Dec
21

Spillover Thread: Yanks in talks to acquire a starting pitcher

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Update (11:46pm): Feinsand says the Cubs haven’t asked Carlos Zambrano to waive his no trade clause, and Jon Heyman says he wouldn’t waive it anyway. So rule him out, thankfully.

10:42pm: According to various sources, the Yanks are in talks to acquire a non-salary dump starting pitcher tonight. Our original thread filled up, so continue the conversation here.

Categories : Asides, Hot Stove League

620 Comments»

  1. Senor A. Boy says:

    Who is it!?!?!

  2. Big B says:

    Mike – gun to your head – who is Cash working on a trade for?

  3. Free Mike Vick says:

    its ok everyone…Jon Heyman has awoken from his nap…

    we’ll have our answer soon.

    • Jon Heyman says:

      I’ll give you guys the exclusive right now. The Yankees are going after a hard-throwing pitcher, I’m hearing Atlanta, Chicago and the Nippon Ham Fighters. Scott . . . I mean SOURCES tell me that they still be in on all the free agent pitchers, even after they make this trade. Yanks will be sending Hughes, Chamberlain and Montero in the deal. Not that I’ve actually heard that, but it makes the story better.

  4. Mo says:

    I call Nolasco

  5. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Wow a spillover thread!
    But anyways who the hell is this pitcher?!

  6. christian says:

    Im thinking it’s not going to be a major nor minor trade. They don’t need a #1 or 2 because we got two really good ones. They don’t need a #4 or 5 because we got those. So im expecting a nice sold #3 starter. Plus i dont think they can afford to trade anymore significant prospects.

    • Head Scratcher says:

      We have a number 3 starter. His name is Andy Pettitte. He’s quite new – hopefully he’ll catch his big break soon.

    • whozat says:

      A solid #3 would still cost a fair bit in trade and not really upgrade the team more than, say, a relief pitcher would (because they’d be bumping Joba/Hughes to the pen)

  7. Charlie says:

    damn this whole site is lagging unless its just me

  8. Reggie C. says:

    Anibal Sanchez.

    TSJC would be pleased.

  9. joemomma says:

    last thread some guy said johnson was wanted by giants.

    well my take is Sanchez for Johnson and Damon resigned = WIN:WIN

  10. Charlie says:

    damn this whole site is lagging pretty bad

  11. Teix is the Man says:

    I really think J-Duke is enough…let Hughes and Joba take their lumps

  12. Matt Imbrogno says:

    I’m going to laugh if/when this turns out to be a minor move.

  13. SamVa says:

    “Plus i dont think they can afford to trade anymore significant prospects.”

    Why? trading prospects does nothing… especially if it’s one of the 10 catching prospects that we have in our top 15.

  14. BigBlueAL says:

    I think its Tim Lincecum. If not maybe Clay Buchholz.

  15. Gio says:

    Question: Is MLB Network’s Hot Stove show live? It’s on now, but I’m guessing that since they haven’t mentioned any of this that it’s pre-recorded.

  16. Omg!Zombies! says:

    Lmao @ 400+ comments and we still dont know any player that is involved.

  17. Cody says:

    They said it was not a salary dump so I don’t think it’s Lowe, Bonderman, or anyone like that…I think it might be Zack Duke…Cash loves trading with the Pirates

  18. Free Mike Vick says:

    It’s Eddie Whitson.

  19. Joey says:

    Jeremy Guthrie?

  20. Chris V. says:

    Roy Oswalt

  21. nathan says:

    Josh Johnson — the marlins hate those arbitration hearings

  22. Mo says:

    I call
    1 Nolasco
    2 zack Duke
    3 Sean Marshall
    4 Josh Johnso (hope)

  23. Cody says:

    or maybe Gil Meche

  24. John says:

    mike mussina

  25. nathan says:

    Its Cano for Cain.. i kid

  26. Jake H says:

    Lets look at it this way. They aren’t going to trade:
    1. In the east. Don’t see anyone making a trade with the Yankees.
    2. M’s, Texas, Angels, Indians, Mets, Phillies, Nats.
    I say those teams because most of them are on their way up or they don’t have any players that would take over Joba or Hughes in the rotation.

  27. Joey Tme says:

    Carmona from the Tribe???

  28. mike n. says:

    jonathan sanchez?

  29. nathan says:

    I think this is cashman’s way of freaking out Mets’ fans..

    Omar where are u… see what Cash$$ is upto..

    Cash is a devious one…

  30. Awesomeness says:

    cy young mark it down

  31. Mo says:

    crazy one what about Jair Jurjens and Nate McLouth
    for some combination of joba/hughes, swisher, melky, gardner

  32. Dan says:

    This is probably better than a mid or low level pitcher, otherwise the deal would have been finished a while ago, like if it was a Gardner for Banister swap (which would not be terrible). I think this is a little bigger than that, and that Melky Cabrera could be involved. I mean, the Yankees were likely not planning to go into 2010 with him as their starting left fielder, and the addition of Hoffman makes a player like Cabrera somewhat expendable.

    Anyway, Ted Lilly and Javier Vazquez make the most sense in my head.

  33. Cody says:

    i’d do that and then sign o-dog

  34. pat says:

    Carmona and Choo?

    • sciorsci says:

      Who would Cleveland give us to accept Carmona? Gotta be more than Choo. Even in his “good” year, Carmona’s peripherals sucked.

  35. NCpinstripes says:

    They were talking with the Cubs earlier about Zambrano, but if it’s not a salary dump, we know it’s not him. How about Randy Wells from the Cubs. I don’t know but the suspense is killing me.

  36. Joey says:

    Clay Billingsley?

  37. Joey Tme says:

    Does anyone think the Indians would deal carmona???Or is he part of the future there??? For some reason I’m thinking it might be him… he’d be a really nice 3

  38. Mo says:

    Lowe, Harang, Lilly, Arroyo are all disasters! No Way!

  39. Pittsburgh Pinstripes says:

    Zach Duke is very much like the Petite to me, without the big game experience. I would like that. Bucs have one catching prospect, Tony Sanchez, first rounder last year.

  40. fscott19 says:

    gotta be lilly. cubs want CF. Lilly is FA next year so short commitment. he can pitch in AL East.

  41. nathan says:

    I think Cash$$ ran out of ideas and issued a general one to see what freaky trades we come up with.. i bet a proposal for AGon will be next in this forum… :-)

  42. Ari says:

    This is so annoying, shouldnt we know something by now, i mean come on Jon

  43. Dollar says:

    Lilly is not a disaster. He’s a pitcher we should have never given away for Jeff F..in Weaver!

  44. Cody says:

    on mlbtraderumors.com it was just talking about the giants reluctant to trade sanchez for uggla straight up

  45. JobaJr says:

    Zach Duke by any chance?

  46. NCpinstripes says:

    It’s not going to be Carmona, the Indians hate doing anything that would improve the Yankees. It’s not going to be Lilly, we don’t need to be paying 13 million for a #4 starter.

    I would LOVE for it to be Jurrjens, but I’m sure the Braves would want a king’s ransom for him.

  47. Charlie says:

    do you get in trouble on this site for writing racial slurs (in as friendly a manner as possible)?

  48. Accent Shallow says:

    Most of the names involved here are either infuriating or irritating.

    Carmona? Lilly? Zambrano? Home Run Javy?

    Eek.

    • Drew says:

      Well add to the list bro. We’re all just pulling names out of our asses.

    • Charlie says:

      you do realize that we’re pretty much making up all these names. its not like we’re gettin this stuff from a real source

      • whozat says:

        Yes. Which is annoying. It doesn’t add anything. If you’re not going to toss out a reasonable name, don’t say anything.

        It’s gotta be some risk/reward guy who’d be better than Joba or Hughes, someone who’ll set them up (well) for a couple years, or is swingman type with some upside like Duch.

        • Charlie says:

          dude its fun to just toss this shit around. don’t get annoyed by it. and for the record, i haven’t been suggesting unreasonable names. i havent even been suggesting anyone really.

        • Drew says:

          Right, because you are the ruler of all reasonable names.

          Come on man, if you disagree with someone just move on to the next guess. That’s what we’re all doing, just guessing…

  49. thony3007 says:

    Mets getting rid of Johan?

  50. joemomma says:

    i found an even better trade ^_^

    Duke + Doumit for Johnson and Gardner. idk i say maybe if that were to actually happen and then NY Signs Damon for 2 years 20 mil

    • Esteban says:

      This is such a bad suggestion for so many reasons.

    • steve (different one) says:

      not to pick on you, b/c this is the second time i’ve read it, but the Yankees aren’t trading a guy they signed 5 days ago.

      not the way it works.

    • Steve O. says:

      Johnson is going nowhere. The ink hasn’t even dried and he’s in trade proposals.

    • Pittsburgh Pinstripes says:

      Buccos don’t really need Gardner. We traded away two center fielders last year to make room for McCutcheon. Johnson would be useful. Love to see Doumit in pinstripes. Switch hitting catcher with some pop and good average. Played some 1b/OF. Slightly injury prone, but not more than Johnson. Probably would require Cervelli in the trade. Duke is cool as the other side of the pillow. I have wanted the Yankees to get him for some time. I think Buccos should get a prospect or two. Opens the door to bring back Johnny. I like it.

  51. Drew says:

    Ken Phelps Ken Phelps

  52. Jay says:

    We should poll who will break the player name first. lol

  53. wi-Fi Guy says:

    The Giants Getting it in !!!! FIGHTTTT

  54. JobaJr says:

    No updates in nearly an hour now after nearly 4 in the last hour. What the hell?

  55. Reggie C. says:

    Brandon Jacobs is looking at a serious fucking fine.

  56. Joe D says:

    Kenny Powers?

  57. sam says:

    I don’t know what the solution is, but it certainly isn’t this. Goddamn WasWatching. Where did this Swisher-for-Lowe meme come from? IT IS CRAZY.

  58. Mike Pop says:

    Alright, let’s get on with it. Tell us who it is!

  59. pat says:

    HAHAHAHAHAH Haynesworth gets penalized for that.

  60. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    I say it is Yu Darvish. It was supposed to be a secret, but MLB magically implemented a loaning system similar to the MLS…

    the Ham Fighters will loan Darvish to us for a year for a certain amount of money like when LA Galaxy loaned Beckham to Milan.

  61. Matty Ice says:

    That guy on Arizona…..Ian Kennedy.

  62. JobaWockeeZ says:

    It would really fucking suck if the talks stopped.

  63. Reggie C. says:

    Giants are just stat-padding right now. Good.

  64. BrianM says:

    I think Halladay has worn out his welcome in Philly. He tried a cheese steak and spat it out. Locals are outraged and are forming a posse.

  65. Mike bk says:

    did we kill the swish to atl and ending up w jurrjens possibility because it is possibly my fav of this list people have been hacking around?

  66. DGeezy says:

    I threw out that I thought it might be Ted Lilly in the last thread but as KayGee points out, he had shoulder surgery and is starting the season on the DL.

  67. o says:

    not a dump? weird there is no name……..

  68. NCpinstripes says:

    Run it up Tommy, leave no doubt!

  69. Tom Zig says:

    Spillover thread on a trade rumor on a monday night?

    Congrats RAB, ya’ll reached big time now.

  70. NCpinstripes says:

    With Rosenthal, Olney, and all the Yankee beat writers working on this, how is it possible that a name hasn’t leaked out yet?

  71. nathan says:

    I think Buster Olney is facing a serious fine.. he has turned away so many fans from MNF to the MLB network and blogs…

  72. VOR says:

    Its got to be a team that could use a CF, so Cubs or KC makes sense.

  73. DAVID S says:

    WE NEED AN “A LIST GUY”

    VERLANDER PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  74. Bob Stone says:

    I keep surfing baseball sites and there is NOTHING in the way of an update. I think we may all have to wait until tomorrow.

  75. Teix is the Man says:

    Heh, I could just picture Cash sitting in his office drinking sangria, just doing this to fuck with the MSM.

  76. Jake H says:

    Would Cash drain the farm for Cain?

  77. Rockdog says:

    So there have been rumors that the Cubs might be interested in Gardner or Melky. Could it be a Cub’s pitcher?

  78. Mo says:

    Yanks, Marlins, Giants 3 way deal

    Yanks get Cain, Josh Johnson
    Giants get Hughes, Uggla
    Marlins get Joba, Jesus Montero, and Jonathan Sanchez

  79. nathan says:

    Will the Yankee blogs explode if its Wandy Rodriguez :-)

  80. NCpinstripes says:

    It’s not going to be an ace. Man seeing Campbell go down again is making me hurt. Man has he taken a beating tonight.

  81. Angelo says:

    Please keep the comments running, they are very entertaining to read. LETS GO NOW, LETS GO NOW, LETS GO NOW, WOOH LETS GO!

  82. Matty Ice says:

    I hope it happens tonight….because I will do nothing at work tomorrow (except hit refresh) until it does.

    • Angelo says:

      +1 its my birthday and I dont want to leave the computer now……Been here for 2 hours now. And still no real news on who we the Yankees will receive.

  83. Mango says:

    Dear Santa Cashman,
    Josh Johnson. Please.

  84. Tank the Frank says:

    Who is it? I’M FREAKING OUT !!!1!11

  85. bonestock94 says:

    Who new this twitter thing would become so necessary. It’s a must have for hot stove, initially I wrote it off for 12 year old girls.

  86. Drew says:

    Brett Farve to the Yanks for the K man.

  87. For Lack of a More Creative Name... Alex says:

    I’m freaking out like a teenage girl before prom rite now!

    • Johan Iz My Brohan says:

      Sorry baby, can’t go to the prom with you… I uh, uh, I’m moving to New Zealand…

      *goes home, hits refresh on MLBTR repeatedly*

  88. Dan says:

    Someone on another forum mentioned the possibility of the Mariners flipping Cliff Lee. I can’t see it happening, but it’d be one heck of a rotation…

  89. NCpinstripes says:

    It is not going to be Johnson. I’m personally hoping for Jurrjens.

    • bonestock94 says:

      Why would they ever trade him?

    • Steve O. says:

      Eh, I’d pass. He’s one of the cheaper players on the Braves and they’ll want to keep him. Plus he’s only a marginal upgrade if at all and it wouldn’t be worth the prospects. Also, he’s not that great, I don’t like his strikeout rate. At all.

  90. TJ says:

    Seriously my Echofon goes off all day with the most random baseball hot stove news and now when something is actually going on it’s completely silent.

  91. Free Mike Vick says:

    Who is it? wait a second…let just think here…wait a second.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded

  92. Robby says:

    How about the yankees trade 6 prospects for Sammy Sosa

  93. Rod says:

    Ok – I’m taking a bottle of wine out to the hot tub. This deal better be named by the time I get back!!!!

  94. manimal529 says:

    Melky Cabrera and Nick Swisher for Jair Jurjens and Tommy Hanson. DO IT CASH.

  95. Salty Buggah says:

    Sources say I’m close to acquiring a pizza. No idea on which one though. I’m told it’s not a salary dump so that eliminates Domino’s

  96. Jay says:

    I literally have like 12 different pages open, hitting refresh… Starting to hate myself.

  97. The Short Porch says:

    Since we all think it’s a major trade for a cost controlled pitcher that doesn’t suck what about Ubaldo Jimenez?

    I don’t know why COL would move him but since everyone has mentioned Verlander/Johnson/Grienke..etc I figured Id throw his name out there.

  98. Angelo says:

    Is it appropriate to start crying? I am unsure on what else to do.

  99. SteveA says:

    A name I haven’t seen mentioned is Kevin Millwood. Unlikely and not a big name, but a solid guy as a #4 or 5.

  100. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Ha, take it FWIW but Johnson is not happy with Marlins after their offer to Chapman.

    http://tinyurl.com/yb6shzp

    Don’t know about this source though so meh.

    • Zack says:

      eh, it really doesnt matter if hes mad or not, he’s under control for two more years. if marlins wanted him long term they would have worked out a deal, obviously they didnt wantt o make a 40m investiment in a pitcher, so he was going to be moved in july/offseason/july anyways

  101. Steven says:

    Hughes and Romine for Pavano, that would be a steal

  102. sk says:

    I think the beat writers were just making things up because they have nothing to do. Writing: “I hear that the Yankees are looking for starting pitchers” is like speculating that you hear mike francessa will eat a massive sandwich at some point in the near future. feinsand is back to twitting (twatting?) about the giants game and his last yankees post essentially echoed what his first one said.

  103. NCpinstripes says:

    The O’s just acquired Millwood, it’s not him. I’m just about ready to throw in the towel, and check it out tomorrow. All this hype and build up for nothing. Sigh.

  104. Matt Imbrogno says:

    It’s times like these that I’m glad I don’t work til the late-afternoon and can stay up and track rumors like this.

    • Drew says:

      It’s times like these that I’m glad I don’t work til the late-afternoon and can stay up and track rumors like this I wish I had a job so I couldn’t follow these rumors…

  105. NCpinstripes says:

    I’m giving it to the end of the Giants game, and then I’m out.

  106. Gio says:

    From Feinsand: “Yankees mystery pitcher does not appear to be Carlos Zambrano. Cubs had not asked him to waive his no-trade as of tonight.”

    http://twitter.com/BloggingBombers

  107. pat: I’m obviously quite happy about this performance, but it is the ‘Skins after all (sorry Drew) and I’m not gonna get all cocky and what not.

  108. Sleepy says:

    CARL PAVANO

  109. Jay says:

    Mike should go Donnie Brasco, infiltrate the Yanks hierarchy, and save us the fools game of waiting.

  110. Camilo Gerardo says:

    Zachary Greinke!

  111. Jobamania says:

    this is all really exciting but it will probably be a zach duke/paul maholm :(

  112. NCpinstripes says:

    Please, no Zambrano. That crazy bastard would probably burn down the new stadium down.

  113. Salty Buggah says:

    Seriously, I’m a bit way too excited by these rumors than I should be. I will laugh (and be kinda disappointed at the same time) if nothing comes out of all these rumors and speculation

  114. Gio says:

    Maybe by ‘Yankees,’ Olney and Rosenthal meant ‘Blue Jays.’

    Mariners have reached tentative agreement to trade Brandon Morrow to Blue Jays for B. League and prospect.
    http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal

    League K’s Yankees like it’s his job (I guess it is), so good for yanks short-term. Morrow could still be a great pitcher, though.

    • scooter says:

      League is something like Kyle Farnsworth, Jr.
      Morrow seems to have huge upside – I like the deal for Toronto

      No idea who the Yankees are going after.

  115. Alan says:

    Ted Lilly for Gardner or Melky is my final guess. Ted has one year left at $ 10 million before he goes free agent. Gardner or Melky is an extra part since I believe Yanks sign a cheaper FA…. someone like Mark DeRosa who can play LF.

  116. TJ says:

    I’m thinking I’ll go watch some LOST and then check back all this suspense is killing me.

  117. Free Mike Vick says:

    Rosenthal gives up on trying to find out who the pitcher is and now breaks news Brandon Marrow is going to the Blue Jays.

  118. danny says:

    cubs fans are actually talking and believing into a scenario where the yanks get Z and they get Cano. LMAO

  119. Esteban says:

    Ken Rosenthal said SEA tradig Morrow to Jays for League and Prospect.

  120. Salty Buggah says:

    Ken Rosenthal: Sources: Mariners have reached tentative agreement to trade Brandon Morrow to Blue Jays for B. League and prospect.

    So that’s another idea off the table (though I doubt it was ever there anyway)

  121. Mike bk says:

    well while we are waiting the jays just got better.

    “The Blue Jays and Mariners reached a tentative agreement on a swap that would send Brandon Morrow to the Blue Jays for Brandon League and a prospect, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Presumably it’d take a solid prospect to balance out the deal.”

  122. V Squared says:

    Brandon Morrow?

  123. Salty Buggah says:

    What if the starter the Yanks trade for is just some 6th starter/swingman guy? That would be hilarious. It doesn’t have to be a big name

  124. Willy says:

    Maybe Cashman is doing to Sheets/Duchscherer what he did with Damon, but the opposite… kind of. Leaking a rumor that they’re about to have their rotation set through a trade to motivate one of these guys to sign.

  125. Mark L. says:

    Cashman having some fun with us…

    Would be kind of funny if I stayed up late to find out that it is Dana Eveland

  126. Phil McCracken says:

    If we had the hitter to give to San Fran, I’d say its Matt Cain.

    Unfortunately SF doesn’t have anywhere to really put Montero. Unless they switch him to 1B immediately.

  127. pat says:

    Damn, Jays getting Morrow. Good for them.

  128. The Short Porch says:

    People are guessing plitchers like Johnson/Felix but if it’s a young gun slinger I think there is a better shot it’s Verlander the Tigers are rebuilding and if they could pry Hughes + Montero it would be smart for them to do.

    I live in Michigan and all the Tigers fans I know envision him getting traded. Michigan really is in bad shape it might be smart to trade him before he makes big $$.

  129. Free Mike Vick says:

    well…i give up.

  130. nathan says:

    Wow this has to be the sneakiest deals ever… so many reporters coming up empty…

  131. Explosion says:

    My minds gonna explode from all the thinking and speculation of who the pitcher is , I FINALLY GIVE UP

  132. Subdivisions says:

    To me, it has to be one of these pitchers..

    1. Bronson Arroyo.
    2. Roy Oswalt
    3. Gil Mesche
    4. Javy Vasquez
    5. Matt Cain

    Im gonna go with Arroyo, but I wouldnt be shocked if Owsalt is the one.. being Houston isnt going anywhere, and hes gettin older and wants a ring.

    I think we could get any of these pitchers w/o Montero being in a package, or Joba or hughes.

  133. Subdivisions says:

    oop,s i mean Montero would have to be dealt for Cain..

  134. DAVID S says:

    ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF VERLANDER, SAY YAY!!!!!!!!

  135. Subdivisions says:

    ROFL Verlander.. are u on Crack? Detroit would NEVER deal him within the AL.

    Who else is there who is on a team going no where? Josh Johnson?

  136. Subdivisions says:

    If i refresh MLBTR any more, im gonna break my f5 key.. At least the story moved up to #2, from #3 now.. soon to be #1 when we get the answer

  137. #51 = HOF says:

    Could it be Lannan. The Nats got Marquis and could be looking to dump a pitcher.

  138. Subdivisions says:

    Wont be Lannan… Washington has him under control and he doesnt make much, plus he would be shell shocked in the AL East… Its not gonna be from washington..

    Has to be from one of

    Atlanta
    Florida
    Kansas City
    Detroit
    Cincinatti
    Houston
    Cleveland
    San Fransisco

    I think those are the only “Sellers”

  139. Subdivisions says:

    You have to wonder if its a possible 3 team deal.. I really feel Arroyo, Oswalt, or Josh Johnson.. Those are really the only “Big 3″ that I can see on the move from their respective club, that wouldnt cost us the Farm..

    Out of them josh Johnson would cost the most, but Probably not Montero. Florida would want Young ML ready talent tho, that is under team control for a number of years (Hughes) :(

  140. NCpinstripes says:

    I don’t want to see Montero traded. The kid has too much upside at a position of need for us in the next couple of years. Keep him.

    All this hype, and it’s going to wind up being a depth starting type pitcher.

  141. aj says:

    I think it’s Duscherer. No way it’s Josh Johnson, they’ll want the farm and a few cows for him.

  142. Ken says:

    Melky and Joba for Carlos Zambrano?

  143. Camilo Gerardo says:

    seeing as we don’t need an ace unless someone is donating one to the Yankees, I will be pissed if we give Joba/Hughes/Montero

    • Subdivisions says:

      thats what im sayin.. It has to be a Low Pay, High Reward/Price pitcher… If its not a salary dump, its not Lowe.. That leaves only a select few, who make bucks, and would come cheaper..

      Arroyo, oswalt just pop in mind.

      Besides Francesa has been pushing for Arroyo for 3 years now.

      • Joe B. says:

        If Cashman listened to Francesa, Nate McLouth would’ve been a Yankee years ago. And the team would be awful.

      • Keanu Reeves says:

        The fact that Francesa has been pushing Arroyo should not increase your confidence in that possibility.

        Besides, as multiple people have pointed out, it was reported this is not a “salary dump”, basically eliminating Arroyo from any discussion.

        • Steve says:

          Seriously. Francessa also pimped Barry Zito endlessly for years and years and years, even though he was obviously already into a 4 or 5 year steady decline. He’s a moron. I want nothing to do with Arroyo.

  144. NCpinstripes says:

    No way it’s Arroyo, because if it is I’m gonna have to ask Santa for a new laptop, because this one will be flying across the room.

  145. wi-Fi Guy says:

    http://twitter.com/BloggingBombers

    He puts josh Johnson and the Yankees in the same sentence and then crushes my dreams

  146. Phil McCracken says:

    It really can’t be Meche either even though the Royals have inquired about Gardner.

    Meche is due 24M over the next 2 years. I can’t see Cashman doing that.

    • Drew says:

      Yepp and that would be a salary dump unless they include Soria.

      /jizzes in pants

    • Subdivisions says:

      Yes but remember Cashman did say he “Had enough for 1 big aquision”, hence why people thought they may step in teh Bay/Holliday sweepstakes… So he can easily take on a 2-3 year deal at 30MM.

  147. Subdivisions says:

    By the way Oswalt has 2 years (Option in 2012) about 35MM? Left.. I wonder..

  148. Bob Stone says:

    Speaking of pitchers (although off topic which I usually don’t do, but I’m getting antsy with no news on this rumor) Peter Gammons had a great quote about a Yankee pitcher in an SI.com interview:

    “SI.com: Is there a particular player that you would really like to write an in-depth feature on?

    Gammons: I’d have to wait till the offseason but what I’d really like to do is go to Panama with Mariano Rivera. I think he is the most distinguished man that I’ve ever covered. He is the man I consider to be the MVP and Cy Young of the last 15 years. I would love to know more about where he comes from and how he has maintained that incredible balance.”

    The link is:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

  149. rossdfarian says:

    First thing to factor in: The powers that be have stated a preference for ‘getting younger’
    Second item: The Marlins said they’re not trading Johnson before opening day.
    Third point: Someone produced a list of teams with whom the Yankees may be dealing. Wouldn’t it be smart to work backwards. Let’s take Houston. What do they need? If we know they need an outfielder and a pitching prospect then, we might figure we have Cabrera / Swisher and Joba / Hughes / Nova / McAllister as likely targets. So, would Cabrera and Joba net Wandy Rodriguez?
    I don’t know if this is the way you prefer to do this kind of thing but, it seems a bit more realistic to me than just guessing.

    • Subdivisions says:

      Why in the hell would we want Wandy Rodriguez.. The yankees don’t deal small.. its Oswalt or bust..

      There is also Brandon Webb coming off injury, but i HIGHLY douct that one.

      • Keanu Reeves says:

        Wandy 2009: 205.2 IP, 3.02 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 139 ERA+, 193 SO

        Oswalt 2009: 181.1 IP, 4.12 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 102 ERA+, 138 SO

        Oswalt is not an ace anymore. Rodriguez was better and healthier in 2009. I’m not saying I want either, but don’t make it to seems as if Oswalt is still the pitcher he was 3 or 4 years ago.

    • Subdivisions says:

      Why in the hell would we want Wandy Rodriguez.. The yankees don’t deal small.. its Oswalt or bust..

      There is also Brandon Webb coming off injury, but i HIGHLY douct that one.

  150. Subdivisions says:

    Just gonna throw another name out there…

    Aroldis Chapman? I know its not a trade, but keep him in the back of your mind..

    Discuss.

  151. Drew says:

    Spillover 3? WTF. I want names son!

  152. Hey ZZ says:

    Who would you be most upset about if they get traded?

    Joba/Hughes/Montero

    I will start off with a vote for Montero

    • wi-Fi Guy says:

      Montero

    • Subdivisions says:

      Hughes.. he has gone thru ALOT just to be where hes at. Followed by Joba who loves NYC.. Montero never has been up so he doesnt know any better.

    • The Short Porch says:

      Montero,Joba,Hughes in that order.

      • BklynJT says:

        Agreed. Joba over Hughes because he has no innings limit this year and I still believe he has better stuff. Funny how alot of the baseball analyst are fooled by Hughes “resurgence” in the bullpen and now instantly feel Hughes > Joba only for that reason.

        • Steve says:

          You’ve got that backwards. Hughes was long considered the better prospect to Joba. Funny how his time in the bullpen in 2007 changed that. I’d still take Hughes over Joba. Joba was NOT good in the rotation last season. I’m not saying I’m ready to give up on him, and I certainly don’t want to just give him away, but you have to give value to get value. In the right deal I’d part with anyone, but out of Joba/Hughes/Montero, Joba would be the least painful give in my opinion.

          • BklynJt says:

            I disagree, joba has the better stuff and higher potential. You are right in that Hughes was the better prospect, but that was until joba blazed through the minors with great numbers and a high 90s fastball deep in games. I think if you were to evaluate them purely on stuff (when they both had their best), joba comes out ahead. Too bad he’s probably also a headcase…

    • Drew says:

      All depends on the return my man.

    • rob says:

      Hughes, Montero, then Joba

  153. Mark says:

    Mo should be up for one of those 30 in 30 documentaries that ESPN has done. Have to say the one on the U football was great.

  154. mike c says:

    cliff lee?

  155. Hey ZZ says:

    Brad Penny.

    Trade someone like Miranda for him and flip him at the deadline for a Justin Smoak type bat.

  156. GG2000 says:

    We need Spillover thread #2!

  157. mike c says:

    hughes + robertson for a borderline #2 starter?

    • Steve says:

      Man, I’d give up anyone in the right deal, but both of those guys would hurt to lose. Robertson really started to come into his own last year, he’s filthy.

  158. TJ says:

    I’m thinking it could be Billingsley.

    • Subdivisions says:

      No, LAD loves Billingsley, and they would ask for the Moon…

      Think a team that is NOT in contention, willing to dump a pitcher that would be No worse then a #2 on a bad team.. That is what were lookin at…

      Someone who wont cost us 2 of the big 3.

    • Steve says:

      Dodgers already lost Wolf to FA though, and haven’t been active at all in FA this year because of their owner’s pending divorce. I’m not sure why they’d deal a really good young, relatively cheap SP, or who they would replace him with.

    • Mike bk says:

      for?

      Joba, Melky, Cano for Billingsley, Kemp, elbert?

  159. mike c says:

    think the angels would trade weaver?

  160. zoudini says:

    Everyone… say it with me… BARRY ZITO /2002

  161. zoudini says:

    But srsly, Liriano?

  162. cdg02001 says:

    Isn’t the best guess that the Yanks trade to the Cubs? After the Granderson trade there was talk they’d be interested in Gardner, but now that they’ve moved Parker Bros. over to Seattle, that interest is probably heightened. Considering it won’t be Big Z, aren’t the odds best that it’ll be Lilly – who wanted to sign with the Yanks in 07 anyway? We get him for one year, he misses the first month or two of the season and takes over for Hughes when he gets to the inning limit. Plus, his contract is up next year, leaving us ready for the big offseason.

    The question is who it would cost in addition to Gardner. Obviously Phil or Joba would be too much for less than a full healthy year of Lilly, as would Jesus. Who could be added?

    If not ChiC, the next club interested in Gardner was KC, and I guess Bannister would be the best pick up for the Yanks.

    • Subdivisions says:

      Lilly is an excellent thought.. I overlooked him and i think he would Love to come bakc to NYY.. Has pitched very well in the AL East too..

      VERY interesting cdg.. Good job.

      • Mike bk says:

        only been said 10 other times. it was said wont be a salary dump and lilly for 12 mil a year is one.

        • cdg02001 says:

          It’s not a salary dump if Lilly is actually worth $12MM, which last year he was. The Cubs have a plethora of SP and are 1 of maybe 2 or 3 teams that are interested in Melky/Gardner.

          After the AJax trade I, for one, would be really surprised if we move anyone from our now semi-depleted farm. Dealing from a (relative) surplus in the OF makes the most sense. The Cubs are the most obvious match up. If not Lilly, who would it be?

          I don’t think Cashman’s looking to change the core of the future in moving Joba or Hughes. And all the cheap, blockbuster alternatives you’re all looking at include Josh Johnson, Jurrgens, Cain, etc. All cheap, team controlled, productive SPs out there are going to cost us more than Melky or Gardner.

          Lee isn’t traded for Halladay every week.

  163. Subdivisions says:

    Im gonna throw out another odd one..

    John Maine? Perhaps Inter NY Trade? Or god i hope not Ollie Perez.

    • Drew says:

      Don’t insult teh Cash.

      • Subdivisions says:

        Perez is not an insult to cash.. he is a low cost (prospect wise) high reward guy.. Say the Mets take 50% of his salary and get a Gaudin/Mitre + Prospect in return..

        There pretty desperate over there in flushing.

        If perez ever honed hs skill, and learned to throw strikes, he would be an allstar every year.. hes that talented.. but a head case like wow.

  164. Hey ZZ says:

    This big chipotle cheesteak sandwich from Subway restaurants is sooo big.

    It is this trade big.

  165. zoudini says:

    gavin floyd?

  166. mike c says:

    lannan from the nats? they just picked up marquis, strasburg, and bruney– they may be looking to unload another arm for a spare outfielder

  167. TJ says:

    What about John Danks or Gavin Floyd?

  168. zoudini says:

    chris young, brandon mccarthy, or ubaldo?

    • Subdivisions says:

      I was thinking about Chris Yonng, but coming off injury and the news would be more Ho-Hum, and totally unproven in the AL.

    • Mike bk says:

      ubaldo is 100 times better than the other 2.

    • Steve says:

      But, are Chris Young or Brandon McCarthy really any better than Joba or Hughes at this point? I say no, and don’t think the Rox would move Ubaldo yet.

      • zoudini says:

        You’re right… theyre definitely not better than Hughes/Joba but again solid as injury/in case of struggling Joba/Phil fallbacks

        and ubaldo was a pipe dream more than anything else.. and a little bit of which one of these is not like the others.. he’s not really a media name tho but a potential deal would be blockbuster in terms of impact

        • Steve says:

          I agree, Ubaldo is definitely a very good young SP. I was just thinking that if it’s a really good young starter we’re talking about, it’s more than likely going to come from a team that is really hurting for money, or notoriously stingy in spending it. A team like the Marlins fits that bill, thus names like Johnson and Nolasco make some sense, even though they would likely command quite a package in return, particularly Johnson. Even Verlander I don’t think is completely out of the question as the Detroit is getting killed even worse than the rest of the country by the depression. The Rockies don’t have the same history of trading guys away as the reach/near arbitration eligibility like that, that’s all I was saying.

  169. Drew says:

    Is Cashmoneez sleeping or pulling ninja type moves? Find out at 1 on your local news.

  170. Matt says:

    We haven’t had a solid update in over an hour. I don’t think we will find out tonight.

  171. Rod says:

    Isn’t Gavin Floyd a hold ‘em player?

  172. Subdivisions says:

    Someone call John Haymen and get him to find out..

  173. BrianM says:

    The more I think about it the more it feels like Vazquez, with an outside chance of Lilly (who is not a salary dump).

    But my guess is Vasquez, with Melky heading to Atlanta along with a back up middle infielder and a minor league arm.

    I do like the shout of Oswalt though, for the right package Houston could finally be tempted.

    • Steve says:

      Oswalt is trending in the wrong direction. I’m not interested at the price his name would likely command.

      • Subdivisions says:

        But you dont know the price.. Remember Houston is cash strapped, McLain was rumored to almost sell the team (or take offers).. Oswalt is a team guy, and may accept a trade to get that shot at a ring, and houston while we would have to give up one of the big 3, i could see a Hughes + 2 prospects for Oswalt, with the Yankees taking his 2 years 36MM.

        • mike c says:

          hughes>oswalt

          • Subdivisions says:

            While i Love P Hughes, he (right now) is no where near Oswalt.. a 2 time all star and almost NL CY a few times.

            • Steve says:

              I hear you regarding Hughes and Oswalt, but you also have to factor in cost and future potential, not just past results. Hughes is still just 23, extremely highly regarded, and looked to come into his own last year. Oswalt is 32, has a ton of innings on his arm, and is on a 4-year downward trend. I didn’t say he was trash, I just said his name value will probably make the cost of acquiring him prohibitive. With salary factored in, I would not give up Hughes+ for him right now.

  174. pete says:

    Montero+ for Josh Johnson

  175. Jay says:

    It feels like its gonna be a big deal or a bust.

  176. Hey ZZ says:

    What do you think about Jason Hirsh?

  177. cdg02001 says:

    Guys, all the names you’re dropping make sense for US but not for the other teams. What do we have that would make anyone trade us a young, high ceiling, team controlled pitcher like Ubaldo, Danks, or JJ? Those guys would at least cost a Hughes or a Joba, which is a lateral move at that point.

    Start backwards – what do we have that anyone wants? It’s gotta be Melky or Gardner. And who wants them? The Cubs, KC, and maybe Atlanta. Now put together trades. I still think Lilly’s the best bet, followed by Bannister.

    Just because someone’s salary is high (Lilly) doesn’t mean it’s a salary dump. And don’t forget he’s coming off of a minor shoulder surgery, so the Cubs probably wouldn’t mind moving him. Worst case scenario, he misses half a season (he won’t), he’ll still be back in time when Phil runs up against his IP limit.

    • Drew says:

      …Lilly just had shoulder surgery.

      • Drew says:

        eh, formatting FAIL. just should be bold.

        anyone that won’t be ready for ST is nuts imo.

        LHP Ted Lilly might not be ready until May 1, according to Piniella. Lilly underwent surgery this fall to clean up his shoulder. The Cubs say they hope Lilly can be ready to pitch sometime in April, but they will be cautious with the cold weather, and Piniella said at the winter meetings that May 1 is the more likely date.

        http://cubs.scout.com/2/929766.html

      • cdg02001 says:

        Yeah, I mentioned that.

        http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/ne.....8;c_id=chc
        “Typically, recovery time for a procedure such as this would place Lilly’s return to the Cubs rotation sometime in April.”

        Even in a worst case scenario, he’d be coming back in time to spell Hughes.

        Why would the Cubs entertain moving a guy who gave them a 3.10 ERA over 177 IP unless there was a slight question mark?

        • Drew says:

          at 12 million + a trade piece?

          May as well sign Sheets for 9 mil.

          • cdg02001 says:

            Yeah… that’s what I was thinking too.

            It seems like they’d be banking off of “more of a sure thing for a little more money” rather than “higher upside, greater risk, but slightly cheaper.”

            It’s the kind of move that you make when you win the division by 8. You don’t NEED to make the gambling plays, just the smart ones.

            But I would agree that Lilly’s a slight gamble for next season anyway.

            • Drew says:

              I agree with your reasoning. Who do we have that other teams are interested in?… What do we have to offer them and what do they have to offer us?

              The things is, the only thing we know(?) is that we’re looking at a starting pitcher. It’s all crazy speculation at this point.

              Name someone so someone else can shoot it down real quick.

              Looks like we’re going to be waiting a few more hours on this one.

    • zoudini says:

      True, but if this isnt just media blowhards spittin chunks then methinks its likely to be a Beckett to the BoSox kind of deal and likely something that would involve moving 2/3 of Hughes/Joba/Montero… if it’s for a JJ/Ubaldo/Danks (in that order), I think that’s not such a far fetched possibility…. clearly if they were willing to do it for Halladay, Cash would pull the trigger on one of those guys and see if he can find some way to work in some valuable filler to make it work for both sides…

      • cdg02001 says:

        If you were Cash, coming off a 103-win WS championship season, where you’ve admitted you’re only tinkering in the offseason until next year’s big splash, would you move any 2 of those players for any one of the options you listed?

        Short of JJ, I don’t think I’d do a straight up between any of them (though it might be close). Now, there are rumors that JJ is so pissed about the deal the Fish offered Alrodis that he demanded a trade, but I still don’t think we’re the team that needs to make the splash.

        Keep the core youth together, patch our minor holes, and get ready for the shopping spree next winter.

    • Steve says:

      I love Hughes as much as the next guy, and can’t wait to see what Montero can do. But there’s no way you can say giving one of those guys, still various degrees of unproven, is a lateral move in a deal for Josh Johnson. The guy is a stud.

      • cdg02001 says:

        I agree. I just don’t see why’d they’d move him unless he’s serious about the Chapman thing. It could make sense, but at the same time I think we’re just Yankee fans at 1am trying to think of the best possible deal.

        Don’t forget there were warning signs a month before the Grandy trade we were in on him. Well, there have been warning signs since then that ChiC and KC are in on Gardner/Melky.

        I’m just saying when you hear hooves think horses, not zebras. But yeah, I’d LOVE getting JJ, and I’d give up Phranchise for him.

        • Steve says:

          I agree CDG, we’re probably just pipe-dreaming with a lot of these names. But keep in mind the Marlins have a history of trading away players once they reach arbitration eligibility because they don’t like to pay them. I think Johnson is still a year away from that point, but if they would trade him a year from now, I can’t believe that they wouldn’t consider it this year for the right package, regardless of what they say publicly. If Johnson really is demanding a trade, that just may speed up the process. Florida would demand a heavy price for him, I’m sure, but it’s definitely conceivable that they would trade him, and I think the Yankees definitely have the chips if they chose to play them.

          • cdg02001 says:

            I agree, and on the plus-side, he’s the only SP who wouldn’t push us over the soft salary-cap of the ones we’re currently discussing.

            My best guesses are:

            1.Lilly (and the trade is dragging because we’re seeing if they’ll swallow some salary).

            2.JJ (and the trade is dragging/surrounded in mystery because it’s a legit blockbuster).

            3.Vazquez (trade dragging because we’re haggling, he’s probably worth more than Swish alone)

            and

            4.Bannister

            In that order.

  178. Subdivisions says:

    There is also Tim Hudson, coming off injury.

  179. Steve says:

    Why all the Brian Bannister speculation? I know the Royals expressed some interest in Gardner, but Bannister is not any better than Hughes or Joba, and arguably no better than Gaudin.

    • cdg02001 says:

      Bannister’s young, got great upside but middling results so far. Of the SP in KC, he’s the only one that we could get for Gardner + someone not named Phil/Joba/Jesus, and that we’d want to target.

      It would make sense as another smart building for the future, deal from excess move.

      • Subdivisions says:

        But Bannister doesnt make sense from a PR standpoint.. This is a move to counter Lackey, so it has to be someone of substance.. Not someone who has a 5-15 record on his resume…

        • cdg02001 says:

          I hope it’s not a move to counter Lackey.

          We just need pitching, not to counter Lackey. I count 4.5 SP for next season: CC, AJ, Pettitte, Joba, and Phil (0.5), with Gaudin and Mitre in case of emergency. We need one more pitcher, and he doesn’t have to be #1/#2 material.

      • Steve says:

        I agree he wouldn’t take much to acquire, but I’d rather hang onto Gardner for OF depth than acquire another guy who’s upside in the best case scenario is probably no greater than a #4 or #5 starter in the AL. Bannister’s a smart pitcher with solid control, but his stuff has always been decidedly mediocre. Right-handed starters who can’t touch 90 on the radar gun don’t have much history of success in the AL East.

        • cdg02001 says:

          Good catch. I thought I remembered from fantasy that he was hyped for having “breakout ability,” but it was really that he was just a really smart player. I mean, maybe he’s an IPK 2.0.

          But yeah, the more I think of it, the less likely it seems.

      • Jake K. says:

        Why do you say Bannister has great upside? He has mediocre stuff and has arguably maxed out his talent.

  180. mustang says:

    Anyone who thinks that Atlanta is giving up Vasquez for Melky I have a bridge to sell you. There is one guy that Atlanta has been in love with for years and fits their plans and that’s Swisher.

    • Subdivisions says:

      Possible trade w/ Swish and re-sign Damon? I think swish is too important in the clubhouse..

      • Drew says:

        Production>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Clubhouse attitude

        • Subdivisions says:

          Last i checked Swish hit 28HR, is younger, can actually THROW the ball, and is a god obp guy.

          • Drew says:

            “I think swish is too important in the clubhouse..”

            Again:
            Production>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Clubhouse attitude
            You mention his stats when I refer to you calling him a good clubhouse guy.

            It’s nice to have good character guys but if he’s a dick and hits 270/280/510 we all love him.

      • mustang says:

        I don’t know maybe they have a deal with Holliday or something. But I do know that they are not going to give up a 15 game winner with an era under 3 for Melky and a back -up infielder. The Braves are looking for a big bat.

  181. cdg02001 says:

    One last thing, I know a Harang trade has been killed, but I would LOVE it if the Yanks got him.

    He was one of the most undervalued pitchers in all of baseball, up until 2 years ago when Dusty broke him. By the end of the season he was regaining prior form. This past season was terrible for him in terms of win-loss, but if you look at his peripherals, he’s still the same pitcher.

    I know I’m pretty alone in this train of thought, I just thought I’d voice it.

    • Drew says:

      I used to be a huge Harang fan. He fell off a bit and I jumped off the band wagon. For the right priced, I’d like to give him a shot.

    • Steve says:

      If it wouldn’t take anything more than a B prospect or two and taking on his salary, then I’m all for getting Harang and putting him at the back of the rotation. I don’t think it’s a bad idea at all. I just think we’ve been kicking around all these other names because Rosenthal said it wasn’t Harang and others have said it’s not a salary dump deal.

  182. joemomma says:

    why do people keep saying to trade swish…smh

    the guy gave us 29 hrs , 82 rbi , and an era or 0.00

    • cdg02001 says:

      I agree Swisher is underrated by a large portion of the fan base. But I think the point is Javy had amazing results last year and, if he’s available, (1) the Braves want Swish and (2) his value is better than Melky’s or Gardner’s, so the trade would be easier with him.

    • Drew says:

      No one wants to give up Swish due to negative performance. Many people, I for one, would consider trading him because he is a commodity. We would have the leverage, it’s not about trading him for some salary dump/old/beatdown starter. It’s about trading him for someone who could help us win 28,29,30.

      If a sick deal isn’t to be had, then keep him. Considering his ridiculous home/away splits I’d say he’s due for an even better 2010.

    • mustang says:

      Because of what you just said he produces and has a contract that the lower market teams can handled. In order to get you have to give.

  183. jonathan says:

    how about this possibility? Marlins trade Uggla and Josh Johnson to the Braves for prospects. We trade Swisher and prospects to the Braves for Josh Johnson.

  184. The Short Porch says:

    A lot of people have been saying they wouldn’t want Javy from ATL but I would love to get him. I know he was already a Yankee and he dissapointed some people + he has always been a little homer prone and YS111 wouldn’t help that.

    The positives are though he was one of the most valuable pitchers in the NL last year and throws filth. If we got him he probaly would unseat A.J. as our #2.

    Javy isn’t Lowe and if we could get him without giving up one of the big three we should.

  185. Camilo Gerardo says:

    come on cash.. garbrera for prospects and trade for a corner outfielder of your pence to bruce to hamilton variety (or sign mattyH)

    CC, AJ, AP, Jober, Phranchise is gold. Gaudin, Mitre, McAllister, Nova, Ace, Garcia, Wang?? is plenty insurance

  186. CJ says:

    Tom Grzelanny from the cubs+ a prospect for Brett Gardner. Great FIP last year a nd had a really good year in 07.

  187. JackISBACK says:

    I’m going to say Chad Billingsly as well. I believe the Dodgers were talking trades with him involved at the deadline last year, so maybe he’s available. I’m not sure who we’d give up though. Maybe make it a blockbuster with Cano and Kemp involved or something.

  188. Drew says:

    F a trade. We got Mike Rivera son!

  189. Alex C says:

    Here are my latest guesses lol.

    1. Cain for Cano and McCallister

    3. Lilly for Melky and Nova

  190. Alex C says:

    I meant

    1. Cain for Cano and McCallister
    2. Lilly for Melky and Nova
    3. Gil Meche for Nova and Russo

    • RollingWave says:

      Matt Cain has been a steady 3.5-4.0 WAR guy , Robinson Cano (barring 08) has been a 3.5-5.0 WAR guy who’s shown more flucation, but given this, and everything else involved. I don’t see now why anyone in their right minds would want to trade Cano for Cain unless they have some super prospect pushing 2B (which they don’t)

  191. Alex C says:

    If it is Cain then we sign Hudson to play second.

  192. Scooter Blake says:

    I’ll tell you right now that if it’s a “big” trade it’ll be a guy who’s about to enter free agency (Webb, Lilly). But I’m feeling like it’s gonna be more like a trade for a Ubaldo Jimenez, Aaron Harang, John Danks or Mark Buehrle.

    • Scooter Blake says:

      Forget I said Lilly entering free agency. Had a brain fart.

      • Scooter Blake says:

        Don’t worry, I’m just having an argument with myself at almost 2am my time. Lilly IS in fact a free agent after this year. He’s back on my radar for sure now.

        • The 19th Century Short Porch says:

          I don’t see NY trading for someone like Lilly who will start the year on the DL. They would probaly just sign Sheets who didn’t pitch last year but at least he doesn’t have a injury that will make missing time a no doubter. Lilly also makes 12 mill I don’t see the Yanks trading for someone making that much.

          That’s why personally I feel we are talking a big name because I think it’s a cost controlled young stud that’s just about to get paid and the other club wants to move him before that happens.

  193. The 19th Century Short Porch says:

    On Ken Rosenthal + Morosi’s blog it says a deal could be done by Tuesday and still nobody knows who is in invovled? This is really weird I can’t imagine this is some pitcher like Zach Duke for this to be so secretive it must be big and that scares me.

  194. Jeff Levy says:

    I wonder what Gardner or Cabrera + McAllister, Nova, Russo, Miranda could get the Yankees?

  195. DGeezy says:

    Let’s throw out another name: Dan Haren

    I wonder if we could acquire him for a package of players that makes sense for us.

    • The 19th Century Short Porch says:

      He would cost a lot in terms of players and I think that ARZ is trying to win the West in ’10 that’s why they gave up Sherzer for Jackson + Kennedy. So it really doesn’t make sense from that POV but if this deal is for a big name pitcher Haren is a possibilty.

      No one is untouchable so if Cashman made him a offer that made ARZ better he could be the guy but I think Josh Johnson is even more likely then Haren.

    • The 19th Century Short Porch says:

      He would cost a lot in terms of players and I think that ARZ is trying to win the West in ’10 that’s why they gave up Sherzer for Jackson + Kennedy. So it really doesn’t make sense from that POV but if this deal is for a big name pitcher Haren is a possibilty.

      No one is untouchable so if Cashman made ARZ a offer that made ARZ better he could be the guy but I think Josh Johnson is even more likely then Haren.

      • Short Porch says:

        Hey gramps, you’re repeating yourself.

        I’ll admit though I found you more convincing the second time.

        If its Johnson, I think you say bye bye to Joba + someone like Nova or McAllister.

  196. RyenK says:

    5 Reasons why I think it’s Josh Johnson
    1.)The Marlins don’t have much confidence in being able to work out an extension. Johnson’s agent even went as far to say he wouldn’t be in Florida beyond next season.
    2.)One of Cashman’s goals for the offseason was to get younger. He’s already proved this by acquiring Granderson and N. Johnson. By virtually showing no interest in Lackey, but never losing sight of adding another SP, I think he was thinking youth.
    3.)Josh Johnson fits perfectly into Cashman’s ideal mold of a SP. A rocket arm, and strikeout machine.
    4.)A willingness to part with Joba or Hughes…but only for a young ace. As you all know, he wasn’t ready to part with either of them for Halladay. When Toronto demanded one of them, talks of a potential trade went out the window.
    5.)None of the following fit the clues of what Olney/Heyman/Rosenthal/Feinsand have given us.
    -Lowe
    -Vazquez
    -Harang
    -Arroyo
    -Zambrano
    -Meche
    -Bannister

    • The 19th Century Short Porch says:

      I don’t know if Florida would want to trade Johnson now or not but all your points about Cashman are right on. I don’t expect Cashman to trade for a veteran guy in his 30′s whoever Cash is working on has to be someone young based on the way he is operating theses days. Also keep in mind there is a firm budget this is why I can’t believe it’s Lilly/Lowe or anyone like that Johnson isn’t going to make a lot until the Yanks would have to resign him a couple years from now.

      So I agree Johnson would not shock me because I could see Cash going all in for him and in a way it makes sense for Florida because Johnson and his ageant have already said that he’s not going to resign. The only thing that doesn’t make sense from a Florida POV would be if they belive they can contend if that were the case they should wait till July and then see where they stand.

    • mustang says:

      Vazquez fits the clues.

  197. ecksodia says:

    Wow. I went to sleep last night disappointed that there wasn’t anything big, and when I wake up the two threads have already combined for about a thousand comments, and most of us still have no clue! Yankee fans FTW.

    I think the fear of Cash going for a vet is unfounded; I mean, again, the refusal to trade for Halladay earlier this season (earlier this offseason, if you will!) more than reaffirms this. If he didn’t do it for arguably the best pitcher in the game, why do it now?

    So if it’s going to be a big deal, then yes, perhaps its for a young stud that still has years of team control left/is open to an extension. That is the kind of trade that would make sense, seeing as how it, at least to me, is the most efficient use of prospects, combined with the use of our main organizational strength, money (i.e., signing said stud to an extension).

    On these merits alone Josh Johnson looks like a possibility (I never believed that the Rangers offered Smoak/Feliz for him), but, as has been said over and over again, all we can really do is speculate, eh?

    I’m just glad I wasn’t awake when this first broke out. I would’ve constantly clicked refresh on my RSS feeds to see if MLBTR/ESPN/SI/every sports site for updates.

  198. Tampa Yankee says:

    Going on some of these comments about it being Josh Johnson, they may not be far off. The Marlins were at $35.5M last year. Hanley’s salary goes up $1.5M, Uggla is in his 2nd yr of arb. and will go up from his $5.4M salary in 2009. Nolasco just got a $1.4M raise from 2009. Johnson in his 2nd yr of arb and per mlbtr:

    Failing a long-term deal, the Marlins still need to hammer out a 2010 salary for Johnson as he enters his second arbitration year. Sticking with Greinke, he earned only $3.75MM in what would’ve been his second arb year. Cole Hamels will get $6.65MM. Scott Kazmir earned $6MM. Joe Blanton, who’s been going year-to-year, earned $5.475MM. It will be interesting to see where Johnson lands; as a young ace in his second arb year he’s in the same boat as Justin Verlander and Felix Hernandez.

    My guess would be it’s closer to what Hamels and Kaz got. I mean if Blanton got $5.5, I think Johnson could as well. That’s a good amount of $ ties up for a team that doesn’t like to spend a lot and is known to deal away players before they get too expensive. I think they’d be want a deal to be centered around Joba or Hughes since they cost less but if they start asking for Montero as well, I’d pass.

  199. Steve H says:

    Any chance of it being Johnson without including Montero? Obviously led by Joba or Hughes, maybe a catching prospect, a Nova/Mccalister type and some filler?

    • Zack says:

      if you were the Marlins would you make that deal?

      • Steve H says:

        If I’m the Marlins I just pay Johnson. They won’t. If they have to move him because they are cheap, they take the best offer on the table. That could be it, who knows.

        • Zack says:

          They have 2 years to deal him, if the best package now is Joba/Hughes + B/C prospects thats not getting it done.

          Marlins are a smart franchise when it comes to trades, they’re not Kenny Williams or Moore

  200. Brian says:

    As per MLBTR, it’s not Duke or Maholm.

  201. Tampa Yankee says:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....tcher.html

    Apparently they are after Vazquez.

  202. Doug says:

    more speculation from olney:

    http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN

    (for those wanting a sneak peak, he mention josh johnson)

  203. mustang says:

    8:17am: Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that the Yankees are working to re-acquire Javier Vazquez.

    BINGO !!!!!

    The Johnson thing was a pipe dream and i hate to say it but I think the Swisher is going bye bye

    • Steve H says:

      It’s more likely than Johnson, but always consider the source. Nothing in stone yet.

    • Steve H says:

      It’s more likely than Johnson, but always consider the source. Nothing in stone yet.

    • MattG says:

      Swisher is going nowhere.

      I also have serious doubts the target is Vazquez. 33 years old and $11.5M? That does not fit the MO.

      • Zack says:

        whats wrong with a good starter who always makes his start on a 1 year deal for 11.5m to be your 3/4 starter?

        • MattG says:

          Very little–if he’s under contract to you.

          Being under contract to the Braves is a problem.

          • Zack says:

            well obviously the price tag of players going there is an issue; it wont be Joba/Hughes/Jesus, anyone else i’m fine with; i dont want to lose Swish but we’ll see when mor details come out

            • MattG says:

              If Swish is in the deal, its a bad deal. Javy might be more valuable, but Swish is very valuable, too, has a better contract situation, and at this point of the off-season, seems irreplaceable.

              If it’s Melky and minor leaguers not named Montero, then it’s a very nice move.

  204. Zack says:

    Javy Vazquez as your #4 starter? i like it.
    offer him arbitration next year, if he accepts you get your #3 starter on a 1 yr deal, if he denies you get draft picks.

  205. Ansky says:

    For the life of me I just cant see the need to trade Swisher. He was such a big part of the club last year. I wouldnt do it especially for Javy Vasquez at 11.5 mil. I’d rather give that to Sheets and not have to give anything up.

  206. Ansky says:

    For the life of me I just cant see the need to trade Swisher. He was such a big part of the club last year. I wouldnt do it especially for Javy Vasquez at 11.5 mil. I’d rather give that to Sheets and not have to give anything up.

  207. Burnettscreamfilling says:

    I can’t see Cash trading swisher for Vazquez. if he did then instead of one gaping hole in your lineup you now have 2…

  208. Burnettscreamfilling says:

    wow what a steal!
    Vasquez for melky, and 2 prospects????

    Cash is the man!

    and remember Melky is probably going to get 3 mil in arb., anyway
    so that helps off set the cost!

  209. Ansky says:

    so now according to Heyman, the deal is for Vasquez and the package would be Melky, Dunn, and a prospect. (source: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/) I dont like this deal at all b/c i think it would signal the return of Damon. While I dont mind Johnny being back, I just dont want to see him as the starting LF!

  210. MattG says:

    wait, wait, wait…Melky and a prospect (probably Dunn) for Vazquez and Boone Logan?

    Logan = Dunn, so this is basically Melky even up for Vazquez? Really?

  211. [...] Spillover Thread: Yanks in talks to acquire a starting pitcher The night before we learned Javy Vazquez would return to the Yanks, the Internet was abuzz with [...]

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