Nov
18

Plan B: Gavin Floyd

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Everyone knows the Yankees are looking to add a quality starting pitcher to their rotation this offseason, and everyone also knows the team wants Cliff Lee to be that guy. He’s proven to be an elite pitcher at the top of his game, and the Yankees have both the need and financial wherewithal to bring him aboard. The Rangers, the team that last employed Lee, also want to keep their ace and are fully expected to make a competitive offer to retain him. This won’t be a CC Sabathia situation, where the Yanks’ offer far exceeded everyone else’s. Given that heightened level of competition, the Yankees no doubt need to have a backup plan and a backup to that backup plan to shore up their rotation.

We know the Yanks have already expressed some interest in Jorge De La Rosa, but another interesting name hit the market yesterday: Gavin Floyd of the White Sox. The ChiSox have multiple needs this offseason, including adding a hitter or two and strengthening the pitching staff. GM Kenny Williams has obliterated the team’s minor league depth over the last two years, parting with a total off eleven prospects (eight pitchers) for Mark Teahan, Edwin Jackson, Juan Pierre, Tony Pena (the reliever), and Jake Peavy since the start of the 2009 season. Although we don’t know what kind of return KW is seeking for Floyd, there’s a good chance that he’s looking to fill multiple holes with one deal similar to what he did when he sent Javy Vazquez to Atlanta.

Floyd is still just 27 years old (28 in January) even though it feels like he’s been around forever. Philadelphia made him the fourth overall pick in the 2001 draft out of a Maryland high school (Mark Teixeira went fifth overall), and three years later he was in the big leagues. The right-hander made 19 starts (and five relief appearances) for the Phightin’s from 2004 through 2006, pitching to a 6.96 ERA that matched his ugly peripherals (6.17 FIP). Frustrated by the ups-and-downs that come with a young pitcher, Philadelphia traded him (and Gio Gonzalez) to the White Sox for Freddy Garcia before the 2007 season.

The South Siders exercised a little more patience than the Phillies did, having Floyd make 17 starts in Triple-A (3.65 FIP) before calling him up to start the second game of a doubleheader in early-June. To say Floyd struggled initially would be an understatement. He allowed ten (!!!) home runs and 25 runs in his first 24.1 innings in Chicago, so the team shifted him to relief for a month or so before giving him another crack at the rotation. The move paid off, as Floyd finished the season with a 3.41 ERA (4.20 FIP) in five starts. Chicago gave him a rotation spot out of Spring Training the next year, and the rest is history.

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Since the start of the 2008 season, Floyd has pitched to a 3.99 ERA (4.02 FIP) in 94 starts, throwing at least 187 innings in each season. It’s been nearly a decade since he was drafted, and Floyd has developed into a rock solid middle-of-the-rotation workhorse for Kenny Williams’ team, eclipsing the 4.0 fWAR mark in each of the last two seasons. That performance earned the righty a four-year contract extension worth $15.5M. That deal will pay Floyd just $5M in 2011 and $7M in 2012 before his 2013 option comes into play ($9.5M with no buyout). Even if he doesn’t improve one bit and remains the same guy going forward, that contract is a steal.

So then why, if Floyd is so young and so productive and signed so (relatively) cheaply, is he on the market? I’m guessing part of it has to do with a lack of other trade pieces. John Danks is off-limits as one of the game’s best young lefties, Mark Buehrle and Peavy are untradeable given their contracts (and in Peavy’s case, his injury), and Edwin Jackson is decidedly mediocre. Like Danks, Gordon Beckham should be off limits. That leaves Floyd as pretty much the only piece on the team’s roster that has legitimate trade value, meaning he’s not overpaid or under-producing or straight up old. Presumably, that’s why he’s available, because the ChiSox really don’t have anyone else to trade.

Floyd’s skill set is pretty simple. He misses a fair number of bats (9.5% swings-and-misses over the last two years, league avg is about 8.5%) and puts up solid strikeout rates (7.4 K/9 since 2009) thanks to a true four-pitch repertoire. Floyd’s fastball has settled into the low-90’s and he throws both a big breaking curveball and a slider. A changeup serves as his fourth pitch, but he only throws it about six percent of the time. The two breaking balls allow Floyd to handle both lefties (.337 wOBA against) and righties (.322) fairly well. His ground ball rate is trending upwards, going from 41.2% in 2008 to 44.3% in 2009 to 49.9% this year, and sure enough his homerun rate is trending downwards as a result: 1.31 HR/9 in 2008, 0.98 in 2009, and 0.67 in 2010. Remember, US Cellular Field is a homerun park, so those homer rates are a bit inflated. The only real concern is that Floyd missed the last two weeks of the season with tightness in his throwing shoulder, but he didn’t need surgery and the ChiSox shut him down as more of a precaution than anything.

The problem I see is that the two teams don’t really line up for a trade. Williams asked the Rockies for third baseman Ian Stewart in return and the Yanks simply don’t have that kind of bat to give up. The ChiSox already have a speedy singles hitter in Pierre so Brett Gardner doesn’t do much of anything, and you know they won’t want Nick Swisher back. That leaves Curtis Granderson, but I can’t imagine the Yanks will cut bait on him so soon after all the progress he made late in the season. Based on the present construction of their team, the White Sox are trying to win now, so a bunch of prospects probably won’t cut it. I just don’t see how this would work from where I sit, but KW likes to do crazy stuff, so maybe he figures out a three team trade or something. I’m not sure if the timing will work out either, meaning the ChiSox might want to act and make a trade before Lee is ready to sign, but that’s the nature of the beast.

We know the White Sox are at least willing to listen to offers for their young right-hander, and we also know the Yankees need to pick up at least one starting pitcher this offseason. The fit might not be there in terms of trade pieces, but Floyd makes a ton of sense for the Yankees and he’s a great Plan B should they be unable to land Cliff Lee for whatever reason.

Categories : Hot Stove League
  • JobaWockeeZ

    If they get Lee and Pettitte retires I still think they should go for Floyd. We’ll see a lower BABIP this eya rbut a probable increase in homers but he should still be a 3.70-4.00 FIP pitcher.

    And the Yankees defense can certainly help him out. I go for him unless the cost is Montero.

  • Yank the Frank

    AJ (he just needs a change of scene Kenny) straight up.

  • AndrewYF

    This is Kenny Williams we’re talking about. Some combination of Nova, Pena, and Wilson Betemit should be enough.

  • Jamie

    Is this the mystery pitcher post that we have all been waiting for?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      No, that’s coming at some point. I promise.

      • Clay Bellinger

        Why must you keep us waiting?!!

      • theyankeewarrior

        I’ve been holding my breath for about 2 weeks. I can’t wait much loner.

        • theyankeewarrior

          loner, longer, same idea

  • http://www.richardiurilli.com/ Richard Iurilli

    Sign Wilson Betemit and send him to the White Sox with two nobodies.

    Get it done, Cash!

  • Doug

    Trading Grandy for Floyd, signing Crawford, and moving Gardner to CF doesn’t make some sense Mike?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Sure, but I’m not a fan of dealing Granderson.

      • Doug

        I don’t completely disagree, but if we’re really in need of a pitcher Plan B….

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      I’m not Mike, but:

      It makes some sense, but I don’t think the Sox are looking for an outfielder. They already have Pierre, Rios, and Quentin penciled in for 2011 (with Pierre the only non-long-term fixture). Two of their top 5 prospects are also outfielders (Jared Mitchell, Jordan Danks).

      They need infielders. That’s why they asked for Stewart. Flipping Floyd for Granderson would simply necessitate a second move of Quentin (or a benching of Pierre), which probably won’t get you as good of an infielder.

      We probably don’t have what they’re looking for, as Mike said. We’re not trading Cano, and our other infielders (Nuñez, Laird, Miranda) are either too raw or not positions of need for the Sox.

      • Doug

        hadn’t analyzed their roster, tsjc, but your assessment makes sense….thanks

      • Thomas

        The White Sox have been offering Quentin in a deal, so he doesn’t seem to be part of their long term plans. Mitchell is only in low A at this point so he too far off to be a major factor in the White Sox’s plans. Jordan Danks really isn’t very good, he hasn’t shown much power, patience, or contact skills. Danks only OPSed .685 in 502 AAA PA (at age 23) and .693 in 330 AA PA (at age 22). His K/PA rate is 3.3 in AAA.

        I don’t think they should be against adding a good OF, especially if they get a decent IF prospect with him (e.g. Nunez or Laird).

      • JAG

        I was going to suggest Adams, but then I remembered what position Gordan Beckham usually plays. That and the whole ankle thing.

        I could still see a 3-team deal involving Gardner or Granderson moving and Crawford being brought in, but that only really makes sense if the Yankees miss out on Lee due to the contract that Crawford will require.

  • joey24

    why is everyone basing AJ like hes not a good pitcher does everyone forget how good he was in the beginning of the season he just had a down year i can almost guarantee that he will bounce back and will bounce back lovely to shut all the AJ haters up

    • Clay Bellinger

      So are you saying that you wouldn’t trade AJ for Floyd given the opportunity?

      • joey24

        No because when AJ is at the top of his game he is untouchable why would you trade a potential ace on anyone elses staff for a middle of the rotation guy? and also no one in the world is perfect everyone has a down year im sure if AJ has another down year again then you consider moving him but to trade him now is ridiculous

        • Doug

          “and also no one in the world is perfect everyone has a down year”

          are you derek jeter’s agent in disguise

        • Clay Bellinger

          Because he’s not “at the top of his game” often enough.

          I’m a big AJ fan myself, but given the recent performance, age, and salary of the two pitchers, I’d make this trade in a heartbeat. At this point, AJ is what he is…and that it not an ace. He’s a wildy erratic pitcher who has the potential and stuff to dominate any given start. He’ll be 34 yrs old soon, he’s not going to be the ace of any legit starting rotation.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            That.

            Pitcher A, 2008-2010:
            94 starts, 586.2 IP (6.23 IP/S), 3.99 ERA (114 ERA+), 1.285 WHIP, 7.0 K/9, 2.9 BB/9, 1.0 HR/9

            Pitcher B, 2008-2010:
            100 starts, 615.0 IP (6.15 IP/S), 4.42 ERA (99 ERA+), 1.413 WHIP, 8.4 K/9, 3.8 BB/9, 1.0 HR/9

            Before you even get into the fact that Pitcher A is younger and owed far less over the next three years, it’s already a slam dunk.

            Floyd >>>>>>> Burnett.

      • theyankeewarrior

        Dude, the Yankees would trade AJ Burnett AND prospects for Floyd. But that doesn’t matter because the White Sox would say no.

        • theyankeewarrior

          Reply fail. I need to work on my RAB skills. It’s going to be a long offseason.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      why is everyone basing AJ like hes not a good pitcher does everyone forget how good he was in the beginning of the season he just had a down year i can almost guarantee that he will bounce back and will bounce back lovely to shut all the AJ haters up

      http://www.amazon.com/Eats-Sho.....038;sr=8-1

      • joey24

        I didnt know that this was an english class sorry professor

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          The reason they taught you English in class was because they wanted you to use it in the rest of your life to speak clearly and intelligently.

          They taught you so that you wouldn’t sound like an uneducated simpleton, and your points and opinions would be communicated effectively in a manner that is easy to understand.

          I’m not asking you to develop cold fusion, I’m asking you to mix in the occasional comma and capital letter.

          • Sick Nwisher

            Are you serious? This is a Yankee blog, he is not writing a paper for college.
            Can you ask the person, who inserted the stick, to kindly remove it?

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Again, I’m not asking him to cite his sources in MLA format.

              Asking for a fucking comma shouldn’t be an impossibly difficult request.

              • Jonathan

                just another example of the RAB cyber badass tommie. the creators and writers complain about the website and the comments but let this guy constantly attempt his poor keith law impression all day every day. it’s like when you’re on a team where the coach has a son that plays too. Except, when you show up 5 minutes late you’re running poles, and when he shows up late, nothing. Nobody will respect your guidelines if you continue to let your friend be a total douche.

                ya a lot of people say stupid shit on here….but you don’t have to be such a snarky asshole 24/7. I know damn well i’m not alone in this sentiment. If you REALLY want your comments back and for “outsiders” to get more involved in your site, maybe you should make it so it’s actually an enjoyable experience to talk about your favorite team with other fans of the Yankees.

                I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, your writing and analysis is impeccable but this double standard of the comments is inexcusable. They’re your friends. You should treat them differently than strangers…just not here.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  Asking for a fucking comma is not being a douche. Refusing to insert a simple comma into your comment makes you a douche.

                  Gimme a friggin break here.

                  • J.R.

                    I think the point is that you don’t have to be a dick about it.

                  • joey24

                    Dude it’s f*ckin comment. If you dont’t like it then don’t read it. I didn’t know that if I didn’t use proper english in a comments section I’d be crucified.

                  • JAG

                    Well I’m obviously in the minority, but I’m with tommie on this one. He’s not even making an exorbitant request. Punctuation exists to break up long blocks of text to make it more readable and understandable. It’s much more difficult to make sense out of a long run-on sentence with no breaks, so even if you have a good point in there, it’s much harder to find.

                    It’s not even like you’re texting and don’t have easy access to all the necessary keys.

            • Thomas

              Look at your writing and look at Joey24’s writing. They have major differences.

              TJSC isn’t asking for Dicken-esque prose, just punctuation. It makes the comment much easier to read and makes it much easier to understand the commenter’s point. It also makes the commenter look smarter.

        • pat

          It helps people take you seriously.

  • Gary

    Gavin Floyd seems like a decent pitcher to take a chance on. Don’t like his ERA being about 4, but I can learn to live with it because the Yanks have great numbers on offense.

    Joey24 Burnett is going to have to convince me last season was a fluke. Another season like last year will not be tolerated by Yankee fans.

    The Yankees outfield is fine with Grandy, Gardner and Swisher for another year. Anyway, I think Crawford is going to the Angels.

    • joey24

      Thats exactly what I said i understand that this is NY but I mean come on the guy can’t have one down season he did just help us win the world series. If he does have another down year then you consider moving him.

      • theyankeewarrior

        At this point, AJ Burnett is unmovable. No one would take on his contract. But, if they had a chance to dump him on a team like the Sox AND get a guy like Floyd in return, it’s a no-brainer.

        • dalelama

          They would take Jose Lima straight up for AJ Burnett in a New York minute.

  • http://www.twitter.com/astrophunq Dax J.

    I’m thinking the same thing as Mike. He’s a very nice option, but I don’t see who the Yankees can trade for Floyd. A three-way trade is the most logical choice. Who do you guys think can be the third party in that trade?

    • http://www.blogs.thetenthinningstretch.com the tenth inning stretch

      Well, the Sox and Phillies have been discussing a Quentin-to-Philly deal so maybe they could combine the two trades into a 3-way deal.

  • Jimmy McNulty

    Seems like a good fall back option should Pettitte retire, if Cliff Lee doesn’t sign it’s probably the best chance they’re going to get.

  • steve (different one)

    I’m confused, the article says that the chisox moved a starter into the bellpen then back into the rotation, and the universe did NOT implode upon itself. How is this possible? Only teams that can’t develop pitching would ever do something so crazy and unorthodox.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Did they do it midseason? No?

      Did they give up on him the moment he struggled in the rotation and move him back to the bullpen permanently? No?

      That’s what I thought.

      • steve (different one)

        Yes, they did move him mid-season. In fact, he went starter bullpen starter bullpen starter all in the same season.

        To be clear, I wasn’t trying to defend Joba’s move to the pen in 2010 and beyond. I was more just making light of how teams use young starting pitchers in relief fairly frequently, but it’s not the media shitstorm that the Joba situation created in 2008-2009.

        I was also poking fun at the “yankees can’t develop pitchers” meme from yesterday’s shitshow.

        You are preaching to the choir on your second point, sorry that wasn’t clear.

        Apologize in advance if this gets double-posted, didn’t go through the first time

        • Not Tank the Frank

          Yeah, not for nothing, but Gavin Floyd and Phil Hughes are strikingly similar. The only difference being that Hughes is doing at 24 what Floyd is doing at 26 and 27.

          We’re talking about a 4th overall pick. If you would have told me that Phil Hughes would turn into Gavin Floyd, I would have been happy. But Hughes is going to be better than Gavin Floyd.

    • Mike HC

      The key is the part where they moved him back into the rotation.

  • Mike HC

    I would give our AAA guys a chance before trading anything of value for Floyd or any other mediocre starter. We can wait until mid season to see how our rotation is doing before making a trade like this.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      I would give our AAA guys a chance before trading anything of value for Floyd or any other mediocre starter.

      The past three years, Floyd has put up a 114 ERA+. That’s not a “mediocre starter”. Mediocre starters aren’t 14% better than league average.

      For reference’s sake, Andy Pettitte’s ERA+ over the past two seasons (the two good ones, not the injury plagued 2008 season) was 117.

      • Mike HC

        Not a huge fan. Would not expect him to be a reliable starter on the Yanks. If you like him, thats cool too. I just would not give up anything for him. If he was a free agent, he would be a solid plan B. Not as a trade in my opinion.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Then say “I’m not a huge fan” and don’t call him mediocre. He hasn’t been mediocre recently, he’s been a pretty damn good starting pitcher.

          • Mike HC

            A 1.37 whip last year in the AL Central is mediocre in my book.

            • Thomas

              His WHIP was high this year, because of his H/9 based off of a high .327 BABIP. In 2008 and 2009, his WHIPs were 1.260 and 1.228, respectively (though his BABIP were .259 and .285,, which might be too low).

              Also, Pettitte’s WHIP the past two years 1.271 and 1.382.

              • Not Tank the Frank

                This. He’s trending into a GB pitcher. Groundball pitchers will tend to have higher BABIP (sorry I didn’t spell it out Bill James). Even though the White Sox infield defense good, he’s subject to have years with a .327 BABIP especially when it coincides with a career high GB %.

                I expect similar high BABIP and H/9 rates if he’s traded to the Yankees.

            • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

              Seeing as the 2010 average WHIP for the AL Central was 1.38, Floyd was once again better than average. If Mediocre = average to below average and Floyd = better than average, then Floyd =/= Mediocre.

              • Mike HC

                ok

      • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

        I agree. Pretty much by definition “mediocre” starter are average to slightly below average.

        Oh no! I just talked about the definition of a word!!! Did I just make this an English class?

        • Mike HC

          I live in the Yankee universe where things are compared to the top 4-8 teams in the league. Even slightly above average for all of MLB is mediocre for a Yankee starter.

          And yes, I am not getting into a definition debate right now either.

          • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

            And yes, I am not getting into a definition debate right now either.

            1- I wasn’t expecting you to.
            2- I didn’t know that there was such a thing as a “definition debate” seeing as definitions are pretty, forgiving the redundancy, definitive.

    • Mattchu12

      Agreed.

      Even without Andy, we’d have CC-Lee-Hughes-Burnett in our front four. That’s a pretty good front four when you consider that AJ probably will be closer to 2009 than 2010, and we are letting his contract blind us from the fact that he’s a fourth starter on this team.

      Unless we’re getting a big arm like a Zack Greinke (don’t start, I know it’s unlikely) in a trade, I’m a lot more keen on seeing what Ivan Nova can do out of the fifth spot. Maybe take a chance on someone like Rich Harden (who could be a bullpen guy?), Justin Duscherer, Scott Olsen, or Jeff Francis.

      • A.D.

        Well for one Lee isn’t signed and the nature of this post is plan B for Lee not signing. So when you consider that the rotation is:

        CC: Rock solid
        Hughes: Good season, should build on, but ERA ~5 past mid-may
        Burnett: Which AJ will we get?

        Personally all for bringing in a quality, proven arm like Floyd.

        • YankeesJunkie

          I´m all for it too, but I don´t think he is worth a Montero or even a Banuelos everyone else is on the table.

        • Mattchu12

          My bad, i was thinking Plan B if one of Lee and Pettitte doesn’t sign.

  • felixE

    I think this Upton thing is going to take off. Until that finishes, you can’t really say anything about a Floyd deal. Also, it’s too early to write AJ off — I don’t understand last year at all. How can the loss of a pitching coach cause such a collapse? He didn’t even have a history with the guy. I don’t get it. Upton signs on and Gardy becomes key for Floyd deal.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      None of what you just said makes sense.

      • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

        I wouldn’t say none of it makes sense. Here are a couple of points he made that I can agree with

        1- I don’t get it.
        2- …

        That is all.

    • Mike HC

      True. Depending on if the Yanks are serious about getting Upton, they should hold off on trading any possible players that could be included in that deal. They can’t wait forever though. They need to make a decision if they have not already so they can move on with their off season.

      • Mike HC

        And if they do trade for Upton, then one of their outfielders all of sudden become trade bait.

        I don’t see the Yanks getting Upton in reality though, so it is probably moot. You never know though.

        As for Burnett, you are obviously right. That pitching coach narrative was a bunch of bullshit. Gimme a break.

  • A.D.

    Would love some Gavin Floyd, but unfortunately does seem like there isn’t a ton of match there without a 3rd team involved looking for prospects for an infielder. If only David Adams were ready for prime-time.

  • Monteroisdinero

    Floyd is good but this is the guy we should get and who Mike will tell us about.

    http://www.eddiefeigner.com

    /unfortunately no longer available

  • YankeesJunkie

    Floyd would be nice option for the Yankees, but I think that price of Granderson and prospects would be too high at this point considering that Granderson is coming off a down year where he was injured and still put a WAR of 3.6 in 530 PAs. The only way this deal gets done is if a third team can give the White Sox the MLB ready help while the Yankees give up top 5 prospect plus an upper level decent prospect.

  • Sal

    When Texas makes their offer to Lee. Can or will Lee’s agent lie about the years and dollar amount of the deal to drive up the Yankees offer? Does this happen often during the free agency process?

  • swo

    Trading for Floyd will just prove once again the inability of the Yankees to develop their own pitching.

    /Rob’d

  • http://www.joelefkowitz.com joe lefko

    lee
    cc
    floyd
    hughes
    burnett

    c montero
    1b teix
    2b cano
    3b arod
    ss jeter
    of upton
    of swisher
    of grandy/gardy
    dh posada

    upton -> grandy/gardy, all 3 killa b’s
    floyd -> joba, laird

    162-0

    get it done cash.

    • http://www.joelefkowitz.com joe lefko

      how silly of me. swap joba, with grandy/gardy, sign carl crawford.

      163,-1

  • Ted Nelson

    “so the team shifted him to relief for a month or so before giving him another crack at the rotation.”

    They had no plan!!!!! (Runs around wildly like head was just chopped off) They ruined his life and have no idea how to develop pitchers!!!!!!!

    Basically the reaction when the Yankees put a struggling prospect in the pen…

  • http://twitter.com/Mattpat11 Matt DiBari

    I’ve noticed a disturbing trend over the last decade or so. When the Yankees actually set out to acquire a middle of the rotation or back of the rotation starter, the guy they get almost never lives up to even those lofty goals. The 2000’s are littered with Jaret Wrights and Carl Pavanos and Kei Igawas and Javy Vazquez (the second time)

    • Mike HC

      Because middle of the rotation guys for almost every other team in MLB baseball is not middle of the rotation for the Yanks. The AL East is a whole nother ball game, and even further, the Yanks are another ball game on top of that. I think the Yanks have started to realize that these past couple of years which is why I highly doubt they trade for this guy.

      With Javy last year, they thought they were getting the guy who was 4th in the Cy Young voting the year before, and Cashman obviously had a thing for the guy evidenced by the fact he traded for him two different times. I hope Cash does not have the same man love for Gavin.

  • Granderslam

    I’m assuming this still isn’t our mystery pitcher…

    I would be on board for Gavin if Lee/Pettitte do not sign, but it all depends on what we have to give up. Does anyone know what the White Sox are in need for, what they would be interested in return? I know you mentioned a Power Bat like Granderson, but what other areas are they looking to fill that we know of?

  • virginia yankee

    THERE WAS A HOPEFUL NOTE IN THERE SOMEWHERE to the effect that Cashman can’t allow the team to age gracefully into being uncompetitive. The team is aging rapidly and the process is not reversible with players like Cervelli, Gardner, or even Montero if he has “Fists of Stone”, so at best he is an experiment, possibly more use in a trade for UPTON e.g., than as a keeper. IF THE TEAM WAS YOUNG PRODUCTIVE AND FILLED WITH POTENTIAL (SEE 1996 YANKEES) IT COULD CARRY JEETS into his dotage. CANO at 2B pinching, a Brooks Robinson, or Clete Boyer 3B pinching, with shallow playing CF would do the defensive trick supported by a high K rate pitching staff. Then just find some swing speed and change his plate approach so he doesn’t jam himself. BEING HARSH IF JEETS showed up today without the 16 year history HE WOULD NOT PLAY. Cashman can’t do anything about AROD – his 3B prowess allowed JEETS to win the first 2 Gold Gloves (along with Jeter’s agility work). NOW AROD’S HIP has stolen his range — he can’t help Jeter — the keftt side is a sieve that will get worse AND the OFFENSE will also get worse —

    WHAT TO DO – Press Release – “DJ is the ultimate winner and team player — The YANKEES are delighted to offer $20M a year for 3 years with 2 option years HELD BY THE TEAM. All will be well if JEETS finds the fountain of youth or can learn to lift and pull the ball as a plate approach, making him DH capable — he is NOT SCRAWNY – it is technique. Assuming he remains DJJ 2010 version with further decline he won’t burden the team by moving to the bench. The Yankees win the PR war; and very hopefully secure the player by creating a golden parachute. NO YANKEE FAN will be upset if JEETS turns it down.

    WITH THAT DONE –CASHMAN CAN OVERPAY MO for 40 appearances and 35 saves–

    WITH THAT DONE – get some young talent begiining with C and OF cause with AROD JETER locked in for the next year at least there is nowhere else to get YOUNG – PLEASE FORGET GARDNER he is part of the problem – he is a delight, even a useful part of a potent lineup — he is a luxury on a team that grows less potent every day.

    Put aside the 16 years as ICON — compare age and stats — start with J. DAMON — not a SS but offensively equally productive — and I am sure there are closer better comparisons. CREATING A BOTTLENECK AT SS and 3B will build the BALTIMORE RIPKENs that from 1996 onward became the present day Orioles

    IF JEETS doesn’t take the deal then he won’t get his 3000 hit as a YANKEE but that is a personal stat.

  • nycsportzfan

    i think Floyd is a splendid idea.. I would like to add Cliff Lee and Floyd if possible, and team with CC, PHIL and AJ, if andy’s not to return… If Andy is 2 return, then whatever, i guess theres no room for him…

    I think the yanks have as loaded a Minor League System as we’ve had in yrs, and a Package of Brandon Laird, Adam Warren, Austin Romine and David Adams should at least be a place to start from…