t have a lot of “wow” players to give up. Brandon Wood is probably one of the more enticing, Trevor Reckling is a nice-looking guy, ditto Hank Conger. Would that get it done? Hmmm…I don’t think so, but it’s hard to know how they’d value those players.
Aybar, Weaver, Conger/Wood/Reckling sounds like a good package.
They can’t move Wood, he’s their Chone Figgins replacement.
Yeah, that’s the main problem. I just don’t see any other near-major hitters that would wow the Jays. Conger is the only one, but he’s not nearly the hitter I think they’d want.
I had a crazy idea. What would it take to get Seth Smith for out left field vacancy? He really doesn’t have a place in Colorado with Fowler, Gonzalez, Spilborghs and Hawpe all there. I know the Rockies are looking at signing Torrealba for two years at like 5 million dollars. Why not trade them Cervelli plus a pitcher and get a guy in Seth Smith who could give us at least adequate production with a bunch of speech and above-average defense at the major league minimum.
I figure it helps the Rockies today as they can plug Cervelli in at catcher at least half of the time with Iannetta plus gives them an arm while only really losing a guy who is going to be a fourth outfielder for them. Am I crazy? Thoughts?
A) Cervelli actually has a good amount of value to us. If we deal him away, we’d have to bring back Jose Molina or some other catcher at a 2-4M salary to be the backup.
B) In order to clear their OF logjam, I think they’re vastly more interested in moving Spillborghs or Hawpe than Smith. Smith’s younger and better. He may not be available.
You’re not crazy, though. I just don’t think the deal lines up the way we’d like (or they’d like, for that matter.)
I was thinking along the same lines. But I also concluded this, Cervelli certainly does have considerable value to us but that I could live with having Jose Molina hang out (and catch AJ of course!) for a season or two before Montero and/or Romine are ready. The money we save by no longer having to sign Damon would more than make up for the money we’d have to pay a decent backup catcher.
As for him not being available, yeah it wouldn’t really surprise me if he wasn’t. But, Hawpe is currently one of their only power threats so despite the fact that he’s an annual winner of the iron glove, I don’t think they’re going to move him. Also, Fowler and Gonzalez aren’t going anywhere. I doubt they’d get anything of value for Spillborghs as he’s going to be 30 next season and doesn’t hardly hit well enough to be a fourth outfielder. I just thought it would be an interesting trade idea
Like I said, it’s not a horrible trade idea (like most of the other ideas have been this winter, non-Granderson division), but I just don’t see it lining up where both teams give and get something they want.
Not a non-starter, just a non-finisher, IMO.
“Yankees aren’t satisfied with OF even after Granderson acquisition, source said. Still a strong player for Holliday, with Damon as fallback.”
Twitter: Steve Henson.
I’m calling BS.
Who is that, Jim Henson’s son?
Drew Henson’s brother?
Matthew Henson’s second cousin?
This is just wrong
http://nomaas.org/blog/wp-cont.....k_ajax.jpg
Very funny, but wrong.
Heh.
Poor Phil Coke… not even good enough to be lampooned.
cash actually does look like oswald
Doesn’t he?
Absolutely hilarious. I’m always impressed by the people who talk about how inappropriate their pictures are. I mean do these people understand what site they’re visiting?
My phone finally connected. PARTY AT MY PLACE.
(grabs bottle of vodka and box of condoms)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_mXAZdqRAY (NSFW)
It’s the good shit, too. Belvedere.
None of that “plastic bottle of Gordon’s” for you, baby.
Look, the most glorious rainbow ever.
Riddering: Take me to PleasureTown!
Tommie: OH, WE’RE GOING THERE!
Regarding your YouTube clip:
You know, outside of the massive chaotic revolutionary public guillotining, 18th century France looks pretty fucking awesome.
Signed,
Ben Franklin
Orgies are all fun and games until someone pokes an eye out.
Then they are more fun.
- de Sade
I’ve seen that commercial at 3 A.M. Not falling for that again…
Haha, fantastic.
http://twitter.com/stevehenson.....6511044330
Well I just don’t believe that at all, but yea he would he look good in pinstripes.
“stevehenson333″
That’s half the Number of the Beast. Be forewarned.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....nd-forman/
Nice to see Forman get recognized. That’s one HOF ballot that should be reliably informed.
BBWAA: Congratulations, Sean, you’re in.
Forman: Do I get to vote people out?
I still can’t believe the Knicks have Jordan Hill when Jennings is pwning bitches. Jordan Hill…
Boston and Texas in trade talks for Mike Lowell?
First of all, where is he going to play?? And secondly, this clearly means they’re going to try to go all in for Adrian or Miguel or somebody of that nature…otherwise, you just keep Lowell…who can probably only hit at Fenway Park and not anywhere else.
Cabrera makes more sense to me. The Tigers would still like to unload salary, they only took 10 mil off with the Jackson/Grandy deal. He’s making huge money (which the Sox can afford) and would therefore cost less in talent. His defensive deficiencies are less of an issue in Fenway Park. They can play him at 1B and then move him to LF in a few years.
Miguel Cabrera would be their next Manny Ramirez.
Not.
Gonna.
Happen.
Why not?
A) Detroit’s not trading him. He’s their entire offense, and they have tons of expiring money, they payroll drops to like 50M next year when Willis/Robertson/Bonderman disappear.
B) They’d only move him for a massive haul, and Boston wouldn’t give up that massive haul for him.
Yeah, I saw Reggie’s post below. I’ll buy the payroll stuff, but if you’re Theo Epstien (*shivers*) and you have two trade targets in A-Gon and Miggy, Miggy H-A-S to cost a lot less. Similar hitter, signed to a much cheaper deal.
if you’re Theo Epstien (*shivers*) and you have two trade targets in A-Gon and Miggy, Miggy H-A-S to cost a lot less. Similar hitter, signed to a much cheaper deal.
I agree.
My retort: Having one of your testicles gouged by a Dremel rotary tool probably hurts less than having both of your testicles gouged by a Dremel rotary tool.
Now they’re saying Beltre to 3B for Boston.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....eltre.html
Meh.
That one, I believe. Good move for them, too.
Depends on what Lowell has left. If he’s healthy, its a lateral move to slight downgrade. But the Sox seem to think Lowell’s pretty much done.
The evidentiary record agrees with them.
He also is their franchise, and happens to be good enough that he can come as close to carrying a team offensively as just about anyone can. They won’t move him unless the Red Sox gave them literally everything they could possibly want which would be the moon and the stars too.
They’ve already made it clear that they’re rebuilding for the next year or two.
That rebuilding just happened. It was called “The Curtis Granderson Trade at the 2009 Winter Meetings”.
It’s finished now.
Several posters discussed this Miggy-to-the-RS question about last night. We (mostly TSJC) pretty much concluded that Detroit has so much money coming off the books after 2010 that Miggy’s contract gets very affordable and wouldn’t impinge Detroit’s efforts to nab a couple high-priced free agents. Miggy ain’t going no-where if Detroit wants to contend in 2011.
OK, I’ll buy that.
Adrian Beltre to the RS rumors have been kicking about today. Boras actually said that Beltre has Jason Bay level offensive ability. Seriously.
How are the Red Sox going to sign Beltre, Bay or Holliday, AND take on almost all of Lowell’s contract though? Just doesn’t seem likely…Boras won’t let Beltre come cheap…and Bay already rejected a 4 years $60M offer…and Holliday will be way more than both.
Well, the market for Beltre hasn’t been established. I haven’t seen dollar figures estimated, and the Bay market remains speculative. Bay might very well come crawling back to Boston and take a 4 yr /$60MM.
There were rumblings that Beltre wanted $10+ million per year…which I see him having a hard time making…but with Boras…anything is possible I guess. I see more of an $8M range…and Bay probably isn’t going anywhere until Holliday signs.
Looks like the Rangers and Red Sox are close to working a trade out:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-deal.html
And the Sox are eating a ton of salary too. Interesting.
I guess you did not hear the Red Sox are going to shed salary by trading Papelbon for Gonzalez.
“Yankees GM Brian Cashman doesn’t consider Aroldis Chapman an option for the team’s rotation next year, according to Newsday’s Ken Davidoff.”
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ors-2.html
That’s a question that so colossally stupid I can only imagine what was going through Cash’s head before he answered.
Andy: Is it true that “if you don’t use it, you lose it?”
Instructor: Is that a serious question?
Andy: No, it wasn’t.
Are others also under the belief that the Rangers could well become a powerhouse in the AL. They’re roster and system is completely stacked with guys who can play.
jorgearangure: RT @ACardenas13: #Diamondbacks OF Gerardo Parra suffered partial tear of the rectus muscle in his left thigh in the Venezuelan Winter League
Ouch.
Rectus? Damn near killed us
IETC.
His coach called it an injury, he called it one hell of a Friday night.
Just so there isn’t too much confusion. The rectus muscle of the thigh is part of the quadricep.
Ewwww. He craps through his leg?!?!
So does he sit or stand?
I would think stand.
Plus, I’ll bet he gets loads of invites to bikini dance at Chelsea night clubs.
To piggyback off Chip and TSJC’s convo, what would you guys think about Ryan Spilborghs?
He appears to be around .290/.350/.440 hitter with good defense in LF. Looks like a DeJesus-type. Oh, and he hits lefties well (.294/.367/.483).
He has his concerns but he might be a decent player.
Pass, got his most AB’s last year and was terrible. Career on the road (outside of Coors) .260/.330/.400.
Maybe for Wordkemper.
There we go…answers my question (below).
Yeah, but if he wasn’t healthy last year and you go more on his previous totals, he looks pretty good. Now, he’s getting up there in age, hasn’t shown the ability (or had the opportunity) to play the whole year, and is pedestrian away from Colorado (though a lot of that is skewed by his poor 2009; players almost always hit better at home).
Just throwing ideas out there.
Any idea how he hits on the road vs. LHP? I was looking further at his stats, if he has hit LHP on the road, I’m more intrigued.
Yeah, he does pretty well.
He looks like more of a 4th OF type, but a platoon with Granderson against tough LHP may be an option.
Not sure he could handle starting LF. Again, just kicking the can.
He’s definitely a tweener. Doesn’t quite have the speed to be a good defensive centerfielder and doesn’t quite have the bat to play in a corner
Are those numbers inflated with Coors Field? How are the Home/Road splits?
Career home/road splits:
Home: .304/.376/.486/.861
Away: .260/.330/.400/.730
He did struggle in 2006 and 2009, though he struggled across the board in 2009. However, he did well on the road in 2007, 2008.
Worthwhile. All depends on price. If they’re motivated sellers, sure, why not.
In fact, taking Spilborghs out of Coors is like taking the Michelin Woman out of VT. Loses a lot of appeal once you cross state lines.
Spilboroghs would be nice but he’s not a full time player.
Probably not. I think I’d rather have DeJesus or Cameron, with Cameron being the top option.
DO NOT WANT HOLLIDAY OR BAY.
*Trade Gardner for a relief pitcher or straight-up for DeJesus if they’re willing.
*Crazy long-shot: small deal as depth, platoon LF for Matt Murton. To get him away from Japan we buy him an anime dvd set and some funny-flavored ice cream. And a schoolgirl whore.
gardner plus what gets us dejesus?
I doubt that gets us DeJesus.
What if we throw in the schoolgirl whore we were going to give Murton?
Don’t think that flies in the “Bible Belt.”
Probably not. Gardner+Adams? I have no idea what they’d be looking for. We can’t offer shit from the OF, we have a few corner IF guys. Suttle, Miranda. A catcher like Higgy maybe?
Romulo Sanchez?
The guy we pick in Rule V tomorrow?
Any thoughts, Matt?
I looked at him as well but like TSJC said, it’s all about price. He’d play great defense but I’m skeptical he could really hit much more than Melky. Plus he’s 29 and will be entering his first year of arbitration. Also, the dude has like zero power.
All those things favor Seth Smith much more. He’s got a ton of years of control left, won’t be making anything for at least three more years and has power.
For Smith, I’d be willing to give something of value up for him for the chance that he might be a steady contributor for super cheap over the next 4-6 years maybe putting up a .280/.350/.480 line while playing great defense. For Spilborghs, I’d take him if they left him on the front door but that’s about it.
Smith doesn’t hit lefties, though.
70 at-bats does not a career make
Josh Willingham as DH/LF, anyone? he would be a nice option if Damon and Matsui goes elsewhere.
I think he’d cost too much.
This. He’d be a good option, but the Nats will probably want to sell high on him and like JMK said, that price would likely be e too much.
Yeah, especially considering the cheap DH’s available on 1 year deals, no need to trade for one. Though I do like Willingham, probably because the day I picked him up this year in fantasy was the day he had 2 grand slams. That and the 119 OPS+.
UConn has the chance to get slapped around tonight.
This is just all sorts of cool
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....orway.html
IT’S 2012, MAAAAANNNNNNNN!!!!
Interesting… nuke it.
Attn: Stanley Robinson:
Do not shoot more than like…five times tonight. Just dunk, rebound, and block. Please.
I’m a big Calipari fan.
This should be a good game.
That didn’t take long….
I think you guys are screwed in this game. Dyson looks nasty. Other than that…KY has the edge.
I like Walker a lot more than I like Dyson. Dyson falls in love with his jumper too much when it’s not that great.
Buster Olney just said that if the Yanks sign Damon they’ll try to trade Swisher? What’s everyone take on that? Is he just talking out of his ass?
Clearly. Swisher’s still relatively cheap, under 30, and predictable in terms of production and defense. Swisher isn’t going to fall off a cliff. Damon’s expendable since he’s not a premium defender, and that offensive swoon at those last 2 months can’t be swept under the rug.
If they trade an OF I think it would be Melky, no?
Swisher is a commodity.
Low cost. Switch hits for power. High On Base. Plays the OF, First and Pitcher. Hits anywhere in the lineup.
We could probably get a solid piece/prospect for him. A lot of people here would hate it but if we have the pieces in place and can afford to do it, I’d probably welcome it.
Yes. Along with Grandy, Swisher’s actually an OF under contract and on a team frineldy deal. Do not get rid of him.
Based on Cashman’s comments earlier today, I don’t think we’ll see Damon in pinstripes. I don’t think he would have said Granderson would be in the 2 hole if he had plans to bring back Damon.
Holliday will be the opening day left fielder.
Oh wait so by big bat you DID mean Holliday. I seriously doubt it will happen HOWEVER he is the most likely huge move for the Yankees to make out of signing Jason Bay, signing John Lackey or trading for Doc Halladay. But I still doubt it.
Okwandu, GTFO.
This fucking sucks.
This. Is. Embarrassing.
If you’re talking about the UCONN game, which I assume you are, I have only this to say:
John Wall is fucking nasty.
Yeah, he is. He’s fuckin’ dirty.
He’ll make a good Brooklyn Net.
Wall-Amare Stoudamire-B. Lopez = watchable
Don’t forget Devin Harris and Douglas-Roberts
Millwood to the O’s for Ray, huh? Wonder what the Rangers will do with the rotation now.
http://tinyurl.com/yjnvo7p
“The starting pitching market is a headache. That’s why I’m very happy that we got Andy done. I have less of a headache. I’m not saying we don’t have more needs there, but listening to some of the price tags so far, we might have to wait this thing out or refocus.”
Anthopoulos: Let’s say Montero plus–
Cashman: Not tonight. I have a headache.
Anthopoulos: You’ve had one all week.
Cashman: You can have my answer now, if you like.
My offer is this: nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hdM8u81iuw
I doubt that Halladay will be traded to New York at all now, especially after watching the NY/Ari/Det press conference. Listening to Cash, it seemed like he wasn’t very happy about the deal, but because of the upgrade in defense and the chance of replacing some of the homeruns we got from Matsui and Damon, he had to do it.
Cashman: Keep the change, you filthy animal.
Haha, love it.
Does it annoy anyone else to no end that Scioscia is the only “manager” in baseball that is constantly talking to the media about personnel moves. Does he know that there is no “general” in his job title?
You do not hear Girardi or anyone else saying things like the Yankees are not going to sign Holliday.
Does anyone else think that the $200 million budget number being tossed around is bogus? Maybe they’ll stay in that range this year, but I don’t see any way the Yanks can–or should–stick to that long term.
Given the scheduled increases in salary for Arod and the fact that guys like Joba and Hughes aren’t far from arbitration raises, the only way they stick to $200 million is by playing league minimum guys at every open position. It means letting Ajax grow into the CF position, not trading for a guy due around $23 million over the next few years. There is no more dead weight like Pavano coming off the books. Igawa’s is the only significant salary that won’t need replacing.
Furthermore, it seems like an arbitrary figure. Given the increased revenues from the new stadium it’s hard to believe they can’t afford a $210 million payroll or $220 or $230.
Even just looking at this year, I don’t think you invest this much in the roster then decide you have to fill LF, DH and maybe add another starter for only $10 million. Like I said, I don’t buy it.
Totally bogus. They have the resources and should use them to improve their product. Cashman always throws out comments about budget before the winter meetings, then cleans up the market. We’ll have another big bat and a top pitcher before spring training.
If by big bat you mean either Johnny Damon, Hideki Matsui, Mike Cameron or Nick Johnson and not Jason Bay or Matt Holliday then yes. And if by top pitcher you mean Harden, Sheets or J-Dush and you don’t mean Lackey or Halladay then yes again.
But if you mean Holliday AND Halladay then it ain’t happening.
Harden’s a Ranger.
It’s official?
Hmm I heard they were close but I don’t think I saw a post saying the deal is done.
Yup.
And this time last year you were expecting Swisher to be our opening day first baseman, right? And you’re still wondering why Bubba Crosby isn’t playing CF?
Because Bubba Crosby got blindsided by the Gary Sheffield bus. God I hate Sheffield.
What?
So not getting Holliday and Halladay suddenly means I’m wondering why Bubba Crosby isn’t playing CF. Gotcha.
So I take it your one of those sign Jason Bay, sign Matt Holliday, sign John Lackey and trade for Halladay guys or the Yankees won’t repeat?
Nope. I’m one of those sign Holliday guys. I have no use for Bay. I want no part of Lackey. I don’t think we need Halladay, but I would not be shocked if he’s starting game 2 of the 2010 alds. My point is that people are foolish if they think the Yankees are going to have a payroll under $200 million. Cashman let the cat out of the bag today. Damon’s not coming back. If Granderson’s batting 2nd and if DH is not on the list of priorities, then my feeling is that it’s Holliday in left, Melky in right, and Swish to DH.
Unlikely to have a payroll under 200 million sure but that doesn’t mean sign Holliday. He’s a very very good player who’s asking for Teix like money. He may or may not be worth that type of money but signing Holliday adds another huge contract to the already large collection of the Yankees. It hurts flexibility if he shows that he isn’t as good as the AL.
If the Yankees didn’t have so many huge contracts I would definitely be all for it. Not this year though.
But as I said I find it to be the most possible out of Lackey, Bay, him and Halladay.
The only team that would give Tex a Tex-like contract is the Yankees and they’re obviously not going to give another one. Therefore, there is no way Holliday is getting a Tex-like contract, no matter what Boras spews out of his mouth.
Right. I just meant he’s likely off the radar.
I’m in no way advocating for Holliday or Halladay or any specific player. I’m just saying that the $200 million figure doesn’t jive with the Yanks’ future salary commitments, their historic tendency to try to fill each position with the best possible available player, with their spending last offseason or with moves like the Granderson trade.
It is possible that the Yanks intend to: 1) let Melky play, LF 2) rotate players through the DH spot, 3) depend on Joba and Hughes to be healthy and effective starters all year (not to mention injury prone Burnett and soon to be 38-year-old Pettitte), and 4) fill the three bullpen spots vacated by Bruney, Coke and Hughes with guys from inside organization. They could do all of those things, but (aside from #4 maybe) I doubt they will or should.
It is fun in theory to strictly adhere to the $200M payroll because that’s the figure we as wanna-be GMs have to go by, but its true, I always have it in the back of my head that the Yankees make obscene amounts of money every year and that they have no problem making their core product as good as it can be. So if we did something like sign John Lackey, it wouldn’t surprise me. But the team really is a left fielder or DH away from being complete and able to kick some ass.
Exactly. Cashman said that the priorities are “pitching, pitching, pitching, then left field.” I’m 100% certain he does not mean moving Melky to left or going with the pitching staff as is. Big moves are coming. CF wasn’t even a priority and Cashman still pulled off a blockbuster. He’s just getting started. With the WS victory and the economy due to turnaround, YSIII will be a cash machine in 2010. They have the money and have a chance to build a dynasty to last into the middle of the next decade. They aren’t going to pussyfoot around with Nick Johnson at DH, Cameron in LF and a bunch of rehabbing pitchers. Cashman is going big.
I’m not sure that blockbuster is happening in 2010. The Yankees already have a stacked team. You can never tell with these fuckers, but I do know that the next two free agent classes have some true premiere players. The Yankees will be knee deep in with those guys.
This makes sense. Yankees are at around $190M now with Pettitte? It sounds like they still want Damon and a starting pitcher. Cashman don’t give a fuck, he’ll make it rain. Plus we want Chapman. Does he count?
Alright it’s a game now!
Oriaki is so bad at free throws. So bad.
I love talking to myself, btw.
/crazy’d
Yeah, Gavin Edwards.
What it’s like to live in Lake Wobegon:
There was real excitement on the news tonight about the Brewers’ deals with Randy Wolf and LaTroy Hawkins.
/you betcha!
I think it’s pretty clear what Cash wants to do. 1 year for Cameron at 7.5-8 mil at most, and then a DH of the 5 mil variety.. (Cust/Dye(please no)/Giambi) with Juan Miranda as a viable backup.
Hopefully he snags a low cost/high reward pitcher while he’s at it..but he doesn’t have to.
I’m pretty sure we do have a real budget this year. Just get me Cameron and I’ll be happy.
No way in hell does he go for Dye. No way. He’s too smart for that. He’d go Thome before Dye.
I’m good with Thome or Delgado cheap. Again, if they sign a cheap DH who fails, he will be easily replaceable at or before the deadline.
Delgado > Thome > Miranda > your grandpa > Dye > Vlad
Matsui = Damon > Johnson >> Thome> Delgado >>> Dye = Vlad
All depends on the cost (if there’s a hard budget).
If it’s going to cost around $10 mil for Damon/Matsui, I’d rather spend that money on Sheets and then go cheap on the DH.
But will Sheets come w/o being guaranteed starts?
Steaks, blowjobs and pussytubing>>>>>>>>>guaranteed starts.
I would guarantee him starts, if he stays healthy, you’re damn right he’s in the rotation. Between him, Aj/38 year old Pettitte and Phil and Joba (not exactly Cal Ripken’s) there will be starts needed. If Sheets is healthy, he gets them, as he’d likely be the 2nd best pitcher.
So you’d bump one of Joba or Phil out of the rotation for Sheets?
Yeah its one of the kids that slides into the pen if we get Ben Sheets.
Serious depth with Hughes as your #6.
I know that makes sense, but do the Yankees really wanna retard the growth of one of them again? It’s time for them to be full time starters.
I’d see how it all works out, but yes. And you know me, I am as anti Phil and Joba in the pen as possible. I certainly think that in a 6 man rotation including 5 potential question marks, they could all get 15-20 starts, not damaging the growth path for Hughes/Joba. In 2010, a healthy Sheets is simply better than Hughes and Joba (and Pettitte and Burnett). Sheets is the only health risk out there that I’d consider this for though. He is THAT good. Wouldn’t consider it for Harden/Bedard/Duke etc., but Sheets is an entirely different animal to me.
Its just be playing the odds. In the best case scenarios Hughes replaces Pettitte in 2010 and we pick up a Sheets option. If something goes wrong, the team is covered. I want Hughes to start too but having a rotation so good that you have no choice but to throw him into the fireman role one more year is a good thing.
I’d stay committed to Joba though, the entire season – no matter how ugly it gets. If it takes another year for that man to turn into a quality starter than so be it. He needs to pitch 180 innings.
I’d stay committed to Joba though, the entire season – no matter how ugly it gets. If it takes another year for that man to turn into a quality starter than so be it. He needs to pitch 180 innings.
+1
I certainly think that in a 6 man rotation including 5 potential question marks, they could all get 15-20 starts, not damaging the growth path for Hughes/Joba.
Good luck with that shit.
Damon > Matsui = Johnson!
From a pure DH/offensive standpoint, I take Mastui ’cause I think his bat is better.
Am I the only one who didn’t miss the Giambi mention in this post? You have got to be kidding, right?
Has Cash been asked about the “Bring Melvin to America” movement yet?
Any good reason why the Padres are non-tendering Correia?
Is he in his final year of arb? They’d probably prefer to save the money.
He wants 3-4 mil, Padres want to pay him 2 mil. For one year, why not just keep him? Maybe you can trade him at the deadline. If saving 1-2 million and letting a decent pitcher go is your idea of running a baseball team, time to fold. He had a better ERA at home last year, but on the road had better k/9, k/bb and had a much lower HR rate. Babip at home was extremely low at .260, but extremely high on the road of .343. Maybe last year was a fluke (or not), but it’s not like they’d be locked in long term. I just don’t get it.
He got non-tendered for the same reason Randy Wolf didn’t get offered arb.
I just don’t know what that reason is.
The Yankee hitters can not be too happy about Chris Ray leaving the AL East.
Don’t think they mind Millwood coming though. .840 OPS against him.
Thunder stealer.
http://venturebeat.com/wp-cont.....1/slow.jpg (safe)
The current Yankees, excluding Curtis Granderson and including Damon/Matsui, hit .314/.372/.525 off of Millwood.
Grandy hits .214/.333/.465 vs. Millwood.
Ok I revise my comment:
The Yankee hitters were not too happy when they heard Chris Ray was leaving the AL East, but when they heard Kevin Millwood was coming lets just say Hal Steinbrenner was seen leaving the party doused in champagne.
Haha.
How do you think he will perform in Arlington? I think he will get killed.
Cause I’m sure the Yankee hitters frequently lose sleep over Baltimore pitching.
I really think you missed the point of the post
Fucking ESPN. I want to see the game and not hear Dickie V. and Dan Schulman.
For as fast-paced as this game has been, I can’t believe how low scoring it is.
And I know I’m the exception, not the rule, but I love Dickie V.
I don’t mind him too much, but after a little while he annoys me.
Kemba = BURNER.
I’ll give you this: he definitely overdoes the “Diaper dandies” and the “Ohhhhhh’s” sometimes.
When he just talks basketball, and mixes those in every once in awhile, he’s great.
Walker is sick. What a play.
grandy seems like such a genuine, nice guy and most tigers fans are really sad to see him go. I can’t wait to see what he can do in ys3, he’ll easily become a fan favorite.
hey I’m sure that at least some of you have seen this but Ron Burgundy making fun of sports center? Gold Jerry, gold. Hope somebody enjoys it. If not? Go fuck yourself San Diego
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....tube_gdata
That was hilarious.
In a related story, I wonder if John Kerry is gonna be able to beat George Bush in this upcoming election?
Sincerely,
2004
Hiyoooooo
Jim Calhoun just made a cross-racial and cross sport comparison.
How is UConn this bad at free throws? It’s embarrassing. I don’t get how Calhoun doesn’t eat their faces for all the FTs they miss.
Has there been any noise on Delgado for any team? The more I think about it, the more I’m intrigued. Bring him in solely as a DH, I think he’ll produce. I don’t know how much $$$ it would take, but I doubt it’s much. I know he’s coming back from serious injury, but he was raking in 2009 before he went down, and was great in 2008.
The Mets are monitoring him in winterball. That’s about all I’ve read.
VIA MLBTR: Ed Price of AOL FanHouse has the specifics: Harden makes $6.5MM next year, with $3.5MM in incentives based on innings pitched. The deal includes an $11MM mutual option for 2011 that includes a $1MM buyout in case either side wants to decline. So the deal, which is still pending a physical, guarantees Harden a minimum of $7.5MM.
So Harden’s 2010 salary is 1 million less than originally reported. Maybe Sheets will take a 1 yr/$9 million offer sheet.
What’s the Rangers rotation at this point?
Harden-Feldman-Holland-McCarthy-Feliz?
Or do they (stupidly) leave Feliz in the pen and give the 5th starter spot to either Harrison or Hunter?
Either way, I wonder if the Rangers are now officially done with FA starters. No Lackey (obviously), but more significantly, no Sheets.
I do believe all signs point towards Feliz starting. I bet just about everyone is in on Sheets though, right? He’s got the upside to be worth it for about 10 different teams.
Yeah. I’d actually love to see the Mets sign Sheets. They almost have to … right?
The Mets rotation is in tatters. Heck… the Mets can do BOTH lackey and Sheets, but at least get Sheets and get your fan-base excited. Its no fun to make fun of Mets fans anymore.
Do you know why they messed with Feliz this year? He only had 13 starts out of 40 something appearances. I’m wondering if he had an injury or something.
* And I don’t think it was innings limits. He didn’t reach his previous high from 08.
More like Patrick Pwnederson, amirte? Meet Gavin Edwards, bitch!
Dyson = pwned by rim.
Dyson got fouled.
UCONN must pull this win out.
Yeah. If they could just make fucking free throws, they’d have this shit. They go tot he line a lot, yet suck at FTs. It annoys me. A lot.
You sound upset. Having been to Kentucky, I can’t see any reason to cheer any product of that state. Go UCONN.
Plus I “dated” a girl from Tolland while in college. Holy daddy issues.
My attachment to the Huskies is second only to my attachment to the Yankees.
John Wall: good at basketball.
Here’s what I love most about college sports: Dudes with IQs in double digits regularly get free passes to college because the school makes tons of money on them because guys like me are jealous and envious of their athletic ability (and will subsequently watch their athletic feats, providing money through advertising).
So awesome.
The Nats will choose Kroenke instead.
http://www.washingtontimes.com.....in-rule-5/
Really hope that’s not true.
+2
Me too, fuck that. Cashmoneyninja wouldn’t let us down like that.
Exactly. It doesn’t make any sense. First of all, who knows how reliable this information is? That dude could be the Madden of DC. All the while, you could have just DFA’d Bruney or Edwar and added Kroenke to the 40-man (and not needed him on active) if you wanted Kroenke protected. You’re essentially swapping Bruney for Kroenke but you put guys like Reggie Corona on the 40-man? Insane.
Besides, it’s doubtful he’d even stick on a 25-man the whole year. You’d probably get him back anyway.
I call bullshit on this “report.”
So the Yankees would be trading a player on their major league roster for a player on their minor league roster…
…yep?!
Wall is incredible.
Wow.
Kid’s got a NBA body.
Coach Cal said he’s further along than D-Rose was at this point.
Only problem is the TO’s which is normal.
HE’S A MAN HE’S 40!!
FUCK. Game over.
I hate John Calipari. This dude is a walking NCAA violation.
Who gives a shit. They’re not there to go to class anyway.
He’s also a master recruiter.
nationals are gonna draft kroenke. way to mess that one up, yanks.
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