BP’s Top 101 Prospects List

Spring Training Game Thread: Starting From The Top
Guest Post: Baseball, the Yankees and the Great Depression

Kevin Goldstein at Baseball Prospectus posted his list of the top 101 prospects in the game today, with Jesus Montero checking in at number four overall. He trailed only Stephen Strasburg, Jason Heyward, and Neftali Feliz, and was one spot ahead of Mike Stanton. No other Yankee farmhands made the list, which isn’t a total surprise, though former Yanks’ Arodys Vizcaino and Austin Jackson checked in at numbers 45 and 49, respectively. I’m sure next year will be better.

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Spring Training Game Thread: Starting From The Top
Guest Post: Baseball, the Yankees and the Great Depression
  • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

    Too high on Vizcaino, embarrassingly too high on Westmoreland (14).

    BP is adrift.

    • Thomas

      Agreed. How can the have Westmoreland over Matusz and Smoak (among others)?

      • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

        Smoak’s value has gone down ever since the Red Sox refused to give up Brad Penny for him. If Boston doesn’t want him, there must be something wrong.

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

          IETC

        • Chris C.

          I CANNOT BELIEVE you people are arguing about minor league rankings. Unreal. Like you actually have any real insight to your opinions, or that this nonsense actually matters. What are Brandon Claussen, Todd Van Poppel, Paul Wilson, Alex Achoa, and Dewan Brazleton doing these days? And where was Robbie Cano ranked on a prospect list? Last time he made the news before playing for the Yankees, Cashman was begging Arizona to take him instead of Brad Halsey in the RJ deal! And the Yankees referred to Austin Jackson as a younger version of Granderson, with a higher ceiling. Then they dealt him for Granderson!!

          So…….NONE OF THIS SHIT MATTERS!!!

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      14?

      FOURTEEN?!??!??!??!?!?

      MULTIPLE INTERROBANGS?!?!??!??!

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      Vizcaino is 19, hasn’t thrown more than 44 innings at any level and hasn’t faced anything better than NY-Penn League hitters. How the hell is he 45? He wasn’t even a five-star prospect until he was traded from the Yanks to the Braves, according to Goldstein.

      • K.B.D.

        I thought he went 4-star to 5-star when he got traded?

        • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

          Three. He went from three-star in 09 to five-star this year.

          • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

            Sorry, he was 3 star on 2/09 and then 4 star in 12/09

        • Thomas

          Yeah, he is listed as 5-star for the Braves.

      • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

        That’s what drove me crazy about Vizcaino. He got no love from BP until he moved to the Braves. Vizcaino’s ranking this time last year in the Yankees’ Top 11: 5.

        • bexarama

          so much this.

        • Thomas

          Well to be fair, this year, BP had Vizciano listed as the second best prospect in the Yankees system (though he did move from 4 to 5 stars by being traded).

        • Bo

          And a scouting service cant change their rankings over time???

          Isnt that the point?

          • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

            Sure. Please explain to me what factors, apart from getting traded, could cause BP to change their ranking between December of 2009 and February of 2010. I’m really looking forward to your explanation.

            • DP: The Triple Entrendre

              (holds breath)

              (passes out and dies)

              • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

                If we all hold our breaths, it’s going to be like Jonestown in here.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  Perhaps that’s his master plan.

            • Bo

              He played short season ball.

              Maybe just maybe they actually talked to more scouts about him and respect the Atl scouts opinion and moved him up accordingly.

              And also talked to the Yankees scouts who reluctantly included him.

              Wow!

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                He played short season ball.

                That short season ball didn’t happen between December of 2009 and February of 2010.

                And if a conversation with a scout during the past few months cause BP to dramatically increase their outlook on him, they should have mentioned it.

      • K.B.D.

        http://baseballprospectus.com/.....cleid=9872

        12/22/09: Arodys is a 4-star prospect.

        http://baseballprospectus.com/.....cleid=9968

        1/21/10: Arodys is a 5-star prospect.

        What a month!

        • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

          One thing to note is that the star rankings aren’t absolute in their value. Goldstein said somewhere that there isn’t comparability year to year, and that he tries to hit “quotas” for 5-star prospects, 4-star prospects, etc. This is, obviously, dumb, and he said he would consider changing it in the future.

          Wish I had a link. Sorry. It’s on the internet somewhere.

          • K.B.D.

            “This is, obviously, dumb…”

            That.

          • K.B.D.

            What makes even less sense to me is that the Yankees only had one 5-star prospect in Jesus Montero, the same as the Braves with Jason Heyward. Yet, for some reason, he needs to fill the 5-star quota for the Braves, but not the Yanks? Color me confused.

            • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

              Yeah, and I’m not even sure that he filled up the Braves quota. In other words, his quota may be a yearly “5 star” quota, not a team quota. If this is the case, and I believe it is, then bumping Arodys to a 5 from a 4 after he got traded is…difficult to defend.

            • Thomas

              I think it is quotas throughout all the minors, not within each organization. So if Goldstein wants 50 five star players, he could choose all 50 five stars from the Yankees’ system and none from the rest of the teams, vice versa, or somewhere in the middle.

              Of course, this doesn’t excuse the stupidity of quota or the increasing of Vizciano’s star power.

              • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

                Of course, this doesn’t excuse the stupidity of quota or the increasing of Vizciano’s star power.

                Right. And actually, it makes it worse.

      • Dave M

        I guess he improved by going to the Braves.

  • Salty Buggah

    Ugh, the people at BP are on crack. Westmoreland at 14? What a joke.

    • Salty Buggah

      And waaaaay too low on Casey Kelly. 30? Are you kidding. Kelly ? Strasburg

      • Salty Buggah

        Damn, the greater than or equal to sign didn’t work. It showed in the preview though

  • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

    Hey kids!

    Thanks for giving us your $40 for a yearlong subscription to Baseball Prospectus. As a member, you get access to our super-magic double-cool PECOTA! Here is the first edition!

    /releases first edition, puts Yankees, Red Sox and Rays in first place tie

    Whoops! Looks like that was a bit premature! Bear with us while we work the bugs out. Here is version 2!

    /puts Red Sox in first, Yankees in second, Rays in third

    Whoa there! Didn’t meant to do that! Here’s the third version. Keep in mind that we’re going to be releasing a new, updated version every day for the rest of the year.

    /aaaand i cancel my subscription

    • bexarama

      hahaha IETC.

      I know we like to make jokes about Casey Kelly, but he’s a better prospect than Westmoreland, right? Yeesh.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        Exactly. No matter how highly or lowly you feel they should be ranked, Kelly should be ranked higher than Westmoreland.

    • Bo

      I expect if they were more complimentary to Yankee prospects you wouldnt have these jokes.

      • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

        They ranked Montero #4. This isn’t a Yankees-Red Sox problem. This is a problem with consistency and accuracy.

  • AndrewYF

    I think BP got caught up in all the “Well, Westmoreland COULD be a top ten prospect next year”, and decided to jump the gun. Because if he does deserve it, BP can say “told ya so!”, and if he doesn’t, well, prospecting is hard, ‘kay?

    Man, this was a fast and hard fall for BP.

    • Bo

      It’s a fall because they are high on a Sox prospect??

      Really?

      • bexarama

        It’s a fall because they ranked Westmoreland so high. Did you miss that Montero was #4? It’s not a Yankees/Red Sox thing. It’s that Kelly, for all the jokes we make about him, would deserve that #14 spot more than Westmoreland.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

          That.

          If Kelly was #14 and Westmoreland #30, it would be much, much more palatable.

      • Templeton “Brendog” Peck

        as usual you have no idea what youre talking about or even how this works and are for some reason ewither refusing to read what everyone else is saying or unable to comprehend the message being conveyed.

        see your buddy eric’s post above saying that no matter where westmoreland and kely are ranked kelly should be above westmoreland in every and any way.

  • Reggie C.

    Did Anthony Rizzo crack the top 50? That would be hilarious.

    I would’ve though Man-Ban could be a sleeper who would come in at least the bottom of a Top 101 prospects list.

  • Bo

    Shocked that Brackman didnt make another top 100 list.

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona

      “It’s not you fault” *Hugs*

      /Dr. Maguire’d

      • pat

        Hahaha.

    • Thomas

      Prediction: Next year, Andrew Brackman will be ranked right around Casey Kelly on these lists.

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

        No way. Casey Kelly will be taking his seat on the Supreme Court by the time Brackman can even find home plate. Get with it, man!

    • Jack

      Dude why do you hate Brackman so much? What has he ever done to you?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        I’d say “this will end badly”, but it probably won’t end at all.

        • Jack

          TWSS?

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

          It will end 12 hours from now.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            Long after all of us have forgotten the question was asked, shrouded in the anonymity of the ethereal past.

      • Tom Zig

        Brackman kicked his dog and then peed on his front lawn.

  • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

    Laird really hit that shit.

    /EddieHousesaywhat

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

      Shit, wrong thread. My bad.

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        Serve him a drink Tommie.

  • Hughesus Christo

    PECOTA is broken, these rankings suck, and BP is in a tailspin. Apparently Nate SIlver was LeBronning that entire operation.

  • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

    The Red Sox have a better system than the Yankees.

    Now that I’ve gotten that out of the way, Baseball Prospectus loses all credibility when Vizcaino’s status can jump so much in a month in which baseball isn’t played, and he just happened to be traded. There is no way to justify that.

    And, I’ll end with: The Red Sox have a better system than the Yankees.

    • Templeton “Brendog” Peck

      maybe if they ranked yankees prospects higher you wouldn’t be all wahhh vizcaino is ranked too high

      \ig’nant’d

    • bexarama

      Very, very well-stated.

    • Bo

      Because players dont get scouted all yr round and opinions dont matter from scouts and execs dont matter??

      Maybe his getting traded lead to more discussion and input from scouts on him.

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        They do this for a living, yet were spurred on to investigate a top 100 prospect because he was traded? If they didn’t know him already, they are absolutely terrible at their jobs, which just may be the case.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        Because players dont get scouted all yr round and opinions dont matter from scouts and execs dont matter??

        Maybe his getting traded lead to more discussion and input from scouts on him.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reach

      • Tom Zig

        You’re silly. Can we hang out?

  • Bo

    Another list which shows how lacking the Yankees have been in bringing premium talent in the past 3 yrs.

    An organization with the resources the Yankees have and supposed talent in the FO should dominate these.

    You cannot miss on some many drfat choices every yr.

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

      Heh.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      Maybe the Yankees farm is full of awesome talents, only we don’t know it because the players in our farm haven’t been scouted year round enough yet and there’s not enough discussion and input on them yet.

      Let’s trade our entire farm system to the Braves, and then trade them all back. Perhaps that second set of scouting eyes during the winter (when scouts continue scouting said players year round, even though they’re generally not pitching or hitting any balls anywhere) will add more discussion and more input on the players and we can get a better, more accurate picture of them.

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        More eloquently said than my “Heh.”, but the contradiction in that post was laughable.

      • Thomas
        • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

          It took me a second, but IETC.

      • Tank the Frank

        I really enjoyed this comment. So much so that I refused to respond with an acronym. I spelt that shite owt!

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

          tl:dr

    • bexarama

      for some reason the “drfat” typo is making me giggle like a silly little girl.

  • king of fruitless hypotheticals

    I’m sure next year will be better.

    yes, yes it will…not because i give a crap about our prospects, but it will be because some will say ‘now batting for the New York Yankeeeeees, number 101, HEYZOOS….MONTERO-oh-oh-oh’

    and that, my friend, is the definition of better.