Mar
03
BP’s Top 101 Prospects List
ByKevin Goldstein at Baseball Prospectus posted his list of the top 101 prospects in the game today, with Jesus Montero checking in at number four overall. He trailed only Stephen Strasburg, Jason Heyward, and Neftali Feliz, and was one spot ahead of Mike Stanton. No other Yankee farmhands made the list, which isn’t a total surprise, though former Yanks’ Arodys Vizcaino and Austin Jackson checked in at numbers 45 and 49, respectively. I’m sure next year will be better.
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Too high on Vizcaino, embarrassingly too high on Westmoreland (14).
BP is adrift.
Agreed. How can the have Westmoreland over Matusz and Smoak (among others)?
Smoak’s value has gone down ever since the Red Sox refused to give up Brad Penny for him. If Boston doesn’t want him, there must be something wrong.
IETC
I CANNOT BELIEVE you people are arguing about minor league rankings. Unreal. Like you actually have any real insight to your opinions, or that this nonsense actually matters. What are Brandon Claussen, Todd Van Poppel, Paul Wilson, Alex Achoa, and Dewan Brazleton doing these days? And where was Robbie Cano ranked on a prospect list? Last time he made the news before playing for the Yankees, Cashman was begging Arizona to take him instead of Brad Halsey in the RJ deal! And the Yankees referred to Austin Jackson as a younger version of Granderson, with a higher ceiling. Then they dealt him for Granderson!!
So…….NONE OF THIS SHIT MATTERS!!!
14?
FOURTEEN?!??!??!??!?!?
MULTIPLE INTERROBANGS?!?!??!??!
Vizcaino is 19, hasn’t thrown more than 44 innings at any level and hasn’t faced anything better than NY-Penn League hitters. How the hell is he 45? He wasn’t even a five-star prospect until he was traded from the Yanks to the Braves, according to Goldstein.
I thought he went 4-star to 5-star when he got traded?
Three. He went from three-star in 09 to five-star this year.
Sorry, he was 3 star on 2/09 and then 4 star in 12/09
Yeah, he is listed as 5-star for the Braves.
That’s what drove me crazy about Vizcaino. He got no love from BP until he moved to the Braves. Vizcaino’s ranking this time last year in the Yankees’ Top 11: 5.
so much this.
Well to be fair, this year, BP had Vizciano listed as the second best prospect in the Yankees system (though he did move from 4 to 5 stars by being traded).
And a scouting service cant change their rankings over time???
Isnt that the point?
Sure. Please explain to me what factors, apart from getting traded, could cause BP to change their ranking between December of 2009 and February of 2010. I’m really looking forward to your explanation.
(holds breath)
…
(passes out and dies)
If we all hold our breaths, it’s going to be like Jonestown in here.
Perhaps that’s his master plan.
He played short season ball.
Maybe just maybe they actually talked to more scouts about him and respect the Atl scouts opinion and moved him up accordingly.
And also talked to the Yankees scouts who reluctantly included him.
Wow!
He played short season ball.
That short season ball didn’t happen between December of 2009 and February of 2010.
And if a conversation with a scout during the past few months cause BP to dramatically increase their outlook on him, they should have mentioned it.
http://baseballprospectus.com/.....cleid=9872
12/22/09: Arodys is a 4-star prospect.
http://baseballprospectus.com/.....cleid=9968
1/21/10: Arodys is a 5-star prospect.
What a month!
One thing to note is that the star rankings aren’t absolute in their value. Goldstein said somewhere that there isn’t comparability year to year, and that he tries to hit “quotas” for 5-star prospects, 4-star prospects, etc. This is, obviously, dumb, and he said he would consider changing it in the future.
Wish I had a link. Sorry. It’s on the internet somewhere.
“This is, obviously, dumb…”
That.
What makes even less sense to me is that the Yankees only had one 5-star prospect in Jesus Montero, the same as the Braves with Jason Heyward. Yet, for some reason, he needs to fill the 5-star quota for the Braves, but not the Yanks? Color me confused.
Yeah, and I’m not even sure that he filled up the Braves quota. In other words, his quota may be a yearly “5 star” quota, not a team quota. If this is the case, and I believe it is, then bumping Arodys to a 5 from a 4 after he got traded is…difficult to defend.
I think it is quotas throughout all the minors, not within each organization. So if Goldstein wants 50 five star players, he could choose all 50 five stars from the Yankees’ system and none from the rest of the teams, vice versa, or somewhere in the middle.
Of course, this doesn’t excuse the stupidity of quota or the increasing of Vizciano’s star power.
Of course, this doesn’t excuse the stupidity of quota or the increasing of Vizciano’s star power.
Right. And actually, it makes it worse.
I guess he improved by going to the Braves.
Ugh, the people at BP are on crack. Westmoreland at 14? What a joke.
And waaaaay too low on Casey Kelly. 30? Are you kidding. Kelly ? Strasburg
Damn, the greater than or equal to sign didn’t work. It showed in the preview though
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hahaha IETC.
I know we like to make jokes about Casey Kelly, but he’s a better prospect than Westmoreland, right? Yeesh.
Exactly. No matter how highly or lowly you feel they should be ranked, Kelly should be ranked higher than Westmoreland.
I expect if they were more complimentary to Yankee prospects you wouldnt have these jokes.
They ranked Montero #4. This isn’t a Yankees-Red Sox problem. This is a problem with consistency and accuracy.
I think BP got caught up in all the “Well, Westmoreland COULD be a top ten prospect next year”, and decided to jump the gun. Because if he does deserve it, BP can say “told ya so!”, and if he doesn’t, well, prospecting is hard, ‘kay?
Man, this was a fast and hard fall for BP.
It’s a fall because they are high on a Sox prospect??
Really?
It’s a fall because they ranked Westmoreland so high. Did you miss that Montero was #4? It’s not a Yankees/Red Sox thing. It’s that Kelly, for all the jokes we make about him, would deserve that #14 spot more than Westmoreland.
That.
If Kelly was #14 and Westmoreland #30, it would be much, much more palatable.
as usual you have no idea what youre talking about or even how this works and are for some reason ewither refusing to read what everyone else is saying or unable to comprehend the message being conveyed.
see your buddy eric’s post above saying that no matter where westmoreland and kely are ranked kelly should be above westmoreland in every and any way.
Did Anthony Rizzo crack the top 50? That would be hilarious.
I would’ve though Man-Ban could be a sleeper who would come in at least the bottom of a Top 101 prospects list.
Shocked that Brackman didnt make another top 100 list.
“It’s not you fault” *Hugs*
/Dr. Maguire’d
Hahaha.
Prediction: Next year, Andrew Brackman will be ranked right around Casey Kelly on these lists.
No way. Casey Kelly will be taking his seat on the Supreme Court by the time Brackman can even find home plate. Get with it, man!
Dude why do you hate Brackman so much? What has he ever done to you?
I’d say “this will end badly”, but it probably won’t end at all.
TWSS?
It will end 12 hours from now.
Long after all of us have forgotten the question was asked, shrouded in the anonymity of the ethereal past.
Brackman kicked his dog and then peed on his front lawn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9fIjYnPazc (NSFW – language)
Laird really hit that shit.
/EddieHousesaywhat
Shit, wrong thread. My bad.
Serve him a drink Tommie.
http://tinyurl.com/PinstripeDFAIPA
PECOTA is broken, these rankings suck, and BP is in a tailspin. Apparently Nate SIlver was LeBronning that entire operation.
The Red Sox have a better system than the Yankees.
Now that I’ve gotten that out of the way, Baseball Prospectus loses all credibility when Vizcaino’s status can jump so much in a month in which baseball isn’t played, and he just happened to be traded. There is no way to justify that.
And, I’ll end with: The Red Sox have a better system than the Yankees.
maybe if they ranked yankees prospects higher you wouldn’t be all wahhh vizcaino is ranked too high
\ig’nant’d
Very, very well-stated.
Because players dont get scouted all yr round and opinions dont matter from scouts and execs dont matter??
Maybe his getting traded lead to more discussion and input from scouts on him.
They do this for a living, yet were spurred on to investigate a top 100 prospect because he was traded? If they didn’t know him already, they are absolutely terrible at their jobs, which just may be the case.
Because players dont get scouted all yr round and opinions dont matter from scouts and execs dont matter??
Maybe his getting traded lead to more discussion and input from scouts on him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reach
You’re silly. Can we hang out?
Another list which shows how lacking the Yankees have been in bringing premium talent in the past 3 yrs.
An organization with the resources the Yankees have and supposed talent in the FO should dominate these.
You cannot miss on some many drfat choices every yr.
Heh.
Maybe the Yankees farm is full of awesome talents, only we don’t know it because the players in our farm haven’t been scouted year round enough yet and there’s not enough discussion and input on them yet.
Let’s trade our entire farm system to the Braves, and then trade them all back. Perhaps that second set of scouting eyes during the winter (when scouts continue scouting said players year round, even though they’re generally not pitching or hitting any balls anywhere) will add more discussion and more input on the players and we can get a better, more accurate picture of them.
More eloquently said than my “Heh.”, but the contradiction in that post was laughable.
http://tinyurl.com/yzzuyvq (Safe)
It took me a second, but IETC.
I really enjoyed this comment. So much so that I refused to respond with an acronym. I spelt that shite owt!
tl:dr
for some reason the “drfat” typo is making me giggle like a silly little girl.
I’m sure next year will be better.
yes, yes it will…not because i give a crap about our prospects, but it will be because some will say ‘now batting for the New York Yankeeeeees, number 101, HEYZOOS….MONTERO-oh-oh-oh’
and that, my friend, is the definition of better.