Feb
23

Baseball America’s Top 100 Prospects

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Baseball America posted their list of the Top 100 Prospects in all of baseball today, with Yanks’ wunderkind Jesus Montero coming at number four overall. Jason Heyward of the Braves topped the list, and was followed by Stephen Strasburg and Mike Stanton. Brian Matusz of the Orioles came in right behind Montero at number five. Montero is third different Yankee prospect to be considered one of the four best prospects in the game within the last four years, joining Phil Hughes (2007) and Joba Chamberlain (2008).

Austin Romine was the only other Yankee prospect to make the list, coming in at number 86, one spot ahead of Boston’s Lars Anderson. Old friends Arodys Vizcaino and Austin Jackson checked in a numbers 69 and 76, respectively.

Categories : Asides, Minors

114 Comments»

  1. baseballnation says:

    The yanks system has thinned out indeed.

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona says:

      …according to Baseball America.

      • andrew says:

        BA may be off here and there on specific numbers, but the general take away is only 2 in the top 100, which is pretty weak. Whether you have Romine 87 or 74, I don’t think that really affects the issue at hand. I doubt they are off by so much that they have undersold all of our prospects and we are in fact an average minor league system. The fact of the matter is that the system has thinned out, according to BA or otherwise.

  2. ADam says:

    The system will prop up in the next two drafts… i have the faith in Cash…

    • Christos says:

      The system will prop up in the next two drafts… i have the faith in … Damon
      Fixed

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona says:

      The system is already fine.

      • Accent Shallow says:

        “Fine” as in “not worthy of panicking” or “fine” as in “does not need to be improved”?

        Because I agree with the former and disagree a bit with the latter — the system is around 20th in the majors for a reason.

        • …the system is around 20th in the majors for a reason.

          Agreed. That reason: the farm has been exceedingly good recently and has graduated Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes, Robinson Cano, Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera, Phil Coke, Brett Gardner, Frankie Cervelli, Alfredo Aceves, David Robertson, Mark Melancon, Ramiro Peña, Juan Miranda, Mike Dunn, and Ross Ohlendorf, as well as producing quality graduates to be like Austin Jackson, Arodys Vizcaino, and Jose Tabata, non-big leaguers who were talented enough to be centerpieces of trades to acquire top-flight ML talent.

          The current farm system is thin not because our farm sucks, but because our farm has been exceedingly good and has produced several players who are either starters or elite backups for our own club and for other clubs via trade, some of whom are near-all-star caliber. When those players graduate, the farm naturally looks weaker.

          • Riddering says:

            “When those players graduate, the farm naturally looks weaker.”

            Once the ball is released, it slows down as it reaches home plate.

            c/o Fox Sports Science Lab

            (All joking aside, your points are spot on. Just looking at the names of players we’ve signed & developed recently is drool-worthy.)

          • Omar says:

            What top flight ML talent were Jose Tabata and Ross Ohlendorf traded for?

            Side note: hearing Michael Kay, or maybe it was Sterling, say “One of the best relievers in baseball, when healthy, and if you don’t believe me just ask Ryan Howard”

            Was totally worth it.

            I would slightly disagree…the reason why the farm is not because of graduates IMO, the only guy that graduated within that hasn’t been replaced by a similar player was Brett Gardner. The reason it’s “thin” right now is a lot of the high ceiling types either a.) haven’t worked out or b.) in the lower levels. Imagine if DeLeon hits his stride, Sanchez starts performing, Heathcott makes me forget about Brett Jackson, and Murphy looks like Romine pt. 2? Now granted that’s a lot to all go right, but if so the farm’s back in top 5 territory. Also they traded Austin Jackson, Mike Dunn, and Arodys Vizcaino (they were the only “prospects” in that deal)…I’d consider that a good reason to have a thin farm. However, if you’re saying the farm is still helpful and will most likely continue to be, agreed totally. Maybe I missed your point, I am feeling awfully ill. My asshole roommate has this old bottle of Strawberry milk sitting in his room that’s turned to powder, I think that has something to do with it.

            • We were not in Top-5, so we can’t creep back into it. You are right, however, in that much of our high-upside talent hasn’t panned out or are in the low minors.

              Still, over the past 7 years, we’ve churned out some very good players, more than the rankings would have suggested.

              • Omar says:

                Oh, I definitely think the Yankees have enough high ceiling talent and spend enough on international signings and on draft day to creep back into the top five in the next year or two. Betances getting hurt and Brackman gobbling dick hurt quite a bit, losing a high ceiling 19 year old arm, surprisingly without very many health problems, like Arodys hurt too, losing Jackson even though he really only projected to be a slightly above average CF hurt as well. Overall, I’m satisfied with the state of the team, they’re making smart moves they’re trading away prospects that are either very very far away for guys who can be extremely useful now and trading guys who aren’t good enough to play for the Yankees but can be contributors on other teams. I think McAllister will eventually see sometime in the bullpen this year and be a real Mendoza with much better ground ball rates than Aceves. I also think another year of refinement for Romine and Banuelos will help out quite a bit.

                • All of that is well and good but the point is, even if we retained Ajax, Viz, Dunn and even one of Brack or Betances showed some signs (and don’t sell Brack too quickly; being healthy last year was a victory itself), we still wouldn’t have been a Top-5 farm.

                  The problem really hasn’t even been the pitching. The larger issue is outside of catcher, there’s not a whole lot there. Name an infielder with top-notch talent and decent probability? Closest you’ll find are the 2B like Adams, CoJo. They both aren’t even in that tier.

                  Look at the outfield. Slade (and DeLeon to a lesser extent, in an extreme long shot) is really the only non-catcher with much high-talent, decent probability. It’s guys like Sutttle, Angelini, CJ Henry, and other way above slot position players that have hurt the system. Montero and Romine are the only guys that project as regulars even in AA. It’s one upper-echelon prospect; a few established good ones in Romine, Z-Mac, Melancon; talented but young players like Ramirez, Slade, DeLeon, ManBan, Murphy, Brian Mitchell; mediocre guys like Adams, Sublett, Brewer; fast rising college guys like Warren, Cotham; and lottery tickets like Brack, Betances, Garcia.

                  A team like the Yankees doesn’t need a lot of farm production. It’s great and helps with depth, trades, total costs, but we don’t need to be The A’s.

                • Omar says:

                  Oh, I wasn’t saying they’d be a top five farm with those guys just that they’d likely be in the top half of MLB farms. I’m just saying that right now I’m not concerned, plus very few farms have impact arms, infielders, catchers, and outfielders.

                  I don’t the smack talk about Corban Joesph either, is he really that much worse than say a Jason Donald? Yeah, Suttle and Angelini were massive busts, but that happens…if you’re a team like the Yankees or the DogFuckers to the north you have to take risks on high ceiling signability high schoolers. As to CJ Henry, he was the centerpiece in the Abreu trade, that’s like saying that Tabata hurt the system.

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  3. 21 RYAN
    WESTMORELAND

    OF, RED SOX
    Best Tool: Speed.
    BA Grade: 70.
    Opening
    Day Age: 20 ETA: 2010

    Ryan Westmoreland is going to join the Sox in 2010?

    http://hoosieraccess.com/files.....really.jpg

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona says:

      He’s going to run all the way there. HE’S THAT FAST!!!11!!

    • Christos says:

      “(Baseball America) does tend to fuck up” – Dodgers Prospect Andrew Lambo

    • Thomas says:

      BA is predicting a massive collapse for the Sox in which they throw in the towel and play the minor leaguers.

      Or that is what I assume they must be thinking.

    • Accent Shallow says:

      “No, that’s my brother, Crazy Talk.”

      Absurd.

      (Ok, BA changed Westmoreland to 2012. Much more realistic, considering he’s only played in the New York-Penn League.

    • Rose says:

      According to ESPN, Jacoby Ellsbury is #18 overall in their fantasy baseball rankings this year.

      So once they add Westmoreland…they can alternate JD Drew and Mike Cameron back and forth and have the greatest outfield in the history of the universe.

      -True Story

      • Thomas says:

        He is 18, because it is fantasy baseball. Ellsbury can pretty much win you the steals category by himself, while giving your team solid average and runs.

        70 steals from Ellsbury is equal to 70 HRs from Bonds in fantasy.

        He obviously isn’t the 18th best player in the game.

        • andrew says:

          70 steals from Ellsbury is actually FAR more valuable than 70 HRs from Bonds

          Last year, there were 5040 total home runs hit, while there were only 2970 bases stolen.

          When you consider the amount of those totals that came from rosterable fantasy players (top 200 guys overall or so), Ellsbury actually collects more than 3% of the total steals available. On the other hand, a home run hitter would have to hit 120+ home runs to have a similar impact.

          • Thomas says:

            I agree a HR is worth less than a steal. However, homeruns count in more categories. In your standard 5×5, a solo HR will give you 1 HR, 1 run, and 1 RBI plus the additional value to your average. Getting stolen base increases the likelihood of adding a run and could have added to your average or your RBIs, but it not a sure thing.

            That is why I said they were equal, but as you said a stolen base is much more rare.

      • andrew says:

        Most rankings (if not all) will have Ellsbury as a top 25 fantasy player. We can criticize ESPN all we want, but can we at least do it when it’s appropriate?

  4. YankFanDave says:

    Wow, 41 LHPs made the list. Only a single RHP and that was Stephen Strasburg. Hugely inverse from the bigs.

  5. Nick Hagadone seems high at #44. Mat Gamel seems low at #89

    Oh, and:

    73 JIOVANNI
    MIER

    RHP, ROCKIES

    Epic proofreading FAIL.

    Other than those quibbles, though, a solid list.

  6. H.W. Plainview says:

    Happy to see Montero listed ahead of Posey and Santana. Not true in all cases.

  7. Reggie C. says:

    BA is seriously sleeping on Fernando Martinez. The kid is going to make Francouer expendable by the end of the 2010.

  8. H.W. Plainview says:

    No Jose Tabata. That makes me smile.

  9. W.W.J.M.D says:

    I don’t like that Strasburg is ranked higher than Montero. I know dude is sick and there doesn’t seem to be much in his way to getting to the big boy leagues, but Jesus is Jesus. I know it’s a wierd thing to hope, but I’m hoping sometime around September, Nick Johnson hits the DL and Montero starts hitting them to the facade.

    I mean come one, Dude hit it off the M yesterday.

    • I know it’s a wierd thing to hope, but I’m hoping sometime around September, Nick Johnson hits the DL and Montero starts hitting them to the facade.

      Patience, young padawan. 2011 will be here before you know it.

    • Salty Buggah says:

      Uh no. Don’t hope that. We need Nicky J for the playoffs. Jesus MIGHT come up anyway in September. Maybe.

      • W.W.J.M.D says:

        I’m positive he will come up in September, but he won’t be doing much, except maybe occasionally being the alternate back-up behind Cervelli, so he might catch maybe once a week which while exciting, is not as exciting as the idea of seeing him in the starting lineup everyday.

        • but if he comes up he has to be added to the 40 man. why add him before you have to?

          • True, but come September several of the fringy guys on the 40 man may be off the 40 man. I bet there would still be a guy worth DFA’ing (like, say, Albaladejo) in order to give HeyZeus a taste of the bigs.

            It’ll be worth it. We want him to come into the Spring of ’11 ready to compete with Jorge in a legit timeshare of C/DH.

            • Spinning it forward:

              September, 2010 (changes are NOT necessarily direct replacements, just total changes):

              1.) Al Aceves
              2.) Jon Albaladejo Jesus Montero
              3.) Andrew Brackman
              4.) AJ Burnett
              5.) Joba Chamberlain
              6.) Wilkin De La Rosa
              7.) Chris Garcia Amaury Sanit
              8.) Chad Gaudin
              9.) Phil Hughes
              10.) Boone Logan
              11.) Damaso Marte
              12.) Mark Melancon
              13.) Sergio Mitre Zach McAllister
              14.) Hector Noesi
              15.) Ivan Nova
              16.) Chan Ho Park
              17.) Andy Pettitte
              18.) Mariano Rivera
              19.) David Robertson
              20.) CC Sabathia
              21.) Romulo Sanchez
              22.) Javier Vazquez

              23.) Frankie Cervelli
              24.) Jorge Posada

              25.) Robinson Canó
              26.) Reegie Corona Royce Ring
              27.) Derek Jeter
              28.) Nick Johnson
              29.) Juan Miranda Jason Hirsh
              30.) Eduardo Nunez
              31.) Ramiro Peña
              32.) Alex Rodriguez
              33.) Kevin Russo
              34.) Mark Teixeira

              35.) Brett Gardner
              36.) Greg Golson
              37.) Curtis Granderson
              38.) Jamie Hoffmann Marcus Thames
              39.) Nick Swisher
              40.) Randy Winn

          • W.W.J.M.D says:

            As of right now, the only catchers on the 40 man roster are Posada and Cervelli. There is no way that they will not call up a 3rd catcher in September, and it makes perfect sense to get Jesus some big league at-bats before 2011

  10. Marc says:

    How is Kyle Gibson listed at 61, but on the list replaced by Jason Castro…there’s alot of errors on that list.

  11. mryankee says:

    What about Zmac?

  12. Riddering says:

    Interesting that only two Yankees make the list–but after the farm has thinned out a bit due to trades and players being called up to the majors, it’s not too surprising. And having one of those two players included be such a widely touted talent is fair enough consolation.

  13. mryankee says:

    So the trading of Austin Jackson and Arodys Vizcaino is that big of an impact on the farm system. Once again these lists are just stupid. IF AA is the most competitive of the minor leagues and Mcallister has dominated there he doe snot deserve to be on this list? Yet they have Lars Anderson who sucked last year on this list? I am sorry this whole thing is a complete joke. In my mind its all about agendas and arrogance on behalf of the “experts”

    • You literally never know what you are talking about. Ever.

      • mryankee says:

        Well that is my opinion and believe that i Lars Anderson is on this list then Zach Mcallister should be as well. I do believe in performance and think that a highly ranked prospect should perform and if he does so at the higher levels of the minors then he should be on this list.

        • you’re welcome to your opinion. but just because you have it does not mean that it is right or based in fact or even this plane of existence.

          • mryankee says:

            I never said I was right I am nit sure there is a right or wrong when your dealing with the subjective. I just believe that there are specific players(Zmac) who are being shafted and other(anderson) who are being rewarded when performance which I do believe in dictates that the opposite should occur.

            • I just believe that there are specific players(Zmac) who are being shafted and other(anderson) who are being rewarded when performance which I do believe in dictates that the opposite should occur.

              Your belief isn’t backed by enough deep, contemplative thought. I like ZMac a lot and think he’s a great prospect. That being said, I’d take Lars Anderson over him, quite easily, even on the heels of Anderson’s down year. Much better ceiling.

              • Much better ceiling.

                just wanted to ay that again couple with this from below

                cause without the upside he is a middle of the rotation guy. there are tons of mcallisters::yeah he sucked last year. but his upside is high. These are prospects. it is part upside and part performance. the guy has tons of talent.

        • Tom Zig says:

          Is this necessary? Like I understand your disappointment in the ratings of the Yankee prospects, but be patient.

        • Joe D. says:

          mryankee:

          If it makes you feel any better, check this out:

          Jorge Posada
          Robinson Cano
          Mariano Rivera

          What do these three fine Yankees have in common? Baseball America never ranked any of them in their Top 100 prospects. Greatest RP of all-time, Hall of Fame catcher, and stud second baseman.

          The list is a great read, but is not the final word by a long shot.

          http://www.baseballamerica.com.....26983.html

    • IF AA is the most competitive of the minor leagues

      nope.

      and Mcallister has dominated there he doe snot deserve to be on this list?

      nope. cause without the upside he is a middle of the rotation guy. there are tons of mcallisters. there are very few strasburgs, etc.

      Yet they have Lars Anderson who sucked last year on this list?

      yeah he sucked last year. but his upside is high. These are prospects. it is part upside and part performance. the guy has tons of talent.

      I am sorry this whole thing is a complete joke. In my mind its all about agendas and arrogance on behalf of the “experts”

      yes they are all arrogant self serving assholes who think they’re the best ever and that they are right everytime on every prospect and couldn’t know anything more than you. you should make your own list.

  14. Ted Nelson says:

    Not too concerned about what Baseball America thinks. They probably do as good a job as anyone could, but half these guys will never make the big leagues.

    A better system could only help the Yankees, but I’m pretty happy with what they’ve got. Some OF depth would be nice (and maybe Jesus IS an OF at the end of the day), but otherwise the only everyday spot that looks to be opening up soon is C. 4 of their top prospects are at that spot plus a young guy who could be a top prospect next season.

    They had enough to make two strong moves this offseason, and they’ve got some decent arms coming up to fill out the pen and maybe crack the rotation down the line.

    I hope the Sox overhyped system ends up like the Bulls of a few years ago with a bunch of Hinrich’s and Ben Gordon’s and the MLB equivalant of a lottery team.

    • They probably do as good a job as anyone could, but half these guys will never make the big leagues.

      That doesn’t mean their list or opinion isn’t worthwhile, though. Jose Tabata may never make the big leagues, but his prospect status enabled us to get Nady and Marte, meaning his prospect status has some value in and of itself even if the odds of him making it to the bigs are small.

      • Ted Nelson says:

        I’m just saying that I like the Yankees’ system fine, and I’ll trust Cashman’s front office over BaseballAmerica. Yankees, of course, are in a pretty unique situation financially where a good system is fine and they don’t need a great system to compete.

        The Yankees in the 80s would have managed to trade away Jeter and Pettitte instead of Guzman and Milton, for example. Posada would have been gone, which apparently he almost was according to the Boss’ wishes, instead of Russ Davis. The front office over the past decade and half have done a good job of trading the right guys and keeping the right guys.

        • Ted Nelson says:

          With Tabata in particular, could it be that the Yankees knew he was actually 35 years old and not 20??? (Joking about the age.)

        • I’m just saying that I like the Yankees’ system fine, and I’ll trust Cashman’s front office over BaseballAmerica.

          But, again, there’s the rub: BA isn’t saying that Cashman’s front office is building a weak system, BA is saying that the Yankees system is currently weak.

          There’s a large difference between “currently weak” and “systematically weak”. I too, trust Cashman and the front office, I think they do a great job. That being said, yes, the farm system is currently weak, because we’ve graduated a ton of talent and it’s going to take a year or two for the next wave of kids to mature and for the system to reload.

          BA isn’t shitting on the Yankees, they’re just saying the Yankees system doesn’t have many top-shelf talents right now. That will change.

          • Ted Nelson says:

            What I’m saying is that I trust Cashman and Co. more to sort through a list of prospects and decide which of the “high ceiling” guys are actually overrated Double-A ceiling guys.

            I am not saying that they’re short changing the Yankees by any means and I understand that they have a hard job in IDing 100 top prospects and ranking them. They are ranking them as of today, but who really cares how good they could be as of today? I want to know how good they WILL BE in 2 years, 5 years.

            What I am saying is that in 5 years time if we make a list in hindsight it will look A LOT different. So: 1. This list is not that big a deal and 2. I trust Cashman and Co. to have a more accurate list as of today than BA.

    • Riddering says:

      Well, them’s the breaks when anyone ranks baseball prospects–not just BA. They’re evaluating players by what they think they will grow into as they climb through the minors and reach the majors.

      • Ted Nelson says:

        Yeah, that’s exactly what I said in my very first sentence. My point is that the Yankees as an organization seem to have done a better job over the past 15 years of identifying who their prospects are and who their overhyped trade bait is than BA. They are also in a good position to trade prospects for expensive vets due to their financial resources, of course.

        If they traded away Jeter, Mo, Posada, and Pettitte for a bunch of Danny Tartabulls–as the Boss wanted them to do in some cases… I believe I read on here that he pushed a Posada and Mo for Tino Martinez deal…–they would never have had this run for 15 years.

  15. Thezack says:

    Hooray, another prospect ranking list to incite people to bitter posts about who is ranked where and why certain Sox players are ranked so high! And even better, all the “I know so much more than you and your comments are so dumb and uninformed” comments from the RAB “regulars!” Have at it boys…

    • And even better, all the “I know so much more than you and your comments are so dumb and uninformed” comments from the RAB “regulars!” Have at it boys…

      If my answers frighten you, Vincent, you should cease asking scary questions.

    • “I know so much more than you and your comments are so dumb and uninformed”

      the only comments that get these responses are ones that are….well, uninformed. not necessarily dumb, but uninformed or lacking in factual evidence or logic. or that are, like mryankee’s above, the exact thing you are saying are “I know so much more than you and your comments are so dumb and uninformed” to which the “regulars” said, hey, why are you like that? you don’t know mroe than these guys

      flawed logic for the win

  16. Doug says:

    don’t think this was mentioned, but romine’s listed as age 23 instead of his correct age of 21. e-mailed BA to let them know.

  17. WizardLizard says:

    How is Casey Kelly so high and Pat Venditte is nowhere to be found? Kelly throws with only one arm. Pat throws with two. Therefore, Venditte is twice as good.

    Also, I have it it on very good authority that Theo wasn’t actually wearing a gorilla costume when he quit — he IS a gorilla and usually wears a human costume.

  18. Ivan says:

    I would of ranked Montero over Stanton in my opinion but that would be just nit-picking.

  19. Maximilian Javier Rodriguez says:

    It’s cool to see Montero rated so high, but there’s one thing odd about this list.

    In the Yankees’ organizational Top 10, the Top 3 were ranked as follows.

    1. Jesus Montero
    2. Austin Romine
    3. Arodys Vizcaino

    On the Top 100 Prospects List, they are ranked like this.

    4. Jesus Montero
    69. Arodys Vizcaino
    86. Austin Romine

    Somehow getting traded to the Braves made Vizcaino 17 slots better than Romine. Maybe if we traded Jesus, he’d be ranked NEGATIVE ONE.

    • 28 next year says:

      so many inconsistencies. They probably don’t reference the other lists to make the decisions.

      also, BA has grades for each prospect but they don’t descent in order. For example, Westmoreland has a grade 70 while the next guy, Chapman has a grade of 80. How does that make sense?

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