Talks with Jeter and Rivera to start in a day or two

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Via Jon Heyman, the Yankees will start talking to Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera (or their agents, anyway) about new contracts in the next day or two. The five-day window for teams to negotiate exclusively with their free agents expires at midnight Saturday, but that doesn’t really matter for these guys. The Yanks are going to pay both players far more than any other team will be willing to offer, so they have little to lose by taking their time and seeing how things play out.

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  • CountryClub

    Actually, I’d be surprised if Mo couldn’t get 1 yr/15 mil on the open market.

    • Mister Delaware

      First glance, I agreed, but the reliever market really tanked last year. No reliever got more than $15MM total package (excepting Chapman, who I assume was signed to be a starter). Valverde is a decent (very) poor man’s comp and he only got $7MM annually. Of course, I’m not convinced enough where I’d risk letting him see if he could.

      • Mister Delaware

        (Fun note: I had to say “no reliever got more than” rather than “no reliever even got” because … Ed Wade and Brandon Lyon. $15MM over 3 years. Laughter.)

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          The biggest flaw in your argument:

          Mo is not a reliever. He’s a killer.

          • Poopy Pants

            Leave his swimming pool out of this.

            • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Always a ray of sunshine, you are.

              • Poopy Pants

                I try.

  • nsalem

    or 2 for 30

  • TFish

    What team wouldn’t want either of them? Jeter is only 174 hits from 3000!! First and only Yankee to accomplish that!! Pay him Hank!

    • Steve H

      Luckily it’s Hal that’s making the call not Hank. If it were Hank Jeter would get 8/$300 million and Mo would get 4/$100 million.

    • Klemy

      More of a question of “What team wouldn’t want either of them for what the Yankees are about to pay them?”

    • Mister Delaware

      I’d say more than half the teams in baseball wouldn’t want Jeter assuming he’s making upwards of $10MM. Probably more than half. Rivera would generate substantially more interest.

  • Mike HC

    In reality, both of these guys should get two year deals for like 15 million per year. I don’t think Jeter is going to be happy with that though.

    • paulb

      Agree. Especially Jeter. Aging shortstops with limited range who hit .260 and ground into DP’s at a high rate don’t rate $10+ MM contracts. Hope Jeter is reasonable and gets his 3K hit as a Yank!

      • MikeD

        He’s going to more than $15 million per. I don’t really care what they pay him. I care more about the length of the contract.

      • OldYanksFan

        Jeter reasonable?
        Ya know… Bernie STILL has not retired yet.

        • Ed

          The benefit of Bernie officially retiring:

          He can collect an MLB pension when he turns 65. As long as he retires before September 13, 2033, it makes no difference to him when he retires.

  • Yank the Frank

    You hope both sides are reasonable and that it gets done quickly. Let the Met’s retain the title of Trash Team of NY.

  • CountryClub

    We should keep in mind that the last time Mo was a FA, things didnt exactly go smoothly. Posada was a FA that same yr and they both had slightly bumpy negotiations.

    We all expect Mo to be happy with a 1 or 2 yr deal…but what if he wants 3? I don’t see Cash giving that to him.

    For the record, I don’t think he’ll push for 3 yrs.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Shorter version:

      What if something bad happens? Something bad could happen.

      I don’t think anything bad will happen.

      • Slugger27


    • Chris

      The negotiations last time went very smoothly. Sure, there were some negotiations, but there wasn’t anything that went wrong or anyone sticking to unreasonable demands.

      • OldYanksFan

        Posada and year 4 wasn’t the Yankees’ idea.

    • Ed

      Negotiations last time:

      Yankees: How’s 3 years, $39m sound?

      Rivera: I dunno, I’ll think about it.

      One week later

      Yankees: Ok ok, how about 3 years, $45m?

      Rivera: How about 4 years?

      Yankees: No.

      Rivera: Ok, I’ll take it. Oh, and I would’ve been ok with 2 years.

  • OldYanksFan

    Also, the Mets were taking a quasi-serious run at Posada last time around, and Mo, at 37, still commanded interest.

    As great as Mo still is, he is 40, and was treated with kid gloves last year. I don’t think Mo is selfish, and would go year-to-year. Not so with Jeter. Are there ANY teams that would go higher then 2/$25 for Jeter?

    • MikeD

      It’s certainly possible. By the numbers, FanGraph rated Jeter’s 2010 season as delivering just about $10 million in value. They also rated him as the third best SS in the league and ninth in all of MLB. So while we may feel the pain of seeing a lesser Jeter, he’s still better than the majority of SS’s in the game. Yes, the SS market has tanked since the days of the Holy Trinity, and when Tejada and Vizquel could barely get noticed. He’s also basically the best availble SS on the market, unless one wishes to kneel at the altar of Uribe. Not recommended.

      Add in that he is Derek Jeter, rated the most popular and marketable figure in the game, and a future HOFer who will deliver his 3,000th hit sometime in 2010. Uribe will not sell a single seat when he shows up on some MLB team, yet Derek Jeter coming in to most any team will generate additional ticket sales, most importantly in the the form of increased season plans. Throw in the interest around his 3,000th hit, making Jeter a player who can help a team on the field compared to most of the competition, but will also generate additional dollars. That’s why I laugh when I hear people on other sports boards compare Jeter to Marco Scutaro, suggesting Scutaro’s contract is basically what the Yankees should pay Jeter.

      So which teams? I don’t know. If the Giants let Uribe go, I can certainly see them paying Jeter more than 2/25. They seem to enjoy older players and they have the money to pay. A very likely team is the Tigers. Jeter is a native son and they certainly can use some of the buzz that Jeter will deliver to drive additional ticket sales. Jeter might be concerned about losing some of his marketing mojo, yet who is Jeter’s main advertiser? Hmmmm…some company named Ford. A Detroit-based car company. They might actually increase his spokesperson contract! So, yes, if Detroit thought they could steal Jeter, they would. I just think most team’s rightly think they have no chance to get Jeter. They’ll change their minds if contracts turn, ummm, what’s the word? Messy. Feelings get hurt. Egos get in the way. A divorce happens.

  • Andrew Brotherton

    If the Tigers were to sign Jeter we would get the 16th pick in draft. Although it would be tough to see him sign somewhere else, I wouldn’t complain too much.