Dec
03

Pending physical, Scutaro to join Red Sox

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The draft giveth and the draft taketh away. Although the Red Sox earned themselves two first-round picks when the Braves signed Billy Wagner last night, they may be surrendering their other first-round pick as they are on the verge of signing Marco Scutaro. Lídre Deportes first broke the news, and Ed Price has confirmed that the Sox will give Scutaro two years. Michael Silverman of The Boston Herald says the deal will include a mutual option for a third year. As we thought at the time, the news about Dustin Pedroia’s potentially moving to short was just a negotiating ploy.

Scutaro turned 34 on Halloween and is a career .265/.337/.384 hitter over eight seasons with the Mets, A’s and Blue Jays. He had a career year last year, hitting .282/.379/.409 with a career-high in home runs (12) and RBI (60). It was his first season with an OPS+ over 100. My, how Jed Lowrie’s stock has dropped. No word yet on the money.

Categories : Asides, Hot Stove League

87 Comments»

  1. J says:

    OMG!!!1!1! Someone call Toronto and get Halladay NOW!!!

  2. Pete says:

    Crap, he owns Mariano! ;-)

  3. Reggie C. says:

    If Lidre Deportes can break this before Heyman or Rosenthal, then the RAB guys definitely have a shot at an exclusive scoop! Find out where Shelley signs!!

  4. Francesa says:

    Show me Scutaro’s stats from the last five games!!!!!!

  5. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    The sox could potentially not lose their first rounder assuming they sign Holliday as well, right? That pick would be pushed back to the second round for the BJs.

    (I have no idea what I’m talking about, saw this on another board.)

    • I think that’s if the Braves sign Holliday. The Sox definitely lose more draft picks if they sign Holliday.

      • pat says:

        This is true, the Cardinals would get the Braves’ first round pick as Holliday is a higher rated Type A free agent. The Sox would then get the Braves’ 2nd rounder.

    • pat says:

      They will get the Braves pick no matter who else they sign.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      It doesn’t matter. Once this deal is official, Boston’s true first rounder is gone no matter who else they sign.

      • BklynJT says:

        When all is said and done, if they sign holliday and bay signs elsewhere, will they still have the first rounder from bay, or does it go away to another team?

        Get First rounder + supplemental from Braves
        Get First rounder + supplemental from Bay signing elsewhere
        Give pick for signing Scutaro
        Give pick for signing Holliday

        Do they lose their first rounder from Bay or is that pick protected?

        • whozat says:

          All compensation picks are protected, and the sandwich picks are guaranteed to be between the first and second round.

          That said, if the Braves sign a higher-rank free agent than Wagner, the Sox will get a lesser pick from them.

        • pat says:

          Picks you receive from other teams cannot be redistributed. If Bay signs somewhere else they get that pick. That’ll give them 2 first rounders.

  6. Crazy Eyes Killa says:

    So. Fucking. Gritty.

  7. Reggie C. says:

    Is Scutaro going to benefit from the Green Monster. That wall is an elixir of sorts. It turns grit to greatness.

  8. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Haha Sox fans don’t even like this since they want Jed Lowrie. Just hope they don’t get Holliday.

  9. Beamish says:

    Two vereges in one sentence. This is a MAJOR signing. ;-)

  10. Hey ZZ says:

    Another ugly white guy. Should fit right in that clubhouse

  11. Slugger27 says:

    and with that, the yanks title hopes are dashed….

    maybe if we sign mauer and lee next offseason we can at least hope to be competitive with the sox in 2011

    • Johan Iz My Brohan says:

      But then they will resign Julio Lugo to a 5year/$80mil contract, as the new ace when Beckett leaves. Then we would be seriously fucked.

      • Slugger27 says:

        youre right, we better get webb and crawford too… maybe we could win the wild card

        • Angelo says:

          Or we could trade everyone in our farm system to get the King and Lincecum right now. I’d suspect that we would also need to trade Cano and Melky, but we need to make this happen if we want to have a shot at beating the Redsox. PITCHING WINS BALLGAMES!!! offense is unimportant.

  12. Teix is the Man says:

    Get a salary cap, NOW!

  13. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    Reportedly it is two years, with an mutual option for a third year. Take that third year Scutaro, it’ll delay the second coming of Omar Vizquel in a Sox Uniform!

  14. Salty Buggah says:

    Here’s to a regression to the mean, though even that is way better than what the Sox has at SS before.

  15. Slu says:

    Well, I wouldn’t have signed him, but he should be better than what they had.

    I just think there is no way he matches last year’s production and he won’t be worth what he gets paid over the life of the contract. And I am aware we don’t know the money yet, but I am sure it is too much.

  16. Rey22 says:

    We should just go into full rebuild mode. There’s no way we can compete with the Red Sox anymore. They’re gonna win the division AND the wild card. World Series too of course. Our quest for #28 will have to resume in 2030, when MLB owners agree to ban Marco Scutaro from the MLB to make the games interesting again and restore some sort of competitive balance. Till Marco Jr. signs with the Red Sox of course…

  17. Angelo says:

    There go the Redsox, ruining baseball by using their money *sigh*

  18. Evil Empire says:

    I’ve never been bashful to give Boston / Theo credit when credit is due.

    This is not one of these times.

    Can you say fucking OUTLIER? At age 34, Scutaro is what he is, though Boston should be thankful for even a career average season given his age. In 6 full seasons, he’s OPS’d below .700 3 times. In 2009 he OPS’d 41 points higher than he ever had before (.788 vs .747 in ’06) and his 3rd highest OPS was .701 in 2005.

    Defense-wise, he seems about average as a shortstop. He put up a 1.0 UZR/150 in 2009, and what I thought was interesting is that while he started 143 games there this season, his 2nd highest GS total in a single season at SS was only 77. I know he was a utility guy for most of his career but my perception was pretty off there, I thought he had played quite a few more games at the posish.

    Anyway, my pseudo-analysis is that he’s not worth the combination of his salary, roster spot, and draft pick. Its not a big deal if he doesn’t work out, and he’s the type of player that if Lowrie ends up working out you always just turn him back into a middling super-sub, but he’s not The Answer, even short term, at SS and at worst, he’s Julio Lugo minus the embarrassing contract.

    • jim p says:

      On the other hand, seems he hits fly balls. A right-hander in Fenway might get that artificial boost in his stats. Sort of like Bay.

      • Evil Empire says:

        He has a career .384 SLG and 50 homeruns in 3103 plate appearances. Last year was the only year he had double digits in homers.

        Over the past 3 years he’s had 50 ABs at Fenway and OPS’d .589, with zero home runs. Yes I know, small sample size, but still … not worried. At all.

      • jim p says:

        but 2009 in Fenway, 22PA, .263/.364/.263. Singles and walks.

        career 106 PA, 290/.321/.400. Hmmm. Hopefully this ends up hurting Boston.

        Hopefully, everything ends up hurting Boston, Even butterflies in Thailand.

  19. r.w.g. says:

    He’ll probably play pretty decent. I’d expect a similar year as 2009.

  20. Jake H says:

    What a stupid move.

    • Drew says:

      They filled a glaring hole for 2 years. How is it stupid?

      • This.

        Even if Scutaro is just a 100 OPS+ guy who plays average defense, that’s a huge upgrade from what they had been getting out of short. Granted, he might do that, but it’s not a stupid move unless they overpaid.

        • Evil Empire says:

          What makes you realistically think he is going to be a 100 OPS+ guy though?

          Looks to me like they’re buying high on a guy past his prime.

          • 100 sOPS+ will be ok too. He’s an average SS hitter. If he can do that for the Sox, they’ll be happy.

            • Evil Empire says:

              I do agree with that, if he can be a league average shortstop offensively and defensively, its an improvement, no debate. But I think we both know Theo was thinking “Shit, has it really come down to this? Giving up a #1 draft pick for 2 years of an aging Marco Scutaro?”

          • Evil Empire says:

            I guess I can’t accuse them of buying high until we actually know what the contract was, but I’d have to think it was something like $13M or more if Scutaro accepted the deal this early in the off season.

          • pat says:

            Mmmmm Steinbrener-esque. Really depends on the money though. IMO anything over 7.5 a year is too much.

          • r.w.g. says:

            Eh.. I dunno. He’s had some sort of similar seasons in the past. It’s not like he’s just been hanging around the major leagues because he’s well-liked.

            He popped 9 homers in his first full season.. that’s 3 less than his career high? That’s not really a huge swing. He’s also got 4 seasons where he’s posted OPS around .700, with a .747 season thrown in along with this past year’s .789.

            He’s got more seasons with his SLG hovering around the .400 mark (2004, 2005, 2006, 2009) than seasons where it’s lower. His strikeout to walk numbers have always been pretty decent.. and even the years where he was posting terrible OBPs he wasn’t striking out (2004 – .297 OBP but only 58 K in 477 PA. decent AVG, too).

            It’s pretty obvious he’s not Hanley Ramirez. But he’s got a good eye at the plate, he’s not ancient, can field his position passably, and he’s a much surer bet than Jed Lowrie.

            Was 2009 a career year? Yeah, sure. But he had almost a hundred more PA in 2009 than he had previously and his AVG went up and he walked more than he struck out.

        • AndrewYF says:

          They overpaid simply by giving up a first round pick.

          They also overpaid by giving Scutaro the choice to be under contract for significant dollars at the age of 36.

          If Scutaro is ‘just’ a 100 OPS+ guy with average defense, then that will be fulfilling a best-case scenario.

          A much more likely scenario is that he goes exactly the way of Edgar Renteria or Julio Lugo.

          He was a fairly useful utility player who performed well for one year at the age of 33. He’s extremely low on any list of players who are likely to even come close to their production in 2009.

          It’s a move that has a much higher chance of failure than success. If the only way a move can be considered good is if it works out to its very unlikely best-case scenario, how could that possibly be considered a good move?

        • Will says:

          If he is an OPS+ 100 guy, he’ll be playing well over his career average. Also, while Nick Green was a disaster, AGon did put up an OPS+ of 95 last year, so Boston probably would have been better off just resigning him. Giving away the draft pick as well as forgoing the opportunity to make a real upgrade make this a misguided deal, IMO.

  21. Januz says:

    I do not like the signing at all. Scutaro had 100 runs scored, last year, which to be fair is a great number. But it was 24 better than any year he ever had. This looks like he had a career year (Throw in the fact, they spent $8m on Inglecias and you see utter desperation coming out of Boston).

    • pat says:

      Runs Scored is stupid. He scored a lot of runs because he had a career high OBP and his teammates drove him in. Runs is a very, very dumb way of analyzing players

    • AndrewYF says:

      Yes, Beckett is a nice pitcher, Lowell provided them with one above-average season at third base, and they won a championship on their backs, but man am I glad they traded Hanley Ramirez away. That’s caused them no end of troubles, and they don’t look to be going away anytime soon. Are they really pinning their hopes on a 19-year old defense-first Cuban shortstop?

      • Evil Empire says:

        “Are they really pinning their hopes on a 19-year old defense-first Cuban shortstop?”

        …who they *hope* muscles up enough to develop gap power.

  22. dkidd says:

    not sure why scutaro is described as a “high obp” guy. his career obp is .337

  23. Bob Stone says:

    Short Stop in Boston under Theo’s regime has been a black hole.

    The list of failures: Orlando Cabreara, Edgar Renteria, Alex Gonzalez, Alex Cora, Julio Lugo, Jed Lowrie, Alex Gonzalez (Edition 2).

    The only player on this list that was reasonably good was Cabrera and the BoSox, for reasons unexplained, chose to let him go.

    Add Scutaro to the list of failed short stops in Boston. It will remain a mysterious black hole.

  24. gargoyle says:

    Money? Scutaro will actually pay the Red Sox a small amount for the privilege of being their 1000th shortstop in the last 5 years.

  25. JohnC says:

    Gammons thinks this is a brilliant move by the Red Sox, as they begin to assemble another team built to win in the playoffs.

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