March 21st Camp Notes

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ST Game Thread: Banuelos on the bump (I think)
Shortstop power! (AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar)

Here’s what went down in Tampa today, just over a week from Opening Day…

  • The Yankees held a staff meeting, presumably to discuss the fourth and fifth starter spots, though Ivan Nova is looking more and more like a lock. (Buster Olney)
  • Meanwhile, it’s sounding more and more likely that Brett Gardner will hit leadoff, at least early in the season. Joe and I discussed this very topic on today’s RAB Radio Show. (Jack Curry)
  • Pedro Feliciano threw 25 pitches in the bullpen and said he felt good. He’ll throw batting practice or another bullpen session on Wednesday, then hopefully get into a game on Friday or Saturday. The lefty is battling a sore triceps. (Erik Boland)
  • Joba Chamberlain will pitch in tomorrow’s game, so his strained oblique is doing well. Greg Golson took batting practice today; he’s been sidelined by some kind of rib/oblique injury. (Chad Jennings)
  • Mariano Rivera threw two uneventful innings in a minor league game and said everything felt fine. He’ll make another appearance either Wednesday or Thursday. Boring Mo updates are good Mo updates. (Boland)
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ST Game Thread: Banuelos on the bump (I think)
  • king of fruitless hypotheticals

    imagine being the poor minor leaguer.

    “Now batting, somebody you’ve never heard of.” (do they even do announcements in ST?)
    “Defense changes, now pitching, Mariano Rivera.”
    (Batter: WAIT WHAT??1?11??

    • RL

      IETC

  • radnom

    Thank goodness Nova is not starting in AAA. I never understood the people who say ‘go with Colon/Garcia for depth’.
    There were always three spots! Put your top two guys as starters, and put the other one in the bullpen.

    I would start with Garcia, Nova in the rotation, Colon in the bullpen.

    Colon by far has the most to ‘prove’ of the three, being out of the majors for so long. Spring training doesn’t do it for me, if he shows he can be effective from the pen, he is the 6th starter. If not, cut him.

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_MandAura Steve H

      There were always three spots!

      Injuries happen. A lot.

      • radnom

        Err ok, so are you implying that there is only room to take the ‘loser’ of the 5th starter competition as the last man of the bullpen because of injuries?

        Because that just isn’t true.

        • http://twitter.com/steveh_MandAura Steve H

          If you don’t take Colon or Garcia, they can leave the team and you lose the depth. If you don’t take Nova, he slides into the AAA rotation rather easily, awaiting a potential injury to any of the 5 guys, or ineffectiveness from the last 2. it’s not like Nova has proven much of anything at the major league level either, so he’s no guarantee to be better than the other 2 anyway.

          • radnom

            How does that in anyway relate the plan I outlined, which includes all three players mentioned being the on MLB roster to start the season?

            You’re trying to set up a false choice. Its not ‘start Nova in AAA or lose on of the other guys’. That was never the situation.

            • A.D.

              Mitre would presumably be lost under your scenario

              • radnom

                He isn’t lasting the season on the 25 man anyway. Its only a matter of when. There have even been recent reports suggesting the Yankees are close to releasing him.

                If Mitre can’t bounce between AAA/MLB he is next to worthless on this team, certainly not worth starting Nova in AAA over.

                • Ted Nelson

                  Yeah, I’m not too worried about losing Mitre if they like what they see in Colon. Last season they started both Moseley and Nova (not to mention Javy and Burnett) over Mitre… they weren’t even willing to break in case of emergency with him. Unless he’s made a substantial improvement from 2010, I don’t see why he’s suddenly a good option now.

            • http://www.yankeenumbers.com Mr. Sparkle

              Most likely, the Yankees are going to carry 12 pitchers.

              We know:
              A.J. Burnett
              Joba Chamberlain
              Pedro Feliciano
              Phil Hughes
              Boone Logan
              Mariano Rivera
              David Robertson
              CC Sabathia
              Rafael Soriano

              Sergio Mitre will make the team if healthy because Joe loves him.

              That leaves two spots between Nova, Colon and Garcia.

              That also assumes two back-up infielders, but it sounds like they’re high on keeping Chavez (and he’s earned a shot) and we know the other WILL be Nunez or Pena.

              How are you planning on making room for all three on the MLB roster WITHOUT putting someone on the DL?

              • radnom


                How are you planning on making room for all three on the MLB roster WITHOUT putting someone on the DL?

                By not randomly assuming this….


                Sergio Mitre will make the team if healthy because Joe loves him.

                • http://www.yankeenumbers.com Mr. Sparkle

                  That’s actually pretty far from random. It’s a pretty safe bet Mitre will be making the team if healthy.

                  Now try and answer the question at hand if you can.

                  • radnom


                    It’s a pretty safe bet Mitre will be making the team if healthy.

                    No…its not. I can’t answer the question at hand because the entire question only exists because your false assumption. You’re going to have to provide more evidence than “but giradi likes him!!”.

                    Here, I’ll start:
                    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....mitre.html

                    Why are you so sure he is a lock, again?

                    • http://www.yankeenumbers.com Mr. Sparkle

                      If he wasn’t a “safe bet” (not a “lock”) he probably wouldn’t be around this long or even have at one point been considered a serious candidate for one of the starting slots. Besides, Girardi’s been singing his praises since the day he first arrived.

                      The link doesn’t impress me as far as this debate goes. I read MLBTradeRumors.com every day and they are wrong more often than they are right.

                    • radnom


                      The link doesn’t impress me as far as this debate goes. I read MLBTradeRumors.com every day and they are wrong more often than they are right.

                      Um, dude its just linked through that site. RAB had an article on it as well, using the same source.

                      Look if you want to continue to assume Mitre is a lock and cutting him is not an option then fine, have fun, but there is no point in continuing this conversation then. I see no reason to accept that he is a lock just because of your own personal interpretation of the situation, in the face of other evidence.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      “he probably wouldn’t be around this long”

                      Again, faulty logic. That they kept him over previous options (when he had options nonetheless) says nothing about how they feel about him vs. Colon or Garcia. Last season they seemed to think Nova was better as they started him over Mitre, so that one’s fairly certain: Nova > Mitre.

                      “even have at one point been considered a serious candidate for one of the starting slots”

                      Umm… Garcia and Colon are still candidates for the starting slots, so this logic seems to fail.

                      “The link doesn’t impress me as far as this debate goes.”

                      It certainly doesn’t convince me either, but it’s every bit as reliable as your feelings about Girardi’s emotional feelings towards Sergio Mitre.

                  • Ted Nelson

                    Uh… No it’s not a safe bet Mitre makes the team. Joe “loves” him so much that he gave Mitre 3 starts, Moseley 9, and Nova 7. You’re just subjectively speculating about how a guy you presumably never talk to feels about players.

                    • radnom

                      But my link to an actual article relating to the matter “doesn’t impress him” because it was linked on mlbtr……..just like every other piece of baseball news in existence right now.

                • radnom

                  Also we are talking about Sergio Mitre, the same guy with a negative WAR over his stint with the Yankees.

                  Why exactly is keeping him on the 25 man roster worth starting the Yankees 4th best starting pitcher in AAA?

                  • http://www.yankeenumbers.com Mr. Sparkle

                    They already know he can fill the role of long reliever/spot starter. Despite the WAR stat, which I’m sure the Yankees don’t care about, they have been happy with him for two years and don’t know if Colon/Garcia will work out in that role.

                    I’m no Mitre fan. I didn’t even want him around last year. I’m being realistic here and realize the Yankees must think he has value beyond roto stats or else he probably would have been gone long ago. It’s also a fact that Girardi loves him as he’s said as much over and over again.

                    • radnom

                      He is replaceable.

                      Doesn’t matter which stat you want to look at, its true. He was really only a little valuable to the Yankees last season because he could transition between AAA/MLB. No way he survives the year on the 25 man roster.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      “They already know he can fill the role of long reliever/spot starter.”

                      Their usage of him would suggest they don’t think he’s very good. They gave him 3 starts, compared to 9 for freaking Moseley… and he got rocked in those 3 starts with an ERA of 6. They used him a total of 40 innings in relief, mostly only in very low leverage situations.

                      “Despite the WAR stat, which I’m sure the Yankees don’t care about”
                      “Yankees must think he has value beyond roto stats”

                      These are really ignorant statements. The Yankees may not use WAR as such, but you better believe they’re using advanced statistics. Statistics they feel are better than WAR.

                      “don’t know if Colon/Garcia will work out in that role.”

                      Mitre’s role has been: never use him in a situation with any importance unless absolutely necessary. As long as Colon and Garcia’s arms are attached… yeah, they can handle that role.

                      “or else he probably would have been gone long ago.”

                      This is faulty logic… Keeping him over previous options says nothing about keeping him over future options.

                      “It’s also a fact that Girardi loves him”

                      Even if he’s Joe Girardi’s life partner that doesn’t mean he won’t get cut in favor of a better pitcher.

          • NJYankeeFan

            If the objective is to win, I think right now and for the long term, Nova gives you the best chance and should be slotted at #4.
            I have no problem losing Mitre if you want to keep Garcia and Colon as #5/long relief because I think the Yanks will have plently of options from AAA to replace him if needed.

          • Ted Nelson

            Steve, you’re not really addressing radnom’s point. He’s talking about cutting Mitre. What are the chances Mitre was going to make effective starts this season? They let Moseley start over Mitre last season as well as Nova.

            • radnom

              Thank you for the attempt at clarification. It can be frustrating to have a conversation when the person is replying to points you’re not even making.

  • A-ROD fan

    Nova 4. Colon 5…. thats it

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      No … it’s not.

    • http://www.yankeenumbers.com Mr. Sparkle

      So if Colon doesn’t work out, who takes over the five slot now that you’ve released Garcia?

      • NJYankeeFan

        Release Mitre and let Garcia step into the number 5 slot when Colon falters.

        • whozat

          Where has Garcia been this whole time?

          • radnom

            Theoretically in the bullpen.

            I like this general idea, but swap Garcia and Colon. Colon is even on record as being willing to come out of the bullpen. I would not assume the same for Garcia, but he should get the spot on merit regardless.

        • MONTERO IS AWESOME

          I say Nova 4. Garcia 5.

          I couldn’t care less for Mitre. He hasn’t been any good. He’s a waste of a roster space.

  • Beedogs

    Does anyone know if Banuelos is still scheduled to pitch today?

    • radnom

      Check the game thread Axia just posted. He thinks Banuelos is pitching, but isn’t sure.