Dec
07

Cliff Lee negotiations moving slowly — or not at all

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If a Cliff Lee deal is going to get done this week, they’ll have to get things moving pretty quickly. We heard last week that his agent, Darek Braunecker, wasn’t going to take any offers until the Winter Meetings commenced. “He wants to be the ringmaster at the winter meetings,” said a source of ESPN New York’s Wallace Matthews. Yet here we are, almost done with Day 2 of the Winter Meetings, and Braunecker still hasn’t started fielding offers, according to Ken Rosenthal.

The Yankees have refrained from making an offer to Lee at the request of his agent, Darek Braunecker, according to sources in contact with the club.

Yankees general manager Brian Cashman, anxious to close a deal, has privately expressed his frustration to others at the winter meetings about the team’s inability to move the negotiations along, sources say.

Emphasis mine. The Yankees’ interest in Lee is universally known, and Braunecker is going to use this to his advantage. His strategy apparently includes making the Yankees sweat. With no viable alternatives readily available, there’s not much that the Yankees can do about this. All they can do is continue to wait for Braunecker to accept an offer.

There is hope, though, that the situation gets moving tonight. Marc Carig reports that Brian Cashman will meet with Braunecker tonight. We’ve heard a slew of rumors today, including a team, not necessarily the Nationals, willing to offer seven years. It appears to go hand-in-hand with rumors we’ve heard already, which mostly sound like a ploy to get the Yankees’ offer to six, or maybe even seven, years. There’s a chance we could find out more on that front in a few hours.

It is interesting that the two sides are meeting tonight, after moving slowly through the process to this point. It almost resembles the CC Sabathia situation from two years ago. That situation moved slowly — not at all, really, since the Yankees made an offer in mid-November and didn’t hear back until the Meetings — but it started to gain steam not on Tuesday during the day, but Tuesday evening. I’m not as optimistic that something moves with Lee tonight. Then again, I wasn’t at all optimistic that Cashman would get anything done with Sabathia at the 2008 meetings.

For right now we’re left with a mostly unclear situation. Maybe it becomes clearer after Braunecker meets with Cashman this evening. But even if it does I don’t expect anything to get done this week. Lee and his agent are going to take their time getting something done, no matter what other teams think of it.

Categories : Hot Stove League
  • mbonzo

    I think as soon as the Rangers or the Yankees make an offer things are going to explode.

  • Jesus Montero’s Brain

    I say scare Lee. Chase ZG really hard and let everyone know about it, but we shouldn’t pull the trigger.
    Let them know we don’t need him.

    • Jimmy McNulty

      Yeah this is a bad move. Right now the team is looking like the mid 2000s teams except with a weaker offense, slightly better defense, and a better top of the rotation. The rotation is: Sabathia, Hughes, Burnett, and question marks. Burnett sucks, Hughes might improve, but he’s a flyball right handed pitcher in Yankee Stadium. That typically doesn’t create good resorts. Sabathia’s a good top of the rotation piece, but with the Red Sox drastically improving their team and the Blue Jays likely getting Greinke combined with Tampa…the Yankees do need Cliff Lee.

      • FIPster Doofus

        Two issues…

        1. The current defense is a lot more than “slightly better” than the Yankees of the mid-2000s. Those teams were comically bad defensively.

        2. The Red Sox lost Beltre and Martinez, who accounted for 11 WAR last season. A-Gon is fantastic, obviously, but he alone can’t cover 11 wins. If they sign Crawford, that’s a different story. For now, though, it’s hard to say Boston has “drastically” improved.

        • king of fruitless hypotheticals

          Agon and cc get them back to where they were, not improved!

          Its not Cliff Lee or die out there…would we all like to see Andy come back for one more and Lee be our number two and Montero to do what we all hope? Sure.

          Are we ZOMG DOOMED!!1! if it doesn’t happen? No.

          • Mister Delaware

            Actually, A-Gon and CC would get them back for Beltre and Victor, then all their injured players come back and improve them. Can’t really ignore they lost 500 Youkilis/Pedroia PAs.

            • Jimmy McNulty

              Yeah, but it’s Boston so their injuries don’t count…but we can count on A-Rod back for 650 PAs, right?

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                Uh, he was saying what you are basically saying here, that their injuries very much counted and getting players like Pedroia and Youkilis back healthy (if they’re healthy and they stay healthy) will help their team.

                • Jimmy McNulty

                  I was agreeing with him.

          • Jimmy McNulty

            …yeah, go ahead and say that they’re Gonzo and Crawford are just as good as Beltre and Victor Martinez. And as far as “DOOOOOMED” goes…yeah, I recall you guys talking about that in the playoffs…that worked out well. True it’s just baseball, and what ever happens has little or no impact on any of our lives…but it’s the Motherfucking Yankees. You don’t spend 200M a year and not run the team as a “WS or Bust” model every year. “doomed” by their standars is different than the Pirates. SG has the Yankees around 88 wins…which isn’t going to cut it.

            • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

              88 wins because they only have 3 pitchers right now. Chill. If we don’t get Lee and Pettitte does come back (I have images of Cashman on his hands and knees kissing Pettitte’s feet begging him to come back if we don’t sign Lee), then we have CC, Pettitte, Hughes, AJ, Nova/someone similar. Which really isn’t any worse than CC, 2010 AJ, Pettitte, Hughes, 2010 Javy.

              • Jimmy McNulty

                Great…if they bring back Pettitte and don’t get Lee they’re at about 91 wins. And yes: CC, Hughes, Pettitte, AJ, and Nova is worse than last year’s rotation. Pettitte was banged up in the playoffs, they had to move a playoff start back and he couldn’t start a G5 in the DS if it came to that. Counting on him in the three slot for another year isn’t a very good idea.

                • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

                  If I recall correctly, Pettitte was our best starter in the playoffs.

                  OHHHHHH that must have been a different Andy Pettitte. My bad.

                  • Jimmy McNulty

                    No I love Andy Pettitte and want him back, I was just saying counting on JUST him, or using him as a reason to say Cliff Lee isn’t a “need” is dumb. He’s good but he was banged up last season, not to be counted on for all that much.

                • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                  He’s the #3 if CC and Lee sign anyway.

                  • Jimmy McNulty

                    Probably the four since they’d want to make Hughes a bigger focal point of the rotation and they’d like to take it easy on the old man. Which I hope happens.

            • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

              You constantly think things will turn out for the worst with the Yankees and for the best with the Red Sox, Tampa Bay, and Toronto. It’s grating.

              • Jimmy McNulty

                Simply put…if the Yankees do not get Cliff Lee their options are trading the farm for Greinke, or going with a shitty rotation. They don’t have other options to improve the team, their other positions are SET. You aren’t moving Teixeira, Rodriguez, or Jeter. No team would want to move Cano or Swisher. The Red Sox are BETTER than the Yankees if the Yankees do not get Cliff Lee. They can acquire an outfielder at any position and basically be set. They’ve been linked to Beltran, Crawford, and Willingham.

                The tale of the tape at the rotation:

                Jon Lester: 208 IP 3.13 FIP 3.29 xFIP, 9.74 K/9, 3.59 BB/9, 53.6 GB% Age: 27
                Clay Buchholz: 173.2 IP, 3.61 FIP 4.20 xFIP, 6.22 K.9 3.47 BB/9, 50.8 GB% Age: 26
                Josh Beckett: 127.2 IP, 4.54 FIP, 4.01 xFIP, 8.18 K/9, 3.17 BB/9, 45 GB% Age: 31
                John Lackey: 215 IP, 3.85 FIP, 4.32 xFIP, 6.53 K/9, 3.01 BB/9 45.6 GB% Age: 32

                The Yankees:

                CC Sabathia 237.2 IP, 3.54 FIP, 3.78 xFIP, 7.46 K/9, 2.80 BB/9, 50.7 GB%, Age: 30.
                Phil Hughes: 176.1 IP, 4.25 FIP, 4.33 xFIP, 7.45 K/9, 2.96 BB/9, 36.1 GB% Age: 25
                AJ Burnett: 186.2 IP, 4.83 FIP, 4.66 xFIP, 6.99 K/9, 3.76 BB/9, 44.9 GB% AGe: 34
                Andy Pettitte 129 IP, 3.85 FIP, 4.05 xFIP, 7.05 K/9, 2.86 BB/9, 43.9 GB% Age: 39.

                Not only is the Red Sox rotation better, it’s younger and more likely to improve, and bounce back from injury. Comparing their position players?

                Saltalamacchia/Varitek is likely to be worse than what the Yankees do at catcher

                Adrian > Teixeira
                Cano’s better than that midget piece of shit, but Pedroia’s a better defender and was in the middle of a .377 wOBA when he got hurt
                Jeter’s better than Scutaro…not even going to cover this.
                Youkilis, as much as it pains me to say this IS better than Alex Rodriguez at this point in their careers.
                The Red Sox are NOT going into an the year with an outfield of Drew, Cameron, Ellsbury…too injury prone, and it’s going to be too easy to improve that outfield. The Yankees may end up with the better outfield, at the end of the season, but the offense is most likely to be a push at the end of the offseason. So yes, the things ARE much more likely to turn out better for the Red Sox. As far as Tampa and Toronto, the Yankees are likely to be better than those two teams, but with those two teams still being very good, and the Angels and Tigers making big moves (or likely to make big moves) in the offseason the WC is no longer something you can count on. Especially with the Jays and the Rays beating up on the Yanks.

                • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                  The rest of this, fine.

                  Especially with the Jays and the Rays beating up on the Yanks.

                  What happened last year against one team isn’t really predictive for the next year. The 2008 Yankees had a winning record against the 2008 Rays. And they were 10-8… let’s not act like this was the Yankees against Oakland.

                  • Jimmy McNulty

                    With that line I was suggesting that assuming the Angels upgrade their team (which they are likely to do), and the Tigers aren’t done yet ( which is also likely true) that those two teams would have an easier road to the WC than the Yankees because the Yankees have to face very good competition in the Blue Jays and the Rays whereas the Angels get the As and the Ms (and a worse division leader) and the Twins get the Royals, Indians, White Sox (and also a worse division leader)…thus the Wild Card coming out the East isn’t Fait Accompli like it usually is. If they don’t get Cliff Lee, fix the bench, and just sign Pettitte the Yankees are likely “Wild Card favorites,” that may sit well with you, but it doesn’t with me. It shouldn’t sit well with the Yankees, either.

                    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                      If they don’t get Cliff Lee, fix the bench, and just sign Pettitte the Yankees are likely “Wild Card favorites,” that may sit well with you, but it doesn’t with me. It shouldn’t sit well with the Yankees, either.

                      IDGAF if the media thinks we won’t win the ALE or make the playoffs. Neither should the Yankees. The Red Sox have ~WON THE OFFSEASON~ every year since about 2005 or so. In the 2008-2009 offseason we had to hear about how Penny/Smoltz were gonna win more games than CC/AJ.

                      But we agree they really need Lee or another pitcher via trade.

                • Shaun

                  Hughes is 24 and will improve (I honestly see him as very similar to Bucholz talent/stuff wise, so I would not be surprised he follows a similar learning curve), AJ has never been that bad or even in the same ballpark as 2010 he’s going to bounce back.

                  Tex and Gonzo are roughly equal (remember Tex was also playing hurt half the season)

                  Arod is going to deliver the runs, but I think Youk might be a bit better defensively, and batting avg wise.

                  Lee is wanted not needed, I feel we need Andy just to act as a buffer for the 2010-2011 season before Banuelos and Betances are ready for the show in 2012.

                  • Jimmy McNulty

                    Hughes’ flyball issues in the Stadium will kill him…Buchholz is a lot better at keeping the ball on the ground and out of the stands. Teixeira is not as good as Adrian Gonzalez, Adrian Gonzalez was playing half of his games at PetCo Park. Alex is a 35 year old with a bad hip, that ugly piece of shit is a better ball player than he is at this point…I also wouldn’t be so sure Banuelos and Betances would be ready to start in the AL East full time in 2012. Hughes was twice the prospect that either of them were and look how long it took him to be a full time member of the rotation.

                    • Shaun

                      Their stats are almost identical (gonzo has more power, Tex walks more)

                      Hughes was slowed by that injured hamstring, Bucholz also had a minor injury issues that slowed him.

                      I agreed with you for the most part on Arod and Youk. I still think Alex is going to knock in more rbi’s but that’s it.

                      Banuelos has just been getting better and better he has held his own against older players and the best prospects around. I have little doubt he is going to be in the rotation very soon. Betances drastically improved his control since his surgery and also pitched very well in AA (had he not lost that time recovering he’d probably have been in the rotation already), and is going to be moved quickly through the system.

                    • Shaun

                      Oh and Hughes’ extreme flyball issues are a relatively new problem, so I’m not too concerned.

                    • Chris

                      In his entire pro career before 2010, Buchholz was very homer prone. All of a sudden it was gone in 2010, and he got very very good at preventing home runs. Maybe he suddenly learned something, but more likely he just got lucky and that will correct itself next year.

            • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

              SG has the Yankees around 88 wins…which isn’t going to cut it.

              because those models are always right (especially when you know the Yankees aren’t nearly done with all they’re going to do this offseason)

              • Jimmy McNulty

                I don’t think I suggested that it’s correct, nor that’s their win total…just that since they’re at the 88 wins mark right now it’s likely that they need to add Cliff Lee, another pitcher, fix the bench, and perhaps even do more after that.

                • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                  I don’t think I suggested that it’s correct

                  By including it, you did. It’s fairly obvious they have a lot of work to do.

                  • Jimmy McNulty

                    Yeah, I figured when talking to educated baseball fans it’s assumed that the model isn’t going to be exactly how the season will play out and it’s just an educated guess at this point. More that they have a lot of work to do , and their team as it stands right now has several holes. The good thing: the holes are in the rotation and the two big holes have two big hole fillers just waiting for the Yankees to sign them (Lee and Pettitte) and the rest of the holes are on the bench with fairly obvious solutions too.

        • Jimmy McNulty

          The left side of the infield is manned by two guys in their late 30s. One guy that has a bad hip, and the other that never was much defensively anyways. Yet, those players’ bats aren’t nearly what they used to be.

          B-Ref had Beltre and V-Mart at 9.1 and Adrian Gonzalez at 6.3. The Red Sox aren’t going to stick with Ellsbury, Cameron, and Drew in the OF. Gonzo’s going to flat out rake at Fenway so I wouldn’t be shocked to see him throw up like a 6.5 or 7.0, add a bat like Willingham or Beltran and they’re a drastically improved team.

          • FIPster Doofus

            The left side of the infield was manned by two guys in their late 30s last season, and the Yankees still finished 10th in team UZR. You compared the current Yankee defense to the mid-2000s versions, and that’s simply unfair. The Yankees back then were consistently toward the bottom of the league defensively. In 2005, for example, their team UZR was, like, -139 (mind-bogglingly bad). It was +15.8 last season.

            As for the Red Sox, I fully expect them to win 95-plus games next season if they add another bat. We agree that the Yankees must get Cliff Lee or a Cliff Lee type via trade (Greinke?).

            • Jimmy McNulty

              Cliff Lee is better than Greinke, by quite a bit IMO, and I still want Greinke for a Hughes centered package via trade even if they get Cliff Lee. I’m like Casey Kelly, Tom Brady, Evan Longoria, and Josh Beckett, I want to win every game by 80 runs.

      • YanksFan

        But the Bosox haven’t greatly improved themselves for this year. A Gone helps but losing Beltre & V-Mart production hurts. Only pitcher I trust over there is Lester.

        • Jimmy McNulty

          Not Buchholz or Beckett or Lackey? Buchholz who had like a GB% in the 60s last year, and Beckett and Lackey have a much better track record AJ Burnett and aren’t coming off as bad of a year.

          • CS Yankee

            This mostly.

            Beckett to rebound somewhat
            Buchholz might only improve (which is scary)
            Lackey & Dice-BB are meh?

            Mixed with Lester, you should have 3 solid SP, possibly 4…very doubtful 5.

            NYY do not have 3 inked for 2011. Tampa & Toronto both have has 3 with a possible 4.

            Lee would mean the best 1-2 punch in the AL, which we would be ok without having a 4th or 5th.

            • Jimmy McNulty

              Beckett had a K/9 over 8 and a BB/9 of about 3.2, and an xFIP of 4.01. Lackey had a good second half, where as AJ just had a good luck inflated first two months and then a bad everything else…I expect Buchholz to regress, but he’s still a damn good pitcher.

              • Shaun

                How is AJ’s first half good luck but Lackey’s 2nd “improvement”?

                • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                  Red Sox rule, Yankees drool.

              • Warrior86

                josh Beckett? The guy who is competely owned by the Yankees? Yeah, I’m scared of that bum, e might try to bean one of our guys because he’s pouting in his utter failure to compete, let alone beat, the Yanks.

                Seriously, how many years will it take the Beckett fanboys to realize 07 & 03 were the exception in his otherwise average career? The guy is a sheel of that temporary 2007 self and he’s not coming back. Sure, he might be an effective pitcher but never that dominate guy he was for that brief period.

            • Bulldozer

              Lester is the stone cold nuts. He’s a CY Young candidate probably every year from here on out barring injury. He’s a #1.

              • Bulldozer

                Sorry, thought you said Lester was a #3 pitcher. My bad.

          • I Voted for Kodos

            Buchholz had a GB% of 50.8 last year. That’s a long way away from the 60s.

            I know he had a bright and shiny ERA, but he had a FIP of 3.61 and xFIP of 4.20, so he was pitching over his head.

            I’m not saying he’s not good, or that we shouldn’t expect improvement, but he wasn’t as good as he appeared at first glance last year.

          • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

            Buchholz who had like a GB% in the 60s last year

            If by “in the 60s” you mean “50.8%”, then yes. He also had a .265 BABIP, third lowest in the AL. He also had a worse K/BB than one Allan Burnett.

            Is he good? Yes. Is improvement the only possibility? Absolutely not. In fact, I’d say he’s more likely to regress.

            • Jimmy McNulty

              Ahh yes, I checked it and fixed it in an above post. I don’t know where I got 50 from…I also suggested that he’d likely regress, but still be good in a post I made at 5:24.

        • Jimmy McNulty

          much better track record THAN* AJ Burnett****

      • Jesus Montero’s Brain

        Scaring him doesn’t mean we’re not going to land him. It’s telling him to speed it up, we have other things to work on.

  • JobaWockeeZ

    I don’t care how long it takes as long as 7 years is avoided.

    • Jimmy McNulty

      I mean if you’re willing to go 6/140…is 7/150 that much worse?

      • JobaWockeeZ

        Apparently yes seeing as Cash won’t go that far.

        • Jimmy McNulty

          Well Cashman is trying to stick to a six year deal, which he should do, but serious question…if 6/140 is okay, why isn’t 7/150 an extra year and 10M over the life of the contract. Doesn’t seem that much worse to me. Yes, Cliff Lee is older than Sabathia was when he signed as a free agent, but he has fewer innings on his arm and he’s not a great big fat fuck. Nor was he ridden like a rented mule the past two years.

          • JobaWockeeZ

            So they sign Lee to an unnecessarily huge contract what do they do with that fat fuck when he opts out?

            • king of fruitless hypotheticals

              Only talking about the years is ignorant–would you rather he be signed for 4/130 or 7/130?

              OH NO…I only want a four year deal.

              You only want to pay him for four years? Fine…you pay him 30 a year for the first four, and then league minimum the next three.

              Don’t be silly. Plus, Montero is coming.

            • Jimmy McNulty

              I don’t think I suggested signing Lee to an “unnecessarily” huge contract…just that it needs to get done if they’d like to make the playoffs next year and keep some semblance of a farm system. If 7/150 is what it takes as opposed to 6/140 I’d be down, so what if CC opts out? You can extend him or hope for the best out of the farm system…he likely won’t be getting a raise if 7/150 is the deal that Cliff Lee gets, nor do I think he’d ask for one.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            What’s the point of calling him a fat fuck? It just makes everyone skip right over your comment.

            • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

              I wonder if it’s the same guy who called him “Choking C-nt” in the playoffs…

            • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

              It just makes everyone skip right over your comment.

              I generally do that when I see “Jimmy McNulty says:”

            • Jimmy McNulty

              It’s a term of endearment…he’s a guy with a weight problem, a reason to be concerned with signing him. People are acting like CC was this safe, slam dunk sign and Cliff Lee has warning signs out the ass. CC had his concerns too…he turned out okay, why? Because he’s fucking awesome…that’s why. Much like how I expect Cliff Lee to turn out.

              • http://www.yfsf.org AndrewYF

                “CC had his concerns too”

                Not really, no.

  • CS Yankee

    Lee is hunting in the back woods of Arkansas while his agent is scouting for more game in Orlando.

    They have no reason to rush, maybe another stupid Werth-type deal happens and they can use that to their advantage or maybe Pettitte confirms his retirement. Time is on their side.

    • mbonzo

      I could see the Rangers getting tired of waiting and trading for Greinke which would eliminate a party from driving up the price.

      • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

        I can also see the Rangers having a trade in place but keeping it under wraps just to fuck with us.

  • Big Stein

    Cashman is acting some what desperate.

    He needs to back off. They’re the Yankees (ie The Federal Reserve), they don’t have to reach out, sooner or later people will come to him.

    But agents can sense anxiety and they will exploit that to Cash’s determent.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I wouldn’t call it desperation. At some point they want to get this done so they know what the rest of their offseason priorities are. They can’t wait around for him forever, the rest of the offseason will pass them by.

      • Bulldozer

        Can’t you start a rumor that the Yanks are sending Montero and others to any team with a top 20/30 pitcher?

      • Big Stein

        I said “some what”.

        But you’re doing it too. I understand it’s the usual type-A New Yorker thing: “get this done, … can’t wait around for him forever”, and nothing more.

        But the other side will exploit a party’s apparent desire (what ever the level) for speed.

        • Bulldozer

          Sounds like a divorce hearing.

          • Big Stein

            ironically they did such a good job laying low and biding their time in the teixeria deal.

            Now they’re boxing themselves in with their get’r done “lee or bust” posture.

            • Bulldozer

              They were content with Swish at 1b and Nady in RF. I think Cash is not comfortable at all with the rotation if Andy retires.

              • Big Stein

                also, remember when ARod opted-out they played hardball and wouldn’t take his calls and demanded he drop Boras before they would talk.

                Same thing with Jeter, the can be really good at drawing the line when they want to.

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

          As others have said, you can play the other side of that. The Yankees don’t want to wait too long. If they let that be known and being to move on, Lee will come crawling back. If the Yankees are out of the picture, Lee’s deal, wherever he ended up, would drop considerably.

          • Jimmy McNulty

            I doubt that…he’s Cliff Lee. He’s no worse than a top five pitcher, I’m pretty sure he’ll do just fine without the Yankees.

            • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

              He’ll do fine. He won’t get as much if the Yankees were completely out of the bidding.

              • Jimmy McNulty

                Realistically what do you think he’s looking at now? 6/140 on the high end? What, you’re telling me if the Yanks are out he can’t get like 5/125 or something like that? Not as big of a deal…but that’s not really a considerable drop in dollars.

                • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

                  If the Yankees weren’t in the bidding at all, he’s probably looking at 5/105 IMO.

    • Bulldozer

      Yeah, the Yanks need to start sending out rumors that they are sending Montero to places for pitching ASAP.

  • Bulldozer

    Send an eightball of coke and tell Cashman to get it done or ask for another eightball.

  • YanksFan

    But Axisa just got done picking Thursday for a deal to be done. I think I may go nuts w/ this will he or won’t he. Actually sounds familiar, oh forget it.

  • pat

    Not a bad idea. Wait until all the other FA options are off the board and the Yanks’ backs are against the wall. It’s a dirty play, but likely to be effective.

    • YanksFan

      Except that none of the other options are any good. Yanks other options are trades which you won’t hear about until the deal is done. That’s how Cash rolls.

  • Yank the Frank

    Cashman needs to show up at the meeting with Luca Brazzi and assure Braunecker that either Mr. Lee’s signiture or his brains will be on the contract. That’s the New York way.

  • Enoch44

    Should Pettitte be retiring, do you think the Yankees would have a gentleman’s agreement with him to not announce it until after Lee signs?

    It would give Lee more leverage.

  • bonestock94

    What a freaking drag

  • king of fruitless hypotheticals

    I’d love to hear a meeting between Cash Money Ninja Elf and Braunecker get announced, and then between the announcement and the meeting have the Yanks announce the signing of another arm (Andy Pettitte anyone?) to take off some pressure.

  • Bulldozer

    Trade Montero for pitching! That will teach Lee. Wait, I learned from the chat that close to 70% of voters (at the chat) rather not trade Montero for Hanson. That means he’s close to untradeable in everyone’s eyes.

    • vin

      Maybe everyone confused Hanson with Tommy Hunter. I always have to stop for a split second and think about which one is which – kind of like Jack Nicholson and Nicklaus.

  • Big Stein

    Edited by RAB: I know we’ve told you previously to not post off topic. Do. Not. Post. Off. Topic. Comments.

    • bonestock94

      Who, what?

      • Big Stein

        I can’t it’s off topic. the school marms don’t like it.

        • king of fruitless hypotheticals

          These guys bust their asses to put up this place and you call them school marms? Don’t be a jerk.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Good grief. The perpetual off-topic thread couldn’t any easier to get to. We’re not asking you to split atoms here.

  • Mike Myers

    Smart move by the agent….everyone has figured out that you can make the yanks bid against themselves. A-rod,cc,jeter and now cliff.

  • Mister Delaware

    Who is the delay causing to panic more?
    VOTE NOW …
    Cashman: 0%
    Panicky Yankees fans: 100%

  • Jimmy McNulty

    Axisa and Joe Paw need to find Braunkner and shake him down to six years.

  • Bulldozer

    Cash should just refuse to bid when they start taking offers. That would be cool until they agree to sign somewhere else. They couldn’t sign an offer without hearing from the Yankees though, right?

    • Hughesus Christo

      Arte Moreno tried that with Tex…

      • Bulldozer

        I think they had a chance to bid, but they were way, way outbid by everyone.

        • CS Yankee

          I think he saying that once Teix didn’t rush to sign with Arte…the Angels went public to say they were tossing in the towel.

  • CBean

    I was really hoping Cashman would buy me a pitcher for my birthday.

  • Whit R

    Cashman was just on Francesa and equated the Lee negotiation to a deer hunt. He said he’s currently waiting in the tree for the buck to show up. Basically, he said he’s done all of the prep work and both Lee and Braunecker know the Yankees position, but at Braunecker’s request, they haven’t moved forward. He said that when Lee’s camp is ready to move forward, he’s ready to go and knows exactly how far he’s willing to go in terms of dollars/years. Of course, he didn’t reveal that info.

    • Anthony Murillo

      Because he’s a ninja tbh

      • Warrior86

        A disciplined ninja at that… enduring the flowing bullcrap coming from Francesa is a feat worthy of a true ninja master like Samurai Jack or Master Splinter.

  • CS Yankee

    If 5/125M$ can’t get it done, the Yankees should move on…

    Trade all three B’s & 25M$ and get Josh from that pithole team that they call the Marlins (or some kind of trade like that).

    • mbonzo

      I’d rather give Lee another year than trade away all that talent.

      • Jimmy McNulty

        Yeah I think everyone would.

      • vin

        Exactly.

        If this interest from other teams is real, the Yanks will probably end up giving Lee either the 7th year or a substantial option/buyout (more likely, imo).

      • CS Yankee

        Actual stud >>>>> 3 mid-tier rotation potential MLB pitchers.

        A bird in the hand is worth three in the bush.

        /rewritingsayings’d

        • CS Yankee

          err,

          A bird in the hand is worth more than 3 B’s in the bush.

        • Bulldozer

          It’s common in MLB. Everyone thinks their prospects are the best. I would trade those guys for JJ easy. He’s not even one of their top 2 prospects according to BA. Do that every day and twice on Sunday.

          • Shaun

            Apparently a ton of teams have approached Cash about what it’d take to separate Betances and Banuelos away from them. So yeah I think these guys might be some of the best

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        I’d rather do both.

      • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

        I would trade the 3 B’s for Josh Johnson in a heartbeat.

        • CS Yankee

          Ahh, great to see that logic has showed up with Bulldozer and yourself.

        • Reggie C.

          THIS. THIS. THIS.

          Finally, somebody said it. I’ve thought it, dismissed it, but never called it a crazy notion. For Josh Johnson…you move mountains.

          • Jimmy McNulty

            He was shut down in September due to injuries, and he had a pretty extensive injury history his whole career in the minors. I’d love to have him too, but I wouldn’t scorch the earth for him the same way I would like a Felix Hernandez.

  • Jimmy McNulty

    Regarding the 7 year offer…if not the Nationals, I don’t see many teams offering seven years, the Angels? Doubtful. They can spend their Teixeira money on Crawford, Beltre, and Soriano, for about 175? Wouldn’t that be a better usage of the big money than Cliff Lee?

    • Brian

      Agreed, I can’t see the Angels being involved. Detroit wouldn’t surprise me. They had a ton of money come off the books.

      In reality, I think the 7-year offer is just a load of BS considering that Lee’s camp isn’t fielding offers yet. Who in their right mind is going to offer 7, when nobody has even offered 6? It’s all strategy at this point, Braunecker knows that the Yankees are willing to pay dollars, so now he is negotiating for years.

  • http://www.or.ly JM

    Apparently it wasn’t the Nationals OR Angels… who offered Lee 7 years? Nobody?

    • http://www.or.ly JM

      And NOW there’re apparently TWO 7 year offers… strange…

  • mbonzo

    Now there 2 mystery teams at 7 years. Angels and Nationals are not the teams. Who the hell else would offer him so much money and years? This is a load of crap.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      So, Lee’s agent isn’t taking any offers, but there are two 7-year offers… right.

      • mbonzo

        One from Braunecker and one from Cliff Lee. They’re giggling and high-fiving each other right now. By hunting, Lee meant he was looking for a team to prey on.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        Lee’s agents are suppsoedly askign the Yankees to not bid while other teams are free to do whatever they want? What?

        It’s not the Natinals, Angels, Red Sox, Phillies and likely not the Rangers. Tigers might be one of them but still these reports are fishy.

      • http://www.yfsf.org AndrewYF

        It’s called…lying. Boras is good at it. Braunecker? Not so much.

  • Ari G

    IDK guys maybe we should start thinking maybe this wont happen

  • candyforstalin

    tigers and orioles?

  • mbonzo

    Sounds like the Yankees are going to make their first offer to Lee tonight when they meet with Braunecker.

  • Mike HC

    I can’t imagine a scenario where the Yanks don’t land Lee. Now with the legitimate possibility that Pettitte may not come back, we have no choice.

    • mbonzo

      Worlds not over, Greinke and Garza are available amongst others I assume.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        Pass on Garza. I like him but in the division he’s going to fetch a higher price.

        • JobaWockeeZ

          Oh forgot my Gavin FLoyd mention.

          • mbonzo

            I think Floyd will cost more than Garza.

            • JobaWockeeZ

              It’s Kenny Williams. Normally yes but its friggin Kenny Williams over here.

      • Mike HC

        That is what I’m worried about.

  • It’sATarp

    Right two Teams want Lee for 7 years okay lets go over the list of people:

    Texas: Nope
    Yankees: Nope
    Angels: Nope
    Phillies: Nope, that ship has sailed…
    Nationals: Crazy…but not that Crazy
    Red Sox: I hope so so they shoot themselves in the foot with 3-4 overpaid pitchers going past their prime. But after the monster Agonz deal and making a play for crawford i highly doubt it.
    Detroit: Maybe, but they signed VMart and came out before the off season to say they were not interested in Lee
    Mets: ahahah NO
    Dodgers: Just finished a messy divorce..i highly doubt it

    So that really doesn’t leave us with many possibilities. Maybe the Orioles or Twins. But that’s not exactly realistic of either team. Maybe the redskins want to pay Lee to play DT, or the 49ers really need a new QB.

  • JobaWockeeZ

    Cash is ready to get serious! Good line.

  • http://yaesnetwork.com Pete

    Andy Pettitte was the yankees best starter in the playoffs by far l;ast yrear, hands down ! What playoffs were you watching.I hope he comes back for one more.