Mar
22

Yankees return Hoffmann to Dodgers

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Via LoHud, the Yankees have returned Rule 5 pick Jamie Hoffmann to the Dodgers. While the team could still send a player to the Dodgers for Hoffmann, based on numerous reports, the Yankees simply do not have a roster spot for him right now. Randy Winn has already made the team, and as George King reported this weekend, the Yankees are planning on taking Marcus Thames, currently signed to a minor league deal, north with them next week. Thames will reportedly play left field when the Yanks face southpaws, but with his suspect abilities in the outfield, I wonder if the team is willing to take that defensive risk two or three times a week.

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  • Chip

    O well, guess they didn’t like what they saw. Hey, maybe Colin “Babe Ruth” Curtis will make the team now! Or Greg “Rickey Henderson” Golson has a shot

    • Bo

      Nothing about marcus “joe dimaggio’ thames???

      • http://www.audiencesounds.com/ Templeton “Brendog” Peck

        no. because he sucks. and the dimaggio reference makes no sense.

        at least curtis is the ruth of ST and golson has hendersen like speed. your analogy = fail. just like marcus thames.

        • Thomas

          How about Marcus “Bam Bam” Thames.

          • http://www.audiencesounds.com/ Templeton “Brendog” Peck

            sold.

        • Bo

          Any moron who makes the analogy to ‘babe ruth’ about colin curtis already failed. But I dont expect you to follow that “brenddog”

      • Tom Zig

        Did you go on vacation? We missed you, Bo!

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

          He went to someplace he’d never been before. It’s called “the library”.

  • All Praise Be To Mo

    So I’m guessing this means Marcus Thames has made the team?

    • http://www.audiencesounds.com/ Templeton “Brendog” Peck

      does not compute to me but i guess this is where i have to say i have faith in the front office yada yada yada etc etc

      • OldYanksFan

        Ya have to guess the want a RH bat with some power. What other explaination is there?

        • All Praise Be To Mo

          I have an idea for a RH bat with power, Jesus Montero…

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            Patience, young padawan.

            • All Praise Be To Mo

              But the force is strong in that child…

      • Bo

        So never question the moves they make or why they make them?

        So why post here if you agree with everything?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

          So why post here if you agree with everything?

          ————

          2nd A.D.: Okay, you two. Just stand there, and react. Don’t say anything!
          [Points to Silent Bob]
          2nd A.D.: Especially you.
          Jay: [to Silent Bob] That’s pretty funny.

        • Tom Zig

          Now Mr. Bice I think you misunderstood what he was saying. What I believe my main man JSBrendog is saying is that he may not necessarily agree with the front office on this one, but he is willing to defer to their judgment because they have more information on these players than we can imagine. Like I imagine they have more than all the information of B-Ref and Fangraphs combined, x5. At least that’s why I put my faith in Cashman. I’m sure many of us feel the same.

          I’m not asking you to change your opinion. I’m just explaining why some of us aren’t being contrarian just for the sake of being contrarian.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            I still find it funny that Bo questioned why someone ELSE posts here with commentary that he thinks is uninformative, unoriginal, logically flawed, and generally worthless.

            Pot, meet kettle.

          • http://www.audiencesounds.com/ Templeton “Brendog” Peck

            this.

  • The Three Amigos

    I just think they were getting a right handed bat off the bench. I would be surprised to see Thames starting in LF, unless we were facing a really tough lefty, but I think Winn would get the start over him. This leaves Thames on the bench to pinch hit late in games for Granderson or Gardy against a LH reliever.

  • Johan Iz My Brohan

    Bye Hoffmann =(

  • Accent Shallow

    So Brian Bruney was traded for . . . nothing?

    Well.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      The probably would have non-tendered him anyway.

      • Tom Zig

        Or he would have blamed instant replay for his hurt elbow.

  • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

    RIP Hoffman.

    NEVAR FORGET

    • Tom Zig

      REMEMBER THE ALAMO!

  • http://yanksdraftsandprospects.blogspot.com/ Jake H

    I don’t understand why they let him walk. Thames sucks in the field and his bat hasn’t done anything. While it is small sample size I would rather have a guy who has potential than a guy who is old and not very good.

  • http://www.audiencesounds.com/ Templeton “Brendog” Peck

    if they’re just looking for a rh bench bat for small pigeonhole situations i would much rather have jermaine dye than thames…but, dye prob wont sign for $850,000

    • Zack

      Or Elijah Dukes

      • http://www.audiencesounds.com/ Templeton “Brendog” Peck

        that.

      • steve s

        Dye would be the best move followed by Baldelli (no on Dukes and for that matter Sheffield if his name crops up somehow).

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

          Is this because you think Dye and Baldelli will outhit Dukes and Sheffield? Or because you’re more concerned with clubhouse disruption with Dukes and Sheffield and thus, you want them removed from consideration (regardless of how they produce)?

          Because, strictly production-wise, I find it hard to advocate for either Dye or Baldelli over Dukes or Sheffield. The latter two are likely better offensive producers for the 2010 season, by far.

          • Thomas

            FWIW, most projection systems have Dye out performing Sheffield by a wide margin and putting up a similar level of offensive production to Dukes (though Dukes should field better). Baldelli’s offensive output is very similar to Sheffield.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

              Meh, that’s mainly because they predict Dye to be a full-time player, while all the others are projected at backup PA levels. Dukes equals or exceeds his production projections, however, in fewer plate appearances.

              Averages of the 4 main projection systems listed at FG (Bill James, CHONE, Marcel, Zips); WAR projections are CHONE only

              Dukes: 365 PA, 112.5 wRC+, 2.1 WAR
              Dye: 511 PA, 113.5 wRC+, 1.2 WAR
              Baldelli: 244 PA, 102.5 wRC+, 1.2 WAR
              Sheffield: 347 PA, 103.5 wRC+, 0.3 WAR

              • Thomas

                But even based off rate stats, Dye is projected to outhit Sheffield. Also, if Dye was projected as only a part-time player, there is a good chance his stats would improve since he would mainly face lefties, which he hits better than righties (.060 OPS career).

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  Okay, fair enough. Dye is probably better than Sheff at this point. Let’s say:

                  Dukes >>>>>>>>>>> Dye >> Sheff >>>>>> Baldelli

                  He’d want more money and more PT than Sheff though (I think), so it’s kinda a moot convo.

          • http://www.audiencesounds.com/ Templeton “Brendog” Peck

            really? sheff over dye? i mean obv it is a moot point since neither will sign for less than a mill or agree to be a once a week bench pinch hitter type but even so…that is probably a toss up.

          • steve s

            Assuming Sheffield has not much left (and is not worth the headaches to try and figure it out) then Dye is the best hitter based on last year’s performance plus he has playoff pedigree. Baldelli is next best choice as a righty stick. Dukes has yet to produce at ML level against LH pitching and, of course, has pretty full baggage. Also, any of these guys, if they want to play this year will most likely need to agree to a small base with some, but not too many, incentives.

        • Zack

          I disagree with your rankings.

          Dye is the worst corner OF for the last few years, and his bat disappeared the 2nd half of last year. Plus he already turned down 3m from the Cubs and obviously doesnt seem himself a part time player, so dont think he’ll be that happy getting 4 ABs a week.

          Baldelli was hired as a “special assistant to the Rays” until he gets a real contract; if you sign him then you still need a back up to your back up plan.

          • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

            Dye is the worst corner OF for the last few years

            Adam Dunn says “hi.”

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        IT WAS THE DUKES
        IT WAS THE DUKES

        • http://www.audiencesounds.com/ Templeton “Brendog” Peck

          seriously, there’s no way he doesnt get picked up by someone…..right? im shocked that in this age of internet and rumors there hasnt been one word on anything regarding this guy? he didnt murder anyone (or baseball history for that matter) so what gives?

          • http://www.audiencesounds.com/ Templeton “Brendog” Peck

            no, i am shocked. i am not questioning if i am shocked.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            he didnt murder anyone (or baseball history for that matter) so what gives?

            /JohnnyDamon’d
            /JaysonStark’d

          • Thomas

            he didnt murder anyone (or baseball history for that matter) so what gives?

            He did threaten to murder his wife though, resulting in a restraining order.

            • http://www.audiencesounds.com/ Templeton “Brendog” Peck

              threaten. big difference

              • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

                This comment is dead, dawg.

                • http://www.audiencesounds.com/ Templeton “Brendog” Peck

                  ::golf clap::

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  If we don’t get Dukes, I want him to sign with the White Sox.

                  I want Elijah Dukes and Ozzie Guillen in the same clubhouse. Let’s add Matt Bush in there too.

                  Deathmatch, yo.

                • http://www.audiencesounds.com/ Templeton “Brendog” Peck

                  i can haz sheffield in there too?

                • Tom Zig

                  Maybe Albert Belle and Barry Bonds will unretire as well.

                • Thomas

                  Add in Jeff Kent and Tony Bernazard as a coach.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  Heh. How Ozzie hasn’t yet hired Tony Bernazard is beyond me. They’re a match made in heaven.

                  And yes, I’m already excited for Jerry Manuel getting fired after the Mets suck yet again and the team going after Ozzie to be their new manager this winter.

                • Tom Zig

                  Oh boy, the last thing Ozzie needs is more people talking to him.

        • jive

          AWESOME!

  • paul

    thames has been horrible this spring..hoffman was at least young, could play all 3 of spots, could run well, etc…Gotta trust cash and company I guess…but I would rather have hoffman…also, not so bad when all you can complain about is a 5th of spot… :O)

    • Bo

      what about hoffmanns bat??

      so he can play all 3 of’s positions. already got gardner/winn to do that

      the last spot is for a bat.

      • http://www.audiencesounds.com/ Templeton “Brendog” Peck

        so then they should get one. cause thames isnt one.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

          O:S

  • JC

    May be the Yanks needed the 25K

    • http://www.audiencesounds.com/ Templeton “Brendog” Peck

      see?!? THERE IS A BUDGET!

      • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

        Maybe now we can get Damon!

  • http://www.progressamericana.com/ Pablo Zevallos

    I’m surprised they didn’t keep him for longer. Then again, it was whispered (I think around MLBTR or some place) that the Dodgers were happy that J-Hoff went to the Yankees because they figured that they’d get him back eventually.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    Can’t say I’m thrilled about this, but I’m not exactly devastated either.

  • Am I the only Kevin?

    I am confused regarding the timing of it all. Why let him go now instead of letting it play out a little more? (Unless, of course, the Yanks really didn’t like what they saw). Once could always swing an end of spring deal for his MiL rights, or perhaps an injury could occur.

    • Am I the only Kevin?

      “One”, not “once”.

  • pat

    He’s going, going back, back to Cali Cali.

    • pat

      Russo has had a pretty strong Spring and a good track record. Maybe the Yanks are gonna give him some time in the OF in Scranton this year and call him up for the stretch run later in the season. I’m sure he would enthusiastically accept the challenge to make himself more valuable to the Yanks and speed up his arrival to the majors.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        Sure, I like the idea. I’d rather have Russo focusing on SS in Scranton, though; playing a passable SS would give him all four IF positions and allow us to upgrade Ramiro Peña’s bat as our UTI.

        • Tom Zig

          allow us to upgrade Ramiro Peña’s bat as our UTI.

          That sounds very painful

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            It sounds dirtier than it is. That’s why I love using that acronym.

        • pat

          Very true, but I’m working under the assumption that if he can’t play a passable SS by age 25 he’s unlikely to improve enough going forward. It could happen though, either way the more positions he learns the faster he gets to the bigs.

      • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

        This is what I’d love to see. I’d rather have his bat at 9 than Gardner, but that’s a debate for another day.

  • ADam

    There is always Weber… Hes prob better than Thames in the OF.. Not saying much and is having a great spring… we shall see

    • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

      Career minor leaguer who, for some reason has never gotten a shot in the Bigs. Is he Shelley Duncan(AAAA), or just a guy waiting to get a shot? We shall see.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        I’m pretty sure Girardi said Weber will not be making the team because of JW is left handed.

  • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

    This opens the door for Golson to muscle his way into the big club in the coming weeks–months. If he can perform in AAA like he did in AA in 2008, his power provides an upgrade over Gardner (Winn too if he plays like he did last year). Go get it young fella.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      That career minor league OBP of .306 isn’t a good sign, though.

      • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

        I agree, that’s why I cited that 2008 season. I’m hoping last year was just a blip. As I mentioned the other day, I’m going to take the liberty and chalk up that poor performance to the fact that he was a 23 year old kid and got moved from Pennsylvania to OK.

        Usually that AA to AAA isn’t a killer like it seemed to be for him. I’m going to cross my fingers and root for a bounce back.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

          I’m with ya… not holding out much hope, though.

  • FMV

    Thames FTW! Wooo Hooo

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      This is the most excited anyone has been about Marcus Thames in years.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        I’m stoked that I have more time this spring/summer to use my “Thames N Hood Chek” nickname/semi-obscure mid-’90s hip hop reference.

  • Bo

    They will def be in the market for a power stick come June. Either for a nice bench role or to start in LF if Gardner isnt getting on base.

    • Tom Zig

      I’ll show you a power stick.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        Operation: SHUTDOWN

        • Tom Zig

          Why did I get shutdown in capital letters but everyone else got O:S?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            BECAUSE YOU’RE WORTHLESS, TOM ZIG! YOU’RE WORTHLESS!!!

            • Tom Zig

              :(

              Shouldn’t it be the opposite though? You took the time to write out Operation Shutdown, and capitalized every letter of shutdown. Thus meaning you <3 me more than all other commenters.

              Ipso facto.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                Actually, here’s the real decision tree:

                I saw your comment and responded first. I typed Operation: SHUTDOWN because that’s the way I like to brand it (nice and bold, lead with the full name).

                I would have written it the same way above to Brendog, but I had to write something different (since you can’t post the same identical comment twice), so I went with the O:S shorthand. That’s all.

                • Tom Zig

                  Yeah I probably could have figured that out if I looked at the time stamp. But really I was only joking around. I wasn’t actually concerned with why you wrote out Operation shutdown.

                  Hooray for pointless conversation!

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  Here’s a picture of Keeley Hazell to change the topic:

                  http://media.egotvonline.com/f.....azell3.jpg (probably NSFW)

                • Tom Zig

                  That really jumped up a notch!

    • http://www.audiencesounds.com/ Templeton “Brendog” Peck
  • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

    I was looking forward to a season of “don’t hassle him.” Too bad he couldn’t stick.

  • jramey

    I give Cash credit because he didn’t keep an “worse” player on the team so he wouldn’t be wrong

  • BigBlueAL

    Well, in my 25-man Opening Day roster competition the Daily News is having to win the 2009 Yankees WS collector’s Set DVD I had Thames on the roster and not Hoffman so good news for me!!!! lol

  • bonestock94

    Maybe they can trade Mitre for someone better than Thames.

    • jramey

      Gaudin’s looked like doo-doo this spring