Open Thread: Pitchers staying in rhythm


Today’s rainout apparently messed up the Yanks’ pitching schedule pretty badly. They were looking at other teams for possible split-squad situations, but apparently found no takers. To keep everyone pitching they’ll have an intrasquad game tomorrow morning, followed by the regularly scheduled game, a 1 p.m. affair against the Phillies which will air on YES and ESPN.

In the intrasquad game Andy Pettitte, Mariano Rivera, and Damaso Marte will face Joba Chamberlain, Chan Ho Park, and David Robertson. A.J. Burnett will start the game against the Phillies in Clearwater, and Phil Hughes will close the game. Burnett threw just 2.1 innings his last time around, using 66 pitches, so he might only be going four tomorrow. Hughes went four last time, and could go as many as five in relief, if they need the bottom of the ninth.

Oh, and in case you hadn’t heard, Joe Mauer signed an eight-year, $184 million extension with the Twins. Our hypothetical from this week will remain just that.

That’s it for today, though. We’ve got the open thread, though, so kick back and relax for the evening.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. bexarama says:

    waaah sob I don’t understand why we didn’t trade Mitre for Mauer Cashman you’re an idiot we’re never winning again!!!

    Does that cover it?

  2. I’m glad to see Mauer stay in Minny. He belongs there, and it’s good for Baseball. Knowing a bit about his agent, this was the expected outcome.

  3. Drew says:

    Not only is the extension super risky in that if he gets hurt they are screwed.
    What if his power surge was an anomaly? You still have a hell of a player, just not quite as valuable.

    • Add in this, he’s never played a single game in that new ballpark. Will he be the same there? Nobody knows, since nobody knows how that place will play yet.

      One thing we do know, it gets REALLY cold at night in Minnesota in April.

    • I’m worried about this too. Also, don’t forget he’s likely to lose 60-ish points off his OPS just because he’s unlikely to hit .365 again.

      • WIlliam says:

        That doesn’t mean he doesn’t remain a 340 hitter.

        • Maybe, but very few hitters have the skill to hit for such a high batting average every year. Mauer’s career BA is “just” .327. A return to that number would lower his OPS by almost 80 points.

          • JGS says:

            .951 is still unbelievably ridiculous for a catcher

            • Drew says:

              Back to the original point. Slugging.

              • JGS says:

                his slugging is higher on the road and home runs are split 50/50. The Metrodome has mostly tended toward a pitchers’ park, maybe Target Field plays smaller. We don’t know yet

                • Drew says:

                  The original point was that maybe his power surge was an anomaly. Nothing to do with the park.

                • bexarama says:

                  I really like Mauer, but HR/FB% since 2005 (when he became a pretty much full-time catcher):
                  2005: 8.7% (9 HR)
                  2006: 10.8% (13 HR)
                  2007: 7.2% (7 HR)
                  2008: 6.5% (9 HR)
                  2009: 20.4% (28 HR)

                  I think the average HR/FB% is something around 10.5%? So he was getting a little unlucky in past years, but he’s probably not likely to repeat his 2009, which was incredibly lucky.

                  Now he’s still had MVP-worthy seasons, namely 2006 and 2008, but I dunno if he’s gonna have a year like 2009. He’ll still be an elite hitter, especially for a catcher.

                • JGS says:

                  at the same time, 15 of his homers would have been out of 25 parks, 23 would have been out of 20, and only one would have been out of fewer than 10–average distance was 396, its not like he had a ton of cheapies.

                  I’m not entirely sure what that means relative to how fluky his HR/FB was, but I thought it was interesting

              • For Minnesota’s sake, I hope Mauer’s power increase from last season was real.

                His ISO in 2009 was .222, while his career ISO is .156. Combining the possible power decrease and the likely batting average regression doesn’t paint quite as pretty a picture as most people think.

                • ledavidisrael says:

                  Dave Cameron said the deal values him as a 6 win player.

                  A level he has hit twice before without the power that arrived last year.

  4. pat says:

    Crazy tournament so far. Those smart kids at Cornell can ball.

    • andrew says:

      It’s rare that you have a recruiting class like they did where they all pan out. And then you get a pretty big time transfer. I’m assuming they’ll be back at the middle of the pack in the Ivies next year with Princeton and Harvard at the top; it’s tough to keep going after losing 7 of their top 8.

  5. I’m not sure how many fine arts fans we have at RAB, but the Marina Abramovic exhibit at MoMA is way, way awesome.

    Also, Syracuse kicks ass.

  6. Sorry to self-promote, but did anyone else hear Jack Curry on the rain out coverage? He said this-

    Between that and the weird Joba-Mo quotes, the beat reporters have some following up to do.

  7. Oh, and in case you hadn’t heard, Joe Mauer signed an eight-year, $184 million extension with the Twins. Our hypothetical from this week will remain just that.

    First Dan Gladden and Kent Hrbek, then Nathan and Morneau, now Mauer… those damn Twins keep throwing their financial muscle around, trying to buy championships and pushing all the small-market little fish around the pond. The Twins and their deep-pocketed, Goliath Pohlad bankroll are all that’s wrong with baseball.

    John “David” Henry
    Owner (as long as “The Man” allows him to remain so) of the 17th-place media market Boston UnderdogSox

    • WIlliam says:


    • Every time someone says that MLB should contract certain teams because they “can’t compete,” they should be reminded that the Twins were almost contracted in 2001 and in 2010 they gave a player an 8 year, $184 million contract extension.

      Keep things in perspective and don’t be myopic. Lather, rinse, repeat.

      • Lather, rinse, repeat.

        She gave a big grin, I knew that she was with it
        We stepped off and we Niked (huh?) We just did it
        Boots were kind of fly, yeah, I like the way they fitted
        Honey was the woman and to her I did admit it
        Lathered up the nuts and I changed my shoes
        Took off the browns and put on the blues
        Sweetie, um, the paper called–the Daily News
        And today’s headline reads: Here You Can’t Snooze


      • Every time someone says that MLB should contract certain teams because they “can’t compete,” they should be reminded that the Twins were almost contracted in 2001 and in 2010 they gave a player an 8 year, $184 million contract extension.

        While I agree with your larger point (that teams in economic/competitive/logistical dire straits are not irrevocably in those dire straits and thus the contraction calls are almost always overreactions), there’s a huge asterisk on your statement:

        The Twins were in line for contraction not because they were a perpetually bad team that the league universally viewed as a non-competitive doormat (i.e., the normal way a team would be bullseyed as a candidate for contraction), but rather were in line for contraction because Bud Selig asked his good friend and ally Carl Pohlad to volunteer to have his team assassinated, even though they weren’t on life support (and really weren’t even sick).

        The Twins being “almost contracted” is not the same as the Marlins, Rays, Expos, or any number of other teams being “almost contracted”. The Twins were on the verge of contraction for entirely artificial and unnatural reasons. They weren’t a chronically bankrupt or dysfunctional franchise that was in danger of folding; their “close call” was a perversion of an overzealous commissioner/owner tag team trying to strike a philosophical blow in the ongoing labor/management war.

        • Yeah, that’s a good point. It’s not a totally bad comparison, since in 2000-2001 the Twins might not have been chosen for contraction because they were an unsustainable franchise but because some people thought MLB simply couldn’t sustain itself in its current, 30-team form… So you still have an example of a group of people jumping to a conclusion and considering contraction unnecessarily as, since that time, MLB enjoyed it’s most successful decade financially. So yeah, you’re totally right that the Twins aren’t a good example of a team being mistaken for an unsustainable franchise, but I think the point still stands in a different sense.

    • bexarama says:

      The thing is, if Mauer had gone to free agency and the Red Sox had signed him for however many years/a billion dollars, we’d hear about how smart Theo and Henry are. If he’d gone to the Yankees for an equal number of years/an equal number of dollars, there’d be PANIC!!! SALARY CAP!!! REALIGNMENT!!!!

  8. Darrelle Edwards says:

    I’ve got the 3rd overall pick in a fantasy draft tonight—and Hanley’s going first, followed by Pujols.

    Any suggestions on my first pick here at No. 3?

  9. Reggie C. says:

    We could blame this:March 17th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

  10. Joba Chamberlain, some unspecified time in the past few days (not immediately after an ST appearance, not while being directly interviewed by a reporter, simply an overheard, non-contextualized conversation):

    Joba (to Mo, smiling): You’ve got to pass the torch, four-two!
    Mo (to Joba, smiling): Your time will come.
    Joba (to Mo, smiling): You might be 50! I might be done by then.
    Mo (to Joba, smiling): Then it’ll still come.
    Joba (to someone else, smiling): “He might pitch until he’s 106.


    Joba Chamberlain, four days ago (after his most recent ST appearance, which was solid, while directly being interviewed by a reporter about the 5th starter competition that he’s been told he’s a part of):

    I’m going to fight with all my heart and everything I’ve got to try to win that [5th starter] job and try to help this team win. That’s something that I want to do, to get that opportunity to hopefully not have innings restrictions, and we’ll go from there.;c_id=nyy

    This idea that that ex-parte convo between Mo and Joba is some sort of “proof” that Joba “doesn’t want to start, wants to close” is ri-god-damn-diculous.

  11. Getting to know Kevin Towers

    Sounds to me like he’s very big on assessing work ethic and character as much as skills. Figuring that those are the guys who are most likely to reach their ceiling.

  12. bexarama says:

    Heh, from Newsday. Let’s all remember, however annoying the OMG FIFTH STARTER! debate, how lucky we are:

    Here are the last 10 pitchers who were the Yankees’ fifth starter out of spring training: Chamberlain, Ian Kennedy, Darrell Rasner, Jaret Wright, Kevin Brown, Jorge DePaula, Jeff Weaver, Orlando Hernandez, Christian Parker, Ramiro Mendoza.

  13. YankeesJunkie says:

    Mauer is probably pretty happy being 184 million dollars richer. It is a good deal for Minnesota, but more importantly was a needed deal for Minnesota.

  14. Zack says:

    So do I have to constantly hear over the next 8 years that Mauer is the ‘anti-Yankee’ because he took a ‘hometown discount’ that netted him the 4th highest contract ever and is the 2nd highest player in the game on average salary?

  15. baseballnation says:

    So I was was way off with Kansas winning the whole thing but My vote on Cornell is makin me look very good! Whats the over and under there chances of beating Kentucky?

    • Dirty Entendre says:

      4%. With George Mason being the notable exception, these Cinderellas usually fare piss poor the 2nd weekend.

      • andrew says:

        I’d put it a bit higher than 4%. This is a very experienced and talented Cornell team. They made the top 25 earlier in the year, which I know is not the only factor here, but they definitely have the talent to beat Kentucky. Cornell was a bounce or two away from beating Kansas, everyone’s favorite, at home. Cornell will be playing in Syracuse, essentially a home game. I’d probably give them a 20% chance of winning.

  16. JGS says:

    Ok, so Cot’s has the Twins at $94.7M for 2010, and assuming Mauer’s contract has every year at the AAV and they pick up their options on Kubel and Punto, they are at about $82M for:

    Mauer, Morneau, Nathan, Cuddyer, Kubel, Punto, Baker, Harris, Blackburn, and Span.

    That’s before arbitration raises to their nine arbitration-eligible players and possible resigning of free agents like Guerrier, Crain, and Rauch.

    They will be over $100M in 2011 with a second-year stadium in a weak division. Small market underdogs indeed

  17. My new 4-round mock, completed today (altered by things like the Charlie Whitehurst, Kamerion Wimbley, and Darryl Tapp trades, as well as the constantly-evolving prospect grades as school pro days are held):

    Round 1
    1. Rams – QB Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
    2. Lions – DT Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska
    3. Buccaneers – DT Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma
    4. Redskins – QB Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame
    5. Chiefs – S Eric Berry, Tennessee
    6. Seahawks – T Russell Okung, Oklahoma State
    7. Browns – CB Joe Haden, Florida
    8. Raiders – T Bruce Campbell, Maryland
    9. Bills – T Anthony Davis, Rutgers
    10. Jaguars – S Taylor Mays, USC
    11. Broncos (from CHI) – ILB Rolando McClain, Alabama
    12. Dolphins – EgRsh Jason Pierre-Paul, South Florida
    13. 49′ers – T Trent Williams, Oklahoma
    14. Seahawks (from DEN) – WR Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State
    15. Giants – DT Brian Price, UCLA
    16. Titans – EgRsh Derrick Morgan, Georgia Tech
    17. 49′ers (from CAR) – RB C.J. Spiller, Clemson
    18. Steelers – G Mike Iupati, Idaho
    19. Falcons – DE Everson Griffen, USC
    20. Texans – CB Kareem Jackson Alabama,
    21. Bengals – TE Jermaine Gresham, Oklahoma
    22. Patriots – EgRsh Brandon Graham, Michigan
    23. Packers – T Bryan Bulaga, Iowa
    24. Eagles – OLB Sergio Kindle, Texas
    25. Ravens – DT Dan Williams, Tennessee
    26. Cardinals – EgRsh Jerry Hughes, TCU
    27. Cowboys – S Earl Thomas, Texas
    28. Chargers – RB Ryan Mathews, Fresno State
    29. Jets – WR Arrelious Benn, Illinois
    30. Vikings – CB Kyle Wilson, Boise State
    31. Colts – C Maurkice Pouncey, Florida
    32. Saints – DT Jared Odrick, Penn State

    Round 2
    33. Rams – DE Carlos Dunlap, Florida
    34. Lions – T Charles Brown, USC
    35. Buccaneers – WR Demaryius Thomas, Georgia Tech
    36. Chiefs – DT Cam Thomas, North Carolina
    37. Redskins – G/T Vladimir Ducasse, Umass
    38. Browns – EgRsh Ricky Sapp, Clemson
    39. Raiders – OLB Sean Weatherspoon, Missouri
    40. Chargers (from SEA) – DT Terrence Cody, Alabama
    41. Bills – WR Golden Tate, Notre Dame
    42. Buccaneers (from CHI) – CB Devin McCourty, Rutgers
    43. Dolphins – WR Dezmon Briscoe, Kansas
    44. Patriots (from JAX) – DT Lamarr Houston, Texas
    45. Broncos – G Jon Asamoah, Illinois
    46. Giants – ILB Brandon Spikes, Florida
    47. Patriots (from TEN) – WR Damian Williams, USC
    48. Panthers – DT Tyson Alualu, California
    49. 49′ers – CB Patrick Robinson, Florida State
    50. Chiefs (from ATL) – T Rodger Saffold, Indiana
    51. Texans – S Nate Allen, South Florida
    52. Steelers – CB/S Chris Cook, Virginia
    53. Patriots – RB Jahvid Best, California
    54. Bengals – OLB Navorro Bowman, Penn State
    55. Eagles – G Zane Beadles, Utah
    56. Packers – EgRsh Brandon Lang, Troy
    57. Ravens – TE Aaron Hernandez, Florida
    58. Cardinals – ILB Sean Lee, Penn State
    59. Cowboys – T Selvish Capers, West Virginia
    60. Seahawks (from SD) – S Chad Jones, LSU
    61. Jets – DE Corey Wooton, Northwestern
    62. Vikings – QB Colt McCoy, Texas
    63. Colts – T Edwin Veldheer, Hillsdale
    64. Saints – OLB Thaddeus Gibson, Ohio State

    Round 3
    65. Rams – TE Rob Gronkowski, Arizona
    66. Lions – CB Perrish Cox, Oklahoma State
    67. Buccaneers – DE Alex Carrington, Arkansas State
    WAS pick forfeited
    68. Chiefs – EgRsh Nawa’akoa Misi, Utah
    69. Raiders – RB Dexter McCluster, Mississippi
    70. Eagles (from SEA) – C Justin Walton, Baylor
    71. Browns – QB Tony Pike, Cincinnati
    72. Bills – EgRsh Greg Hardy, Mississippi
    73. Dolphins – DT Al Woods, LSU
    74. Jaguars – G John Jerry, Mississippi
    75. Bears – WR Mike Williams, Syracuse
    76. Giants – OLB Daryl Washington, TCU
    77. Titans – CB Javier Arenas, Alabama
    78. Panthers – WR Mardy Gilyard, Cincinnati
    79. 49′ers – EgRsh Jason Worilds, Virginia Tech
    80. Broncos – WR Brandon LaFell, LSU
    81. Texans – RB Montario Hardesty, Tennessee
    82. Steelers – QB Tim Tebow, Florida
    83. Falcons – OLB Eric Norwood, South Carolina
    84. Bengals – S Reshad Jones, Georgia
    85. Browns (from NE via OAK) – WR Taylor Price, Ohio
    86. Packers – CB Donovan Warren, Michigan
    87. Eagles – ILB Patrick Angerer, Iowa
    88. Cardinals (from BAL) – T Adam Ulatoski, Texas
    89. Cardinals – CB Amari Spievey, Iowa
    90. Cowboys – WR Jordan Shipley, Texas
    91. Chargers – S Larry Asante, Nebraska
    92. Browns (from NYJ) – EgRsh Lindsey Witten, Connecticut
    93. Vikings – DT Arthur Jones, Syracuse
    94. Colts – DT Michael Neal, Purdue
    95. Saints – DE Austen Lane, Murray State

    Round 4
    96. Rams – DT Vince Oghobaase, Duke
    97. Lions – RB Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech
    98. Buccaneers – T Tony Washington, Abilene Christian
    99. Chiefs – ILB Roddrick Muckelroy, Texas
    100. Redskins – T Jason Fox, Miami (FL)
    101. Seahawks – RB Joe McKnight, USC
    102. Browns – DT Geno Atkins, Georgia
    103. Raiders – CB Dominique Franks, Oklahoma
    104. Bills – QB Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan
    105. Jaguars – OLB Jermaine Cunningham, Florida
    106. Bears – T Sam Young, Notre Dame
    107. Dolphins – CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Indiana (PA)
    108. Titans – C John Estes, Hawaii
    109. Panthers – G Mike Johnson, Alabama
    110. 49′ers – S Myron Rolle, Florida State
    111. Broncos – EgRsh George Selvie, South Florida
    112. Giants – RB Ben Tate, Auburn
    113. Steelers – ILB Jamar Chaney, Mississippi State
    114. Falcons – WR Eric Decker, Minnesota
    115. Texans – G Mitch Petrus, Arkansas
    116. Patriots – TE Anthony McCoy, USC
    117. Bengals – G Chris Scott, Tennessee
    118. Seahawks (from PHI) – CB Jerome Murphy, South Florida
    119. Packers – S Major Wright, Florida
    120. Cardinals (from BAL) – C Theodore Larsen, NC State
    121. Jets (from AZ) – S T.J. Ward, Oregon
    122. Cowboys – ILB Darryl Sharpton, Miami (FL)
    123. Chargers – RB Anthony Dixon, Mississippi State
    124. Eagles (from NYJ) – DE Davis Hall, Louisiana-Lafayette
    125. Vikings – T Kyle Calloway, Iowa
    126. Colts – CB Trevard Lindley, Kentucky
    127. Saints – RB Charles Scott, LSU

  18. T-Dubs says:

    Can’t stay and chat tonight but wanted to drop this link in case no one else has seen it yet. Excuse the repeat if someone else posted already:

  19. bexarama says:

    Harold Reynolds is a bad analyst

    • JGS says:

      The Pope is Catholic

    • bexarama says:

      also, I just noticed Lester has a 5.54 ERA in spring training. This is unacceptable. Clearly he doesn’t really want to be a starter. To the pen!

      And for those of you who didn’t see it:
      Boston IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
      Lester 5.1 5 3 3 0 7 1 5.54
      Okajima (H, 3) 0.2 1 1 1 0 0 1 3.18
      ** Papelbon (BS, 1)(L, 0-1) 0.1 5 6 5 1 0 0 7.11 **
      Ramirez, Ramon S. 0.2 0 0 0 0 1 0 11.57
      Bard, D 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.50

      • JGS says:

        Lester had a 5.65 ERA until June last year. Then he was ridiculous

        as for Papelbon, he is a selfish money-grubber who will probably be traded for Joe Mauer and Adrian Gonzalez. Daniel Bard is the closer of the future

        • WIlliam says:

          Is the Lester thing true?

        • bexarama says:

          Beckett had a weird season

          - he started off the year with a 7-inning, 1-run performance against Tampa and everyone freaked out over it
          - then his ERA was up to over 7 by the end of April
          - through May, June, and July his ERA was 2.43. In May and June it was 1.94
          - and then, his ERA from August on: 4.60
          - his ERA from August 18 on: 6.02

          • JGS says:

            Don’t forget 5.40 in the playoffs

            but he’s the best postseason pitcher ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • bexarama says:

              Heh. Josh Beckett: Because Julio Lugo is like the same as Hanley Ramirez, right?

              • JGS says:

                eh–it’s easy for Theo to say he wouldn’t have done it had he been in charge at the time, but Major League Hanley >>>>>>>>>>> Minor League Hanley, and the Sox won the Series in 2007 largely because Beckett was money that whole season and even more so in the playoffs.

                • bexarama says:

                  As someone else here said once (Steve H.? Sorry if it was someone else), Beckett was amazing in the 2007 postseason, but he didn’t necessarily have to be. They swept both the Angels and the Rockies, and in the games he won against the Indians, the Sox scored 10 and 7 runs.

                  No arguments he was very very good in that regular season. But Hanley put up a 145 OPS+ in a position where they have not had any sort of stability or real production since Nomahhhh.

                  It definitely wasn’t an awful trade, but I’m much happier the Sox have Beckett and Lowell than Hanley.

                • Tom Zig says:

                  I’m much happier the Sox have Beckett and Lowell than Hanley.

                  My thoughts exactly.

                • JGS says:

                  true, but Lowell hit .353/.410/.608/1.018 for that whole playoffs, and he, Manny (1.160), and Ortiz (1.204), and Youkilis (1.230) and…holy shit, the Sox offense went nuts in the 2007 playoffs

                • Mike Pop says:

                  The best way to look at it is that Beckett and Lowell helped the Sox remain competitive for the last 3 years and Beckett will help them for the next 4 or 5 years probably.

                  But Hanley would give them the opportunity to compete for a longer period of time I guess? Maybe they don’t win in 07 with Hanley, but they are better suited for the future?

                  I doubt anybody in that trade regrets it. Worked out.

                • bexarama says:

                  Sad facts from the 2007 World Series -

                  Red Sox batting: .333/.411/.525/.936
                  Rockies batting: .218/.283/.346/.629

                  Boston pitching:
                  2.50 ERA, 36 K/10 BB, 1.083 WHIP
                  Rockies pitching:
                  7.68 ERA, 20 K/19 BB, 1.941 WHIP

                  Thanks for showing up, Colorado :|

                • JGS says:

                  eh–they had nine days off prior to Game 1. Besides, how could they be expected to take down a team with Beckett and Schilling?

                • bexarama says:

                  Scrappiness? Oh wait no one is scrappy and underdog-gy except the Red Sox.

                  It’s a good thing I was in Spain during the 2007 playoffs or I would have wanted to shoot something.

                • JGS says:

                  nice. I was in Israel for 2004. I consider this one of the best developments in my life as a fan

    • bexarama says:

      Oh my God he just said “I think A-Rod will relax and become a good player” O_O

      • Jose says:

        Maybe he will during the regular season. I just can’t ever imagine him relaxing and being any good during the postseason. New York is too big market for him.

  20. danny says:

    ugh baseball season can not come soon enough! the heart-breaking Maryland loss combined with the fail of the Giants season,makes me miss the Yankees even more

  21. Ivan says:

    I gotta say its pretty good for baseball that Joe Maur is pretty much going to a twin for the rest of his life…good for them.

  22. Drew says:

    Do you feel, right now, confident that it’s going to happen, that you’re going to get to the big leagues?
    Montero: Oh yeah. I think this year I’m going to be there. I’m going to do the best in Scranton, so this year, I’m going to say, I’m going to be there.


  23. BigBlueAL says:

    Not gonna lie, wouldve been pretty cool to have seen both Hughes and Joba pitch tomorrow vs the Phills since it is on ESPN and I will be able to watch the game. I think Heyman is an idiot too but gotta be honest why the hell would you have Joba pitch in an intrasquad game when he is supposedly in competition for the 5th spot.

    I understand AJ needs to pitch in a real game too so the rainout today really did screw them up but still interesting decision to have Joba pitch in the intrasquad and not Hughes. Whatever hopefully by the end of this week we will finally have a resolution to the 5th starter debate.

    • Mike Pop says:

      Hopefully it’s Joba. Or this place will go apeshit (rightfully so).

    • I think Heyman is an idiot too but gotta be honest why the hell would you have Joba pitch in an intrasquad game when he is supposedly in competition for the 5th spot.

      Because there’s absolutely, positively, 100% zero difference at all between an ST intrasquad game and an ST game against the Phillies. They’re identical. One is not more “prestigious” than the other. One does not mean more or count more than the other. They’re the same.

      Useful information that can be gleaned from the fact that Pettitte, Mo, Marte, Joba, Park, and D-Rob are pitching in the intrasquad game while AJ and Phil get the Phillies: zero

      • Jose says:

        Fact: All the pitchers in the intrasquad game have lost he 5th starter competition.

        Note: Actual facts may be misrepresented. Jose cannot be held accountable if Jon Heyman tweets this post.

      • BigBlueAL says:

        C’mon now, there is a difference when facing another team and a freakin intrasquad. Intrasquad games are a joke. ST games are a joke too but not that big of a joke especially when Joba is supposedly in a competition for a role on the team. If intrasquad games were the same as ST then why bother playing other teams in ST??? Just have a month of intrasquad games before the season.

        I believe the Yankees already know what they are doing (and having Joba pitch in the intrasquad game doesnt mean anything I agree) but all this has done is make this “competition” more of a joke than it already is/has been.

        • whozat says:

          “If intrasquad games were the same as ST then why bother playing other teams in ST??? Just have a month of intrasquad games before the season.”

          Because you’re not going to split your guys across two teams for a whole ST, but for one game it doesn’t really matter?

          Because that would drastically reduce ticket sales, and thus make cities uninteresting in being a spring training host — whereas now they will often help build facilities to attract a team?

        • Repeated for emphasis:

          Useful information that can be gleaned from the fact that Pettitte, Mo, Marte, Joba, Park, and D-Rob are pitching in the intrasquad game while AJ and Phil get the Phillies: zero

          • BigBlueAL says:

            What this all really means is the “competition” for the 5th starter = bullshit

            It was/shouldve been Joba from the beginning but this whole made up competition just to keep Joba motivated or something is clearly becoming a pile of crap.

            • Well, yes, I also think the 5th starter competition is a bullshit, sham quasi-competition, but that’s separate from the central fact here–the fact that the assignation of pitchers to either impromptu intrasquad games (to replace innings lost to rained out spring games) or regularly pre-scheduled games against other teams doesn’t provide a single shred of useful information about how the team feels about any number of players in any sort of competitions.

              It’s a non-story.

              • BigBlueAL says:

                Yeah that was never my problem, my problem was that if there is a so-called competition that to me putting Joba in an intrasquad game this late in ST when he is supposedly apparently still in a competition for the 5th starter spot looks stupid and is not surprising that rumors will of course come out of this arrangement.

                Whatever, its a slow, boring night so there needs to be something to complain about….

                • WIlliam says:

                  You could always complain about the ridicoulously long time it is taking to pass the Health care bill. I mean, does 40 hours of debate at the end of 17 months really accomplish anything. Everyone knows it will pass. Just do it already.

    • Fact: The intrasquad game is only being played because today’s game was canceled.

      Fact: Joba was scheduled to pitch in the canceled game.

      Fact: Hughes was scheduled to pitch against the Phillies.

      Fact: The pitchers who were scheduled to pitch in the canceled game were rescheduled to pitch in the intrasquad game.

      Therefore: Joba is pitching in the intrasquad game while Phil is pitching against the Phillies.

    • Drew says:

      By that way of thinking… How come Joba is starting, and Phil is pitching in relief! This is a non story that some people are making out to be an indication of what Cash and Co are thinking.

    • whozat says:

      “be honest why the hell would you have Joba pitch in an intrasquad game when he is supposedly in competition for the 5th spot.”

      Because, this way he faces some (large) subset of Jeter, ARod, Tex, Cano, Swisher, Granderson, and Johnson instead of whichever phillies minor leaguers happen to finish out the away game.

      Given that it’s probably more important to get Burnett going (and, probably, get him and Posada more time together) than nail down the 5th starter issue, this is probably the best they could do.

      • Chuck says:

        I agree if Joba can do a good job against the Yankees then that would help his case more than the phillies. Only thing is if the familiarity between teammates is a benefit for joba or the hitters.

  24. Life just seems like Planet Earth deleted scenes. Hoping it improves a bit…

  25. kunaldo says:

    Did you guys see Chad Jennings’ Five Quotes w/ Jesus Montero?

    My fav was the last:

    CJ: Do you feel, right now, confident that it’s going to happen, that you’re going to get to the big leagues?
    Montero: Oh yeah. I think this year I’m going to be there. I’m going to do the best in Scranton, so this year, I’m going to say, I’m going to be there.

    Love the confidence. I guess that should be expect when you’re dealing w/ The Jesus (Safe-ish, has an F bomb)

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