Dec
21
Spillover Thread: Yanks in talks to acquire a starting pitcher
ByUpdate (11:46pm): Feinsand says the Cubs haven’t asked Carlos Zambrano to waive his no trade clause, and Jon Heyman says he wouldn’t waive it anyway. So rule him out, thankfully.
10:42pm: According to various sources, the Yanks are in talks to acquire a non-salary dump starting pitcher tonight. Our original thread filled up, so continue the conversation here.
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Who is it!?!?!
Mike – gun to your head – who is Cash working on a trade for?
I have no idea. I’ll say Bannister.
its ok everyone…Jon Heyman has awoken from his nap…
we’ll have our answer soon.
I’ll give you guys the exclusive right now. The Yankees are going after a hard-throwing pitcher, I’m hearing Atlanta, Chicago and the Nippon Ham Fighters. Scott . . . I mean SOURCES tell me that they still be in on all the free agent pitchers, even after they make this trade. Yanks will be sending Hughes, Chamberlain and Montero in the deal. Not that I’ve actually heard that, but it makes the story better.
I call Nolasco
that would be an excellent move.
I second. He’s a potential buy-low opportunity (like Swisher) since his ERA was almost 2 runs higher than his FIP. He’s got a sold K rate and a great K:BB rate. Plus he just agreed to a contract with the Marlins.
The Marlins are not the White Sox. They are very intelligent, lol.
Wow a spillover thread!
But anyways who the hell is this pitcher?!
Carlos Zambrano or Victor Zambrano.
One of those two.
Im thinking it’s not going to be a major nor minor trade. They don’t need a #1 or 2 because we got two really good ones. They don’t need a #4 or 5 because we got those. So im expecting a nice sold #3 starter. Plus i dont think they can afford to trade anymore significant prospects.
We have a number 3 starter. His name is Andy Pettitte. He’s quite new – hopefully he’ll catch his big break soon.
A solid #3 would still cost a fair bit in trade and not really upgrade the team more than, say, a relief pitcher would (because they’d be bumping Joba/Hughes to the pen)
damn this whole site is lagging unless its just me
no its lagging
i thought it was just me
not just you
Anibal Sanchez.
TSJC would be pleased.
last thread some guy said johnson was wanted by giants.
well my take is Sanchez for Johnson and Damon resigned = WIN:WIN
Why would SF do that? Could have just paid NJ in FA; and doesnt a new player need to give his permission for a trade this quick?
yep.
So that’s definitely not happening.
S.F. was outbid. If NJ was seriously considering them, he could very well approve. Giants would also get prospects, so it’s not just a matter of “they could have signed NJ”.
5.5m with mutual option is outbidding?
you never mentioned prospects in the original post
damn this whole site is lagging pretty bad
we want trade!
ah, didnt mean to post that
I really think J-Duke is enough…let Hughes and Joba take their lumps
This.
That.
And the other.
I’m going to laugh if/when this turns out to be a minor move.
“Plus i dont think they can afford to trade anymore significant prospects.”
Why? trading prospects does nothing… especially if it’s one of the 10 catching prospects that we have in our top 15.
Trading montero would not be “doing nothing”
I think its Tim Lincecum. If not maybe Clay Buchholz.
Wait… where’s my laptop?
Question: Is MLB Network’s Hot Stove show live? It’s on now, but I’m guessing that since they haven’t mentioned any of this that it’s pre-recorded.
It’s recorded at like, 7pm I think.
Thanks.
Lmao @ 400+ comments and we still dont know any player that is involved.
I’m pretty sure they just do a one hour session a day, that airs around 6 or 7. After that they just repeat it.
Replied in the wrong spot, and know Mike has answered Gio’s question. Yay me!
this will have 4 spillovers before we know anything..yankee fans FTW
Funny thing is I’m enjoying every minute of it. I’m sure we all are.
We heart Hot Stove.
They said it was not a salary dump so I don’t think it’s Lowe, Bonderman, or anyone like that…I think it might be Zack Duke…Cash loves trading with the Pirates
zack duke + Andrew McCutchen + Garrett Jones just because pirates trade for anything. Marte and Nady ^_^
It’s Eddie Whitson.
Steve Trout.
It’s Johnson…Walter Johnson.
Jeremy Guthrie?
Maybe but I don’t see the Orioles trading him in the divison plus I don’t want him.
Roy Oswalt
Josh Johnson — the marlins hate those arbitration hearings
I was thinking this too. We can hope at least. The only bad thing is, I can’t imagine getting a player of his caliber without including Montero.
You aren’t getting JJ without more teams knowing about it and being in on it.
I call
1 Nolasco
2 zack Duke
3 Sean Marshall
4 Josh Johnso (hope)
or maybe Gil Meche
mike mussina
Its Cano for Cain.. i kid
I wonder who walks away from that offer…?
Lets look at it this way. They aren’t going to trade:
1. In the east. Don’t see anyone making a trade with the Yankees.
2. M’s, Texas, Angels, Indians, Mets, Phillies, Nats.
I say those teams because most of them are on their way up or they don’t have any players that would take over Joba or Hughes in the rotation.
Carmona from the Tribe???
Wait…ew, why?
jonathan sanchez?
I think this is cashman’s way of freaking out Mets’ fans..
Omar where are u… see what Cash$$ is upto..
Cash is a devious one…
cy young mark it down
crazy one what about Jair Jurjens and Nate McLouth
for some combination of joba/hughes, swisher, melky, gardner
they can keep mcclouth.
that’d be interesting. i’d go for hughes/gardner for those two but thats lopsided
True. No need to give up that much.
This is probably better than a mid or low level pitcher, otherwise the deal would have been finished a while ago, like if it was a Gardner for Banister swap (which would not be terrible). I think this is a little bigger than that, and that Melky Cabrera could be involved. I mean, the Yankees were likely not planning to go into 2010 with him as their starting left fielder, and the addition of Hoffman makes a player like Cabrera somewhat expendable.
Anyway, Ted Lilly and Javier Vazquez make the most sense in my head.
I can’t see them bringing back Vasquez.
You never know man, but Lilly is the more logical option out of the two. This could be another Cashman move that totally surprises everyone. Watch, he’ll end up getting a guy that has not been listed in rumors all winter.
i’d do that and then sign o-dog
Carmona and Choo?
Who would Cleveland give us to accept Carmona? Gotta be more than Choo. Even in his “good” year, Carmona’s peripherals sucked.
They were talking with the Cubs earlier about Zambrano, but if it’s not a salary dump, we know it’s not him. How about Randy Wells from the Cubs. I don’t know but the suspense is killing me.
Clay Billingsley?
who the fuck is clay billingsley? you must mean chad. and i would love that. decent buy low given his second half last year
Clay Billingsley is the result of a lab accident that combined Chad Billingsley with Clay Kershaw.
that’d be a fucking nasty combo
chad….?
but if there were a clay at least that would be more realistic.
Does anyone think the Indians would deal carmona???Or is he part of the future there??? For some reason I’m thinking it might be him… he’d be a really nice 3
No thank you.
I agree with you there.
Have you looked at his pitching for the last two years?
No. No. SO much no.
he has 2yr/10m contract with a bunch of options years.
why trade for a guy with question marks when you could just sign Duchserer or even Sheets for cheaper and they’re better than he is.
He had one good year with horrible peripherals. Pass.
No, he’s more like #2. As in, shitty.
Lowe, Harang, Lilly, Arroyo are all disasters! No Way!
they are all also salary dumps so they dont qualify.
Yeah we established that about 432 comments ago.
Zach Duke is very much like the Petite to me, without the big game experience. I would like that. Bucs have one catching prospect, Tony Sanchez, first rounder last year.
Pettitte
gotta be lilly. cubs want CF. Lilly is FA next year so short commitment. he can pitch in AL East.
He’s a salary dump, no?
at $12M, yeah
i’d be disappointed if it was
Isnt he hurt and out til May/June? Its not Lilly.
I think Cash$$ ran out of ideas and issued a general one to see what freaky trades we come up with.. i bet a proposal for AGon will be next in this forum…
This is so annoying, shouldnt we know something by now, i mean come on Jon
Lilly is not a disaster. He’s a pitcher we should have never given away for Jeff F..in Weaver!
on mlbtraderumors.com it was just talking about the giants reluctant to trade sanchez for uggla straight up
Zach Duke by any chance?
Yanks and Bucs have matched up a couple of times of late…
Its like the Pirates have become the Yankees AAAA affiliate the last few years.
It’s not going to be Carmona, the Indians hate doing anything that would improve the Yankees. It’s not going to be Lilly, we don’t need to be paying 13 million for a #4 starter.
I would LOVE for it to be Jurrjens, but I’m sure the Braves would want a king’s ransom for him.
Getting Fausto Carmona would make the Yankees a lot, lot worse.
If the Indians are trying to avoid improving the Yankees, they would almost certainly trade them Carmona. Seriously, do some of you not realize how bad Carmona is?
do you get in trouble on this site for writing racial slurs (in as friendly a manner as possible)?
Ooooof.
Yes, absolutely. Please don’t do it. Thanks.
You sorcerer with your comment moving ways.
haha alright
you think your pretty samrt, with your dago mustache, and your greasy hair….
Most of the names involved here are either infuriating or irritating.
Carmona? Lilly? Zambrano? Home Run Javy?
Eek.
Well add to the list bro. We’re all just pulling names out of our asses.
But Carmona? Might as well just make up names. That guy is flat out bad.
you do realize that we’re pretty much making up all these names. its not like we’re gettin this stuff from a real source
Yes. Which is annoying. It doesn’t add anything. If you’re not going to toss out a reasonable name, don’t say anything.
It’s gotta be some risk/reward guy who’d be better than Joba or Hughes, someone who’ll set them up (well) for a couple years, or is swingman type with some upside like Duch.
dude its fun to just toss this shit around. don’t get annoyed by it. and for the record, i haven’t been suggesting unreasonable names. i havent even been suggesting anyone really.
Right, because you are the ruler of all reasonable names.
Come on man, if you disagree with someone just move on to the next guess. That’s what we’re all doing, just guessing…
Mets getting rid of Johan?
i found an even better trade ^_^
Duke + Doumit for Johnson and Gardner. idk i say maybe if that were to actually happen and then NY Signs Damon for 2 years 20 mil
This is such a bad suggestion for so many reasons.
not to pick on you, b/c this is the second time i’ve read it, but the Yankees aren’t trading a guy they signed 5 days ago.
not the way it works.
Johnson is going nowhere. The ink hasn’t even dried and he’s in trade proposals.
Buccos don’t really need Gardner. We traded away two center fielders last year to make room for McCutcheon. Johnson would be useful. Love to see Doumit in pinstripes. Switch hitting catcher with some pop and good average. Played some 1b/OF. Slightly injury prone, but not more than Johnson. Probably would require Cervelli in the trade. Duke is cool as the other side of the pillow. I have wanted the Yankees to get him for some time. I think Buccos should get a prospect or two. Opens the door to bring back Johnny. I like it.
Stop. Johnson won’t be traded. If you want to waste bandwidth, play Slingo.
Ken Phelps Ken Phelps
We should poll who will break the player name first. lol
I’m in, I predict a person in the Yankees organization will break the news of who it is first.
IETC
The Giants Getting it in !!!! FIGHTTTT
Open thread?
No updates in nearly an hour now after nearly 4 in the last hour. What the hell?
Brandon Jacobs is looking at a serious fucking fine.
a SERIOUS FINE
Watch him break a hand punching someone in the helmet. Asshole.
Yet my Skins get penalized… Haynesworth came in after the fact.
Yeah that was epic fail on the Ref’s part.
Kenny Powers?
you’re fucking out
I did enjoy that show.
I don’t know what the solution is, but it certainly isn’t this. Goddamn WasWatching. Where did this Swisher-for-Lowe meme come from? IT IS CRAZY.
this fucking bullshit, again?
stop dropping links for your blog.
Self-promotion rather than linking the WasWatching post?
Alright, let’s get on with it. Tell us who it is!
HAHAHAHAHAH Haynesworth gets penalized for that.
after we punch your players in the face you’ll get penalized then we’ll score a TD
GoGmen
I say it is Yu Darvish. It was supposed to be a secret, but MLB magically implemented a loaning system similar to the MLS…
the Ham Fighters will loan Darvish to us for a year for a certain amount of money like when LA Galaxy loaned Beckham to Milan.
That guy on Arizona…..Ian Kennedy.
It would really fucking suck if the talks stopped.
Giants are just stat-padding right now. Good.
I started Manning this week.
I like it.
I think Halladay has worn out his welcome in Philly. He tried a cheese steak and spat it out. Locals are outraged and are forming a posse.
Link?
did we kill the swish to atl and ending up w jurrjens possibility because it is possibly my fav of this list people have been hacking around?
Good point. Swisher had nothing to do with re-energizing a corporate-stlye clubhouse that hadn’t won shit in years.
I threw out that I thought it might be Ted Lilly in the last thread but as KayGee points out, he had shoulder surgery and is starting the season on the DL.
not a dump? weird there is no name……..
Run it up Tommy, leave no doubt!
Spillover thread on a trade rumor on a monday night?
Congrats RAB, ya’ll reached big time now.
With Rosenthal, Olney, and all the Yankee beat writers working on this, how is it possible that a name hasn’t leaked out yet?
I think Cash$$ is screwing with them…
Cashman is a true ninja.
The Yanks’ GM practices Wu Tang style. Straight ninja.
That’s gangsta, not ninja
Socrates philosophies and hypothesis can’t define how Cash be dropping his mockeries.
And Wu Tang is more kung fu oriented, thats not the same as a ninja.
I heard hes got “Cash rules still don’t nuttin move but the money” tattooed on his back.
Word. I mean it’s been a couple hours with a few media members covering this and not a likely name.
Oh and I beat ya!
Yeah, it’s pissing me off now!
I think Buster Olney is facing a serious fine.. he has turned away so many fans from MNF to the MLB network and blogs…
The Giants turned many fans away. They came out with their pimp hand raised and ready.
Its got to be a team that could use a CF, so Cubs or KC makes sense.
WE NEED AN “A LIST GUY”
VERLANDER PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have one of those, you may have heard of him — big guy, African-American, originally from Cali, goes by his initials . . .
Dwight: We’re still missing the teenage love puppy and Steve the Pirate.
Owen: Who’s Steve the Pirate?
Dwight: The only guy on our team that dresses like a pirate!
Owen: Wait, there’s a guy on our team who dresses like a pirate?
But his playoff ERA is 6+!1!1!!
ha remember that?
Just as fondly as I remember 0-8 against the Sox.
lets all take a moment to thank cash one last time for signing him.
I keep surfing baseball sites and there is NOTHING in the way of an update. I think we may all have to wait until tomorrow.
Heh, I could just picture Cash sitting in his office drinking sangria, just doing this to fuck with the MSM.
or some shiraz yellow tail
NoMaas, make it happen please.
Sangria or an OE 40?
Smoking a Cubano with his legs up, chillin.
Jack on the rocks.
Would Cash drain the farm for Cain?
So there have been rumors that the Cubs might be interested in Gardner or Melky. Could it be a Cub’s pitcher?
Yanks, Marlins, Giants 3 way deal
Yanks get Cain, Josh Johnson
Giants get Hughes, Uggla
Marlins get Joba, Jesus Montero, and Jonathan Sanchez
We aint givin up all 3 in one trade… unless its Felix
That trade would be done in a heartbeat.
imo of course
To get Cain AND Johnson. Umm yeah.
CC
Johnson
Cain
Burnett
Pettitte
/video game’d
this news breaks, i instantly jizz in my pants
/crackwhore’d
Good deal for Yankees+Marlins, bad deal for Giants.
Will the Yankee blogs explode if its Wandy Rodriguez
It’s not going to be an ace. Man seeing Campbell go down again is making me hurt. Man has he taken a beating tonight.
Please keep the comments running, they are very entertaining to read. LETS GO NOW, LETS GO NOW, LETS GO NOW, WOOH LETS GO!
um
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I hope it happens tonight….because I will do nothing at work tomorrow (except hit refresh) until it does.
+1 its my birthday and I dont want to leave the computer now……Been here for 2 hours now. And still no real news on who we the Yankees will receive.
Dear Santa Cashman,
Josh Johnson. Please.
Who is it? I’M FREAKING OUT !!!1!11
The Yankees have 40 minutes until it is officially tomorrow and Buster Olney is a big fat liar.
Hey everyone! This guys’ a phony! A great big phony!
Wasn’t gonna jump?
Fake piano playing.
Who new this twitter thing would become so necessary. It’s a must have for hot stove, initially I wrote it off for 12 year old girls.
At this point Id have to say we are worse than 12 year old girls. Well those of us who are just sitting our computers waiting for breaking news…
I blame this slow hot stove.
Of course it also hurts since false rumors could be easily spread.
I agree. I love it for all the baseball news.
Brett Farve to the Yanks for the K man.
I’m freaking out like a teenage girl before prom rite now!
Sorry baby, can’t go to the prom with you… I uh, uh, I’m moving to New Zealand…
*goes home, hits refresh on MLBTR repeatedly*
Someone on another forum mentioned the possibility of the Mariners flipping Cliff Lee. I can’t see it happening, but it’d be one heck of a rotation…
That would be ridiculous for them to do.
No thanks. Still can’t convince myself that he’s elite.
I agree with you. I don’t know what it is about him that I goes against me thinking he’s a sabathia, santana ,halladay type.
It is not going to be Johnson. I’m personally hoping for Jurrjens.
Why would they ever trade him?
Eh, I’d pass. He’s one of the cheaper players on the Braves and they’ll want to keep him. Plus he’s only a marginal upgrade if at all and it wouldn’t be worth the prospects. Also, he’s not that great, I don’t like his strikeout rate. At all.
Seriously my Echofon goes off all day with the most random baseball hot stove news and now when something is actually going on it’s completely silent.
Who is it? wait a second…let just think here…wait a second.
They’re so trading for Jason Hirsh.
This made me want to watch this:
he was a bit wishy washy on him, huh
Somebody took that much time to watch that amount of Francesa then edit it together? That must have caused permanent damage
How about the yankees trade 6 prospects for Sammy Sosa
well played.
i wondwe what melido perez os up to these days
Eh… He’s a perfect fit for the Sox now that he’s white.
/inappropriate’d??
Ok – I’m taking a bottle of wine out to the hot tub. This deal better be named by the time I get back!!!!
that bottle of wine better be for drinking. no “my life as a dog” moments please
OK, 1/2 a bottle. I already sucked/blew/offed the 1st 1/2.
Melky Cabrera and Nick Swisher for Jair Jurjens and Tommy Hanson. DO IT CASH.
Sources say I’m close to acquiring a pizza. No idea on which one though. I’m told it’s not a salary dump so that eliminates Domino’s
Is it an elite pizza with 4 types of meat? or a back of the oven type with just cheese?
As soon as I obtain information, I’ll let you know. Sources say I will be “working very hard tonight on deal” for pizza though.
IETC
lmao
i lol’ed
I literally have like 12 different pages open, hitting refresh… Starting to hate myself.
I do too. It’s not worth the effort. There are NO updates and I think we’ve heard the last of it until tomorrow.
thinking youre right bob.
I wish I was wrong because I’m dying to know but it’s 11:30pm. Kinda late for any more updates. We can all just keep speculating with each other ’til the sun comes up.
Rod’s gonna be disappointed when he gets back from his hot tub.
I was hoping this was one of those moments, where you say something won’t happen, and then it instantly does.
I’m already disappointed. I can’t drag my butt away from the screen. )-:
Whoa. inverted smiley. My mind, it is blown.
Since we all think it’s a major trade for a cost controlled pitcher that doesn’t suck what about Ubaldo Jimenez?
I don’t know why COL would move him but since everyone has mentioned Verlander/Johnson/Grienke..etc I figured Id throw his name out there.
Is it appropriate to start crying? I am unsure on what else to do.
A name I haven’t seen mentioned is Kevin Millwood. Unlikely and not a big name, but a solid guy as a #4 or 5.
The Os just traded for him, I don’t he would be traded again.
don’t think***
ure way late, he was traded to baltimore 2 weeks ago
He just got traded to the Orioles. He’s not getting traded to the Yankees.
Thanks guys, you’re right. Have a newborn at home, forgot all about that trade.
All is forgiven.
traded to the O’s
Ha, take it FWIW but Johnson is not happy with Marlins after their offer to Chapman.
http://tinyurl.com/yb6shzp
Don’t know about this source though so meh.
eh, it really doesnt matter if hes mad or not, he’s under control for two more years. if marlins wanted him long term they would have worked out a deal, obviously they didnt wantt o make a 40m investiment in a pitcher, so he was going to be moved in july/offseason/july anyways
Hughes and Romine for Pavano, that would be a steal
I think the beat writers were just making things up because they have nothing to do. Writing: “I hear that the Yankees are looking for starting pitchers” is like speculating that you hear mike francessa will eat a massive sandwich at some point in the near future. feinsand is back to twitting (twatting?) about the giants game and his last yankees post essentially echoed what his first one said.
The O’s just acquired Millwood, it’s not him. I’m just about ready to throw in the towel, and check it out tomorrow. All this hype and build up for nothing. Sigh.
Likewise..I shall return in 2 hours….maybe sooner or later. Either way Im going back to celebrating my birthday. Later
like blue balls?
It’s times like these that I’m glad I don’t work til the late-afternoon and can stay up and track rumors like this.
It’s times like these that
I’m glad I don’t work til the late-afternoon and can stay up and track rumors like thisI wish I had a job so I couldn’t follow these rumors…I’m giving it to the end of the Giants game, and then I’m out.
From Feinsand: “Yankees mystery pitcher does not appear to be Carlos Zambrano. Cubs had not asked him to waive his no-trade as of tonight.”
http://twitter.com/BloggingBombers
That’s a relief. I’m truly hoping it’s not Zambrano.
that was reported by the post earlier today. feinsand is just bored. he’s normally reliable but he’s pulling a ken rosenthal on this one and recycling previously reported rumors
pat: I’m obviously quite happy about this performance, but it is the ‘Skins after all (sorry Drew) and I’m not gonna get all cocky and what not.
Cliff Lee
CARL PAVANO
Mike should go Donnie Brasco, infiltrate the Yanks hierarchy, and save us the fools game of waiting.
Zachary Greinke!
this is all really exciting but it will probably be a zach duke/paul maholm
Please, no Zambrano. That crazy bastard would probably burn down the new stadium down.
Seriously, I’m a bit way too excited by these rumors than I should be. I will laugh (and be kinda disappointed at the same time) if nothing comes out of all these rumors and speculation
Maybe by ‘Yankees,’ Olney and Rosenthal meant ‘Blue Jays.’
Mariners have reached tentative agreement to trade Brandon Morrow to Blue Jays for B. League and prospect.
http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal
League K’s Yankees like it’s his job (I guess it is), so good for yanks short-term. Morrow could still be a great pitcher, though.
League is something like Kyle Farnsworth, Jr.
Morrow seems to have huge upside – I like the deal for Toronto
No idea who the Yankees are going after.
Ted Lilly for Gardner or Melky is my final guess. Ted has one year left at $ 10 million before he goes free agent. Gardner or Melky is an extra part since I believe Yanks sign a cheaper FA…. someone like Mark DeRosa who can play LF.
I’m thinking I’ll go watch some LOST and then check back all this suspense is killing me.
I can’t wait for that show to come back. What episode are you going to watch?
Dude it’s fantastic. I’m in the middle of rewatching it before I get S5 for Christmas. About to watch “What Kate Did” from Season 2.
*crosses fingers for Josh Johnson*
Yeah, I’m gonna go play some MW-2.
been playing through this whole ordeal…makes it easier lol
Rosenthal gives up on trying to find out who the pitcher is and now breaks news Brandon Marrow is going to the Blue Jays.
cubs fans are actually talking and believing into a scenario where the yanks get Z and they get Cano. LMAO
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Almost as bad as some of the trades proposed on here lol.
Ken Rosenthal said SEA tradig Morrow to Jays for League and Prospect.
whoops got beat by Gio.
Great deal it seems, unless it’s a crazy good prospect.
Well, depends on the prospect really.
/covering my arse
Ken Rosenthal: Sources: Mariners have reached tentative agreement to trade Brandon Morrow to Blue Jays for B. League and prospect.
So that’s another idea off the table (though I doubt it was ever there anyway)
Dammit! Got beat by 4 people
well while we are waiting the jays just got better.
“The Blue Jays and Mariners reached a tentative agreement on a swap that would send Brandon Morrow to the Blue Jays for Brandon League and a prospect, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Presumably it’d take a solid prospect to balance out the deal.”
Brandon Morrow?
I like that trade for Toronto.
How can you like it before you know who the prospect is?
Morrow is a potential 1 or 2.
When you get a talent like that for a middle reliever and a prospect, whats not to like?
What if the starter the Yanks trade for is just some 6th starter/swingman guy? That would be hilarious. It doesn’t have to be a big name
Maybe Cashman is doing to Sheets/Duchscherer what he did with Damon, but the opposite… kind of. Leaking a rumor that they’re about to have their rotation set through a trade to motivate one of these guys to sign.
I’d be a lot happier with that than a lot of the names I can come up with on the trade market
Cashman having some fun with us…
Would be kind of funny if I stayed up late to find out that it is Dana Eveland
If we had the hitter to give to San Fran, I’d say its Matt Cain.
Unfortunately SF doesn’t have anywhere to really put Montero. Unless they switch him to 1B immediately.
Damn, Jays getting Morrow. Good for them.
Romero
Morrow
Marcum
Cecil
Drabek
Future looks pretty good.
Eh.. How many get hurt, how many fail, how many battle with anxiety(whattt???)? You never can guess what will happen with young pitchers.
Sure, there’s always that risk. However, all five of them have ace or #2 potential.
No doubt.
People are guessing plitchers like Johnson/Felix but if it’s a young gun slinger I think there is a better shot it’s Verlander the Tigers are rebuilding and if they could pry Hughes + Montero it would be smart for them to do.
I live in Michigan and all the Tigers fans I know envision him getting traded. Michigan really is in bad shape it might be smart to trade him before he makes big $$.
I’m not sure if they are in fully rebuild mode just yet.
I think they’d try to find a home for Miggy before they did a total firesale and dumped Verlander. He’s still young enough to make an impact with guys like Porcello
well…i give up.
Wow this has to be the sneakiest deals ever… so many reporters coming up empty…
If it was actually sneaky, we’d only hear about it when the guy flew to NY for his physical.
You criticize more than anyone I have ever seen.
It’s like an art-form.
ietcvm
Biting sarcasm is what passes for friendly conversation in my family.
No, itd be when he showed up at spring training.
How funny would that be, if like ted lilly just showed up with pitchers and catchers
My minds gonna explode from all the thinking and speculation of who the pitcher is , I FINALLY GIVE UP
To me, it has to be one of these pitchers..
1. Bronson Arroyo.
2. Roy Oswalt
3. Gil Mesche
4. Javy Vasquez
5. Matt Cain
Im gonna go with Arroyo, but I wouldnt be shocked if Owsalt is the one.. being Houston isnt going anywhere, and hes gettin older and wants a ring.
I think we could get any of these pitchers w/o Montero being in a package, or Joba or hughes.
Out of that group Cain is the most interesting then roy oswalt and everyone is i would not like to see on the yankees
else*
montero would have to play 1b due to Posey and that only works if Sandoval can move to 3b.
No to:
Arroyo
Meche
Oswalt
That Mesche cat sounds interesting. What is he, Russian?
The Astros think they’re contenders. So it’s not Oswalt. Arroyo would be a salary dump, so it’s not him (and if the Reds are eating cash to get someone good back…then Cashman is hurting the team because Arroyo is awful).
I’d take Meche, but I fgure he’d classify as a salary dump.
He hurt his shoulder last year, ehhh im a little weary on him
Perfectly valid.
Oswalt would be a great fit, he would love to play for a contender and is a great pitcher. Cain would probably command one of our big 3 prospects and the rest aren’t anything special.
no thanks to Oswalt
oop,s i mean Montero would have to be dealt for Cain..
Haha good thing I refreshed. I was just about to comment about that.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF VERLANDER, SAY YAY!!!!!!!!
Wouldn’t you package him with C grand if you were gonna do that?
YAY but dont see it happening.
ROFL Verlander.. are u on Crack? Detroit would NEVER deal him within the AL.
Who else is there who is on a team going no where? Josh Johnson?
on a team going no where? Zack Greinke
Use the reply button bro.
If i refresh MLBTR any more, im gonna break my f5 key.. At least the story moved up to #2, from #3 now.. soon to be #1 when we get the answer
never knew f5 refreshed. wow, this news might be more exciting then the actual pitcher we get.
wow, seriously, me neither. this will make RAB commenting quite a bit easier.
Could it be Lannan. The Nats got Marquis and could be looking to dump a pitcher.
Yep. They’re looking to dump their best pitcher after they picked up an innings eater.
/whozat’d
Nicely done Mikw. LMAO
true.
I’m a meme?
I pointed out you criticize all the time in an earlier comment, so I was just having some fun.
/meme’d
So whozat is not Milhouse?
Wont be Lannan… Washington has him under control and he doesnt make much, plus he would be shell shocked in the AL East… Its not gonna be from washington..
Has to be from one of
Atlanta
Florida
Kansas City
Detroit
Cincinatti
Houston
Cleveland
San Fransisco
I think those are the only “Sellers”
My man, there is a ‘Reply’ button you can use. It makes conversation easier to follow. Thanks.
/whozat’d ?????
i mean technically it wasn’t a criticism.
Amen, Mike.
sorry bro.
Actually im finding it easier to follow to just scroll down and read.. reply shifts it all to the right.. Looks fugly.
Oh look, box, in a box… in a box… Yup.. much easier to follow.. what the hell was in box 1 again?
Really? I think that’s what us ‘regulars’ really like about RAB. Conversation isn’t all over the place.
Funny, thats why after my post there are 30 new ones…
I love the internets.
I see what u mean tho.. much more organized. I am following.
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200...../#comments
+ a lot. Keep the convo’s organized. This isn’t Lohud.
why would people assume Houston is a seller when they just went out and spent big money on a bullpen with lyon traded for lindstrom and signed feliz?
Has Houston ever been a seller? They just continue to assemble mediocre or below average teams and act like they are in playoff contention every year.
exactly so bringing up oswalt is pretty pointless.
You have to wonder if its a possible 3 team deal.. I really feel Arroyo, Oswalt, or Josh Johnson.. Those are really the only “Big 3″ that I can see on the move from their respective club, that wouldnt cost us the Farm..
Out of them josh Johnson would cost the most, but Probably not Montero. Florida would want Young ML ready talent tho, that is under team control for a number of years (Hughes)
I welcome the discussion, but you’re so far out there it’s almost not even worth it man.
That being said, I’ll shut up if any of that shit comes true.
Roy Oswalt hates Alex Rodriguez, I don’t think he’ll come here. Arroyo probably makes too much and Johnson will be too expensive in prospects.
Did Arod have his way with Roy Oswalt’s wife? That little pimpsqueek can stay on that losing ball club forever. AROD = TEH WIN!
Arroyo is a salary dump.
I don’t want to see Montero traded. The kid has too much upside at a position of need for us in the next couple of years. Keep him.
All this hype, and it’s going to wind up being a depth starting type pitcher.
I think it’s Duscherer. No way it’s Josh Johnson, they’ll want the farm and a few cows for him.
ITS A TRADE !!!
SUPPOSED TRADE*/ SPECULATED TRADE
Duscherer i dont think is a major thing tho, coming off injury… This news seems to be Highly Tight lipped.. if it was ducherer there would have been feelers leaked out by now. like how they found out there not in on Sheets.
it was clearly said it was a TRADE not a SIGNING.
Pretty sure the phrasing was “deal”, which could include a signing.
Update (9:51pm): Kenny Rosenthal echoes Olney’s report, adding that it is in fact a trade.
Update (9:50pm): Ken Davidoff hears the Yanks have (are in?) “two or three” serious trade discussions for a starter, though none for Harang.
Fair enough.
wasn’t trying to be a dick bro, hope you didn’t take it as such. if you did, i apologize.
Fair enough = I was wrong, thanks for pointing it out.
No worries.
Melky and Joba for Carlos Zambrano?
Ewww.. That trade would smell like the Bronx Terminal Market.. aint happenin..
I know the cubs want Melky or Brett G tho..
already shot down
it says its NOT zambrano. reading is fundamental.
seeing as we don’t need an ace unless someone is donating one to the Yankees, I will be pissed if we give Joba/Hughes/Montero
thats what im sayin.. It has to be a Low Pay, High Reward/Price pitcher… If its not a salary dump, its not Lowe.. That leaves only a select few, who make bucks, and would come cheaper..
Arroyo, oswalt just pop in mind.
Besides Francesa has been pushing for Arroyo for 3 years now.
If Cashman listened to Francesa, Nate McLouth would’ve been a Yankee years ago. And the team would be awful.
The fact that Francesa has been pushing Arroyo should not increase your confidence in that possibility.
Besides, as multiple people have pointed out, it was reported this is not a “salary dump”, basically eliminating Arroyo from any discussion.
Seriously. Francessa also pimped Barry Zito endlessly for years and years and years, even though he was obviously already into a 4 or 5 year steady decline. He’s a moron. I want nothing to do with Arroyo.
No way it’s Arroyo, because if it is I’m gonna have to ask Santa for a new laptop, because this one will be flying across the room.
Dont sell Bronson short.. Look at his numbers past few seasons.. 15 Wins on a team that won 77… 240 innings.. Durable.. and Way better then Gaudin/Mitre remember.. Were not lookin for a #1, or a #2.. but a #3 or 4.
Arroyo is a #7
LOLz
Arroyo 2009: 220.1 IP, 3.84 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 112 ERA+, 127 SO
I’m not an Arroyo fan, and I’m not saying I think he’d replicate those numbers in the AL East, but he’s not a #7. Those are solid, middle of the rotation, numbers.
http://twitter.com/BloggingBombers
He puts josh Johnson and the Yankees in the same sentence and then crushes my dreams
It really can’t be Meche either even though the Royals have inquired about Gardner.
Meche is due 24M over the next 2 years. I can’t see Cashman doing that.
Yepp and that would be a salary dump unless they include Soria.
/jizzes in pants
Yes but remember Cashman did say he “Had enough for 1 big aquision”, hence why people thought they may step in teh Bay/Holliday sweepstakes… So he can easily take on a 2-3 year deal at 30MM.
By the way Oswalt has 2 years (Option in 2012) about 35MM? Left.. I wonder..
Speaking of pitchers (although off topic which I usually don’t do, but I’m getting antsy with no news on this rumor) Peter Gammons had a great quote about a Yankee pitcher in an SI.com interview:
“SI.com: Is there a particular player that you would really like to write an in-depth feature on?
Gammons: I’d have to wait till the offseason but what I’d really like to do is go to Panama with Mariano Rivera. I think he is the most distinguished man that I’ve ever covered. He is the man I consider to be the MVP and Cy Young of the last 15 years. I would love to know more about where he comes from and how he has maintained that incredible balance.”
The link is:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
First thing to factor in: The powers that be have stated a preference for ‘getting younger’
Second item: The Marlins said they’re not trading Johnson before opening day.
Third point: Someone produced a list of teams with whom the Yankees may be dealing. Wouldn’t it be smart to work backwards. Let’s take Houston. What do they need? If we know they need an outfielder and a pitching prospect then, we might figure we have Cabrera / Swisher and Joba / Hughes / Nova / McAllister as likely targets. So, would Cabrera and Joba net Wandy Rodriguez?
I don’t know if this is the way you prefer to do this kind of thing but, it seems a bit more realistic to me than just guessing.
Why in the hell would we want Wandy Rodriguez.. The yankees don’t deal small.. its Oswalt or bust..
There is also Brandon Webb coming off injury, but i HIGHLY douct that one.
Wandy 2009: 205.2 IP, 3.02 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 139 ERA+, 193 SO
Oswalt 2009: 181.1 IP, 4.12 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 102 ERA+, 138 SO
Oswalt is not an ace anymore. Rodriguez was better and healthier in 2009. I’m not saying I want either, but don’t make it to seems as if Oswalt is still the pitcher he was 3 or 4 years ago.
Why in the hell would we want Wandy Rodriguez.. The yankees don’t deal small.. its Oswalt or bust..
There is also Brandon Webb coming off injury, but i HIGHLY douct that one.
Baseball fans know Wandy Rodriguez is not a small pick up.
Wandy was dominant this season. 3.02 era. 8.45 k/9.
Just gonna throw another name out there…
Aroldis Chapman? I know its not a trade, but keep him in the back of your mind..
Discuss.
It’s not like it hasn’t been discussed here before. It’s near the top of most people’s wish list.
That thought crossed my mind, as well. But, I believe we would have heard more about a bidding war prior to the Yankees scooping him up.
Never heard of guy. Do you have link where I could find more about him????
Well done, JMK.
Spillover 3? WTF. I want names son!
Spillover 2*
http://twitter.com/BloggingBombers
There He goes again
Who would you be most upset about if they get traded?
Joba/Hughes/Montero
I will start off with a vote for Montero
Montero
Hughes.. he has gone thru ALOT just to be where hes at. Followed by Joba who loves NYC.. Montero never has been up so he doesnt know any better.
Sorry misread, thought u asked how THEY would feel.
Montero,Joba,Hughes in that order.
Agreed. Joba over Hughes because he has no innings limit this year and I still believe he has better stuff. Funny how alot of the baseball analyst are fooled by Hughes “resurgence” in the bullpen and now instantly feel Hughes > Joba only for that reason.
You’ve got that backwards. Hughes was long considered the better prospect to Joba. Funny how his time in the bullpen in 2007 changed that. I’d still take Hughes over Joba. Joba was NOT good in the rotation last season. I’m not saying I’m ready to give up on him, and I certainly don’t want to just give him away, but you have to give value to get value. In the right deal I’d part with anyone, but out of Joba/Hughes/Montero, Joba would be the least painful give in my opinion.
I disagree, joba has the better stuff and higher potential. You are right in that Hughes was the better prospect, but that was until joba blazed through the minors with great numbers and a high 90s fastball deep in games. I think if you were to evaluate them purely on stuff (when they both had their best), joba comes out ahead. Too bad he’s probably also a headcase…
All depends on the return my man.
Hughes, Montero, then Joba
Mo should be up for one of those 30 in 30 documentaries that ESPN has done. Have to say the one on the U football was great.
Did they cover the 7th floor crew in that documentary?
cliff lee?
Wont happen.. the Mariners are going for it this year, Lee is a FA after the year i think.
maybe it is sheets then.. i fear he may be the second coming of carl pavano though
There will be no second coming of pavano
its a trade.. Sheets is a FA.. Its not sheets..
Brad Penny.
Trade someone like Miranda for him and flip him at the deadline for a Justin Smoak type bat.
he just signed a fat contract with SF he’s not going anywhere
i meant STL
…
Smoak type bat
Penny was awful for the Red Sox and I think just signed like a 1-year deal for around $9 million. It’s not him. Plus, no one would ever give you a Justin Smoak type bat for Penny. Not even close.
It’s an RAB joke. ZZ is not being even remotely serious.
Thanks. I was waiting for someone to jump there…
I got your back.
Ah, well that makes more sense. I thought most of his other posts I had read seemed pretty rational, was wondering where that one came from, haha.
For your enjoyment:
“Brad Penny would probably be the best starting pitcher out there, but unless someone comes up with a Justin Smoak, Matt LaPorta or Brett Wallace — which isn’t going to happen — they are going to hold onto Penny, who is two years removed from finishing third in the NL Cy Young race.”
-Peter Gammons
Did that really just happen?
We need Spillover thread #2!
Spillover for the Spillover.. Were into buckets now..
hughes + robertson for a borderline #2 starter?
Man, I’d give up anyone in the right deal, but both of those guys would hurt to lose. Robertson really started to come into his own last year, he’s filthy.
I’m thinking it could be Billingsley.
No, LAD loves Billingsley, and they would ask for the Moon…
Think a team that is NOT in contention, willing to dump a pitcher that would be No worse then a #2 on a bad team.. That is what were lookin at…
Someone who wont cost us 2 of the big 3.
Dodgers already lost Wolf to FA though, and haven’t been active at all in FA this year because of their owner’s pending divorce. I’m not sure why they’d deal a really good young, relatively cheap SP, or who they would replace him with.
for?
Joba, Melky, Cano for Billingsley, Kemp, elbert?
that sucks
think the angels would trade weaver?
Nope, not after all the LA losses via FA.. they need someone for them to cheer about..
I think they Would deal Kazmir tho..
their front office would be persecuted if they didnt bring back a substantial package
Everyone… say it with me… BARRY ZITO /2002
Id rather have my ass bleached with Toxic Waste then trade for Zito.
i wish i could unread that and/or rescind my salary
wow… comment not salary… i really need sleep or i really hate my job
Yeah if the Giants pay 2002% of his salary
But srsly, Liriano?
Doubt it.. hasnt been nearly the same since his shoulder/elbow injury..
I doubt it, but that’d be awesome
He just isn’t the same guy since TJ. I think his nasty slider ruined his elbow and career.
Isn’t the best guess that the Yanks trade to the Cubs? After the Granderson trade there was talk they’d be interested in Gardner, but now that they’ve moved Parker Bros. over to Seattle, that interest is probably heightened. Considering it won’t be Big Z, aren’t the odds best that it’ll be Lilly – who wanted to sign with the Yanks in 07 anyway? We get him for one year, he misses the first month or two of the season and takes over for Hughes when he gets to the inning limit. Plus, his contract is up next year, leaving us ready for the big offseason.
The question is who it would cost in addition to Gardner. Obviously Phil or Joba would be too much for less than a full healthy year of Lilly, as would Jesus. Who could be added?
If not ChiC, the next club interested in Gardner was KC, and I guess Bannister would be the best pick up for the Yanks.
Lilly is an excellent thought.. I overlooked him and i think he would Love to come bakc to NYY.. Has pitched very well in the AL East too..
VERY interesting cdg.. Good job.
only been said 10 other times. it was said wont be a salary dump and lilly for 12 mil a year is one.
It’s not a salary dump if Lilly is actually worth $12MM, which last year he was. The Cubs have a plethora of SP and are 1 of maybe 2 or 3 teams that are interested in Melky/Gardner.
After the AJax trade I, for one, would be really surprised if we move anyone from our now semi-depleted farm. Dealing from a (relative) surplus in the OF makes the most sense. The Cubs are the most obvious match up. If not Lilly, who would it be?
I don’t think Cashman’s looking to change the core of the future in moving Joba or Hughes. And all the cheap, blockbuster alternatives you’re all looking at include Josh Johnson, Jurrgens, Cain, etc. All cheap, team controlled, productive SPs out there are going to cost us more than Melky or Gardner.
Lee isn’t traded for Halladay every week.
Lee’s never been traded for Halladay.
/just sayin
Also, is lilly on the DL?
Im gonna throw out another odd one..
John Maine? Perhaps Inter NY Trade? Or god i hope not Ollie Perez.
Don’t insult teh Cash.
Perez is not an insult to cash.. he is a low cost (prospect wise) high reward guy.. Say the Mets take 50% of his salary and get a Gaudin/Mitre + Prospect in return..
There pretty desperate over there in flushing.
If perez ever honed hs skill, and learned to throw strikes, he would be an allstar every year.. hes that talented.. but a head case like wow.
Wait, so you say “god i hope not Ollie Perez.” Then explain why he’s attractive? Me no understand.
This big chipotle cheesteak sandwich from Subway restaurants is sooo big.
It is this trade big.
Playing you don’t know who big.
playing you dont know whoo big
my man. haha
LOL wow
gavin floyd?
john danks?
We’d be giving up some serious talent to land him. I don;t see it.
It is Kenny Williams we’re talking about here, though.
lannan from the nats? they just picked up marquis, strasburg, and bruney– they may be looking to unload another arm for a spare outfielder
The nats will not unload any of their young talent that is worth anything.. They are building a team, not looking to shed right now. Lannan woulnt be big enough news for the Yankees anyway.
i suppose, although i would be pretty stoked for lannan for melky or gardner/miranda
Fuck John Lannan, kid is a douche.
What about John Danks or Gavin Floyd?
I cant see the White Sox selling them.. They have a decent 1-2-3 with Buehrle in there.. Good thought tho.
and u left out peavy.
danks would be more likely since he didnt do the extension. floyd did a 4/15.5 last year.
I’m not a believer in Floyd, but Danks would be awesome. That said, Kenny Williams seems to be OK with spending some $ on good players, so I doubt Danks is going anywhere unless he absolutely believes he can’t get him resigned.
Mike and I beat you to the punch buddy
chris young, brandon mccarthy, or ubaldo?
I was thinking about Chris Yonng, but coming off injury and the news would be more Ho-Hum, and totally unproven in the AL.
ubaldo is 100 times better than the other 2.
But, are Chris Young or Brandon McCarthy really any better than Joba or Hughes at this point? I say no, and don’t think the Rox would move Ubaldo yet.
You’re right… theyre definitely not better than Hughes/Joba but again solid as injury/in case of struggling Joba/Phil fallbacks
and ubaldo was a pipe dream more than anything else.. and a little bit of which one of these is not like the others.. he’s not really a media name tho but a potential deal would be blockbuster in terms of impact
I agree, Ubaldo is definitely a very good young SP. I was just thinking that if it’s a really good young starter we’re talking about, it’s more than likely going to come from a team that is really hurting for money, or notoriously stingy in spending it. A team like the Marlins fits that bill, thus names like Johnson and Nolasco make some sense, even though they would likely command quite a package in return, particularly Johnson. Even Verlander I don’t think is completely out of the question as the Detroit is getting killed even worse than the rest of the country by the depression. The Rockies don’t have the same history of trading guys away as the reach/near arbitration eligibility like that, that’s all I was saying.
Is Cashmoneez sleeping or pulling ninja type moves? Find out at 1 on your local news.
We haven’t had a solid update in over an hour. I don’t think we will find out tonight.
Isn’t Gavin Floyd a hold ‘em player?
Someone call John Haymen and get him to find out..
If that doesn’t work, then call Jon Heyman.
The more I think about it the more it feels like Vazquez, with an outside chance of Lilly (who is not a salary dump).
But my guess is Vasquez, with Melky heading to Atlanta along with a back up middle infielder and a minor league arm.
I do like the shout of Oswalt though, for the right package Houston could finally be tempted.
Oswalt is trending in the wrong direction. I’m not interested at the price his name would likely command.
But you dont know the price.. Remember Houston is cash strapped, McLain was rumored to almost sell the team (or take offers).. Oswalt is a team guy, and may accept a trade to get that shot at a ring, and houston while we would have to give up one of the big 3, i could see a Hughes + 2 prospects for Oswalt, with the Yankees taking his 2 years 36MM.
hughes>oswalt
While i Love P Hughes, he (right now) is no where near Oswalt.. a 2 time all star and almost NL CY a few times.
I hear you regarding Hughes and Oswalt, but you also have to factor in cost and future potential, not just past results. Hughes is still just 23, extremely highly regarded, and looked to come into his own last year. Oswalt is 32, has a ton of innings on his arm, and is on a 4-year downward trend. I didn’t say he was trash, I just said his name value will probably make the cost of acquiring him prohibitive. With salary factored in, I would not give up Hughes+ for him right now.
Montero+ for Josh Johnson
It feels like its gonna be a big deal or a bust.
What do you think about Jason Hirsh?
That’s the buddy sittin next to you.
Guys, all the names you’re dropping make sense for US but not for the other teams. What do we have that would make anyone trade us a young, high ceiling, team controlled pitcher like Ubaldo, Danks, or JJ? Those guys would at least cost a Hughes or a Joba, which is a lateral move at that point.
Start backwards – what do we have that anyone wants? It’s gotta be Melky or Gardner. And who wants them? The Cubs, KC, and maybe Atlanta. Now put together trades. I still think Lilly’s the best bet, followed by Bannister.
Just because someone’s salary is high (Lilly) doesn’t mean it’s a salary dump. And don’t forget he’s coming off of a minor shoulder surgery, so the Cubs probably wouldn’t mind moving him. Worst case scenario, he misses half a season (he won’t), he’ll still be back in time when Phil runs up against his IP limit.
…Lilly just had shoulder surgery.
eh, formatting FAIL. just should be bold.
anyone that won’t be ready for ST is nuts imo.
LHP Ted Lilly might not be ready until May 1, according to Piniella. Lilly underwent surgery this fall to clean up his shoulder. The Cubs say they hope Lilly can be ready to pitch sometime in April, but they will be cautious with the cold weather, and Piniella said at the winter meetings that May 1 is the more likely date.
http://cubs.scout.com/2/929766.html
Yeah, I mentioned that.
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/ne.....8;c_id=chc
“Typically, recovery time for a procedure such as this would place Lilly’s return to the Cubs rotation sometime in April.”
Even in a worst case scenario, he’d be coming back in time to spell Hughes.
Why would the Cubs entertain moving a guy who gave them a 3.10 ERA over 177 IP unless there was a slight question mark?
at 12 million + a trade piece?
May as well sign Sheets for 9 mil.
Yeah… that’s what I was thinking too.
It seems like they’d be banking off of “more of a sure thing for a little more money” rather than “higher upside, greater risk, but slightly cheaper.”
It’s the kind of move that you make when you win the division by 8. You don’t NEED to make the gambling plays, just the smart ones.
But I would agree that Lilly’s a slight gamble for next season anyway.
I agree with your reasoning. Who do we have that other teams are interested in?… What do we have to offer them and what do they have to offer us?
The things is, the only thing we know(?) is that we’re looking at a starting pitcher. It’s all crazy speculation at this point.
Name someone so someone else can shoot it down real quick.
Looks like we’re going to be waiting a few more hours on this one.
*13 mil
True, but if this isnt just media blowhards spittin chunks then methinks its likely to be a Beckett to the BoSox kind of deal and likely something that would involve moving 2/3 of Hughes/Joba/Montero… if it’s for a JJ/Ubaldo/Danks (in that order), I think that’s not such a far fetched possibility…. clearly if they were willing to do it for Halladay, Cash would pull the trigger on one of those guys and see if he can find some way to work in some valuable filler to make it work for both sides…
If you were Cash, coming off a 103-win WS championship season, where you’ve admitted you’re only tinkering in the offseason until next year’s big splash, would you move any 2 of those players for any one of the options you listed?
Short of JJ, I don’t think I’d do a straight up between any of them (though it might be close). Now, there are rumors that JJ is so pissed about the deal the Fish offered Alrodis that he demanded a trade, but I still don’t think we’re the team that needs to make the splash.
Keep the core youth together, patch our minor holes, and get ready for the shopping spree next winter.
I love Hughes as much as the next guy, and can’t wait to see what Montero can do. But there’s no way you can say giving one of those guys, still various degrees of unproven, is a lateral move in a deal for Josh Johnson. The guy is a stud.
I agree. I just don’t see why’d they’d move him unless he’s serious about the Chapman thing. It could make sense, but at the same time I think we’re just Yankee fans at 1am trying to think of the best possible deal.
Don’t forget there were warning signs a month before the Grandy trade we were in on him. Well, there have been warning signs since then that ChiC and KC are in on Gardner/Melky.
I’m just saying when you hear hooves think horses, not zebras. But yeah, I’d LOVE getting JJ, and I’d give up Phranchise for him.
I agree CDG, we’re probably just pipe-dreaming with a lot of these names. But keep in mind the Marlins have a history of trading away players once they reach arbitration eligibility because they don’t like to pay them. I think Johnson is still a year away from that point, but if they would trade him a year from now, I can’t believe that they wouldn’t consider it this year for the right package, regardless of what they say publicly. If Johnson really is demanding a trade, that just may speed up the process. Florida would demand a heavy price for him, I’m sure, but it’s definitely conceivable that they would trade him, and I think the Yankees definitely have the chips if they chose to play them.
I agree, and on the plus-side, he’s the only SP who wouldn’t push us over the soft salary-cap of the ones we’re currently discussing.
My best guesses are:
1.Lilly (and the trade is dragging because we’re seeing if they’ll swallow some salary).
2.JJ (and the trade is dragging/surrounded in mystery because it’s a legit blockbuster).
3.Vazquez (trade dragging because we’re haggling, he’s probably worth more than Swish alone)
and
4.Bannister
In that order.
There is also Tim Hudson, coming off injury.
Why all the Brian Bannister speculation? I know the Royals expressed some interest in Gardner, but Bannister is not any better than Hughes or Joba, and arguably no better than Gaudin.
Bannister’s young, got great upside but middling results so far. Of the SP in KC, he’s the only one that we could get for Gardner + someone not named Phil/Joba/Jesus, and that we’d want to target.
It would make sense as another smart building for the future, deal from excess move.
But Bannister doesnt make sense from a PR standpoint.. This is a move to counter Lackey, so it has to be someone of substance.. Not someone who has a 5-15 record on his resume…
I hope it’s not a move to counter Lackey.
We just need pitching, not to counter Lackey. I count 4.5 SP for next season: CC, AJ, Pettitte, Joba, and Phil (0.5), with Gaudin and Mitre in case of emergency. We need one more pitcher, and he doesn’t have to be #1/#2 material.
I agree he wouldn’t take much to acquire, but I’d rather hang onto Gardner for OF depth than acquire another guy who’s upside in the best case scenario is probably no greater than a #4 or #5 starter in the AL. Bannister’s a smart pitcher with solid control, but his stuff has always been decidedly mediocre. Right-handed starters who can’t touch 90 on the radar gun don’t have much history of success in the AL East.
Good catch. I thought I remembered from fantasy that he was hyped for having “breakout ability,” but it was really that he was just a really smart player. I mean, maybe he’s an IPK 2.0.
But yeah, the more I think of it, the less likely it seems.
Why do you say Bannister has great upside? He has mediocre stuff and has arguably maxed out his talent.
Anyone who thinks that Atlanta is giving up Vasquez for Melky I have a bridge to sell you. There is one guy that Atlanta has been in love with for years and fits their plans and that’s Swisher.
Possible trade w/ Swish and re-sign Damon? I think swish is too important in the clubhouse..
Production>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Clubhouse attitude
Last i checked Swish hit 28HR, is younger, can actually THROW the ball, and is a god obp guy.
“I think swish is too important in the clubhouse..”
Again:
Production>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Clubhouse attitude
You mention his stats when I refer to you calling him a good clubhouse guy.
It’s nice to have good character guys but if he’s a dick and hits 270/280/510 we all love him.
lol the middle triple slash is suppose to be 380
I don’t know maybe they have a deal with Holliday or something. But I do know that they are not going to give up a 15 game winner with an era under 3 for Melky and a back -up infielder. The Braves are looking for a big bat.
One last thing, I know a Harang trade has been killed, but I would LOVE it if the Yanks got him.
He was one of the most undervalued pitchers in all of baseball, up until 2 years ago when Dusty broke him. By the end of the season he was regaining prior form. This past season was terrible for him in terms of win-loss, but if you look at his peripherals, he’s still the same pitcher.
I know I’m pretty alone in this train of thought, I just thought I’d voice it.
I used to be a huge Harang fan. He fell off a bit and I jumped off the band wagon. For the right priced, I’d like to give him a shot.
never a fan of guys that are more H then IP, and contact pitchers.. but i think he would be a good fit.. I think Arroyo is better..
Last 2 years..
Harang 12-31 4.50, 340ip 386H.
Arroyo 30-24 4.55, 420IP, 430H.
Did you look at the stats before the past two years, like I mentioned?
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....harangutan
There’s a recap of his recent struggles. I’d say he’s worth a gamble, because if he becomes Harang ’07, he’d arguably be one of the top 10 pitchers in the game.
Dude’s a beast. He’s a Haragutan.
Harang>>>>>>>>>Arroyo
imo of course.
Agreed.
If it wouldn’t take anything more than a B prospect or two and taking on his salary, then I’m all for getting Harang and putting him at the back of the rotation. I don’t think it’s a bad idea at all. I just think we’ve been kicking around all these other names because Rosenthal said it wasn’t Harang and others have said it’s not a salary dump deal.
why do people keep saying to trade swish…smh
the guy gave us 29 hrs , 82 rbi , and an era or 0.00
I agree Swisher is underrated by a large portion of the fan base. But I think the point is Javy had amazing results last year and, if he’s available, (1) the Braves want Swish and (2) his value is better than Melky’s or Gardner’s, so the trade would be easier with him.
No one wants to give up Swish due to negative performance. Many people, I for one, would consider trading him because he is a commodity. We would have the leverage, it’s not about trading him for some salary dump/old/beatdown starter. It’s about trading him for someone who could help us win 28,29,30.
If a sick deal isn’t to be had, then keep him. Considering his ridiculous home/away splits I’d say he’s due for an even better 2010.
Because of what you just said he produces and has a contract that the lower market teams can handled. In order to get you have to give.
how about this possibility? Marlins trade Uggla and Josh Johnson to the Braves for prospects. We trade Swisher and prospects to the Braves for Josh Johnson.
A lot of people have been saying they wouldn’t want Javy from ATL but I would love to get him. I know he was already a Yankee and he dissapointed some people + he has always been a little homer prone and YS111 wouldn’t help that.
The positives are though he was one of the most valuable pitchers in the NL last year and throws filth. If we got him he probaly would unseat A.J. as our #2.
Javy isn’t Lowe and if we could get him without giving up one of the big three we should.
Dude, you stole my handle!
call your handler!
It changed it for ya. Even though they were technically different.
come on cash.. garbrera for prospects and trade for a corner outfielder of your pence to bruce to hamilton variety (or sign mattyH)
CC, AJ, AP, Jober, Phranchise is gold. Gaudin, Mitre, McAllister, Nova, Ace, Garcia, Wang?? is plenty insurance
Tom Grzelanny from the cubs+ a prospect for Brett Gardner. Great FIP last year a nd had a really good year in 07.
I’m going to say Chad Billingsly as well. I believe the Dodgers were talking trades with him involved at the deadline last year, so maybe he’s available. I’m not sure who we’d give up though. Maybe make it a blockbuster with Cano and Kemp involved or something.
F a trade. We got Mike Rivera son!
Here are my latest guesses lol.
1. Cain for Cano and McCallister
3. Lilly for Melky and Nova
I meant
1. Cain for Cano and McCallister
2. Lilly for Melky and Nova
3. Gil Meche for Nova and Russo
Matt Cain has been a steady 3.5-4.0 WAR guy , Robinson Cano (barring 08) has been a 3.5-5.0 WAR guy who’s shown more flucation, but given this, and everything else involved. I don’t see now why anyone in their right minds would want to trade Cano for Cain unless they have some super prospect pushing 2B (which they don’t)
If it is Cain then we sign Hudson to play second.
I’ll tell you right now that if it’s a “big” trade it’ll be a guy who’s about to enter free agency (Webb, Lilly). But I’m feeling like it’s gonna be more like a trade for a Ubaldo Jimenez, Aaron Harang, John Danks or Mark Buehrle.
Forget I said Lilly entering free agency. Had a brain fart.
Don’t worry, I’m just having an argument with myself at almost 2am my time. Lilly IS in fact a free agent after this year. He’s back on my radar for sure now.
I don’t see NY trading for someone like Lilly who will start the year on the DL. They would probaly just sign Sheets who didn’t pitch last year but at least he doesn’t have a injury that will make missing time a no doubter. Lilly also makes 12 mill I don’t see the Yanks trading for someone making that much.
That’s why personally I feel we are talking a big name because I think it’s a cost controlled young stud that’s just about to get paid and the other club wants to move him before that happens.
On Ken Rosenthal + Morosi’s blog it says a deal could be done by Tuesday and still nobody knows who is in invovled? This is really weird I can’t imagine this is some pitcher like Zach Duke for this to be so secretive it must be big and that scares me.
I wonder what Gardner or Cabrera + McAllister, Nova, Russo, Miranda could get the Yankees?
Let’s throw out another name: Dan Haren
I wonder if we could acquire him for a package of players that makes sense for us.
He would cost a lot in terms of players and I think that ARZ is trying to win the West in ’10 that’s why they gave up Sherzer for Jackson + Kennedy. So it really doesn’t make sense from that POV but if this deal is for a big name pitcher Haren is a possibilty.
No one is untouchable so if Cashman made him a offer that made ARZ better he could be the guy but I think Josh Johnson is even more likely then Haren.
He would cost a lot in terms of players and I think that ARZ is trying to win the West in ’10 that’s why they gave up Sherzer for Jackson + Kennedy. So it really doesn’t make sense from that POV but if this deal is for a big name pitcher Haren is a possibilty.
No one is untouchable so if Cashman made ARZ a offer that made ARZ better he could be the guy but I think Josh Johnson is even more likely then Haren.
Hey gramps, you’re repeating yourself.
I’ll admit though I found you more convincing the second time.
If its Johnson, I think you say bye bye to Joba + someone like Nova or McAllister.
5 Reasons why I think it’s Josh Johnson
1.)The Marlins don’t have much confidence in being able to work out an extension. Johnson’s agent even went as far to say he wouldn’t be in Florida beyond next season.
2.)One of Cashman’s goals for the offseason was to get younger. He’s already proved this by acquiring Granderson and N. Johnson. By virtually showing no interest in Lackey, but never losing sight of adding another SP, I think he was thinking youth.
3.)Josh Johnson fits perfectly into Cashman’s ideal mold of a SP. A rocket arm, and strikeout machine.
4.)A willingness to part with Joba or Hughes…but only for a young ace. As you all know, he wasn’t ready to part with either of them for Halladay. When Toronto demanded one of them, talks of a potential trade went out the window.
5.)None of the following fit the clues of what Olney/Heyman/Rosenthal/Feinsand have given us.
-Lowe
-Vazquez
-Harang
-Arroyo
-Zambrano
-Meche
-Bannister
I don’t know if Florida would want to trade Johnson now or not but all your points about Cashman are right on. I don’t expect Cashman to trade for a veteran guy in his 30′s whoever Cash is working on has to be someone young based on the way he is operating theses days. Also keep in mind there is a firm budget this is why I can’t believe it’s Lilly/Lowe or anyone like that Johnson isn’t going to make a lot until the Yanks would have to resign him a couple years from now.
So I agree Johnson would not shock me because I could see Cash going all in for him and in a way it makes sense for Florida because Johnson and his ageant have already said that he’s not going to resign. The only thing that doesn’t make sense from a Florida POV would be if they belive they can contend if that were the case they should wait till July and then see where they stand.
Vazquez fits the clues.
Wow. I went to sleep last night disappointed that there wasn’t anything big, and when I wake up the two threads have already combined for about a thousand comments, and most of us still have no clue! Yankee fans FTW.
I think the fear of Cash going for a vet is unfounded; I mean, again, the refusal to trade for Halladay earlier this season (earlier this offseason, if you will!) more than reaffirms this. If he didn’t do it for arguably the best pitcher in the game, why do it now?
So if it’s going to be a big deal, then yes, perhaps its for a young stud that still has years of team control left/is open to an extension. That is the kind of trade that would make sense, seeing as how it, at least to me, is the most efficient use of prospects, combined with the use of our main organizational strength, money (i.e., signing said stud to an extension).
On these merits alone Josh Johnson looks like a possibility (I never believed that the Rangers offered Smoak/Feliz for him), but, as has been said over and over again, all we can really do is speculate, eh?
I’m just glad I wasn’t awake when this first broke out. I would’ve constantly clicked refresh on my RSS feeds to see if MLBTR/ESPN/SI/every sports site for updates.
You had the same reaction I did. Wow. Although, I’m glad I missed it, as I’d be pulling my hair out by now trying to figure out who it is. And I don’t have enough hair left as it is.
every sports site on there*
Going on some of these comments about it being Josh Johnson, they may not be far off. The Marlins were at $35.5M last year. Hanley’s salary goes up $1.5M, Uggla is in his 2nd yr of arb. and will go up from his $5.4M salary in 2009. Nolasco just got a $1.4M raise from 2009. Johnson in his 2nd yr of arb and per mlbtr:
Failing a long-term deal, the Marlins still need to hammer out a 2010 salary for Johnson as he enters his second arbitration year. Sticking with Greinke, he earned only $3.75MM in what would’ve been his second arb year. Cole Hamels will get $6.65MM. Scott Kazmir earned $6MM. Joe Blanton, who’s been going year-to-year, earned $5.475MM. It will be interesting to see where Johnson lands; as a young ace in his second arb year he’s in the same boat as Justin Verlander and Felix Hernandez.
My guess would be it’s closer to what Hamels and Kaz got. I mean if Blanton got $5.5, I think Johnson could as well. That’s a good amount of $ ties up for a team that doesn’t like to spend a lot and is known to deal away players before they get too expensive. I think they’d be want a deal to be centered around Joba or Hughes since they cost less but if they start asking for Montero as well, I’d pass.
Any chance of it being Johnson without including Montero? Obviously led by Joba or Hughes, maybe a catching prospect, a Nova/Mccalister type and some filler?
if you were the Marlins would you make that deal?
If I’m the Marlins I just pay Johnson. They won’t. If they have to move him because they are cheap, they take the best offer on the table. That could be it, who knows.
They have 2 years to deal him, if the best package now is Joba/Hughes + B/C prospects thats not getting it done.
Marlins are a smart franchise when it comes to trades, they’re not Kenny Williams or Moore
As per MLBTR, it’s not Duke or Maholm.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....tcher.html
Apparently they are after Vazquez.
more speculation from olney:
http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN
(for those wanting a sneak peak, he mention josh johnson)
8:17am: Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that the Yankees are working to re-acquire Javier Vazquez.
BINGO !!!!!
The Johnson thing was a pipe dream and i hate to say it but I think the Swisher is going bye bye
It’s more likely than Johnson, but always consider the source. Nothing in stone yet.
It’s more likely than Johnson, but always consider the source. Nothing in stone yet.
Swisher is going nowhere.
I also have serious doubts the target is Vazquez. 33 years old and $11.5M? That does not fit the MO.
whats wrong with a good starter who always makes his start on a 1 year deal for 11.5m to be your 3/4 starter?
Very little–if he’s under contract to you.
Being under contract to the Braves is a problem.
well obviously the price tag of players going there is an issue; it wont be Joba/Hughes/Jesus, anyone else i’m fine with; i dont want to lose Swish but we’ll see when mor details come out
If Swish is in the deal, its a bad deal. Javy might be more valuable, but Swish is very valuable, too, has a better contract situation, and at this point of the off-season, seems irreplaceable.
If it’s Melky and minor leaguers not named Montero, then it’s a very nice move.
Javy Vazquez as your #4 starter? i like it.
offer him arbitration next year, if he accepts you get your #3 starter on a 1 yr deal, if he denies you get draft picks.
For the life of me I just cant see the need to trade Swisher. He was such a big part of the club last year. I wouldnt do it especially for Javy Vasquez at 11.5 mil. I’d rather give that to Sheets and not have to give anything up.
For the life of me I just cant see the need to trade Swisher. He was such a big part of the club last year. I wouldnt do it especially for Javy Vasquez at 11.5 mil. I’d rather give that to Sheets and not have to give anything up.
*sorry about the double post.
I can’t see Cash trading swisher for Vazquez. if he did then instead of one gaping hole in your lineup you now have 2…
wow what a steal!
Vasquez for melky, and 2 prospects????
Cash is the man!
and remember Melky is probably going to get 3 mil in arb., anyway
so that helps off set the cost!
excellent point
so now according to Heyman, the deal is for Vasquez and the package would be Melky, Dunn, and a prospect. (source: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/) I dont like this deal at all b/c i think it would signal the return of Damon. While I dont mind Johnny being back, I just dont want to see him as the starting LF!
wait, wait, wait…Melky and a prospect (probably Dunn) for Vazquez and Boone Logan?
Logan = Dunn, so this is basically Melky even up for Vazquez? Really?
+ Arodys Vizcaino
Well, that’s even better. I was not looking forward to the horrible A-Rod jokes.
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