Apr
28

The Yankees might not be as hated as you think

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If you were to survey a random group of 1,000 baseball fans about their most hated team, I suspect the Yankees would be the most frequent answer. There are just so many reasons to hate them. They buy their team via free agency. They have an unmatched payroll. They win, a lot. And their fans have developed a sense of entitled arrogance. I think this picture sums up how fans of other teams view Yankees fans.

According to a recent study, though, there are other teams that face a bit more net hate than the Yankees. David Biderman of The Wall Street Journal describes a survey conducted by Nielsen Co. — the company that determines television ratings with their set-top boxes. They developed an algorithm that searches the internet to determines the positive and negative reactions to various brands. Among baseball teams, the Yankees somehow did not score the lowest.

That honor belongs to the Cleveland Indians with a score of 0.9 on the -5 to 5 scale. The Red Sox were the next most hated team at 1.1. You have to get past the Cincinnati Reds and Houston Astros before you get to the Yankees, in the No. 5 spot, at 1.8. The Mets rank as the ninth most hated team, and our very own Ben Kabak has a quote in the article regarding that.

“Even Yankee fans don’t hate the Mets these days,” says Benjamin Kabak, a writer for the River Avenue Blues Yankees blog. “We just feel bad for them.”

I suspect this survey suffers from a volume issue. Are the Indians, Reds, and Astros really more hated than the Yankees? Obviously not. The issue, I think, is that there is so much positive reaction to the Yankees that it offsets a lot of the negative remarks. Again, I’m not sure of the exact algorithm, but I’m pretty sure that the positive reactions from the large Yankees fan base played a big part in their ranking. Compare that to the fan bases of the Indians, Reds, and Astros, all of which have experienced a few losing seasons lately.

  • poster

    …Nah, I hate the Mets. A lot.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Unless this is sarcasm I’m not getting today, why?

      • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

        Their fans can make you hate them.

        • Rey22

          Really? Oddly enough, I’m in Philly and I know a couple of very nice Mets fans that admit the Yankees are better and just want to see their team not look like a hospital and do well.

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          Eh, not for me. I dislike those fans, but it doesn’t make me dislike the team. Granted, I dislike Mets’ management but I don’t root against the team.

      • poster

        Because I always have. Why do I love the Yankees? Because I always have. My Mets hatred is a long, time-honored, and respected family tradition.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Mayor of the Draft

          There are two things I can’t stand.

          People intolerant of other people’s cultures… and the Dutch.

  • http://twitter.com/rebexarama bexarama

    Who the heck hates the Indians, Astros, and Reds? Other than God and their fans.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      I think a lot of Native American groups hate the Indians too. This guy is not the most tasteful of team mascots.

      • Wisdom.

        It’s a cartoon character indian…. what’s the big deal.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Mayor of the Draft

          Are you an American Indian? If you were, do you see how you might view things differently?

          • poster

            I see what he mans though. As an Italian, I wouldn’t be offended at all at a cartoon image of a mobster.

            That being said, I also totally understand why that logo would irk you.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Mayor of the Draft

              Still, there’s a difference between Italian media characterizations and Indian media characterizations. One is more prevalent and pernicious.

              Italians were “hot blooded” and “violent”. Indians were “soulless savages”. There’s an intensity issue.

              • poster

                True, I guess. The Godfather also kind of made the mafia seem far less ruthless then they really were. The mafia were (and as far as I know is, though they’re much less powerful) a ruthless, coldblooded killer of an organization. They were MUCH more corrupt than the Godfather makes them seem.

                That being said, I don’t think the cartoon Indian is making them look like “savages”. But again, I could see why it would irk people. I can’t really get on anybody’s case for being annoyed with the logo, it was made w/o any consideration at all of what actual Indians would think.

              • Ed

                I understand your point, but, at this point isn’t the “soulless savages” characterization a couple generations outdated?

                If anything, I’d say for the past few decades they’ve been portrayed rather sympathetically. Growing up in the 80′s/90′s I can’t really remember any negative portrayals, and movie treatment was positive things like Dances with Wolves. School covered them in fairly a positive light.

                Really, the only remotely negative connotation I can remember at all was my parents talking about playing Cowboys and Indians growing up.

            • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

              If the name of the team was “the Gangsters” yeah, I wouldn’t mind that. But if the name was “The Italians” or some variation thereof, I’d be annoyed.

              • poster

                Really? I’d think it kind ‘d be kind of cool and they would probably be my second favorite team.

          • Wisdom.

            actually my grandmother was Native American, so ugh guess what that makes me?

        • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

          I guess you missed Cultural Sensitivity Training Day.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Mayor of the Draft

        The Cleveland Indians franchise makes the Washington Redskins franchise look warm, cuddly, sensitive, and politically correct.

        • Andy in Sunny Daytona

          Stereotypes are fun. University of Notre Dame used to be called “The Lazy, Druken, Shifty, Pasty-Skinned, Fighting Irish”, but it was too hard to put that logo on a polo shirt.

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona

        If I remember correctly, the Braves old mascot, “Chief Knockahoma” wasn’t that offensive, until John Rocker suggested they change it to “Chief Knockahomo”.

        I’ll be here all week. Try the veal. Tip your bartender and waitresses.

      • http://twitter.com/rebexarama bexarama

        this is true.

    • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

      I’m guessing the Astros getting universally skewered by pretty much everyone for their offseason had something to do with it

  • Rey22

    The Indians? But they’re so…..irrelevant.

  • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

    So to clarify and expand on my quote, it was part of a larger discussion I was having with Biderman about the Mets’ recent struggles as a franchise. My overall point was that the Mets and their fans hate the Yankees and their fans more than we hate them by a long shot. Furthermore, I was saying that, as a baseball fan in New York, I’d much rather see the Mets be a legitimately good team and a competitor with the Yanks than a bumbling bunch of baseball players.

    But yeah, in a nutshell: Mets fans hate the Yankees. Yankee fans don’t really dwell too much on the Mets.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      But yeah, in a nutshell: Mets fans hate the Yankees. Yankee fans don’t really dwell too much on the Mets.

      That. Exactly that.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Mayor of the Draft

      My response:

      What the f$%& is the “Mets”?

      /Chappelle’d

      • kunaldo

        sugar. water. purple.

    • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

      Last Fall, a lot of Met fans were torn as to who to root for in the World Series, just as I’m sure happened a decade ago when the Yankees were playing the Braves. Most would have preferred a natural disaster to watching one of those two teams celebrate.

      In a hypothetical Mets-Red Sox World Series, the city would be more or less united behind the Mets

      • http://twitter.com/rebexarama bexarama

        totally. Though I’ve seen some people say they rooted for the Red Sox in 1986 because the Yankees weren’t that good then, so the rivalry was in a bit of a lull, and they found the Mets of that year to be incredibly obnoxious. That’s fair but I can’t imagine wanting any team to win less than the Red Sox.

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

          I can see people rooting for the Sox in 1986. Before the Sox won in 2004, Yankees fans were mostly apathetic towards the Sox, while the Sox had huge Yankee-envy (fans and front office). That’s changed since they won it all, and it has become more of a true rivalry.

          I used to always say, the Yankees built a team to try and beat the other 29 teams in baseball. The Red Sox built a team to try and beat the Yankees.

          • http://twitter.com/rebexarama bexarama

            I was too young to really remember, but the rivalry probably reignited in like 1998/1999 when both the Yankees and Sox started to make the playoffs together. 1998 maybe not because the Yankees were so ridiculous they feared no one, but 1999… wasn’t the ALCS reaaaally ugly?

            • http://yanksgoyard.com Andy_C_23

              That was the phantom tag series, IIRC

              • http://twitter.com/rebexarama bexarama

                it was. And the “WHERE IS ROGER” “IN THE SHOWER” stuff.

                • http://twitter.com/rebexarama bexarama

                  here is an article for proof:
                  http://nyti.ms/9ATQnh

                  holy misleading title though

          • Ed

            Indeed, the Sox had insane Yankees envy. I took a tour of Fenway during the ’04 season.

            The first thing the tour guide says after starting the tour: “Who here is a Yankees fan?”

            The tour was loaded with Yankees related things. Ranging from “See that different colored seat over there? Ted Williams hit a home run that landed there. It hit a Yankee fan in the head.” to “That’s where Sheffield got in a fight with a fan”. Almost every stop of the tour had a Yankees reference.

            • http://twitter.com/rebexarama bexarama

              I’m pretty sure it’s still like that. =/

            • Sea Man

              Odd, I always thought the different colored seat was fro the different colored fan.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Mayor of the Draft

                Well played.

  • Wisdom.

    Meet Phillies fans…. They like to talk about how the Yankees buy everything.

    • http://twitter.com/rebexarama bexarama

      Meet Phillies fans of every freaking non-Yankee team…. They like to talk about how the Yankees buy everything.

      ftfy

  • Beamish

    Maybe the Indians, Reds, and Astros are not really “more hated” and it is simply as case of a delta in a smaller samples but I will easily accept that the Red Sox are “more hated” than the Yankees.

    ESPN has made me hate more sports and sports figures than any single media entity in sports. And they are biggest blabber mouths of “Red Sox Nation” so I fully believe more of the country is actively sick of the Sawx than the Yankees.

    • Wisdom.

      Yeah they oversold the Sawx Wagon big time. Makes you look at everyone in a Sawx hat like they’re an arrogant prick.

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        There’s certainly something to be said for that. Nationally, the Yankees were clearly hated, but the Sox winning twice, the Sox/Yankees rivalry becoming a bigger deal across the country, and Joe West have made the Sox hated quite a bit. John Henry complaining about money with a $170 million payroll certainly can’t help either. The Yankees are still the big bad bully, but the Sox have been dragged into it with them now.

  • Anksy

    How could anyone hate the Sawx? They’re so…gritty! And they’re leader is Captain America!

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

      The Varitek love is amazing. I wrote an anti-Varitek piece and had people commenting out of nowhere sticking up for him. I just don’t get it.

      • Anksy

        Easy answer: Red Sox Nation=Not smart.

      • http://twitter.com/rebexarama bexarama

        I thought that was hilarious

        • Anksy

          I’m here all week ;)

          • pat

            Not to be a buzzkill but I think she was responding to Steve.

            • Tom Zig
              • Anksy

                I’ll proceed to DFA myself.

            • http://twitter.com/rebexarama bexarama

              I was but your comment was funny as well Anksy :)

  • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

    They should retake the poll. Minnesotan’s and Philadelphian’s undoubtedly hate the Yankees more now as they forced the Twins and Phillies to overpay for Mauer and Howard.

  • pat

    Deadspin offered its own explanation of these strange results-
    http://deadspin.com/5526440/in.....ys-science

    Really? Who hates the Indians? They haven’t won in a decade. They don’t have any despised players. We’re forced to conclude that the algorithm is flawed, and it’s simply picking up on people hating real, non-baseball Indians. (Dot or feather? The presence of the Reds in third place suggests the latter.)

    Kinda makes sense to me. There absolutely nop doubt in my mind that the Yanks are the most hated franchise in sports. I doubt the algorithm the WSJ used can decipher the context of certain phrases.

    • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy in NYC aka the Other Oofys

      Speaking as a programmer, I’d love to see the code that implements that algorithm, and the database behind it. I suspect they are all-kinds-of-ugly.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

      Deadspin loves to conclude that anything it doesn’t agree with or doesn’t understand is flawed.

      • pat

        You have to admit that the Indians being the “most hated team in baseball” is a bit puzzling.

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

          Maybe it was the Major League sequels?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Mayor of the Draft

            Maybe it was Charles Nagy. I hate that guy.

            • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

              Maybe it was Omar Vizquel. Jose Mesa hates that guy.

  • Sea Man

    I miss being the big bad Yankees, I always liked being hated and having everyone pissed off when the team won. Made things more fun when I had new outlets for my assholery. Hell, that’s the only reason I vote Republican.

    • http://twitter.com/rebexarama bexarama

      I’m pretty sure it’s still that way. There was a lot of butthurt when they won the WS.

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        TWSS

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Mayor of the Draft

      Hell, that’s the only reason I vote Republican.

      Sea Man is bringing the funny today. HE’S HEATING UP!

      /NBAJam’d

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        Just one more……

  • CS Yankee

    I think the Yankee thing is more envy than hate.

    They do so much good “quietly” (VTech,hurricane relief, etc), haven’t blabbed like Henry about being a victim, and have their own standards (not giving Obama Mr. October’s #, but giving him a signed #27).

    Throw in the loyalty to keeping proven vets on the team (Red Sox just don’t) and having retired players come around for functions and they are a step above all else.

  • steve s

    Pretty ironic day to be saying that some Yankee fans just feel sorry for the Mets. Winning 9 out of 10 and leaping ahead of the Phils is a pretty fair accomplishment for this early on in 2010. If Yanks lose tonight you will be hearing on the FAN more than a few pent-up Met fans busting Yankee fans chops with some of it (based on the responses above) constituting fair payback.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Mayor of the Draft

      Meh, we’re still gonna win 100 games and they’re still going to miss the playoffs. A 9-1 run in the NL against the bad Cubs, slumping Braves, and overrated Dodgers means nothing.

    • http://twitter.com/rebexarama bexarama

      in second: the Nats

      If anything, this shows how long the season is. What the Mets did this homestand for them was awesome, but a week ago, they were a joke. In another week, they might be a joke again. You don’t know.

    • Beamish

      Bad teams win in April – Good teams win in September.

  • phughesisgod

    First off, lol at the quote from Ben. When I read that quote, I yelled out “HAH! BURN!”

    Secondly, I hate the Mets, but I respect them. I cant hate them too much since my whole family besides me are huge Mets fans. It used to make for some interesting discussions at family get togethers. Now, they wont even say anything since their team is terrible. I hate the Mets, and I really cant say I feel bad for them, though. They bought this upon themselves with firing a good manager and replacing him with a shitty one. And a shitty manager combined with a shitty GM makes for a 92 loss team. Plus, my friends who are Mets fans make it impossible for me to feel bad for the Mets with their complete ignorance and stubborness.

  • karlkole

    “” That honor belongs to the Cleveland Indians with a score of 0.9 on the -5 to 5 scale. “”

    I think you meant… That “dishonor” belongs to the Cleveland Indians…

  • RobMosley

    Its democrats for the cirminaly, insaity, dishonesty and anti-Americanism that are hated rightists make the majority of this world I know im one of them the Venezulan people booed that creep Ordonez for him ockc sucking that pig Chavez. There is nothing “Wacist” or “offensive” about redskins or indians or the braves. Indian names and mascots were and still are a popular thing just like in some areas ragin cajuns and yankees and rebels and spartans and trojans and brewers and phillies(girl horses) andrangers andcowboys and MEAT PACKERS and cheese heads and etc. etc. STFU pc lying cultural worshipping nutters who clearly misrepresent homages to culture because its not mindless dishonest lies about haow great native americans were etc. etc. Many were bloodthirty savage criminals AZTECS hence 1 million of their slaves helping the spanish in every way possible fighting with just few conquistadors to overthrow the nutters. But the representation by sports teams of indians is traditional competitve and historical homage like names or mascot like attractions. I named my dog Inspector Callaghan…I guess I dont like Irish cops that kill cross dressing murderers.