Yankees trade Juan Miranda to D’Backs for not Justin Upton
ByThe Yankees have traded first baseman/designated hitter Juan Miranda to the Diamondbacks for right-handed pitching prospect Scottie Allen. The moves frees up a 40-man roster spot as well. Allen was Arizona’s 11th round pick in 2009, and this year he posted a 2.97 FIP (9.12 K/9, 2.54 BB/9) in 16 starts (78 IP) with their Low-A affiliate. I can’t find anything on the kid, no scouting report, nothing. He is listed at 6-foot-1 and 170 lbs., so there’s that. Oh, and he doesn’t turn 20 until next July, so he’s just a pup. Obviously the Kevin Towers factor comes into play here, and chances are this is the “small player move” Brian Cashman teased earlier in the week.
Miranda was a man without a home with the Yankees, getting buried behind Mark Teixeira and even Nick Swisher on the first base depth chart. He crushed Triple-A pitching (.377 wOBA) in his three years down there, but he never got much of an opportunity with the big league team. In 94 plate appearances with New York, he put up a more than respectable .343 wOBA. Miranda was out of options, so if he didn’t break camp with the Yanks next year he would have had to clear waivers to go back to minors. He’ll get a better shot in Arizona, so good luck to him.
Update: Joel Sherman has a mini-scouting report on Allen. Says he’s 88-93 with a chance for an above average curveball. They like his arm action and his control, evidenced by his walk-rate this season. Interesting arm, they weren’t going to get much for Miranda since he was out of options. A prospect of Allen’s caliber is about the best they could have hoped for.
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great move
juan might actually get a chance in the bigs and that kid had some decent numbers 8.9 K/9 and 2.7 BB/9.
Yeah that will happen in the majors sitting at 88-91.
Another mistake by the Yankees dumped for peanuts.
He is 19. He could definitely still add velocity and improve his other pitches.
you right control pitchers can’t live in the low 90′s/high 80′s. Tell that to cliff lee…
Or Greg Maddux. Or Tom Glavine. Or Mike Mussina. Absolutely right, it’s hopeless, we should just cut the kid.
Where is Miranda going to play? A 19 year old who strikes out people and doens’t walk much is a good thing to have.
better than a AAAA player who’s only options are blocked by much better players.
Montero >>>>> Miranda
JoPo (DH) >>>>> Miranda
Teix >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Miranda
He’s a fine bench guy. Better than a Single-A bullpen arm.
yea because miranda was so valuable to the future of our team… ill take a 19 year old that dominated single a over a 27 year old AAAA player any day of the week
Overreact much? How was Miranda a “mistake”? He was a low cost gamble that wound up blocked by a better player. He was acquired for peanuts and traded for peanuts. Who cares?
Scottie Allen to the 8th!!!!
ietc
All this does is make me want to keep refreshing MLBTR.
Upton, Jeter, Lee, Cashman, Lee, Upton, Jeter, Cashman, Jeter, Lee, Jeter, Lee, Jeter, Mo, Andy, Jeter, Upton, Jeter, Andy, Lee, Mo, Jeter, Upton, Jeter, Lee, Cashman, Lee, Upton, Jeter, Cashman, Jeter, Lee, Jeter, Lee, Jeter, Mo, Andy, Jeter, Upton, Jeter, Andy, Lee, Mo, Jeter
Make something happen!
/impatient’d
Poopy Pants made fun of me when I said it was a bullpen move or minor league trade. So to you Poopy Pants, HAHAHA.
Anyway, I am happy for Juan, he finally has a chance to play full time. I hope for the best with him.
He made dun of you for the way you stated it. It sounded (read?) as if you didn’t get the Pedroia joke.
It was actually a minor-league bullpen trade. So you were double right?
Glad Miranda will get a better chance to play. Hopefully this is breaking the ice, so talks about Upton can get serious.
I always liked Miranda and thought he should have gotten a chance to be the platoon DH instead of trading for Berkman. I think he will succeed with the DBacks and happy he finally gets a rightfully deserved chance to play in the Majors. Happy the Yanks were able to a get a young talent back for him as well though.
I can’t find anything about this not to like.
Miranda was out of options (and of limited value anyway) and therefore had no role on the team. Scottie Allen is a hard(ish) throwing 19 year old kid in A-ball who doesn’t require a 40-man spot and won’t even be R5 eligible for like 3 more years.
Even if Allen never amounts to shit, we got a lottery ticket for a guy we probably would have DFA’d at some point in the near future.
This, plus the “small player move” wasn’t re-acquiring Aaron Small. Double win.
This.
What he said in bold.
Don’t knock what you get in a deal for a surplus player. We traded Alberto Gonzalez to the Nats for Jhonny Nunez way back when, and Nunez ended up being part of the Swisher deal.
Miranda had no future in the Bronx, while Allen could help us at some point on the field in a trade.
or in a trade*
Trade Allen back to the Dbacks as part of trade for Upton.
Apparently the AZ Snakepit guys were fans of Allen. Their prospect guru had him as the 8th best DBacks prospect.
http://www.azsnakepit.com/2010.....om-yankees
Sickels didn’t have him in his top 20 DBacks prospects, but he was in the “Others” section (along with Zach Kroenke).
if thats true..man what a steal
There goes my idea of acquiring Gavin Floyd for a package of Miranda and Venditte.
Perhaps Jorge Vazquez can take Miranda’s place?
Let’s see the Yankees trade Melancon for Berkman because they didn’t want to play Miranda only to trade Miranda for a lesser bullpen arm.
Berkman with the Yankees? 91 OPS+
Miranda with the Yankees? 90 OPS+
Makes sense.
Berkman was much better in the playoffs with a much longer track record than Miranda. You know this.
He was 5 for 16 in the post-season. That’s hardly earth shaking. In the ALCS he sucked.
Who didn’t suck during the ALCS?
dude, he hit .313 with a homer and knocked in 4 runs in a platoon role against postseason pitching. Let’s see Miranda do that.
That’s .312, if he was 6-16 it would be .375, anything more and he would hit over .400
Miranda in 3 seasons provided .3 fWAR…berkman in half a season less gave us the same.
Ummmmm, Berkman got more PAs in that half season than Miranda got in those three combined. Thanks for proving my point.
Berkman had an amazing 20 more AB’s. Oh man what a difference. Honestly if you were going to pick between berkman or a 27 year old journeyman…you honestly would take miranda? In a follow up question…if you took miranda…are you friggin nuts?
Anyone who would choose Miranda in that scenario should be banned from all MLB front offices…actually, they should be banned from all baseball blogs.
You’re actually choosing Berkman over Miranda + Melancon, which makes it marginally closer, but probably doesn’t change the end result.
Well, to be fair, you’re choosing Berkman + Allen over Miranda + Melancon, which almost certainly makes up the difference.
Come on man, don’t compare Juan Miranda to Lance Berkman.
Yeah, silly statistics…
Berkman was great with the glove too. Nah, there’s no comparison there at all.
You’re looking at the statistics from a part of one season man. So the Yanks should’ve disregarded the rest of Berkman’s career when deciding who would be better to have in the lineup over the last couple months between the two players?
…and since you like stats so much, why don’t you check out Lance’s UZR? Not so bad bro.
Quit making a fool of yourself and comparing a legit major league player to a scrub.
I’m with you. I don’t think the Yanks ever gave Miranda enough respect. Towers obviously saw his value in the short time he was here.
Lets just hope the guy we got in return is pretty good. Everyone seems to be relatively ignorant about him, so time will tell.
What does this have to do with the 2011 Yankees? Nothing. Lance Berkman isn’t blocking Miranda anymore, Posada and Teixeira are. He’s out of options. Makes sense to trade him.
I get that you didn’t like the Berkman trade, but it’s irrelevant now.
Nice deal.
Agreed, nice move. Really nothing bad that can be said about this.
Except that swapping Miranda and Melancon for Berkman and this bullpen fodder is a loss of value.
They sacrificed a tiny bit of value that they probably would have had to give up anyway (Miranda was out of options) for an upgrade to their ALCS starting lineup.
That’s something that you do every time.
Berkman was awesome in the ALDS. Aside from Grandy, he was our best hitter.
This is a MINOR MOVE that is completely unrelated to Lance Berkman.
Correction: they sacrificed Melancon’s value for Berkman and Miranda’s tiny value for the upside and control (both in years of control and pitch command) of Scottie.
Berkman still has nothing to do with this move.
why would it be a loss in value when they weren’t traded for each other? Unless you have a crystal ball and know how Allen is going to end up when he hits the MLB level, it’d not value lost when bother Miranda and Melcancon provided no value for us this year and probably no value for the future.
Where’s all this value that they lost? Miranda? It became pretty damn apparent that they had no use for him at the ML level.
Sounds like a 19 year old David Robertson. Low 90′s FB, potentially good curveball, slight build. Perhaps Allen will be ready to take over for David Robertson when he hits FA.
I don’t think so. Robertson has an insane K-rate, while Allen’s is good, not great. I’m not sure who a good comparison for Allen, but it’s hard to place a comparison on him when he’s still so young and undeveloped.
9.1 k/9 for a starter is pretty impressive. But, yeah, trying to pin his future down at this point is an exercise in futility. I was just making a potential (and perhaps lazy) comparison.
Yeah, not much sense in trying to figure out what he is yet. Considering Miranda was going to be a waste of 40 man roster spot, getting someone with any upside at all seems like you can call the trade a win from the get-go even if he doesn’t pan out.
The low 90′s FB, good CB and slight build do describe Robertson, he’s just a lot better and K’s guys at a much higher rate. I see what he was getting at, stuff-wise it seems like a decent comparison, but performance-wise not really.
Wait, we traded with the Diamondbacks and didn’t acquire Justin Upton? What the hell, Cashman?
Cashman will probably just try to slip Justin Upton’s name into the fine print of the trade agreement. Pull a fast one on his BFF Towers.
Dude’s a ninja.
This has to be said:
Scottie? I mean, is he 6 years old?
or a HOF small forward?
Apparently his full name is Richard Scott Allen. So on the plus side at least he isn’t Dickie.
Worked out ok for Pippen.
Scottie doesn’t know
sad news, he had two walk offs in his yankee career (1 in 2009, and 1 in 2010)
leaves us with no immediate 1B depth
I’d say Nick Swisher is the back up 1B with Posada, Nunez, and Pena all able to play there if needed.
Nick Swisher
Nick Swisher. Jesus if push comes to shove.
Nick Johnson.
brandon laird
i can see it now, miranda does well and all the ig’nant yankee fans go GREAT MOVE CASH IZ TEH SUXOR
You think that is going to have to wait until Miranda does something well?
Funny how trolls try to rip Cashman for anything.
You cured cancer? Hope you’re proud, now what about AIDS?!
Funny how homers play up every minor move for bullpen fodder as if it’s an immediate benefit.
Of course, dude’s a ninja.
What is your problem? Did you just come hear to bash us in every thread? They do enough of that at NoMaas, you’d probably fit in better there.
Are you sure this isn’t Rob posting from another IP address or something? Seems awfully suspicious.
Dude, I enjoy your opinion. Why do you have to play the victim to the big bad RAB machine, ha. If you see them/us as homers, cool, but just disagree without getting nasty. I would like to continue to hear your take on things without you getting banned for being too combative.
it’s axl rose!
You understand Miranda had to be on the ML roster next year right? So you traded a bench player, who has no versatility, and doesn’t hit LHP very well, so he’d PH for um nobody and place defense for um nobody – for a 19yo pitcher who doesn’t cost a ML roster spot.
Oh wait, you’re Rob. That’s why you’re being a dick. See ya.
So called it.
So, Rob couldn’t even adapt with a second chance? You guys must have really irritated him, ha.
LMAO. Called it.
If I wanted to sock puppet I could at any time.
Hard to see how this is a good move though. It’s another failure to leverage young useful bits.
so, wait, it wasn’t you? Axisa was just guessing? This is getting too confusing for me now.
Fuck you all. Ban the shit out of everyone!!!! hahah just messing around. I love it all! High entertainment all around.
The death knell of every dictatorship: The rules when folded upon themselves becomes a mockery….
Ok, back to my “banning”.
You know the world has made immeasurable progress when RAB is compared to a dictatorship.
Or maybe that is the opposite of progress. I’m not sure now, ha.
Not the first time.
When they came for the annoying posters, I remained silent. I wasn’t an annoying poster….
ha. We are all complicit in this ruthless dictatorship. ha
If I wanted to sock puppet I could at any time.
Not really, we’d all know it was you in 3 seconds
Beam me up Scottie…
Allen will be the Yankees 2016 opening day pitcher. Book it.
Nice move for the Yanks. Miranda was not going anywhere with the Yankees and they got a guy that has put up some solid numbers in A who has not hit 20. Nothing to complain about unless you really think Tex is a serious injury risk or want to have him as a DH which would not really be beneficial for the Yanks.
I’m glad, hopefully Juan will get a chance to play in the bigs. Best of luck to him
so does brandon laird become our 1st basemen down at Scranton?
or is he still in the “super utility mix”?
The Yanks had no choice but to move him. They also wanted to bring Jorge ‘El Destructor’ Vazquez up. Plus Miranda can only play 1b. Jorge can play 1b and 3b. Jorge is a monster. Will be excellent off the bench and giving A-Rod and Tex a day off. the last four years in Mexico AAA, he averaged for a full season, .350, 52hr and 150rbi. In two seasons with the Yankees organization, in 143 games in AA and AAA he hit .302, 40 doubles, 31hr, and 118rbi. the last 12 games of AAA this year he hit .300, 5hr 10rbi, 10BB, .440obp, .725slg, and 1.165ops. In AAA in 76games he had 18hr and 62rbi. Plus he only had one error in his last 26 games at first, .995%. In the WBC with Mexico he hit right behind Adrian Gonzalez and hit .300. His first WBC at bat was a 475ft grand slam. He is ready, and the Yankees know this.
Jorge Vazquez had virtually nothing at all to do with this move. We didn’t trade Miranda away to clear a spot for Vazquez, we traded Miranda away because he was out of options.
Jorge Vazquez is a 29 year old org guy. He’s filler. There’s nothing to see there. His chances of ever amounting to anything are smaller than Dustin Pedroia.
YOU SHALL SEE….AND LIKE I SAID, THE YANKEES HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO GET RID OF HIM…HE IS OUT OF OPTIONS. DUH. GET BACK TO ME AND APOLOGIZE WHEN HE IS IN NEW YORK IN APRIL. PEACE OUT V
LOUD NOISES!
It’ll be interesting to see if Miranda sticks, I guess Towers liked what he saw. Hopefully the kid we got can hack it in the pen in a few years.
nothing not to like here. it’s basically like buying a ticket in a really crappy lottery, but getting it for free. of course, there’s not a very good chance allen amounts to anything, but miranda had no future here.