Nov
02

Open Thread: Important Offseason Dates

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Now that the 2010 baseball season is officially over, we can all turn our attention to the Hot Stove League. The Yankees figure to be prominent figures this offseason, as always, and their first order of business will be re-signing Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera. Cliff Lee is a not-to-distant second … or is that third? Either way, you get the drift.

The baseball offseason is full of important dates for various events, such as arbitration deadlines and the like. Here’s a round-up of this winter’s key dates, with a brief explanation…

  • Nov. 2nd-6th: Period for teams to negotiate exclusively with their own free agents. This used to be 15 days.
  • Nov. 7th: Free agents can now negotiate – and sign – with any team.
  • Nov. 16-17th: GM Meetings in Orlando. There will be rumors, but probably not any major moves.
  • Nov. 17th-18th: Owners Meetings in Orlando. Everyone complains about the Yankees.
  • Nov. 20th: Deadline for teams to set their 40-man roster with regards to the Rule 5 Draft.
  • Nov. 23rd: Last day for teams to offer their free agents arbitration, which they must do to receive draft pick compensation.
  • Nov. 30th: Last day for free agents to accept an arbitration offer.
  • Dec. 2nd: Last day to tender contracts to players with less than six years of service time. Another batch of players will hit free agency as they’re non-tendered.
  • Dec. 6th-9th: Winter Meetings in Lake Buena Vista. All hell breaks loose.
  • Jan. 5th-15th: Period for teams and players to file for arbitration.
  • Jan. 18th: Salary arbitration figures are exchanged.
  • Feb. 1st-21st: Salary arbitration hearings. Everyone likes to avoid these.
  • March 2nd-11th: Contracts of players with less than three years of service time can be renewed at any salary by the team (as long as it’s 80% of his previous year’s salary).
  • March 28th: Deadline to release players with non-guaranteed contracts without having to pay them their full 2011 salary.

I have no idea when the Rule 5 Draft is this year. Usually it’s on the final day of the Winter Meetings, but there’s been talk that’ll be moved up to late-November. That Nov. 20th date for setting the 40-man roster isn’t even set in stone (all of the other ones are, however). You’re also going to see a lot of options picked up and declined this week, those things usually have to be addressed within three days of the end of the World Series (or something like that) per the contracts.

Anyway, you may notice that everything is earlier this offseason than in years past, and that’s by design. MLB and the union want to give players as much time as possible to find jobs, and it’s hard to blame them given the way the market’s played out over the last few years. It’s also good for us, because all of the Hot Stove action starts that much earlier.

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Here’s your open thread for the evening. The Knicks are playing the Magic in the Garden have been postponed because of asbestos at the Garden, so that’s pretty much it for local sports. Now I remember why I hate the offseason. Talk about whatever, just be cool.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime-Mrs. OBP Jesus Maquinito

    Actually, the Knicks aren’t playing.

  • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

    Free Agency seems like it coming by much faster than last year.

    • http://twitter.com/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

      Nov. 2nd-6th: Period for teams to negotiate exclusively with their own free agents. This used to be 15 days.

      Yep there it is.

  • http://twitter.com/cephster Ross in Jersey

    The Knicks/Magic game actually got cancelled because of the whole asbestos-cleaning-stuff that fell from the attic. So yeah, nothing going on tonight.

    While I feel that ponytails are a very nice hairstyle, you could always talk about political garbage.

  • http://twitter.com/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

    Well Elijah Dukes has been arrested…

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      link?

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H
        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Arrested for not paying child support.

          I guess sitting out of organized ball for a year wasn’t a good look for his pocketbook. (Or his kids’ pocketbooks, for that matter.)

          • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

            He was plying in Newark! The Atlantic League is organized!

            It just doesn’t pay much more than working retail.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              I’m pretty sure every single job in the entirety of Newark city proper pays only minimum wage.

              • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

                While I would normally not recommend a trip to Newark, going to see the Bears is a fun time and I think people should go.

                Plus I dropped my soda when I saw Scott Speizio was starting at 3B for them and it’s not often that you experience genuine shock like that.

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime-Mrs. OBP Jesus Maquinito

      And this is surprising because…

  • https://twitter.com/Carcillo_ Carcillo

    No baseball, football, hockey, or basketball that I care about tonight.

    Splendid. I won’t be around here for long, I suppose.

  • Jake

    Open threat! Every man for himself!

  • swishers fauxhawk

    Zach Parise out three months. Ugh.

    Let the tankjob begin in Jersey.

    • FIPster Doofus

      As a Sabres fan, all I can ask is: What the hell happened to our 100-plus-point teams from last season?

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime-Mrs. OBP Jesus Maquinito

        I don’t know. As a Devils fan I don’t know how to handle a non-contending year.

        • FIPster Doofus

          I figured both teams would have a real shot in a wide-open East. It’s a shame.

        • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

          Follow the draft. It’s not as good as last year, but there are some very interesting prospects like Adam Larrson, Sean Couturier and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (all of whom are should be drafted top 3).

        • Neil

          How long before Lou starts coaching the team?

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      The Devils could really use Larrson in this years draft. Too bad the chances of that happening is 0.

      *crosses fingers that Landeskog or Couturier is drafted by the Rangers*

  • Carlosologist

    I was at a thing earlier this afternoon, so I caught up with the afternoon threads. I came upon the Mesa thread. Um…

    If people have deep psychological issues, then obviously the logical thing to do is make sexist comments that are loosely related to the thread’s topic.

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime-Mrs. OBP Jesus Maquinito

      You have a nice ponytail, but I totally agree with you.

      • first time lawng time

        Haha what’s this ponytail joke?

        I’m wearing a ponytail now. lol

        • http://twitter.com/cephster Ross in Jersey

          FTLT I want to ask how old you are without sounding creepy or intrusive. So, over/under 15?

          • first time lawng time

            Over.

            Can you tell me why you’re asking though?

            I mean I saw some comments today talking about ponytails and I assumed it was a new meme. I mean I don’t know any jokes about ponytails so I’m kinda in the dark here. lol

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Yeah, I’m kinda glad I missed that clusterfuck.

      Jack Zdurencik really shouldn’t post at RAB, he’s got anger issues with women.

      • first time lawng time

        Is there a link to this?

        It seems like there’s a new meme from today that I don’t know about.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Go reread the post today about Melky Mesa being added to the 40-man.

          And when you’re done, remember: whatever you think doesn’t matter, because you’re a girl.

      • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

        Please, it was Josh Z, not Jack Z. This is a common theme around the Mariners, what with the whole Jack/Josh Wilson thing too.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          I saw right through that thinly-veiled pseudonym.

        • steve (different one)

          6th best ponytail in baseball

      • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

        It’s better than the racist rantings of Walt Jocketty.

  • candyforstalin

    we’ll find out which party takes the senate: the high deficit party or the other high deficit party.

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

      IETC

  • ZZ

    A couple of thoughts from ZZ in light of some controversy today.

    1. I discovered today *gasp* some of you guys talk about RAB posters and comments made here on twitter. Twitter has become like a locker room at a HS. Crazy. Anyway, ya know its not very nice to talk about people behind their back. ;)

    2. This place exists to discuss, not argue. When some asks you a question or challenges your opinion it is not always about arguing or disagreement. It is about furthering the discussion. It is about making the discussion more substantive. There is no reason to take such offense or get so defensive. I love asking questions challenging how people think or feel about something even when I agree with them. That is one of the best ways to learn, change your mind about things, and develop how you feel about something. Even if you agree with something you may develop even more reasons to trust your stance or if you don’t agree one of the people in the discussion may end up changing their mind. In the end it never hurts, because ideas or opinions suck if they don’t get challenged and put through the ringer of thought.

    • http://twitter.com/cephster Ross in Jersey

      As someone who was once talked about on Twitter, don’t take it personally.

      • ZZ

        Oh I am not taking it personally. I’m just joking. I actually think it is really funny. It is like a Underground RAB.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          #RABafterdark

          • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

            What happens in #RABafterdark stays in #RABafterdark.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Anyway, ya know its not very nice to talk about people behind their back.

      FACT: Nothing on Twitter is ever “behind anyone’s back”.

      • first time lawng time

        What happened?!

        I sense drama. lol

      • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

        Which is why inherently it sucks, as does facebook and most other things online.
        I’m very curmudgeonly, especially for a 14 year old. Also, hypocritical, but eh.

        • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

          Wait, how many regular commenters here are under 15?

          • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

            Like, two that I know of. Me and Carlos so far.

            • Kevin G.

              Me too, but I’m not a regular here.

              And plus, I’ll be 15 in a month. :P

          • chriskeo

            Before today I don’t really remember age being an issue, or even discussed for that matter.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Not since the halcyon days of DonnieBaseballHallOfFame.

              • Joey

                I miss good ole’ Whitey!

            • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

              It’s not, I was just curious.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

              It’s not.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          FACT: No social medium that has #tittytuesday can suck.

          • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

            touche

        • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

          Ah, the beauties of Formspring. Facebook is fine, but once that crap goes anonymous on Formspring, things get real ugly.

      • ZZ

        Then I would actually have to open a twitter account and keep track of all you RABers.

        I get enough of you nerds on here.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          OR: you could just continue to not give a crap about what people might be saying about you on other mediums.

          Sincerely,
          Sensitive RAB Guy at NoMaas

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            But but but you are SENSITIVE RAB guy!!! SENSITIVE!

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        Thank you.

        Yep, I admit to saying things about people on this site on Twitter. I don’t think I’ve said unbearably horrible, I’m not really ZOMG SHY about the fact that I have a Twitter, and I haven’t said too many things I regret on there.

    • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

      You should see the DMs. They’d make a sailor blush!

    • Josh Z.

      Additionally, if you disagree with someone, it is not necessarily because of their age or even their gender.

      And I never did receive an answer from the particular poster as to why adding Melky Mesa to the 40-man roster was a waste. It would go a long way into clearing up any sexist notions that I apparently have.

      And there was no stink made about any male commenters I questioned.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        It would go a long way into clearing up any sexist notions that I apparently have.

        No, it wouldn’t.

        And there was no stink made about any male commenters I questioned.

        Because you didn’t ignorantly demean them.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    I hope all you jackalopes voted today, regardless of your political affiliations or preferences.

    Democracies can’t truly enforce the will of the people if the people don’t let their will be known.

    • first time lawng time

      But this isn’t a democracy, remember? Our Govt is crap and our Constitution is being abused.This is a single party dictatoriship. We’re all living in a totalitarian state ruled by psychos that know nothing and aren’t even legally allowed to be here.

      Half of the people voting aren’t even Amercian citizens (kinda like President Taft), therefore the polls are unvalid.

      Sincerely,
      Rose

      • FIPster Doofus

        Don’t blame me. I voted for Kodos.

        • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

          Vote Wiggum 2008!

      • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

        Unvalid…
        IETC

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        The 17th Amendment to the Constitution is unconstitutional.

        Sincerely,
        Judge Andrew Napolitano

        #ZOMGFREEDOMWEEK

        • first time lawng time

          WHAT IS THIS FREEDOM WEEK THING?!

          Sorry. I’ve just seen it mentioned here so many times and I have no idea what is going on.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            It was a ridiculous 60-second ad for a special week of Napolitano’s Freedom Watch show on FOX Business that they aired over and over again on YES for like a month back in the summer.

            • first time lawng time

              Oohhh. Yeah I remember those commercials lol

              That guy was such a creeper.

        • chriskeo

          Did he really say that?

          • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

            “I would repeal the 17th Amendment. Can an amendment to the Constitution itself be unconstitutional? Yes, that one.”

            -Judge Napolitano

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              NAPOLITANO: Can an amendment to the Constitution itself be unconstitutional?

              Tommie: Raspberry Iced Tea!
              Judge Andrew Napolitano: Yeah, that’s great.
              Tommie: It is good.
              Judge Andrew Napolitano: I wonder, though, why, why “T”?
              Tommie: What do you mean?
              Judge Andrew Napolitano: I mean, of all the letters you could pick from, why “T”? Why not “Raspberry Iced M”, or, any of the other, like, 48 letters.
              Tommie: (pause) First of all, that’s way too many letters.
              Judge Andrew Napolitano: Man, I know how many letters there are in the alphabet.
              Tommie: May I sub-respond before you finish?
              Judge Andrew Napolitano: Sure.
              Tommie: Do you?

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime-Mrs. OBP Jesus Maquinito

      The polling place in my neighborhood is the building where Elizabeth Cady Stanton spent the last few years of her life…

      • FIPster Doofus

        Josh Z. – Not a fan of Elizabeth Cady Stanton.

        • Josh Z.

          Go ahead and take shots, I probably deserve it. But I still haven’t seen a legitimate reason for why the girl decided that the Yankees adding Melky Mesa to the 40-man roster was a waste.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Women shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

        Sincerely,
        Josh Z.

        • Josh Z.

          People that are un or misinformed should not be able to. If that individual is female then so be it. But it’s not her gender that leads me to believe she shouldn’t vote. It’s her intellectual capabilities – that have nothing to do with her being a woman.

      • mbonzo

        Figuring out what best holds a pony tail I assume.

      • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

        What’s all this Josh Z. stuff all of the sudden?

  • first time lawng time

    LOL I heard noone talking about the WS today. I also saw 1 (ONE) article mentioning the Giants winning.

    Yeah, pretty lame series if you ask me. I’m sure the ratings were poor.

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

      Fact: 90% of Non-Yankees WS are lame. Which really makes the special ones… special.

  • ZZ

    Damn. I forgot thought 3 from ZZ. This one is for bex.

    I actually LOVE statistics and sabermetrics.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Ha. I totally do not believe you re: the last one. At all.

      Did you see when I thought you were Joel Sherman? Only you actually like Posada so you clearly have more sense than him. ;)

      • ZZ

        lol. I did not see that. Do you have a link?

        But, really I do love statistics and sabermetrics. But statistics are meant to be challenged and questioned very strongly. Some people like Rob Neyer have actually referred to sabermetrics as a science. That is laughable given the lack of questioning and testing that goes on with these statistics. There needs to be more to make these statistics stronger and more reliable. There is too much just acceptance in the community IMO.

        I love statistics and that is why I question sabermetrics so much.

        • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

          Whenever people bring this up they get shouted down as a hater but I tend to agree with what you’re saying. I think it gets taken as an attempt to discredit work even though it’s not.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          It was kind of old and I unfortunately do not. Just, Sherman wrote this article talking about AJ and it sounded a lot like something you would write, and it had a lot of ideas you’d expressed.

          I love sabermetrics too. I think they’re really fascinating. I use them to evaluate players but they are not the be-all-end-all. I don’t think too many people take them as gospel. Don’t know any saber-inclined people who just, I don’t know, go down the list of players by WAR and that’s their MVP ballot. I know I’ve questioned the defensive metrics on RAB before, and therefore WAR. I know I’ve said I’m not much of a FIP fan at all (and therefore I don’t like Fangraphs’ pitcher WAR). But I think they’re really useful at helping us evaluate players. Certainly better than W/L and BA.

  • Yankeefan91 Arod Fan

    at least i get to see winter league and the pitching matchup is jamie moyer vs john halama.

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime-Mrs. OBP Jesus Maquinito

      Oh g-d I am so sorry

      • Yankeefan91 Arod Fan

        Yep lol :p

  • first time lawng time

    I think I’ve figured it all out.

    Josh Z is Ron Dibble! Right?!

    I just saw that thread…lol

  • first time lawng time

    So let’s make a list of all the memes from this year:
    I have:
    1. Ron Dibble
    2. Taft = not a citizen
    3. Only the Yankees have issues
    4. posada sux lol whatevs
    5. pony tails
    6. Granderson is a switch hitter (lol what?!)
    7. Granderson looks like Jay-Z
    8. first pumps
    9. Cleveland does not exist
    10. DEEP AND THICK
    11. apathetic and violent

    Did I forget anything?

    Feel free to contribute!

    • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

      *Cough* deuce bag poster *Cough*

      • first time lawng time

        Is there a link to that?

        I’ve always wondered about that.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      I think Carlosologist (maybe someone else?) has a list of these from the first half and the second half, though it was missing a bunch of these.

    • ultimate913

      Red Sox aren’t out of it…yet.

      No, seriously. They aren’t out of it. Gammons said so.

      • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

        This and the Five aces.

      • FIPster Doofus

        I kept waiting for the Five Aces to parachute on the field last night and make quick work of those ninnyhammers in Giants and Rangers uniforms. Alas, it never happened.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        I want to nominate this as Best RAB Post Ever For All Eternity

        http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....nt-1078510

        • first time lawng time

          Without looking Im guessing Carl Pavano’s moustache?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            “Without looking”?

            It’s a link. You just click it and in nanoseconds, you’re looking at it. You’ve got to be shitting me with the “without looking”. JUSTCLICKTHELINK.

            • first time lawng time

              Before clicking the link I assumed it was the Pavano moustache thing.

              So I decided to type it in case I was right.

              I wasn’t. Big whoop.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          (blushes)

          I assume you mean that it’s the best post in the non “Pavano’s gay porn mustache” and “Ohio wasn’t a state until 1953″ batshit insane hilarious for it’s ridiculousness division. I don’t think anything I’ve ever done could compete with those for pure hilarity.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            Haha, yes, all of this.

        • Kit

          Yet another reason why TSJC is awesome.

    • Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Blog

      12. Making meme lists?

  • mbonzo

    Boof Bonser is a free agent again. The Yankees need more players with stupid names. Imagine the fun Sterling would have with Boof.

    • first time lawng time

      Weirdest names in the MLB:
      Boof Bosner
      Coco Crisp
      Shin Soo Choo

      Any others?

      • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

        “Swisher” must have tough when he was younger.

      • FIPster Doofus

        Those names don’t hold a candle to ex-MLB player Stubby Clapp.

        • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

          Very underwhelming numbers, but I really hope this guy makes the majors, just for his name

          http://www.baseball-reference......onec001seq

          • FIPster Doofus

            That might be the best name in history.

            • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S
              • UWS

                Beat ya to it :)

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  Ugly Dickshot isn’t getting topped, folks. It’s just not.

                  • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                    Perhaps not, but Ugly Dickshot is dead. Sequoyah Trueblood Stonecipher spent most of last year in the Sally League.

                    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                      Fair enough. For active players, I’m also fond of Callix Sadeaq Crabbe.

      • UWS

        Rusty Kuntz.

        Or do you mean current? I’ve always enjoyed Angel Pagan.

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

      I hope he’d become best friends with Boone Logan, because that would be something special.

    • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

      Imagine the fun Sterling would have with Boof.

      Considering this means Boof Bonser would be on the Yankees, I’d rather not.

  • https://twitter.com/Carcillo_ Carcillo

    To all hockey fans – do you see the Lightning (7-3) as being legit this year after being pretty bad the past three seasons? I have no concerns about the offense (especially with Stamkos developing into a top-3 goal scorer in the league), but I could see problems in net manifesting itself, especially if they keep going back to Mike Smith (Lightning brass loves that guy).

    I’m certainly not placing this team on an elite pedestal, mind you, but more or less wondering if the playoffs are a likely possibility.

    • FIPster Doofus

      I pegged them as a low playoff team entering the season, meaning a seventh or eighth seed. With their ridiculous offensive talent, they could definitely finish higher than that. Stamkos is insane.

  • candyforstalin

    contract offer to cliff lee:

    2011: 23m
    2012: 23m
    2013: 23m
    2014: 23m
    2015: 23m club option/8m buyout

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      An 8M buyout would be the biggest buyout in MLB history, I think. I doubt that happens.

      • candyforstalin

        i think zito’s is close to that.

        • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

          Zito’s buyout is $7M

          • Corporate Scum (formerly Joe West’s Music Career)

            Yeah, but Zito >>>>>>>>>>>> Lee.

            Really though.

      • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

        Nope–Ryan Howard’s new albatross contract that doesn’t take effect until after next season has a $10M buyout on his $23M club option for 2017.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          I sit corrected. Thanks.

    • Carlosologist

      No way Lee does less than five guaranteed years.

      6/140 and we have ourselves a second ace.

    • Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Blog

      What?? To a pitcher with only a .500 record in the World Series? The Yankees need someone who can win world series games much more often than that. John Lackey has NEVER lost a WS game, think we can get him from the Sox?

      • first time lawng time

        Ummm… thought he had a record of 0.00?

        • Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Blog

          Nope, he won game 7 of the WS for the Angels over the Giants in 2002. Or something like that.

        • Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Blog

          Oh, wait, you meant Lee. He actually won a couple of meaningless WS games last year.

          • first time lawng time

            Haha I thought you were talking about Lee in this year’s WS.

            My bad.

      • candyforstalin

        lackey is a good example for the ‘he’ll age well ’cause he’s a command pitcher’ crowd.

    • ultimate913

      I’d go 5/105 at first and then bump it up to 5/112.5 if the Rangers try to have the A-Rod situation all over again. My offer wouldn’t increase from that.

      But hey, my proposals suck.

  • mbonzo

    “If prop 19 passes tonight, Tim Lincecum will have the best week ever.”
    -Some Reddit commenter

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

      Not entirely untrue. However, Cali will have a migration not seen since the days of it’s infamous gold rush.

  • MikeD

    Is there any reason to sign a player before November 23rd, since that’s the last day to offer a player arbitration? Wouldn’t a team want to wait to see if, for example, the Blue Jays were to offer Downs arbitration before signing him? Or am I misunderstanding something here?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Almost nobody ever gets signed before the arb deadline; I doubt that changes this year.

      That being said, the one reason you could feasibly justify signing a player before the deadline is if you’re 99% certain that the player will be a Type A, 99% certain that the player will be offered arb and 99% certain that the player will decline arb, meaning that the picks you forfeit by not waiting until after the deadline would have been the same picks you forfeit if you waited.

      Like, say, Cliff Lee.

      • MikeD

        Thanks. I was trying to figure out if a team’s management was slow in offering their former player arbitration, would that allow another team to quickly sign that player, thus eliminating any chance of having to also surrender draft picks. If so, it’s too obvious of a flaw in the system, which means I’m misunderstanding it, or there are most likely rules preventing it.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Yeah, you don’t get the advantage of not giving picks, you only get the advantage of starting negotiations earlier (and getting a bit of a headstart and/or brownie points with the player for showing initial interest).

          It’s a small advantage, and thus only useful if you KNOW that you’re giving up picks regardless.

  • first time lawng time

    Fun game: If you could be any player on the Yankees roster, who would it be?

    • Carlosologist

      A-Rod, no question.

    • MikeD

      The same answer I’d give since 1996: Derek Jeter. He’s a Yankee legend for life, but it’s the off-field life that can not be underestimated here. (Speaking purely from the point of view of a man.)

  • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

    Nov. 7th: Free agents can now negotiate – and sign – with any team. The day Cliff Lee becomes a Yankee.

    FTFY

    • first time lawng time

      He might not become a Yankee though…just saying.

      I mean let’s be real here. If he douesn’t sign with NY, I don’t give a crap. Gives us more chances to whoop his ass. He’s scruffy, too. I don’t care for him.

      If we sign him, hooray. If not, whatever.

      Ya know?

      just stating my opinion

    • Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Blog

      One other correction:

      Nov. 17th-18th: Owners Meetings in Orlando. Everyone complains about the Yankees.
      Nov. 2nd-Nov 1st: Everyone complains about the Yankees.

      • https://twitter.com/Carcillo_ Carcillo

        Is that from Nov. 2, 2010 to Nov. 1, 2011?

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    Oh also now that baseball is totally over for 2010: ANDY COME BACK DON’T LEAVE US. (sobs)

    • Carlosologist

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAdaQhitdKg

      This is what will play when Pettitte retires.

      /apologies in advance

    • Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Blog

      Since you’re closest to him, in a metaphysical way, what’s your feel on the chances he comes back?

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        LOL. Obligatory “I wish it wasn’t just metaphysical” comment.

        I really thought he would come back, but now, I dunno, maybe I’m being paranoid, I’m not sure. The injury thing made me go back and forth. On one hand, he said stuff that made it seem like he wasn’t happy with this year, which made me think he’d come back. On the other hand, he was so beat up once he came back with the back issue and whatever happened during the playoffs, you kinda wouldn’t blame him for not coming back.

        /Andy-related essay

        • first time lawng time

          He’s not coming back. But if he does it’ll be his last year.

          I’m not trying to be a jerk, I’m just saying, because I’m psychic. No seriously look:
          http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....nt-1279720

          • candyforstalin

            did you dabbled in witchcraft too?

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              FTLT = Christine O’Donnell

              • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                Christine O’Donnell: “I’m you”

                ergo, first time lawng time is…tommiesmithjohncarlos?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  Transitive property FTL.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            You said it on the internet after the fact, I don’t really think that makes you psychic. I do agree if he comes back for 2011 that’ll be his last year.

            • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

              That doesn’t take being a psychic ever because Andy actually said that.

              • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

                *either

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                He did? I know he said he wouldn’t pitch past 40.

    • ultimate913

      The hell are you talking about?

      The Red Sox are still in this.

      • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

        I laughed.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          I did too.

  • first time lawng time

    Fact: I don’t care what anyone says, Apollo Ohno = ugly.

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      I forget, are you male or female?

      And follow up question, are you straight?

      • first time lawng time

        Female.

        But it doesn’t matter. Even stragiht guys agree…Apollo Ohno is nasty. I know girls that think he’s hot and all that, but he’s really kinda gross. In my opinion anyway.

        • MikeD

          So who is more nasty. Apollo Ohno or Tim Lincecum?

          And as a straight guy, I’m not sure why I’m asking the question, but there it is nevertheless…

          • UWS

            Apollo Ohno, without a doubt. I actually find Timmy to be adorable, and he’d be even better without that hippie hair.

            • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

              Ew, Tim Lincecum is hideous.

              • UWS

                Dif’rent strokes for dif’rent folks ;)

        • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

          I think he’s hot, not like OMGZ SO HOT cause he’s not my type, but he’s definitely attractive IMO.

  • UWS

    Just caught up on the clusterfuckMelky Mesa thread. Holy cow, there’s a lot of anger there. And since I know you all want to know, I do not wear my hair in a ponytail.

    Question re: arbitration and draft picks. Something TSJC said upthread made me confuzzled. If you sign a FA BEFORE arbitration is offered, do you still lose the draft picks? ie, does the old team still offer arbitration even though it’s obviously a moot point by then? Am I being stupid?

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      If a new team signs a player before arbitration is offered, the previous team gets draft picks automatically.

      • UWS

        Ah, gotcha. Thanks!

      • MikeD

        Okay. That makes sense, and is the answer to the question I was attempting to ask (poorly) above.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Yes, I believe if you sign a free agent before his team has a chance to offer him arb, he’s treated like a Type A compensation (regardless of what level he is or if his team actually intended to offer him arb at all).

      • UWS

        Hmmmmmmm….any way Natinals could be made to sign Javy beforee arbitration is (not) offered?

        • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

          That type of thing rarely happens, and the Nationals pick is protected.

          • UWS

            I know, I was just joking, given that Yanks are extremely unlikely to offer Javy arb. As for the Nats’ pick, I know it’s protected. A supplementary pick wouldn’t be too shabby either.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Shit, I’d take a 10th round pick for Javy if there was a way to do it without having to offer him arb.

              • UWS

                Pretty much this.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              I know you were joking, but if the Natinals (or any other team) surrendered a draft pick by signing Javy before the Yankees declined to offer him arb, that team’s management should be fired by Bud Selig and banned from working in baseball forever and the franchise should be placed in receivership until a new ownership group can be formed.

              • UWS

                Oh, definitely. But it wouldn’t surprise me if, say, Pirates were idiotic enough to do this. After all, they claimed CHoP and a whole bunch of other dreck from the Yanks.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  Claiming CHoP actually makes sense, though, as he’s probably better than whatever reject from indy ball they were already planning on giving a bullpen job to.

                • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

                  But that’s the Pirates’ job. They’re the shitcan of MLB.
                  The Nationals are trying to build something.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      I would just like everyone to know that I don’t wear my hair in a ponytail either.

      (I assume you do still lose the draft picks but I don’t know for sure.)

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        I’d like to say ponytails are getting a bad rap.

        Nothing wrong with putting your hair back and showing off that sexy neckline and shoulders, ladies.

        • UWS

          I have a pixie cut. Not enough hair for a pony tail, or even a gerbil tail.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Almost any hairstyle can be sexy.

            FACT: Most of the time, we’re looking at your boobs or your ass anyway.

            • Carlosologist

              +1000000000000000000000

              • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

                +1000000000000000000000+1

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  FACT: There’s no such thing as #hairstyletuesday

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            I’m super jealous of anyone who can pull off the pixie cut. I don’t wear ponytails because my hair’s too short (but not pixie cut short).

        • Carlosologist

          When I grew out my hair (It was a strange time in the seventh grade), I was able to put it in a ponytail. It felt weird. I got it cut three weeks later and it’s been short ever since.

        • MikeD

          I’m with you. I kind of like ponytails. Sometimes it’s up, sometimes it’s down. Gives a whole different vibe for women.

      • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

        I wear my hair in a ponytail when it’s really hot and when I work out (which is rarely to never these days).

        • Kit

          Yeah. I wear ponytails when it’s hot or when I’m just too lazy to go through the process of straightening my hair. A nice side-swept ponytail over the shoulder is adorable.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            A nice side-swept ponytail over the shoulder is adorable.

            I have nothing to add, I just wanted to repeat that louder.

            • Kit

              Favorite hairstyle. I wear it often.

  • first time lawng time

    WOw Bristol Palin is crying on DWTS.

    What a loser.

    • first time lawng time

      And then Taylor Swift is performing…joy.

      I’d rather stick a Q-tip all the way through my ear and pop an eardrum than listen to that little brat try to sing.

      • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

        No you wouldn’t

      • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

        I LOVE TAYLOR SWIFT.

        I’m glad I got that out of me.

      • Josh Z.

        I’d like to compliment Taylor Swift’s hairstyle, but her singing could use some work.

        Disclaimer: Not because she’s a girl, because her voice is a little strange sounding to me. But not because she’s female.

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      The Palins need their own reality TV show. If they get all worked up over something silly that Family Guy says and start bashing the show, I wonder how they would survive on a daily basis.

      • FIPster Doofus

        Don’t they have one on the Discovery Channel or something?

        • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

          TLC–it’s an 8-week event, “Sarah Palin’s Alaska”

          • UWS

            Can you see Russia from the set?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            It was supposed to be a 16-week miniseries, but Sarah quit halfway through to save the Discovery Channel from the cost of the ethics probes.

            http://www.instantrimshot.com

  • http://RAB Nuke LaDoosh

    If I were Cash…I would give Jeter a 4 year deal for guaranteed $50 million ($12.5 million per year straight lined) and for any year where he gets 200 hits he gets a $5 million bonus Plus for any year where he scores 100 runs he gets a $2.5 million bonus. Done!

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      A.) Playing time incentives (games/PAs/ABs/etc.) are allowed, performance incentives aren’t.
      B.) Even if this contract were allowable, good luck with that shit.

      • http://RAB Nuke LaDoosh

        For real on incentives? I didn’t know that. Doh!

      • WP50

        What about milestones like A-rod’s contract? $2 million for everyone he passes on the all time hit list

        Realistically he is getting no less than 4 years even at age 36. Posada signed a 4 year deal at age 36 for about $52 mill….the minimum would be 4 years $60 mill

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Those were marketing bonuses, not performance incentives. You’d have to convince the commissioner’s office that there would be a marketing blitz for Jeter’s nth season of 200 hits or 100 runs and thus the incentives are legit.

          I doubt that passes muster.

  • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

    So I know we usually have a strict no politics rule, but it is election day, so:

    thank Mo Christine O’Donnell is not a U.S. Senator.

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      Eh, she never had any real shot. I think the day she won the primary, 538′s model switched that seat from 95% sure the Republicans would win (assuming Castle was running) to 95% sure the Democrats would win.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder
        • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

          Heh. They do that all the time though.

        • Jose the Satirist

          Exit polls FTW!

    • Jose the Satirist

      Posts like this shouldn’t even be on here. It just creates problems.

      • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

        Eh, it’s Election Day. It’s the biggest/only thing in the news today.

        • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

          Yeah, but posting opinions about political figures is asking for trouble election day or not election day.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Especially from some broad who doesn’t know anything about anything.

        Sincerely,
        Josh Z.

        • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

          Fact: people with ponytails can’t vote.

          • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

            Or think

        • Josh Z.

          I wish every posting mocking my comment would include a legitimate reason from that girl about why adding Melky Mesa to the 40-man roster was a waste.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            I wish every post mocking that comment would include an appendix noting that every post that mocks your comment is justified, because your comment was horrendously ignorant.

  • bonestock94

    Politics seem to be a never ending disaster.

  • FIPster Doofus

    Heh. Guys named Canseco and Rodriguez are going against each other in the Texas gubernatorial race.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    So who’s claiming Randy Moss?

    I’ve got a feeling Dan Snyder has an intern calling Goodell’s office every five minutes to see if the waiver paperwork has gone through.

    • Reggie C.

      Washington Redskins.

      McNabb needs targets. Defenses are stacking the line against Ryan Torain.

  • candyforstalin

    i’m calling it: 50-50.

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      Not like it matters. Senate math:

      40 > 51

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Nah.

      Dems already had 40, and already have won Blumenthal, Coons, Mikluski, Leahy, and Manchin. They thus only need five more and still have Schumer, Gillibrand, Inouye as locks and Boxer, Sestak, Wyden, and Giannoulas as probables (plus Feingold, Murray, and Bennet as down-to-the-wire tossups).

      The House will flip Red (barely), but the Senate is still solidly blue by at least two seats and probably by four or five when it’s all said and done..

      • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

        I don’t know if I would call Sestak or Giannoulias “probables”

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Then move them to tossup.

          That’s still 50 Dem wins even before you get to the Feingold/Murray/Bennet/Sestak/Giannoulas tossup quintet; the GOP won’t will all five of those.

          • mbonzo

            Yea Sestak is actually losing by 5-6% in most recent polls, but I think they’re all biased. The last reuters put it at 46% even between the two. Sestak is awesome at campaigning in the last couple of week though so he’ll probably end up winning.

      • Jose the Satirist

        House: 230 Red, 205 Blue
        Senate: 52 blue 48 Blue

        Those are my predictions.

        • Jose the Satirist

          Senate: 52 Blue 48 Red

          Fail on my part.

      • candyforstalin

        sestak and giannoulias will lose.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          They both already have a nice lead, and Illinois/Pennslyvania both trend blue as the night progresses and urban districts get their vote reports in. Plus, IL and PA have large and effective GOTV organizations on the Dem side left over from Obama in ’08.

          Those states are very much tossups.

          And I forgot to include McAdams in Alaska or Reid in Nevada, there’s two more tossups that can easily end up blue.

          The most the GOP will conceivably get to is 49. At most.

        • mbonzo

          Sestak should actually win. Most of the polls you’ve seen are pretty badly biased. He’s a great last minute campaigner too. Expect a small victory by Sestak.

          Don’t know too much about Giannoulias but I expect him to win as well. Jones should split some votes.

  • https://twitter.com/Carcillo_ Carcillo

    Watching Faux Fox News, and I see Sarah Palin on the set.

    Now I remember why having Obamanation in place wasn’t the worst thing that could’ve happened from that Election.

    • mbonzo

      MSNBC is taking a crap on Rand Paul. Mind you that I’m a Democrat, and voted down the line Democrat this year, but I really don’t mind Paul winning. As a government major its nice to see someone win who actually believes in their own ideologies instead of picking the ones that get you votes. I may not agree with him, but I’m glad someone got elected that believes in the issues and not the system.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Meh, Paul and MSNBC don’t exactly go together like peas and carrots.

  • Joey – hughes#34

    I used to think that the Yanks would go with more money/less years with Jeter (something like 3/60), but after hearing Hal’s comments today I think they are gonna go the other way. Maybe something like 4/50 with a mutual option for the 5th.

    • UWS

      I’m sticking to my 2/30 offer, maybe with a mutual option. And yes I’m aware of the PR complications. I’m sort of hoping Yanks will not cave in to Jeter’ ridiculous demands despite that. Not very likely, of course.

      4 years for Jeter at this point would be beyond terrible.

      • Joey – hughes#34

        I hope you’re right with 2/30, but its probably not gonna happen.

        And besides, worse things can happen then Jeter for 4 years (like Jeter for 5 years ><)

        • mbonzo

          I think it’ll be like 3/50

  • UWS

    Hmm, Jhonny Peralta’ option was not picked up by DET.

    Thoughts?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Still too pricey; he’ll want to start.

      • UWS

        Jeter insurance in case ol’ Derek demands the stars in addition to the moon?

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

          I think Jeter looks like Ozzie Smith in his prime compared to Peralta at this point defensively. If he was better with the glove I could see it though.

    • Joey – hughes#34

      No thank you.

  • Reggie C.

    THE RENT IS 2 DAMN HIGH!

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      Apparently they ran a candidate for Senate too

  • Pat D

    Actually, this misses many important dates. Specifically, the days when the postseason awards are announced, and the day the HOF voting is announced.

    Tee hee.