Feb
01

Open Thread: Overreactialignment

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During these slow days of winter (unless you count that Willy Taveras blockbuster!) we’re subject to lots of nonsense stories, usually stuff about salary caps and competitive balance, but in some case realignment as well. David Schoenfield wrote a feature for ESPN in which he presents what their editors call a “radical idea” for making baseball less unfair by reorganizing the divisions each year. Allow me to excerpt.

Why does baseball have to keep the same division format every year? Why should Tampa Bay and Baltimore always have to beat out the Yankees and Red Sox while the AL Central teams duel each other to 87 wins? Why should the Angels only have to beat out three teams instead of four in the AL West?

So the plan is to realign the divisions after every season. For the American League, there would be three basic rules:

1. The Yankees and Red Sox always remain in the AL East. It makes sense and it’s good for the game.

2. Tampa, Toronto, Baltimore, Detroit and Cleveland can play only in the AL East or AL Central. All five cities are in the Eastern time zone and having them play in the West creates logistical and television issues.

3. The Angels, Seattle and Oakland always remain in the AL West. This makes sense for logistical reasons, as well.

Now, how do we disperse the remaining teams? Simple. MLB holds a big telecast two days after the World Series ends. We put all the team names in a big ball like during the NBA lottery selection show. Teams send their general manager and a star player and Hall of Famers like George Brett and Reggie Jackson draw out the team names. You wouldn’t watch this? You wouldn’t love to see Dave Dombrowski throw up in his mouth when the Tigers draw the AL East? You wouldn’t get excited to see Andrew Friedman high-fiving Evan Longoria when the Rays draw the AL Central? You know you would watch this.

Well, I probably wouldn’t watch it, but in general the idea of changing the division each year is completely unrealistic (and to his credit, Schoenfield acknowledges that). Why are we punishing the Yankees (and Red Sox) by keeping them in the same division year after year, while other teams get to enjoy life outside the AL East? Believe or not, there will be a point in time when either the Yankees or Red Sox aren’t competitive, so what are we going to do then, lump them in with the group that gets to change divisions each year? Aside from that, you’re killing some rivalries by constantly moving teams around. It’s not just the Yanks-Sox, it’s the Cardinals and Cubs, or the Giants and the Dodgers.

The game is in a place right now where the the two most dominant teams are in one division. It’s not fair to the other three clubs stuck in the division, but that’s life. Was anyone suggesting that baseball should realign when the Blue Jays and A’s were dominating baseball in the late-80′s/early-90′s? Somehow I think not.

Anyway, that’s my rant for the evening, and here’s your open thread. The big story of the night is Nick Swisher‘s cameo on How I Met Your Mother (WCBS, 8pm), in which he’ll be playing Nick Swisher. I’ve never watched the show, but I’ve already set the DVR. Other than that, you’ve got House and 24, but none of the sports locals are in action. Enjoy the thread.

Categories : Open Thread
  • Salty Buggah
    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      There is no way that’s real.

      • AndrewYF

        Wouldn’t that make everything just really salty?

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

          Please don’t tell me how you know that.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Horatio from Chelsea

        Oh, it’s real and FAAAAABULOUS!!!!

      • T-Dubs

        “semen is inexpensive.”

    • http://twitter.com/riddering Riddering

      I’d rather stick with a lesbian diet.

      • Salty Buggah

        Yea, me too…

        • Bruno

          Would it be in bad taste to use my wife’s mouth as a measuring cup?

          • Bob Stone

            You’re bad.

      • Bob Stone

        I second that.

  • JSquared

    This would make the travel ridiculous. If The Angels and Athletics were put in the AL East with the Yankees and Red Sox, it would be too much.

    • Hey ZZ

      You may want to go back and read the post again

      • JSquared

        I was just putting a worst case scenario together, thrown the mariners into the AL East as well, and it would be nearly impossible.

        • JSquared

          But I do get the point, what i also forgot to write was that all teams not changing would be a problem and therefore make the changing idiotic if not all teams could change***

  • Stones

    I want to see Swisher but I can’t miss House.
    Do they put that show online after it airs?

    • Salty Buggah

      Yea, it’s on Hulu.

    • pete

      yeah. CBS will have it by tomorrow afternoon

  • pete

    HIMYM is a great show. Great cast and really great characters. I don’t care if that makes me a girl I’m a HIMYM fan and proud of it.

    As far as the division alignment thing, I completely agree. The yankees have to play most of their games against the AL East, which has, apart from the big bad yanks, two teams that would easily win any other division in baseball, and a promising young Baltimore club. I’m sorry, but anytime you put together a roster like the yanks’ and there’s a pretty decent chance you don’t win your division or even necessarily make the playoffs (not saying it’s likely, but it’s certainly possible), it’s hard to call the setup unfair. The Yankees are the most popular team in sports on account of their merits and historical record, and having a great history and great fans because of that should make a team wealthier

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

    Mets May Not Have Shot At Washburn
    By Howard Megdal [February 1 at 6:12pm CST]

    Mets fans are already in near-revolt mode, so the tweet from Jon Morosi that the Mets likely don’t “have a real shot” at Jarrod Washburn will only stoke the fires further.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....hburn.html

    I am long past making fun of Mets fans. Now I just feel sorry for them. Their GM is a buffoon and even worse, their owner doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doing. You can change a GM, the guy who owns the team is going to hire the next one. Hopeless.

    • JSquared

      Minaya can’t even put sentences together, how is he going to put a team together?

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno
      • JGS

        {facepalm}

      • Tom Zig

        you beat me to it.

        You: 1
        Me: 0

        • AndrewYF

          Mets: -$6,000,000

      • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

        A random 10 year old kid can run the Mets better than their current management. That’s a joke. What are they thinking?

      • Tom Zig

        my question is did Putz have a duty to disclose his bone spur?

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

          Nah, they knew about it. Shit, I knew about it. It was public knowledge.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Nah, I still hate the Mets.

      And the descent into Hell goes ever deeper.

    • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

      Very hopeless. That rotation is going no where. Their offense while good *might* put them in Wild Card contention but they will always be early exits until Omar realizes offense won’t win you the playoffs.

      Not even trying to go after Ben Sheets or Jon Garland AFTER you failed on Pinero and Lackey is very very very funny.

      Oh well sucks for Met fans.

    • Accent Shallow

      http://www.northjersey.com/spo.....ntana.html

      The Wilpons don’t even give Minaya a budget. What a mess.

    • Klemy

      He’s doing an awesome job running the Bisons in to the ground now as well.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

    Hey Mike, did you see this?

    http://newstadiuminsider.blogs.....icket.html

    Care to do a follow-up piece?

    • http://frosthendu.blogspot.com/2010/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html Steve H

      My 2 cents. Okay, he can spell (though I’m not sure I buy that he sent that from his iphone). He’s still batshit insane for canceling his season tickets because of the moves Cashman has made this offseason, which, though he doesn’t want to admit, have been roundly applauded this offseason. Even before Olney’s latest piece on Damon, this offseason has been a success, and seeing the lengths that Damon and Boras went to, makes literally all of the other pieces fall into place. What if Cash had waited? No more Granderson, Johnson would be with the Giants, Vazquez probably would have been traded elsewhere, and Winn would be with the Natinals. He waited as long as he could, and made the moves he needed to make.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

        He’s typical of many (not all) of the fans who were so upset about Damon leaving. They loved the guy, and had an irrational, emotional response.

        • http://frosthendu.blogspot.com/2010/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html Steve H

          But at the end of the day, aren’t we all Yankees’ fans? Hell, they could let Jeter and Mo walk at the end of the year and I’m still rooting for the Yankees. I understand that people can get irrational about a favorite player, but to that extreme? I still think he was canceling his tickets anyway, and wanted to bitch about something.

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

            Yeah, he said the plan wasn’t worth it for him anyway.

            I have a full season, and I can barely get my money back on games in April and May. I wind up handing them out to customers. The reality is, you can get games on StubHub so easily these days, partial plans make less sense than they used to.

    • Hey ZZ

      I wonder why that guy is a teacher and not the GM of the Yankees. He is clearly smarter then anyone the Yankees have in their FO.

  • Tom Zig
    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

      Does this surprise anyone? Their Doctors are not only good, but some of the best in the country. The problem seems to be once that medical info hits the Met front office.

      It’s either willful ignorance (‘Rub some dirt on it, kid’) or complete, utter incompetence. I could make the case for either, so I’ll say it’s both.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

    http://www.detnews.com/article.....1129/rss15

    Note to Johnny-”Winners” don’t tell everyone in the press about every ache and pain they have. Just FYI.

  • C

    Remember that “We Have The Yankees” Nike ad with Mo? Anyone know where you can buy a poster of that ad, or at least find a high-res version that I can have made into a poster?

  • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

    Look at this piece of batshit insanity from lohud:

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201...../#comments

    Let’s get right to my point. There should not be instant replay in baseball. It would ruin the game.

    Having the umpires on the field make the calls is the way that it’s always been. They get most of the calls right and occasionally blow a few. Baseball has managed to survive and thrive this way for over 100 years. Why change it now? Do we really want to see Lou Piniella throw a little red challenge flag, or would we rather see him blow his top and kick dirt on an ump? I know which one I prefer.

    One of the greatest plays of all time happened in Game 1 of the 1955 World Series. The Brooklyn Dodgers were trailing the Yankees by 2 late in the game with Jackie Robinson on 3rd. Jackie broke for home with the pitcher in a full windup and slid safely under the glove of Yogi Berra. At least that’s how the home plate umpire saw it.

    Whether or not Jackie was safe or not has been debated for over 50 years. Yogi still to this day swears that he was out. It’s a controversial call that has been talked about, over and over again.

    This is just one example of what makes baseball so great. A play that happened over 50 years ago is still talked about today. An umpire made a call, one side loved it, and the other hated it. Everyone who has seen it has an opinion. It was the whole play that made it great, the umpire, the call, and the close play that could have gone either way. Yogi argued, screamed, and well, it didn’t matter. There was no changing the call.

    Great moments like that will be forgotten sooner because of instant replay. We spend so much time talking about what could make the game better that we forget that it is already a great game. Having an umpire miss a call and watching the players and managers freak out is very much just a part of the game.

    With the number of cameras at a game, it’s almost certain that we’ll know exactly what the correct call should be, no matter what the ump says. We have super slow-mo, multiple camera angles, even computer generated strike zones. If an ump gets a call wrong, or even right, we have the definitive answer within seconds. So, while I know that the technology is available, I just wish they would slow it down a notch. It is driving the umpires and tradition right out of the game.

    Would instant replay have improved anything about baseball over the last 100 years? Imagine if there were instant replay in 1955. Nobody would still be talking about that stolen base of home, and Yogi wouldn’t still be arguing to this day. Nope, the debate would have ended in the replay booth and we would have only spent a few days talking about how bad the ump was.

    That’s because Jackie was out.

    I’m not even going to go through the reasons this post is utterly ludicrous, since it’s glaringly obvious. I’ll just add my thoughts to the discussion on the artcle.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

      Yeah, that’s just dumb. You can’t argue for getting the calls wrong. Everyone should agree that you want to get the calls right, it’s just a matter of slowing the (already slow) game down too much.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        His arguement is ridiculously flawed. Like you said, arguing that you want the umpires to get the wrong calls is ridiculous. It really makes no sense at all.

        Arguing that it would take too long can still be rebutted sucessfully, but at least the concept makes sense.

        • Stuckey

          I don’t think the “take too long” argument makes any real good sense either.

          As I stated in response there. Bad calls often lead to indefinite, unlimited delays anyway in the form of player/manager arguments with umpires.

          You take away a team’s ability to hold up the game completely at their discretion with on-field arguing, and replace with replay.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            I’m all for replacing the umps with robots, don’t look at me.

    • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

      So according to his logic the more batshit insane calls the better the game is.

      So every call should be wrong?

    • T-Dubs

      They need to enforce a pitching time limit with the penalty being an automatic ball. Might work best if they limit it to the first 7 innings for a trial though.

    • JGS

      Why not to read LoHud, exhibit A

      • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

        Why not to read LoHud comments, exhibit A

        Fixed.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Look at Borden’s take below, too.

        • JGS

          good call

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime (Optimovelist Primus)

      And yet I’m the one that gets reamed….

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Also, this quote is ridiculous:

      Great moments like that will be forgotten sooner because of instant replay. We spend so much time talking about what could make the game better that we forget that it is already a great game. Having an umpire miss a call and watching the players and managers freak out is very much just a part of the game.

      So, because the game is already great, we should stop trying to improve it? Not to mention, does he really think that when Cuzzi blew the double call it made the game better? Really?

      IDK about you, but IMO the only people who will remember anything about that game but Cuzzi’s blown call are Yankee fans. I would argue that it makes fans of most teams forget that it was such a great game. Just like when KC won that WS in the 80′s. Game 6 was a great game, but I remember it far more for that blown call than for the bottom of the ninth comeback.

    • Hey ZZ

      Sam Borden’s take on it in a follow up post:

      “Instant replay in baseball? I’ve written on this before and agree with much of what James wrote this morning. As someone who has extensive experience officiating sports (including baseball), I can say that missing a call is (usually) as much a physical error as a player botching a ground ball. So, the argument goes, if errors are part of the game then errors are part of the game. That said, I find myself turning around a little on the idea as time goes by …

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        Except the umpires aren’t playing the game! That’s a ridiculous comment. So in chess, making a bad move is an error. If you make your pawn skip like a knight and take another piece, and somehow nobody catches it, that’s fair? That reasoning doesn’t make any sense. That comment was bullshit.

    • vin

      “This is just one example of what makes baseball so great. A play that happened over 50 years ago is still talked about today.”

      This “argument” is really just a means for fans to cope with a bad call costing their team the win – especially when a non-baseball fan questions them about it. I’ve been guilty of it myself from time to time.

      I’ve always liked the fact that one league has the DH and the other doesn’t. I always told people that is a little thing that makes baseball special. I still like the nuance, but it’s really me just defending baseball’s silliness to non-fans.

      • Steven T

        Here was my comment on it
        Are you seriously saying that just because we remember a controversial call that if it had gone the other way may change the outcome of the entire series is the reason why we shouldn’t have instant replay and the ability to get every call right? That was a terrible argument

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

      No offense to you all, but I kind of think every once in a while, when a bad call happens, it makes the game fun. And every once in a while it’s a lil magic. I just don’t think that it’s so important in baseball.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        Unless you’re the team screwed.

        It’s basically saying that it’s okay for people to say that what happened, didn’t happen, when we have the resources to combat it.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime (Optimovelist Primus)

    While I don’t agree with this realignment as such, I’d love to see a US-based league do it relegation style, as they do across the pond.

    • T-Dubs

      That would be fantastic. How fast would the Pirates be sent to AAA?

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        The thing is, though, the talent gap is waaaaaaaay too big for relegation to work in MLB, unless they did it the way THCM proposed.

        • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime (Optimovelist Primus)

          True, but it’d force teams that can to better appropriate their funds.

          • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

            Would it, though? The Pirates, as constructed, and the Royals and Astros and other bottom feeders, would absolutely crush the AAA competition.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

      I’d like to see them do it Brazilian-style, where there’s a riot if the home team loses, and officials who blow a call are executed within a week.

  • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

    House or Swisher??

    Swisher or House??

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime (Optimovelist Primus)

      I’m watching House because I missed it last week

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Blasphemer.

        • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime (Optimovelist Primus)

          There’s a joke about me being a jew in here, somewhere…

          • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

            Is there?

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

    I love Nick, but I’m not missing ’24′ on Fox.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

      oh wait. 8:00, never mind.

  • Ted Nelson

    I like the idea of a more open format for making the playoffs, given the competitive imbalance of baseball and the small playoffs relative to other sports. You could also solve a lot of the same problems by expanding the playoffs by one round.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Expanding the playoffs is never a good thing.

      • Camilo Gerardo

        unless it’s college football!

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          Touche.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    Ted Mosbey’s got mad game-calling skills.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

    I have read a couple of articles about Jesus Montero and how some think he doesn’t project well as a catcher. Would the Yankees consider moving Montero to one of the corner outfield positions?
    - Anthony G., Belleville, N.J.

    You never say never, I suppose, but my understanding is that Montero would not be a terrific fit in the outfield because he just doesn’t run well. As one person in the know told me, “He’s slow as molasses.”

    But he sure can hit, and the Yankees internally believe he can be a big league catcher, something he’ll continue doing at Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. He might have made an ideal first-base candidate at some point, but since Mark Teixeira isn’t going anywhere, it’s probably going to be catcher or designated hitter when Montero makes his big league debut. That may happen as soon as this year.

    This is why, as much as it pains me to say it,that if Jesus Montero can’t figure out how to be a de4cent MLB Catcher, he’s trade bait. I wouldn’t trade him for just anyone, it would have to be a high ceiling pitcher like Roy Halladay or Josh Johnson, but like Nick Johnson back in 2003, he just doesn’t fit anywhere on this team.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist
    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      What does “decent” mean to you, though? If he’s Mike Piazza or Jorge Posada back there, that’s fine.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

        Piazza and Posada had very different flaws. Piazza blocked the plate well, used his body on baserunners sliding into home, called a good game that pitchers seemed to like and was OK on popups. He just couldn’t throw anyone out.

        Jorge throws base runners out at a decent clip, and does just about everything else poorly.

        If he’s Piazza, I’ll LOVE him. If he’s Posada, he’ll drive me nuts just like Jorge does.

        • Steve H

          Maybe they can hire Varitek to call the games from the bench. The Yankees will ring up no-hitters in no time.

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

            You can be as snarky as you want, the P-I-T-C-H-E-R-S are the ones who complain about Jorge. But you know more than they do.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

              Give me one example of a Yankee pitcher complaining about Jorge. A link with a quote would be fantastic.

              • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                You can’t be serious. So you’re just going to play the head in the sand game? Stop.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  Right, because jumping to conclusions is a far better approach.

                • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                  Right, and players go on the recortd with this stuff all the time. There’s no such thing as a clubhouse culture, only numbers on a spreadsheet.

                  BTW-If you were being intellectually honest, you’d admit (as most Sabermatricians do) that Catchers are among the hardest positions to quantify. But no, you’d rather play games.

                • Stuckey

                  Nostra, did you REALLY just use the “I don’t have to give an example to support my assertion because we all know it’s true” gambit..?

                  Really?

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  Oh no, I’m not playing games. I’m just not very fond of people talking about clubhouse culture and stuff like that when they have absolutely no idea what goes on in there.

                  And of course there’s such a thing as chemistry and all that stuff. I never said there wasn’t, you’re putting words in my mouth. I just don’t believe it has nearly the kind of impact many think it does.

                • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                  I never mentioned ‘Chemistry’ and it wasn’t what I was referring to. The ‘culture’ I’m referring to is that you keep these issues in house, and don’t air your dirty laundry in the press.

                • kunaldo

                  so isnt that just a big fat assumption? if the “culture” is to keep those issues in house? i’m not saying that there is or isn’t issues w/ posada’s catching, just that, like mike said, there is no smoking gun…

            • Big Juan

              I mean, I know Burnett and Posada had some trouble getting on the same page in ’09, but I can’t recall hearing of a pitcher complaining about his pitch calling.

              If it was that bad, would they have stuck with him this long?

              • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                -El Duque
                -Mike Mussina
                -Randy Johnson
                -Roger Clemens

                All had issues with Jorge. They stuck with him because they know how hard it is to find a bat like his at his position. But that doesn’t make his defense any better.

                • Big Juan

                  I’m not refuting your comment because I don’t have the facts to do so. But by chance, do you have any links to read?

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  Randy Johnson had problems with everyone and Mussina always hoisted the blame on everyone else (fielders, umps, etc).

                • Stuckey

                  Am I missing something or did the Yankees not win 114 games on route to a championship this year with Posada as a catch, and miss the play-offs the only time in 15 years the year he was injured most of the season?

                • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                  Juan, try reading Torre’s book.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  You mean Verducci’s book.

                • Big Juan

                  Got it.

                  I’ll just take your word that it’s there. I’d rather not read that book.

                  Bottom line is that I’ll take the 4 WS rings Posada helped the Yanks win. He called enough right pitches to get 27 outs quite a few times over that time span.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  El Duque and Jorge had a weird love-hate relationship. The due still pitched to him, and well.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Dude, you’re way overrating game-calling skills.

                • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                  No I’m not. Game calling is only a small part of the equation, I agree. But he’s a passed ball machine, doesn’t bother to block home plate AND has issues with pitchers. That’s what I’m talking about.

                • Stuckey

                  Assuming you don’t play Posada’s play as a factor in 2008 (one could make a STRONG argument his lack OF play was a factor in them missing the post-season for the first time in 15 years), which post-season did Posada cost them a series?

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Right now of course he can’t be a ML catcher. I NEVER argued that. I said if he has MEDIOCRE defense you deal with it. Right now his defense is unacceptable. Still, I’m willing to give him time to get to Piazza or Posada levels defensively. He’s young and improving.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  What exactly are you arguing? That if he becomes a Jorge Posada type of player you wouldn’t want him? Because if so that’s ridiculous.

                • Big Juan

                  But he’s a passed ball machine

                  Okay, here we go:

                  According to Ben Badler (http://www.baseballamerica.com.....ts/?p=1835), in seasons which catchers play 120 games, the average passed ball total is 8.

                  In seasons which Posada has caught at least 120 games (8), his passed ball average is 11.5.

                  Not great, but is 3.5 over the league average really a “passed ball machine”?

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Who cares if he is? He’s sog good defensively he easily makes up for it. You’d really rather have a Stanley or a Molina behind the plate?

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Replace defensively with offensively, of course.

                • Big Juan

                  Well of course I wouldn’t want a Stanley or a Molina. The point of my post was that I don’t think Posada deserves the passed ball machine reputation.

                  And yes, even if he allows more PB than the average catcher, I’ll take his offense.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  I was responding more to Nostra-Artist than you.

                • Big Juan

                  Got it. My fault.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  BTW, for the record, I read the Verducci-Torre book.

        • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

          Hey, if it means we win 4 WS with him as the primary catcher, I’m willing to risk your sanity.

    • Steve H

      If he’s truly a Thomas/Piazza/Miggy type bat, he’s a fit on any team. Sure as a DH he loses some positional value, but if he hits his potential, that production, even though it’s coming from DH, is tough to find anywhere. Add in young and cost controlled, for a team that does have payroll concerns now and in the future, and he carries a ton of value to the Yankees.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        That, too.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

        But he’ll have more value to another team who can find a position for him. Therefore, he’s trade bait.

        • http://frosthendu.blogspot.com/2010/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html Steve H

          Maybe, but even in the Josh Johnson scenario, now you’re looking at trading a top 10 caliber bat who is cost controlled for a guy making $9 million/year. If you traded Montero for a pitcher of his caliber and age who is also cost controlled, you’re taking a huge risk in that the bat is more of a sure thing than the arm. Maybe you’d trade him for a SS who has less ceiling but gives you your future SS. It’s tough to think about a trade that would make perfect sense on the field as well as financially. In the Johnson scenario, what’s better, Montero+ $8 million to spend or Johnson alone?

          • Big Juan

            This.

            If Montero turns in the 40-100 threat that some scouts are saying he could be, I’ll take the sure thing bat.

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

            They already offered him straight-up for one year of Roy Halladay, who was making 16 mil this season.

            • http://frosthendu.blogspot.com/2010/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html Steve H

              That was doing his due diligence and I’m guessing that he knew the Jays wouldn’t accept. And doesn’t that also show how much the Yankees do value him, that they consider him good enough by himself to get one of the 3 best pitchers in baseball? The Yankees have a better read than any of us, any national scout, or any scout from another team on whether he can make it at catcher, or in the OF. I can assure you that Bryan Hoch does not have a better read on Montero’s future in the field, either at C or OF than the Yankees organization does.

              • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                Steve, they offered him knowing the Jays might accept.

                As far as the OF stuff, read the first post. I had always thought that was an option as well, but Hoch totally shot that down. That changes things significantly, and is what I was hoping to discuss with my initial post.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      If he’s mediocre but as good a hitter as Miggy Cabrera you stick him at catcher and fuck the defense.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

        No. If the pitchers can’t deal with throwing to him, you’ll blow up the entire season. No one bat is worth more than your starting pitcher in any individual game.

        • Stuckey

          You mean like Posada has blown up every regular season since he came up…

          Like that you mean?

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

            Ever heard of Mike Stanley? Of course not, you probably weren’t born when he was catching for the Yanks. The current manager was brought in because the pitchers (led by David Cone) couldn’t stand throwing to him. Again, if you read Torre’s book, you’d know this.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

              Don’t be condescending to try to make your point. The “get off my lawn” mentality appeals to no one and does nothing to help your argument.

              • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                Oh, so he can be snarky, but I can’t be condescending.

                Gotcha.

                • Stuckey

                  Feel free to try to be condescending, just be smarter amount it.

                  Nothing I said indicated my age.

                  It was a swing and miss on your part.

            • Big Juan

              I’m assuming when you say him, you mean Posada. And if that’s true this example doesn’t seem like a great one.

              1) The only time Stanley and Posada were ever on the team together was ’97. And if they couldn’t stand throwing to him, that makes sense because he was still very young.

              2) They still had Girardi in ’97, and he caught the majority of the games. So it’s not like Posada was the every day catcher yet.

              • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                Him is Stanley.

                • Big Juan

                  Okay. That anecdote makes a lot more sense now.

                  But like everyone else said, Stanley’s offense was not on par with what Posada became and what Montero will hopefully be. So I can imagine it was much easier to get rid of him.

                  I realize some catchers just aren’t the best pitch callers, but ultimately, the responsibility for that falls on the pitcher IMO for two reasons:

                  1) Obviously, the pitcher has the ability to shake the catcher off. In an ideal situation, you don’t want this very often because it breaks tempo, but the option is still there.

                  2) If the pitcher and the catcher are so far off in pitch selection, the pitcher should be getting with the catcher between innings, between starts and whenever else there is time, in an effort to get on the same page.

            • Nady Nation

              And Mike Stanley didn’t have Jorge Posada’s bat, so he was shown the door. Most are projecting Montero to have a Posada-like bat, at the very least. So…

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              What everybody else said.

            • Stuckey

              Right, Girardi was brought in after Stanley caught the majority of games over 3 seasons, the last 1 and 1/2 (strike-shortened) were relatively successful.

              Jorge Posada has been the primary catcher for 12 seasons, 3 of which resulted in World Championship, 1 of which is in the argument for one of the greatest team single-seasons of all-time.

              And Posada is still here. NOT replaced ala Mike Stanley.

              Are you not arguing Posada is terrible defensively AND is unpopular with pitchers?

              But he has NOT been replaced and has NOT blown up a single regular season in his career….

              Do you even know what point you’re trying to make at this point?

              • Stuckey

                4 of which… forgot this past year…

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              The point we’re making is that keeping Montero on the team as catcher, even with sub-par game-calling skills, would definitely be worth it if he has a Miguel Cabrera, or even Jorge Posada, type bat. Our evidence for this is Jorge himself. We’re not saying if you have to don’t bring in backup catchers to pitch to certain pitchers, but if you deny our point think about what you’re saying:

              1. It was not worth keeping Posada at catcher becaue of his game-calling, a ridiculous arguement.

              2. It was not worth keeping the defensively horriffic Piazza at catcher, a batshit insane arguement.

              Now we know you’re too smart to believe that. All I’m saying is if Montero’s offense is THAT good, you can live with mediocre defense. Get a personal catcher for certain pitchers if you have to. Whatever, it’s worth it for that type of bat.

              • Hey ZZ

                Just to add to that. Mike pointed this out in the chat the other day:

                Montero will be 27 years old when Tex’s contract expires. Even in the worst case scenario where he is only a DH for the beginning of his career he will have plenty of time to play a “real position.”

                Kevin Youkilis did not even play a full season in the bigs until he was 27.

                • Big Juan

                  +28

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  That is an excellent point.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          My God, you’re making way too much of this catcher stuff.

  • Camilo Gerardo

    lol jim nantz

  • Camilo Gerardo

    nice intro, nick!

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Glorious.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    LOL @ “rack jacked” by The Scooter.

  • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

    I gotta say I was hoping for a couple more lines from Swish.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Ditto.

    • pete

      nantz was hilarious though. this season’s been a bit of a downer though. kinda feels like they’re just treading water

  • http://frosthendu.blogspot.com/2010/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html Steve H

    Piazza in the Hall as a Dodger or Met? I’d go Dodger, but it’s pretty damn close and the argument could be made either way. More counting stats with the Mets, better rate stats with the Dodgers and only 1 less year. Also came up with the Dodgers where he made a name for himself, and I think how he was drafted helps the Dodger case as well. No significant playoff moments to speak of with either team, unless getting a shattered bat chucked at you counts, which in the great minds of the BBWAA might.

    • bexarama

      I’d go Dodgers too, but it’s very close and I feel like the Hall will put him in as a Met. I’d say his “significant moment” that the BBWAA will want people to remember isn’t that he got a bat chucked at him, but that home run at Shea in the first game after 9/11 (which, to be fair, was a hell of a moment).

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      When I think of Piazza, I think of him as a Dodger. Of course that means nothing. He did make his name in LA, so I’m inclined to say a Dodger hat.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      I think of Piazza as a Met, for what it’s worth.

      • Chris

        Me too. I think of Clemens throwing a bat at him.

  • bexarama

    I think MLB Network is running out of Prime 9 topics. Most Unique Pitching Deliveries? Best Outfield Arms? (Also, if I ever hear that call of that one CRAZY throw by Ichiro from early 2001 again, it will be too soon.)

    Swisher was cute on HIMYM. :)

    • bexarama

      Also oh noooo they’re using Gold Gloves to decide outfield arms :(

  • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

    Okay, since we were blessed by some winter Swisher action.

    O/U 32 HR’s from Swish in 2010. Keep in mind he only hit 8 at home in 09.

    I’m going to take the over.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Ready for me to be a pussy?

      Push.

      • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

        Heh yeah I thought 32 was a good line.

    • pete

      I think the yanks are gonna go nuts on HRs this year, dunno why. 38 for Tex, 44 for A-Rod, 31 for Swish, 33 for Granderson, 30 for Cano. Das right, five 30 HR hitters in this lineup.

      • pete

        and 16 for Jetes, 19 for NJ, 18 for JoPo, and 4 for the LFers combined.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        What’s the record for 30 HR players on one team?

        • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

          I believe it’s 4. Tied by like 10 teams (most from the 90s).

          • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

            follow up: http://www.baseball-almanac.co....._hr7.shtml

            Not sure how up-to-date this is and too busy watching 24 to do more research.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

              Yeah that’s up to date, the ’09 Phils are on it.

              • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

                haha. Look at the 96 Rockies.

                • http://frosthendu.blogspot.com/2010/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html Steve H

                  Larry Walker only played half a year that year. Had he been healthy he would have been #5.

        • http://frosthendu.blogspot.com/2010/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html Steve H

          Looks like a ton of teams have had 4, no one has had 5 though.

          http://www.baseball-almanac.co....._hr7.shtml

    • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

      I’m saying over. But barely.

    • http://frosthendu.blogspot.com/2010/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html Steve H

      As many as he wants.

    • Accent Shallow

      Under. 32 HR is quite a bit.

      • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

        Care to toss a number out there? His power will not be non-existent at home like last year. He only slugged 394! Granted, I expect a correction on the road too.

        • Accent Shallow

          I’d set the over/under at 24, and take the over.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Under, but not my much. There’s no shame in 25-30 homers.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Under. 23 Homers.

    • Mike HC

      I would say under. You also have the consider the chance he misses some time throughout the season. He has only hit over 32 once in his career. I really hope he does hit that many though.

  • bexarama

    Giants signed Byung-Hyun Kim to a minor league deal, heh. Thanks for the memories.

  • Mike HC

    That division realignment is obviously ridiculous. There are too many problems there to even go over.

    I can see realigning the divisions to balance out the talent, or to create better rivalries based on team talent level rather than geography.

    But the current system seems to be working. I would personally like to see another team or two added to the playoffs from each League. Maybe set up an NFL like system. I don’t see why there can’t be another playoff round and more teams involved. Seems like a win win to me.

    • Big Juan

      I would personally like to see another team or two added to the playoffs from each League. Maybe set up an NFL like system.

      Of course you have the right to your own opinion, but I’m not a fan of expanding the playoffs. I like that baseball is the most difficult sport to make the postseaon.

      If I were to suggest any chance to the current format, it would be to put the best four teams (record-wise), regardless of division, in the playoffs. For example, if the Rays finish third in the East this year with the third best record in the AL, I’d rather see the in the playoffs.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I like the current system. Maybe they should just change it up to the teams with the four best records in each league, regardless of division.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Bingo.

      • Big Juan

        Same point. Fewer words.

        Axisa: 1
        Big Juan: 0

    • Januz

      I would despise realigning the divisions, based on talent. There is no guarantee that teams will be good forever (For example: I remember the awful Stump Merrill Yankee teams, where we were laughed at by the “Bash Brothers” A’s). What makes a sport work (Or not work), is the level of interest of the fans. Traditional rivalries (Such as Boston), or rivalries based on geography (The Mets) are the games I look forward to every season. As a big Yankee fan, I will stay up for the West Coast games, and watch the Royals or Indians, but I guarantee you, the Sox and Met games are the ones I look for when the schedule comes out.

  • http://frosthendu.blogspot.com/2010/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html Steve H

    The 1996 Orioles hit 257 HR’s. I’m guessing the juice was flowing thru that clubhouse, but somehow everyone believes the world would end if Cal Ripken were to be found out as a juicer. His best friend and roommate on the team…..Brady Anderson.

    • http://frosthendu.blogspot.com/2010/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html Steve H

      And after hitting a HR every 42.9 AB’s at the age of 37, he hit one every 18.4 AB’s at 38, and 1 every 20.6 AB’s at the age of 39, which happen to be two of his top 3 seasons for HR/AB. Hmmm, he found the fountain of something.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        How about Wade Boggs? Here’s the HR totals of his full seasons:

        5
        6
        8
        8
        24
        5
        3
        6
        8
        7
        2
        11
        5
        2
        4
        7

        One of these things is not like the other things…

        • http://frosthendu.blogspot.com/2010/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html Steve H

          Yeah, though that was 1987. How about, no kidding, Omar Vizquel.

          1
          2
          1
          0
          2
          1
          6
          9
          5
          2
          5
          7
          2
          14
          2-1st year of testing
          7
          3
          4
          4

          During his HR barrage, he also had his 3rd most 2b’s in a season too. Likely just an outlier, or he resisted for so long, had one year unlike the others, and then testing was implemented.

          • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

            Kriby:

            0
            4
            31
            28
            24
            9
            12
            15
            19
            22
            20
            23

            Hmmm…not as odd as I thought but still.

            • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

              Rickey always had crazy fluctuations in power. His MVP year always stands out to me though.

              http://www.baseball-reference......1990.shtml

              Some familiar names on that team.

              • http://frosthendu.blogspot.com/2010/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html Steve H

                Hmm. Where did Steinbach’s 35 HR season at age 34 come from?

                • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

                  He worked really, really hard!! lol

            • http://frosthendu.blogspot.com/2010/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html Steve H

              4 HR’s in his 1st 1251 AB’s.
              31 in his next 680.

              Pretty damn odd. I think he just got on the juice train pretty early. Dude had some biceps on him.

            • Hey ZZ

              Roger Maris, the “true” record holder

              14
              9
              19
              28
              16
              39
              *61*
              33
              23
              26
              8
              13
              9
              5

              • http://frosthendu.blogspot.com/2010/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html Steve H

                Nice.

                The use of highly androgenic steroids can negatively impact the growth of scalp hair.

                So that’s why he lost his hair. While I’m pretty damn sure he wasn’t juicing, there is anecdotal evidence of steroids in professional sports going back to the 60′s.

          • Accent Shallow

            If Omar Vizquel gets into the HoF, I’m going to punch at least one sportswriter in the balls.

            • http://frosthendu.blogspot.com/2010/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html Steve H

              That will seriously be 1,000,000x the travesty that Jim Rice getting in is.

              • Accent Shallow

                Oh yeah. At least Rice could hit. Ugh.

      • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

        He would never take teh juice!1! He’s Cal Ripken!

      • Chris

        How about this one:

        14
        28
        9
        19
        16
        39
        61
        33
        23
        26
        8
        13
        9
        5

        That one season does seem to stand out…

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      If there’s one player to whom I’d see the writers giving a pass it’s Ripken.

  • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

    Can a Yankee be on my favorite show every week please?

  • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

    Conan O’Brien and Billy Crystal from ’97 (SFW): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....&NR=1

    • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

      Only 4 letters to Mo. My how times have changed! Haha Conan is the man, even in his nancy boy Red Sox jersey.

  • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

    I’m having trouble getting Adobe flash to work on Google Chrome. anyone have any ideas on how to fix it?

    • http://frosthendu.blogspot.com/2010/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html Steve H
      • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

        Awesome name, but it’s really no help. It sucks, because I love Chrome, but that flash stopped working.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    Johnson to the Dodgers is complete.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    Steve H., when’s the blog launching?

    • http://frosthendu.blogspot.com/2010/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html Steve H

      Pretty soon, still working on ideas, etc. JMK is going to be working on the blogging software and setting that up. I’ll make sure to link to it once up and running.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Fantastic. You guys should make a great team and I’m real excited to read it. Best of luck.

        • http://frosthendu.blogspot.com/2010/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html Steve H

          Thanks. I’m hoping I can come up with enough stuff to write about, and JMK’s stuff is bound to be fantastic.

          • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

            Yeah, the former is the hardest thing (especially around now, considering how little is going on). If you ever need someone to do a guest spot, let me know. I’ll be sure to write something Swishalicious.

            • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

              I’d be thrilled if you’d be willing, Matt. I’m going to have everything set up with a post by mid-day Wednesday.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    I’m doing a mock fantasy draft for this RotoWorld thing. I’m picking 6th out of 12 teams. Here’s what I got so far:

    1st Round: Prince
    2nd: Crawford
    3rd: Cano
    4th: Verlander
    5th: Lester

    I usually go for NL arms, but the K potential won me over.

    • DP

      Not too shabby, I’m surprised Lester fell that far.

      • Big Juan

        Starting pitching is so deep that a lot guys pass on the non-Lincecum/Greinke/Felix/Wainwright’s. That doesn’t make Lester any less valuable in the 5th round though.

        • http://frosthendu.blogspot.com/2010/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html Steve H

          That’s what I generally do. Unless it’s a top 3 guy, I don’t take pitching until the 8th round, at least. There’s always guys on waivers that are about 90% of what you can get in the draft once you’re past the super elite and the next tier guys.

          • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

            Sent you an e-mail, Steve.

    • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

      How far did Reyes drop?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        He went 33rd overall, 7th pick of the 3rd round.

        Bay is still on the board. If he’s there with my next pick, I’m taking him.

        • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

          He’s going to kill your fantasy defense.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            Heh. I want to start a sabermetric league. Stats like, FIP, UZR, WAR, wOBA, EqBRR, tRA, that’s the way to go.

            • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

              Too many acronyms. I’d like to see an all-grit league. It’ll be like prospective all-white American professional basketball league.

              • Big Juan

                IETC

        • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

          Yeah I think Reyes is going to be a steal in a lot of leagues this year.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

    You’re a fuckin liar, everyone with a love for baseball would watch a division lottery.

    • Big Juan

      Easy on the f-bomb brother.

      • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

        Ha, I’m still trying to figure out if it’s sarcasm.

        • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

          Definitely falls in the “not sure if serious” category.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

            It is most definitely sarcastic. But seriously, I would watch it.

          • Big Juan

            I wasn’t really sure either. I figured adding “brother” to my comment made it friendly enough lol.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

        fuck off bud ;)

        • Big Juan
          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

            I think you may be big Jaun, Homo.
            http://badcontrol.com/wp-conte.....aytest.jpg (safe)

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              There’s no need for the gay slurs. Grow up.

              Drop as many f-bombs as you want to*, but don’t be a homophobe.

              (* Although, it’s not my site, so the admins may actually NOT want you to drop a lot of f-bombs. But that’s beside the point. The point is, being a bigot: not cool.)

              • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

                I’m not being a homophobe. Stop being so sensitive and ob-seen in your insinuations. You don’t know me, so don’t pretend to know me. You feel me? Maybe I’m not gettin through to you, fuck off. ;)

              • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

                And now I’m going to insinuate that you are a pussy.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

                  And I’m going to tell you to stop. That is all.

                • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

                  Fine but you know I’m right.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

                  No, you’re not right. You’re starting shit and calling my friends morons. Totally unacceptable.

                • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

                  That kid shits on people all the time man, you know it.

                • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

                  Calls me a bigot and I’m the asshole. If that’s what you think man then fuckin whatever.

                • exile

                  Wow mature banning buddy!

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

                  No one banned you, Barry. If we had, those posts as exile would not have shown up.

              • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

                And did you even look at the link you fuckin moron?

                • Big Juan

                  Did you look at the link? It brought up a banner that said badcontrol.com. Funny…

                • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

                  uhm… no it doesn’t big juan.

                • Big Juan

                  It does when I click on it yo.

                • exile

                  http://media.photobucket.com/i.....ayTest.jpg
                  and for what it’s worth I wasn’t calling you a moron I was only fucking around with you, thats not the exact one but it’s the same concept

                • Big Juan

                  I mean, I can tell you’re not entirely serious, but in general, the tone and language you were using doesn’t fly here.

                  Just sayin’. Btw…I didn’t see any words on that picture…did you? haha.

                • Big Juan

                  I mean, I can tell you’re not entirely serious, but in general, the tone and language you were using doesn’t don’t fly here.

                  Subject-verb agreement fail.

                • exile

                  i was trying to make a point about the hypocrisy

  • Tom Zig

    Interesting Bryce Harper article

    http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/0.....d=fanhouse

  • exile

    clever RABers…

  • Brian

    One thing I once heard proposed, which will also never happen, is a sort of Promotion/demotion style system a la European Soccer leagues. teams that are dreadfully awful like the rays of about 5 years ago or the perennial Quad-A Pirates could get demoted to AAA ball and the top AAA teams (maybe the IL and PCL champs?) would move up to take their place. It would give the teams more incentive not to just mail it in after april every year. And then even if your team is completely out of the playoffs, the end of the season becomes a playoff race to not be banished next year.

    of course…this would completely disrupt baseball developmental league system and the talent levels between AAA and the Majors is huge (excluding the pirates?)…but I digress…

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