Carpenter would accept a trade

Playoff Odds Report has Yanks sitting pretty
Open Thread: February 24th Camp Notes

With Adam Wainwright out for the season, attention has turned to Chris Carpenter. He was already a guy I thought would fit well with the Yanks, and if the Waino injury keeps the Cards at bay in the first half, that could become a reality around the trade deadline. But, since he has 10 and 5 rights, he can veto any trade the Cardinals try to make. According to a recent report by Ken Rosenthal, that won’t be much of an issue.

“If the Cardinals wanted to trade me, obviously I would go. There’s no question about that. I’m not going to hold back or veto or do anything like that if they’re looking to move me.” This won’t become an issue until at least mid-season, but it’s good to know that if the Cardinals fall out of it, there will be few roadblocks to acquiring Carpenter. With a system as deep as the Yanks, there’s surely a match somewhere.

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Playoff Odds Report has Yanks sitting pretty
Open Thread: February 24th Camp Notes
  • The Real JobaWockeeZ

    Let’s hope the Yanks aren’t too out of it otherwise the whole farm would be gone in trying to get him. Unless Cash has full control.

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

      the Yankees won’t be out of it at all…

  • ultimate913

    I don’t see them trading Carpenter just yet. Maybe in June or July when(if) they confirm they’re out of it.

    They should at least show Pujols they’re serious about contending on potentially, his last season as a Cardinal.

  • squishy jello person

    Gimme.

  • Steve in PDX

    Assuming Carpenter is where he usually is in July, what would ya’ll be willing to give for him (realistically)? One of the Bee’s + Laird? Nova, Romine and another piece?

    • The Real JobaWockeeZ

      Romine and Brackman as a starting point.

      • king of fruitless hypotheticals

        Theyve already got a Molina brother…

        • Steve in PDX

          Nunez+Brackmonster?

        • pat

          O snap, didn’t realize Yadi was only 27. He’s still pretty much a non-entity with the bat tho. Romine could have an extra two years to develop and be an upgrade with the stick and not fall off too much with the glove.

          • CS Yankee

            Why offer a top prospect (Romine) that they don’t want?

            P & C’s are guys that are in high demand, often fizzle and only trade them when they demand that they are included in the package.

            Start with Nunez, Adams or whomever…I would really stear clear of trading the top 5 (Jesus, Sanchez, Manny, Dellin or Brackman) as we always need pitching, Jesus bat seems very special and Sanchez sounds like a near Jesus bat with a Molina glove. Stoneburner, Noesi, Phelps if needed as well. I don’t know which “B” will be the one, but we know that its highly unlikely that all 3 are the one.

            Money and MIF’ers, if you can.

          • Ted Nelson

            He had an off season last year, but Molina’s wOBAs were .323 and .337 in 2008 and 2009.

        • The Real JobaWockeeZ

          Yeah I thought Yadier was up there in age but isn’t. My bad.

        • Ted Nelson

          They have THE Molina brother at this point…

      • pat

        I’d start off with Romine, Warren and Laird. Then be willing to swap Adams for Laird. Then if that’s no good do Romine and Brackman. I def wouldn’t start with Romine+Brack because then they’re gonna want Brack and Warren/Phelps/Adams etc. Keep in mind we’d also be saving them like 21-23 million dollars so we don’t have to be held completely over a barrel.

        • The Real JobaWockeeZ

          Ah true. Absorbing 20 million is a good chip. Then yeah start with Romine, Warren, Laird/Adams and see from there.

          • Steve in PDX

            Not to be picky, but Carpenter is owed 15mil this year with a 15mil team option for next year, meaning a July trade saves them (roughly) 8mil. (assuming if they need space they wouldn’t pick up the 2012 option.

            • Ted Nelson

              But if they don’t pick up his option they’re probably losing him anyway, which decreases their leverage.

  • http://www.yfsf.org AndrewYF

    I do like that Carpenter doesn’t have to be just a half-year rental. The Yankees can easily absorb that $15M option in order to give themselves an additional starter in 2012.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Carpenter has a no-trade clause, and I’m willing to bet he’d want the option picked up as a condition of a trade.

      • king of fruitless hypotheticals

        See Mike, that’s why we keep you around…

      • theyankeewarrior

        That would seem to be perfect for the Yankees. There aran’t many (or any) options on the FA market next season.

        It would be like signing Carp to a 1 yr 15M deal. That sets them up perfectly going into the 2013 offseason where the market is PRIME.

        Hello Cole Hamels

    • CS Yankee

      Agree, that should be a given (unless his arm falls off as well).

      The top end arms seem to be two years away, and maybe another couple to figure it out.

      Brackman breaks camp as a SP in 2012
      Manny &/or Dellin in 2013.
      Josh, Jimenez, or Cain arrive in 2014

  • Reggie C.

    Wouldn’t trade any of the Killa-Bs for Carpenter considering the likelihood as touched in the podcast and Mike (above) of having to pick up the 2012 year.

    Would still cost a trio of not bad prospects though. Carpenter’s worth at least: Nova, Warren, and Laird. The Cards have one thing on the mind: STARTING PITCHING.

  • NJYankeeFan

    Starting rotation July 14th: CC, Hughes, Carpenter, AJ and Brackman. With our offense and bullpen, I’ll go to war with that team.

    • FIPster Doofus

      I’d rather just watch them play a baseball game.

  • Chas

    brack is tough to trade with that ml contract. Warren, adams, and nunez would be my offer. Probably won’t be enough though. Betances is the guy most likely to be traded, but for carp I might wait.

  • Greg

    I wouldn’t touch Carpenter with a ten foot pole. He is the epitome of NL Central pitching. Look at the stats from his first 6 years in the AL east with the Jays. Then he moves to St. Louis, and, after an injury…magically the ERA drops by 2 full runs. Then, another full run the year after…either he’s juicing (which I doubt) or he’s Javier Vazquez. Just remember…Andy Pettitte went to that division and put up a 2.39 ERA just one year removed from a 4.01 ERA in the AL East. Pass.

    • Ted Nelson

      “Just remember…Andy Pettitte went to that division and put up a 2.39 ERA just one year removed from a 4.01 ERA in the AL East. Pass.”

      Just remember, Andy Pettitte put up a 4.20 ERA in that division in 2006 and then a 4.05 ERA in the AL East in 2007… See why throwing out random examples proves nothing?

      You can actually look at Carpenter’s splits against other divisions and against good/bad offenses and against good/bad hitters… then you can make an educated decision based on facts rather than stereotypes and conjecture.

  • Greg

    There is little to no chance that this happens. Carpenter is the kind of guy you build around, and the Cards aren’t the kind of team to pack it in.

    • Clint Holzner

      At this point in his career Carpenter is most certainly NOT a guy you “build around”.

      See: Age 36 (2011).

      • Ted Nelson

        Yeah, exactly… and 37 in 2012 when he has a $15 mill option.

        A lot can happen between now and then, but there’s certainly a chance the Cards are better off dealing the old guy and bringing back younger, cheaper talent.

        Besides maybe needing/wanting money to keep Pujols (or maybe replace him with Fielder if Pujols walks) the Cards could also use the money to upgrade at other spots. Bring in a Rickie Weeks or Jose Reyes to what’s a pretty weak middle IF, or add a younger starter to replace Carp. They can net both the package they get in return for Carp and maybe a free agent or two they add with his $.