The openest of open threads


As is pretty obvious at this point, the three of us have been most most of the weekend. We’ll start serving up actual content again at midnight. But for now, another open thread, at its regularly scheduled time. I’m assuming most of the talk will be about the Cowboys-Redskins, but anything goes.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. Tech question: I recently changed my Google password and now my Gmail checker extension won’t work on Chrome. Anyone know how to fix this?

    • A.D. says:

      change password back?

    • Whozat says:

      Under the wrench menu, there should be some kind of “manage extensions” option. Check there. The gmail checker must have some kind of config or options panel tha let’s you set the email address to check and the password to use.

  2. Salty Buggah says:

    I wonder what the Colts coaches told the players?

    “Men, we are afraid you’ll get hurt, so we aren’t going to try and win and go undefeated. We quit.”

  3. “The openest of open threads”

    Seems like the appropriate place to tell everyone this.

    Salty Buggah is gay. Not just gay, but he and Mike Pop are madly in love with each other, and plan on running off to Vermont to get married.

    Phew…finally got that off my chest.

  4. Salty Buggah says:

    Someone asked this to Buster Olney:

    Do you have any thoughts about where Xavier Nady will go? I can’t understand why the Yanks are not re-signing him. He would be a bargain (cost-wise) coming off Tommy John surgery, and if healthy, he is a great corner outfielder. Wouldn’t he be worth the risk? I think he is better than [Brett] Gardner or [Nick] Swisher.

    Seriously, do people STILL not realize Swisher is better Nady is almost every way? Jeez…

  5. Salty Buggah says:

    McKid needs to stop calling screens. At least half of the non-running plays are those dumb bubble screens and they never work.

    It almost took the Broncos out of FG range but that long FG is good. Tie game.

  6. Oh Salty is not going to be happy.

  7. Salty Buggah says:

    FUCK!!!!! 3rd down and 25 and McNabb runs it for 27 yds for a 1st down! Wow, Broncos D fail!

    Potential season killer right there

  8. Great tackle by Goodman.

  9. Jordan says:

    Can we make this thread dedicated to shitting on Jon Heyman for being a disgrace to baseball journalism?

    He tweeted within the hour:

    “just mailed Hall of Fame ballot, beating deadline yet again. voted for alomar, dawson, larkin, parker, morris & mattingly”

    I don’t understand how Sports Illustrated and MLB Network keep this man employed. He knows literally nothing about the game of baseball outside of what he hears from Adam the Bull and Francesa.

    • Alomar and Larkin? Okay. Everyone else? No…maybe Dawson. Maybe, but I lean to no.

      • Steve H says:

        Ehh, I’d go no Dawson as well, Parker=Dawson without the counting stats. In fact Parker’s probably a little better than Dawson for a 10 year peak period.

        Alomar/Larkin no brainers, but then again so is Raines and Blyleven. And I still cannot get over Whitaker not even getting enough votes to stay on the ballot.

      • Jordan says:

        Alomar and Larkin are HOFers. Dawson is borderline, but I wouldn’t vote for him.

        Blyleven is the 13th best pitcher of all time according to CHONE, but of course Heyman leaves him off.

        Parker, Morris and Mattingly are absolutely not HOFers.

        McGwire is (I don’t personally care about PEDs, since there’s no way to know who did and didn’t do them), Raines most definitely is, Trammell is.

        You can make a case for McGriff, but again, I lean no.

        • I like McGriff, McGwire should be in as well. I like Raines in there, too. I’m leaning towards Trammell, I just need someone to push me over the edge.

          And, we all know how I feel about Blyleven.

          • Steve H says:

            15 year peak as a SS with a 116 OPS+ and stellar defense. Again, if you went back to the 80′s and asked a manager if they would rather have Trammell or Ozzie, they’d take Trammell. If Ozzie Smith gets one of the highest vote totals of all time, Trammell clearly belongs. If only he could have done backflips.

          • Jordan says:

            Well if you subscribe to CHONE WAR, Trammell accumulated 66.8 WAR.

            That’s more than Willie McCovey, Ozzie Smith, Gary Carter, Ernie Banks, Yogi Berra, Eddie Murray, Pee Wee Reese and so far Manny Ramirez, amongst many others.

    • +100000

      His intentionally vague style of writing went out about 20 years ago. Journalistic standards have risen since then. Might work in a gossip column, but not a hard news magazine that wants to be taken seriously like SI.

    • Evan says:

      Rich Lederer just shed a tear.

  10. Riddering says:

    So when Rex Ryan was reading his Christmas wish list I had no idea Caldwell had pulled his name for Secret Santa.


  11. Fucking Eagles are going to win this game.

  12. Salty Buggah says:

    What a catch

  13. Salty Buggah says:

    Are these announcers dumb? Yes he had both feet down but then he bobbled the ball a bit, you gotta see after that.

  14. This ref is very demonstrative.

  15. Salty Buggah says:

    WOW! Could Broncos season right there.

    How big was that McNabb run? Completely flipped field position. Broncos were so close, yet they made way too many mistakes. Too many penalties that killed.

    Also, they had three straight possessions at the 50 yardline in the 4th quarter. The result? 3 points

  16. Evan says:

    My mother suggested that I try to sign up with a temp agency. Any tips on what I should look out for or recommend an agency?

  17. Salty Buggah says:

    What a crushing loss. Last week they lose to the Raiders by 1 point and today by 3 points. They were one less mistake away from probably winning. Bad play-calling, execution, too many mistakes, inability to run, inability to stretch the field (thanks Orton!), inability to stop the run, inability to limit the big play, some injuries, and other shit = Potentially ruined season

  18. danny says:

    broncos/yankees, interesting, how did that come about?

    • danny says:

      wow, whats wrong with me today. obviously that was a response to Salty.

    • Salty Buggah says:

      I was introduced to baseball while still in NY so I’ve liked the Yanks since. Then, I moved to Denver in 99. I didnt start watching football until around 2001 and the Broncos were the hometown team so I became a fan of them. I do like the Giants 2nd and the Jets 3rd though.

      • Salty Buggah says:

        Though I must admit that I didn’t start watching baseball religiously until 2006/2007. I just watched playoffs or the ESPN games. I had been a huge basketball fan but since 07, baseball has replaced basketball.

  19. Salty Buggah says:

    Yea, I agree. Heyman is still stuck in the 80′s. Law is definitely better than Heyman. This tweet just proves Heyman is an idiot:

    not that theres anything wrong with it, but the stat people are taking over #yankees: johnson .426 OBP, vazquez 1.02 WHIP

    Stat people?!?!?! WTF? Since when is OBP and WHIP for “stat people?” This isn’t anything advanced like WAR, it’s common sense!

  20. Drew says:

    It’s on Mike Pop.

    Go Skins.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:


      Prediction: Giants will make the playoffs.


      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

        Fuck the TD. Redskins will STILL win.

      • Prediction: Giants will make the playoffs.


      • Mike Pop says:

        Remember when you predicted that the Cowboys sucked? How did that work out for ya?

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

          They DO suck. Im serious. They lost to games to the Giants. Giants, even if they make the playoffs, suck.

          I could understand one, but…two?

          • Mike Pop says:

            Time to grow up.

            The Giants aren’t all that bad of a football team. Especially in Week 2.

            The second game was in your house, GMen/Dallas games are always tough. Just like most division games.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

              No, seriously, the Gmen have an atrocious defense and no running game. Their receivers are young and drop balls. Their kicker sucks.

              Basically, the Giants have an okay offensive line and Eli. And you lost to them twice.

              • Mike Pop says:

                You want to point to two games, I want to point to the whole season.

                9-5 says enough for me.

                Good teams lose to bad/average teams all the time.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                  You lost to them TWICE. And again, they’re not a playoff team yet.

                • Mike Pop says:

                  Like I said above, it’s time to grow up.

                  The Cowboys are 9-5. Far from a shitty team. The Cowboys lost to the Giants in Week 2. That’s when the Giants were on a current streak of going 5-0. Playing great football.

                  Plus if you want to be childish about this – that game was a joke. You won because a ball deflected off Witten’s foot into one of the Giants’ defensive players hands.

                  /waits for the ‘you lost to them twice’ line again.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                  Oh, please. The ball deflected off Witten’s foot because it was a ridiculous shitty pass.

                  The Giants actually were NOT dominated that game. look it up. Everybody thinks they were for some reason.

                  You’re 9-5 NOW. Next week it’s possible you could be 9-7 and out of the playoffs.

                  Anyway, you lost to us TWICE. Yeah, I said it.

                • RRR, by your logic, the Yankees suck because they lost twice to the Nats. The Cowboys do not suck. They’re not a fantastic football team, but they’re not sucky either.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                  Football is very different than baseball. You play many more games in baseball. A team that loses only 16 games in baseball is fantastic. In the NFL it’s one of the worst teams ever. Can’t compare.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                  Getting serious for a second….for the record, Dallas is not totally awful, neither are the Giants. And I find it unfortuantely unlikely for Dallas to lose this game.

                  But you know what? It’s possible. And it’s possible the Giants win next week and Dallas loses. So I’m keeping the faith, dammit.

                • Regardless, the logic of “Well, Team A, who is a generally bad team, beat Team B, who is a generally good team, therefore Team B sucks” does not hold water.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                  In football, when you lose to a mediocre team twice and may be in danger of missing the playoffs you’re no elite team anyway.

                • No, but the argument isn’t that they’re an elite team. Your argument is that they lost to the Giants, hence, they suck. Neither Pop nor myself has said that the ‘Boys are an “elite” football team; we’re just holding that they don’t suck.

                  Do all the teams who lost to the Raiders or Browns or Lions automatically suck because they lost to those teams? Sure, some of them suck, but not necessarily because they lost to the aforementioned crappy teams.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                  Oh, Redskins.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                  Did you read my last poost though? I was using extreme hyperbole. Neither the Boys or G-men suck. In truth the ‘Boys are probably better.

                  Neither are that good either.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                  Heh. “Poost”. Gotta love typos.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

          Not to mention, there’s time yet for Dallas to suck.

      • Drew says:

        The Giants and Skins will be doing the same thing come January, vacationing.

    • Mike Pop says:


      No shot Drew.

  21. Jordan says:

    Heyman update:

    “regarding bert, 86% voted “no” his 2nd yr. unlike others, i’m consistent. he never led league in wins, ERA but led in HRs, earned runs, Ls”


  22. Perilious Crack Toker says:

    Oh, really?

  23. No, Chris that’s not “two football players going at it” it’s Santana Moss grabbing the defender by the bicep and throwing him down.

  24. Salty Buggah says:

    Go Bengals, Raiders, and Dolphins next week!

    • Drew says:

      Go Chiefs, Browns, Bucs, Seahawks, Raiders and Bills next week!

      ha, Skins could potentially catapult themselves to the 3rd overall pick if they all win.

  25. Maybe it’s just my mentality, but if a guy I ever played any sport with was doing what they just showed Keith Brooking doing to pump us up before a game, I think I’d laugh heartily before feeling pumped up.

  26. Reggie C. says:

    So Nfldraftblitz has the Gmen picking Clemson RB CJ Spiller from the 22nd slot. The reasoning: big backs like Brandon Jacobs tend to fall off a cliff. The writer names guys like Christian Okoye, Barry Foster, and Earl Campbell. Spiller looks to be the first RB off the board.

    You guys think Gmen should draft RB before addressing the OL ?

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

      They need a middle linebacker.

      • They need lot’s of things.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

          I think MLB is the biggest problem because I think that their defense is the biggest problem. There is at least a decent chance of Jacobs coming back and doing well, and anyway our offesne is pretty good regardless.

          Our defense, now THAT’S the issue.

      • Reggie C. says:

        Definitely that’s a need, and arguably the top need as the off-season stares us right in the face. But if we’re picking from the 18-22 range, and a RB like Spiller is there, he’d be tremendous value. The kid has Chris Johnson-like speed and athleticism.

        Anyways, Sintim could be converted to MLB.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

          What’s Sintim’s ceiling? Wasn’t he a second round draft pick?

          • Reggie C. says:

            I thought Sintim was drafted as a hybrid DE/LB. The “knock” on him was that he’s a superior pass rusher than defender against the run. What kept Sintim out the 1st round was speed out in the open. There’s LB upside ’cause he’s young, and he knows how to tackle … but if speed is already questionable … i dont know.

  27. TJ says:

    Watching LaRon Landry play man to man coverage makes me want to vomit.

  28. Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

    Anybody think this loss to the Panthers was the worst loss in Giants history? With their playoff hopes more or less riding on this game, and playing a subpar team with a backup QB in the final game at Giants Stadium, the Giants did not just lose, they got EMBARASSED. This was seriously one of the worst losses I can remember them ever having.

    Don’t give me the miracle at the meadowlands, that game meant shit.

  29. Drew says:

    Great move by Campbell, drop, turn, run the wrong way, get sacked.

  30. e mills says:

    Anyone see that??? I think it’s referring to the Mets though

  31. Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

    Game’s not over, but the Redskins and G-men look prety damn dead.

  32. Accent Shallow says:

    For all the bellyaching about Heyman’s ballot (and it’s not the ballot I would turn in), but I can live with a HoF without Blyleven. (Yes, he is better than some pitchers who are currently in, but we can’t take those guys out.)

    The love for Morris is something I’ll never fully understand. Yeah, he was a workhorse, and he had that Game 7 . . . but he’d be one of the worst, if not the worst, pitcher in the Hall.

  33. Drew says:

    I wish Dan Uggla could play LF.

  34. Drew says:

    This bit by Chad Jennings makes me mad:
    “I think Hughes is the better starter of the two. He has the fastball, curveball and cutter, and I believe the changeup will be a quality pitch.”

    Okay, while he does have those pitches, he’s been in the Yankee system for 2 more years than Joba. He’s also spent most of that time in the minors, able to work on secondary pitches.

    Joba’s been the opposite, his first year in professional ball was capped up by a spot on the Yankees. He’s stuck since and has had to work on secondary pitches while getting major league hitters out.

    Damnit man, let Joba grow.

    I know I’m preaching to the choir but I thought I’d voice my displeasure.

    • I think you’re overreacting to that CJ quote. He’s not saying Joba can’t be an effective MLB starter, he’s just expressing the opinion that he thinks Hughes will be the better MLB starter, in 2010, of the two of them. He’s not saying he’s giving up on Joba or that Joba can’t make it.

      Another quote from the same post:

      I’ve long been in the ‘Chamberlain should be a starter’ camp, and I’m still there. I think the best thing for the Yankees is to use both Hughes and Chamberlain as starters…”

      • Drew says:

        I may be overreacting a bit but I find all that a bit contradictory.

        He says that neither should work in Scranton because they can be more impactful in the pen. I mean, if he’s in the Joba should start camp, he shouldn’t sway imo. If his excuse for swaying is that Joba isn’t as polished as Hughsie then wouldn’t it make more sense for Joba to work on it in Scranton, as a starter?

        • Drew says:

          btw, I’m not posing that question to you, just voicing why the post aggravated me.

          • Oh I hear you, I just think you’re maybe a bit worked up over this issue (the Hughes/Joba rotation/pen issue) and you misguidedly directed that annoyance at CJ’s post. What CJ said isn’t what you’re annoyed with, it’s the situation itself that’s bothering you. His post doesn’t say the things you think it says.

        • “He says that neither should work in Scranton because they can be more impactful in the pen.”

          No, he says nothing of the sort.

          CJ: “If everyone stays healthy, the Yankees rotation will have room for only one of Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes. That’s obvious. Whichever doesn’t make the cut will fall back into the bullpen or go to Triple-A (though I tend to think Triple-A is unlikely simply because the bullpen impact would be too great to pass up).”

          He’s not necessarily arguing that it’s smarter to send the loser of the 5th starter competition to the MLB ‘pen instead of to AAA as a starter, he’s simply acknowledging that it’s more likely that they’ll choose to send the odd man out to the ‘pen instead of to AAA. What I mean is… He’s not addressing the question of whether they should send the odd man out to the ‘pen or to AAA, he’s looking at the situation and venturing a guess as to what the Yankees will actually do… And I don’t think many of us, even those of us who’d prefer to see the odd man out back in AAA to start the season, disagree with that assessment. He’s just saying ‘I think they’ll send the odd man out to the ‘pen, and the following is why I prefer that odd man out to be Joba instead of Hughes.’

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