Apr
16

Open Thread: Hughes’ Throwing Program

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As you know by now, the Yankees placed Phil Hughes on the disabled list yesterday so he could deal with what’s being called a “dead arm phase.” He’ll begin a throwing program tomorrow according to Ian Begley, who reports that Hughes will throw long-toss on Sunday and Monday before resting on Tuesday. He’s going to throw the ball on a line rather than up in the air, and Larry Rothschild is going to pay attention to his arm speed. The soonest he would throw off a mound is Wednesday, but that’s not guaranteed. I don’t care what they do, as long it gets Hughes right.

Anyway, here is your open thread for the night. The Mets and Braves are playing the second game of their doubleheader, and the MLB Network will be carrying a game as well. Who you see depends on where you live. You’ve also got NBA and NHL playoff action all over the place, so there’s enough to keep you occupied on a rather miserable (weather-wise) night. You all know what to do, so have at it.

Categories : Open Thread
  • jt

    mike, did i miss dotf yesterday?

    • First time lawng time

      I think it was included in the post game recap this morning

  • First time lawng time

    Went to the game last night…what are Jeter’s and Cano’ walk up songs? (or at bat songs, whatever you want to call it)

    • Craig

      I need Jorge’s

      • Anthony Murillo

        Posada’s is “El Dia De Mi Suerte” by Hector Lavoe HOWEVER I believe he is using the Marc Anthony version

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Shouldn’t we be asking you that, as you just stated you were the one who went to the game (and thus had a better vantage point to hear the walkup music)?

      • First time lawng time

        No because I do not know the names of the songs. There’s probably a good chance someone here went to a game and heard the songs and they might know the answer.

      • First time lawng time

        And you can’t have a good vantage poiint to hear something. You have a good vantage point to see something

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Fun Fact: the word “vantage” derives from advantage. Vantage point thus means being in an advantageous position. For anything.

          It doesn’t specifically relate to sight (It can, but it’s not required). If you were standing in the middle of a vineyard, you’d have a good vantage point to smell the grapes.

          • First time lawng time
            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              That definition does not contradict my usage.

              • First time lawng time

                Yes it does. position or place that affords a wide or advantageous perspective; viewpoint. Pespective and viewpoint also refer to sight.

                • pete

                  viewpoint does, perspective does not.

                  • First time lawng time

                    Perspective refers to mentality or sight not hearing or smelling

                • Urban

                  No it does not. Tsjc is correct.

                  Beyond that, I have no idea what songs they use! I may be the only person who never hears the intro songs…unless, that is, it’s Enter Sandman.

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

            “Vantage” also refers to a really crappy brand of cigarettes I once smoked as a teen. Tasted like your Mom left a pot on the stove.

          • pete

            ehhh. if we’re picking this many nits, we may as well pick them all: “vantage” does not derive from “advantage”. “Advantage” is just a prefixed version of “vantage”. Not sure what that is derived from, though. Possibly the same root as “vanquish”?

    • bexy on another computer

      Jeter was using “Monster” by Kanye West et al. when I was at the Stadium. Don’t remember Cano’s.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Jeter was using “Monster” by Kanye West et al.

        Fitting, in how Jeter’s career now resembles Jay-Z’s.

        (That’s both a compliment and an insult.)

      • First time lawng time

        Thanks

      • Xstar7

        When I went to a Yankees game in their series vs the Astros last season, Cano was using I’m Not Afraid by Eminem as his walk up song.

  • CS Yankee

    Which (so far) is more amazing in a non-Met way;

    1)Jorge Posada, to date, would have 5 more HR’s than M&M’s toatal from ’61 combined?

    2) That Andrus would have more power than Jeter?

    3) Garcia would be our #2 SP & his ERA would hover around CC?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      1)Jorge Posada, to date, would have 5 more HR’s than M&M’s toatal from ’61 combined?

      Meh, thanks to a later calendar start date in 1961, and rainouts, as of April 16th, 1961, the Yankees had only had two actual games played.

      Jorge’s had like 50 more plate appearances than Mantle/Maris at the same date of the year. More than that, really.

      http://www.baseball-reference......m_schedule::none

  • bexy on another computer

    So I missed almost the entire game today (except for, I am not kidding, the top of the eighth, obviously I should never watch another Yankee game ever again), and just, whoah. Freddy Garcia. O_O That was not expected.

    Alex plz 2 b ok.

    • First time lawng time

      According to the media Arod is bad for the Yankees. They were20-3 without him last year which means he has no value. Lol

    • mbonzo

      Woah Freddy Garcia is right, but I don’t see him having too many games like that. Seemed like the Rangers were sitting fastball on him and he had some remarkable command and movement on all his offspeed stuff. Not saying that I wasn’t impressed, but I’m sure the next team to face him will be looking for breaking balls, and whats the chances he has that kind of stuff on his offspeed pitches next outing? I’m just happy Yankees won today.

      • Ted Nelson

        Of course he’s not going to throw a shutout every time, but he’s had plenty of good starts since he returned from injury

  • Pat D

    An ad for Out of the Park Baseball 11? That’s pretty cool. I can vouch for the quality of that game from previous versions, but I must warn you that if you don’t like simulation games, you’ll hate it, and if you like simulation games, it will suck away endless hours of your life.

    • Pat D

      Oh, and of course, version 12 is the new version for this year.

      • T-Dubs

        I always liked out of the park.

  • Xstar7

    http://m.mlb.com/nyy/news/arti.....617861468/

    I wouldn’t be too worried about A-Rod’s injury yet.

    • Pat D

      I wouldn’t be too surprised if he’s not in the lineup tomorrow, given there’s an off day Monday.

      • Xstar7

        sounds like a plan

  • Thirty5Thirty6

    So Jeff Weaver came into my work today. I had to hold back the urge to do something.

    • Drew

      That’s awesome. He was my favorite terrible Yankee of all time. My favorite was when he ate his glove while walking off the mound.

  • http://twitter.com/stophamm3rtime dela g

    Today is my 24th birthday! I feel so old!!

    I’m glad the yanks delivered at the game. I went to today and yesterday’s games, both very memorable when hanging with my friends

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      You’re 24, and you haven’t even cured cancer yet. What a failure you are.

      Seriously, though, happy birthday, bro.

    • bexy on another computer

      Happy birthday!! I miss you commenting/tweeting more, you’re one of the good ‘uns. Hope everything is great!

      • http://twitter.com/stophamm3rtime dela g

        i’ll be back to tweeting lots at the end of this week. I feel too disconnected from my yankee fan brethren/sistas

    • Salty Buggah

      Happy Birthday, (old) man. :p

    • JerseyDutch

      I have undigested meals in my colon older than you…

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      The question is, will this be the year YOU mysteriously lose 5 mph off your fastball?

      • A-Rod’s Wingman

        A+

      • http://twitter.com/stophamm3rtime dela g

        hahahaha

        • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

          Also, happy birthday :)

          • http://twitter.com/stophamm3rtime dela g

            thanks!! :D

      • The Big City of Dreams

        That seems to be the in thing with young pitchers. It’s like a right of passage.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      Happy Birthday!

      Now go get a job.

    • Pat D

      I turned 30 this year. Thanks for making me feel older.

      Happy Birthday!

  • 28 this year

    anyone see the Royals grounds crew guy fail? They almost killed a guy. Poor royals, at least the guy is replacement level so its not hard to find another.

  • Ben

    For me, the most impressive part of Garcia’s outing was the sixth inning. For one, it was probably his most impressive inning of the game. 1-2-3 with a strikeout and 2 (!!) swing and misses. But it was also Garcia’s third time facing those three hitters, and it didn’t matter. He mixed in the change more, and was quite effective in the inning I most expected him to struggle.

    I don’t expect his success to last long, but today was certainly enjoyable.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      It’s pretty tough to hit in this weather, especially for a team that’s accustomed to Texas heat. I certainly want to see much more from Freddy before I start getting too giddy.

      That being said, boy did the Yanks ever need that start from somebody. The night before we were wondering if Nova is the #3 AND if he’s ready for the bigs.

  • Zack

    #Angels Conger gets 3rd consec start at C. Mathis upset w/ playing time, meets with Scioscia behind closed doors. Declines to talk w/ media
    http://twitter.com/billplunket.....8210150400

    Mathis upset with PT after 3 games? Imagine how Mike Napoli felt.

    • Pat D

      That’s utterly hilarious since Mathis is quite possibly the worst offensive player in baseball.

      • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

        Jarrod Saltalamacchia says hi

        • Pat D

          Wow, I didn’t realize he’d been so horrible this year.

          But I was also looking at Mathis’ entire career. Over 4+ seasons a slash line of .199/.263/.314, which is an OPS+ of 53. That’s just sustained failure.

          Oh, and I love this comment from his B-Ref page sponsor line: “Scioscia says Mathis is one of the Angels’ most valuable players. With Ervin Santana struggling, guess who catches him? Mathis. The Yankees didn’t win their first WS in the 90’s until Joe Girardi joined the team. Mathis is that kind of catcher.”

          Now, this is great for two reasons. First of all, it shows that Mike Scioscia isn’t as smart as for which he’s given credit. Second, while Girardi was no offensive standout, he was nowhere near the automatic out that Mathis usually is. I’m sorry, but I don’t think any player’s defense can cover up that putrid production.

  • Gonzo

    I don’t have ESPN insider, but what did the article about arm injuries and long toss? Damn, I can’t remember the author, but it was a couple of months ago. Don’t need to break any laws, I was just wondering aht the conclusion was.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    Things that make me feel old (and I’m only 33):

    Gerald Wilkins’s son is playing in an NBA playoff game right now. Damon Wayans’s son stars in a new ABC sitcom that debuted this month.

    • Pat D

      Things that make me feel old (and I’m only 30):

      My body. That’s what happens when you’ve been overweight for much too long.

  • Craig

    Two things: Good to see Lance Berkman doing well and I got my Banuelos shirt the other day, quality pickup for $15.

  • ZZ

    People should probably take a look at what Garcia did last season before declaring how shocking his performance was today or that he can’t keep pitching well.

    Game logs are your friend.

    • bexy on another computer

      It’s not that I don’t think he can be an okay contributor, it’s that he might’ve been rusty and he was playing a team who’s been pretty darn good at scoring runs so far.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      Want to have some fun? Look through some game logs for the past few seasons for Josh Beckett. The AJ Burnett comps are very apt.

    • Urban

      Garcia had a high percentage of quality starts, and in those games his ERA was about 2.70 (going off memory here). So that means when he’s on, like he was today, you’ll get a good game. It also means that when he’s bad, he’s horrid. We’ll be seeing both. Let’s just hope he maintains the high percentage of quality starts this year.

  • Granderslam

    Does anyone have info or link to Lance Peddleton scouting report. Just curious. Thanks!

    • First time lawng time

      JFGI

      /some commenters here’d

      • Granderslam

        Um. I did. But you have to be a member on some websites. And I was at work, didn’t have a chance to extensively search. But thanks so much for your help…and your sarcasm.

        • First time lawng time

          Haha I honestly didn’t mean to be rude or accuse you of not googling. Just seemed like a fitting place to say that. If I knew the answer I would have helped you. I’m sorry

      • Slugger27

        nicely done

  • mike c

    I’m interested to see how bartolo colon does filling in for hughes… if he keeps doing well would he be taken out of the rotation? maybe hughes to the pen?

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

      Hughes = Joba C. 2013?

      • mike c

        does that mean joba 2011 = hughes 2009?

    • Tank the Frank

      I don’t think he’ll do particularly well, at least in the long run. He doesn’t have a usable breaking ball from what I’ve seen. He’s got the four-seamer and two-seamer (that lose velocity as the game goes on) and a usable changeup.

      I don’t believe the Yankees see him as a long-term option. Plus Hughes is just too valuable to put in the pen. The Yankees can’t keep paying $15-20 million for starting pitching and filling out the other two or three spots with over-the-hill/injury risk types on minor league deals. They Hughes to be a cheap innings eater in the middle of the rotation at the very least.

  • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

    If you think that Soriano is “broken” right now, you’re insane.

    All I’m saying.

    • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

      he hasn’t pitched in a while and doesn’t pitch well in the cold (or that’s what the going rumor is). I’ll give him a reprieve until the the weather warms up and the schedule gets more consistent.

      • Poopy Pants

        I wish I could get paid millions and fuck up my job, then blame ‘cool weather’.

        • A-Rod’s Wingman

          Well if you had marketable skills you could.

    • mbonzo

      I think its just the reality setting in that the Steinbernner’s plan to sign Soriano to replace Lee was one of the dumbest things to say or do. As if the signing of Feliciano wasn’t bad enough, Soriano has already made it next to impossible to replicate his numbers for next year. It really is a possibility that Soriano does not have the mentality to hold games. On the other hand, its small sample size, all he’s done so far was cost the Yankees 1 game, but might have saved a few as well. So I obviously agree with you that its too early to decide what his season will look like, but the accumulation of all that is wrong with Yankees’ pitching this week (Hughes, Feliciano, Soriano) sends NY fans into panic mode. Seems that everybody forgets how well Colon and Garcia have ended up for the Yanks so far. Although the stats haven’t been there for Nova, he’s kept the Yankees in every inning up until the 5th inning yesterday.

      Summary: Typical Yankees fan says, “Yankees, 8-5, in first place? Who cares, SORIANO SUCKS point me to the suicide bridge.

      • A-Rod’s Wingman

        I have a feeling that if LA falls out of it Cash will try to get Scott Downs.

        • mbonzo

          Its possible, but I don’t think he’d be learning his lesson there. Yankees bullpen is fine, they need an adequate LOOGY and Scott Downs is more than adequate and not a LOOGY. If Boone Logan becomes good, Yankees will be fine, if not they should just target a failed lefty starter. The last thing they should do is trade some nice prospects to the Angels for Scott Downs who promptly goes down with an injury.

          • mike c

            plus if everything goes right the yankees should be able to call up baneulos and use him in the pen come september

            • A-Rod’s Wingman

              Please no.

          • A-Rod’s Wingman

            “If Boone Logan becomes good”

            There’s the sample of all of Boone Logan’s career where he’s been a fairly mediocre pitcher compared to 2010. I don’t think he’ll become good again, and I don’t think a middle reliever signed to a 3/15M contract will command anything more than a Brandon Laird type prospect at the very most. He’ll basically just add depth to the bullpen if Soriano doesn’t breakout of this funk that he’s in and probably be the 7th or 8th inning guy if there’s a good lefty (lefties I suppose too) coming up in the inning.

            • mike c

              the angels aren’t going to trade scott downs for brandon laird… the angels don’t mind paying wells so I really doubt they care about what they are paying downs

              • A-Rod’s Wingman

                Perhaps, they have been willing to spend money poorly in the past. Maybe you’re right.

      • Mickey Scheister

        I am concerned with Soriano, I expect he’ll figure it out but a 9.xx ERA thru 6 appearances is brutal from a guy with the expectations he created with a 1.70 ERA thru 64 appearances last year. It does look eerily similar to his 2004 season, the last season he posted a sub 2 ERA. What incentive does he have to perform well? I doubt he’ll match the salary he signed for and the opt-outs are just in case he has another superb year. I’m not running for bridges or freaking out, just a realist stating facts. For the record his WHIP is half what it was in 04 and ERA+ is much better but his velocity is down and control is off after a career high in IP the last two years combined. I also am aware of the SSS involved. All that said, I HOPE he gets it together and proves me wrong!

        • bexy on another computer

          What incentive does he have to perform well?

          You mentioned the opt-outs. This offseason is closerpalooza, which means that yes teams will be signing closers, but other teams will be looking for closers. So there is that.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            Also, he’s only 31. I assume he’s got his eye on another contract after this one is up. And, you know, pride.

        • Urban

          His incentive is he’s a professional athlete and clearly does not like getting his ass kicked on a national stage pitching before the NY media.

          He will also want to use his opt-out in the next couple of seasons to be a closer again and make even more money, so he has quite a bit of incentive.

          It’s early. It means nothing. I would be more concerned if he was throwing 89 mph today, as he was when he had his other meltdown. He was hitting 94 and that’s a good sine. He has always been a very good relief pitcher when healthy, which he is now. He’ll be fine.

  • A-Rod’s Wingman

    Glad to see they finally DLed Hughes, he was about as close to dead as you could possibly get. Hopefully he’ll turn it around, the team needs him this year. Good game today, Freddy Garcia was awesome, I about shit myself when Teixeira was able to power that shot through in the first. Soriano’s lack of velocity is starting to get a bit concerning, but Joba was fucking awesome again, and Robbie bailed the team out in the eighth. Glad to see Jeter show some signs of life today, hit a deep fly ball that would have been out on a normal day, so that’s encouraging.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    So how did Joba look today? I was listening on the radio, but Serling and Suzyn were gushing over how good he looked. Which may or may not mean absolutely nothing.

    • A-Rod’s Wingman

      Awesome, like a fatter version of 2007 Joba.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        Was he ‘grunting’ and ‘farting’? John and Suzyn were commenting on how aggressive he looked out there.

        • A-Rod’s Wingman

          There were a few burps in there too and he took a swig of a fan’s beer on the way to the mound.

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

            Ah, so they were beer farts.

            Nice.

    • http://twitter.com/stophamm3rtime dela g

      pretty damn good

  • Epy0n

    Garcia threw his changeup 24 times and 16 of them were strikes. His FB was impressive to topping at only 87mph but out of 33 FB’s 22 of them or 66.67% were strikes. If you look at his strikezone plot his command was on point hurling the ball low in the zone. What a great day today.

    • mike c

      his change up was ridiculous… he had guys whiffing at 68 MPH pitches and then mixing in the fastball. he was vert smart with his pitches, pettitte-esque

      • Pat D

        Well the way he was changing speeds with such a diminished fastball, it was reminding me of Mike Mussina when he was successful his last couple years.

        When he didn’t change speeds well enough, he got hit and was pretty terrible. However, when he mixed it up enough, he kept hitters off balance and had success.

      • Monteroisdinero

        no 68 mph changes 24 times a game in Andy’s career-a different kind of smart-but great location was key.

    • Monteroisdinero

      Location location location. Important to all pitchers except…

      Phil Hughes

  • Monteroisdinero

    Getting pumped for a game at Trenton this week and one or two at Scranton Fri/Sat. I hope Jesus is still hitting in the .400’s when I get there.

  • Epy0n

    If you are really trying to get into triple a baseball or highschool baseball what are some good sites to go to that are informative?

    • A-Rod’s Wingman

      Into AAA baseball? minorleagueball.com, Baseball America, or even just go to games at your local park are good starts. HS baseball? Depends on the community.

      • Epy0n

        Thanks Baseball America is great!

      • Mickey Scheister

        I live right next to the Gwinnett Braves Stadium (CoolRay Field, 2 miles away) in GA, AAA Yanks will be there for 4 games the last weekend of the month, I can’t wait to see Montero and hopefully ManBan will be pitching! I just moved there at the end of the AAA season last year, it’ll be my first AAA game.

        I used to go to BlueRocks games in DE, not AAA.

  • Epy0n

    Dallas Braden vs Justin Verlander. Impressive start so far for Braden, mixing his pitches well.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      Remember when Justin Verlander inexplicably lost his fastball in his second year in the bigs?

      • A-Rod’s Wingman

        That was one of the more odd things I’ve seen. Hopefully Phil Hughes goes through the same thing, mainly the getting it back part, but you can get your stuff back too apparently.

  • Hall and Nokes

    Gawd…….how dire are the mets?

  • Monteroisdinero

    King Felix 1-2 and losing 7-0 to the Royals today. Trade Montero for him?

    Who else do they have to make it fair?

    Clearly a case of too many innings and a dead arm. It’s the hottest thing since oblique injuries.

    • A-Rod’s Wingman

      He’s been killing me in fantasy.

  • Craig

    Anyone else looking forward to this Mets firesale?

    • A-Rod’s Wingman

      There’s not really anything decent left.

      • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

        Santana if he comes back healthy would be nice.

        If Gardner sucks all season or Swish/Grandy get hurt, Beltran if he’s healthy would also be nice.

        • A-Rod’s Wingman

          Yeah, Beltran’s the only one I see the Yankees making a run at. They won’t trade David Wright, and in order to do so they’d have to eat too much salary to where they may as well just keep him. Jose Reyes might get traded to a team that needs a SS leading up to the playoffs, maybe LA or SF might take a chance on him.

          • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

            Or maybe Boston might want Reyes. Scutaro sucks and Jed Lowrie probably isn’t the long term answer.

      • http://twitter.com/unfixed unfixed

        Shake Shack for Johnny Rockets.

        Do it.

        Do it.

      • Hall and Nokes

        Outright ownership of the franchise?

      • Urban

        David Wright would be nice. Not for the Yankees (no opening).

        • NJYankeeFan

          Wrigh is pretty athletic. How bout LF?

      • The Big City of Dreams

        I’d take Reyes and give them Pat Venditte. 2 pitchers in one body. It’s a win win for the mets.

  • A-Rod’s Wingman

    Where can I find data about letting inherited runners score?

  • Total Dominication

    A-rod is leading the AL in all 3 parts of the triple slash line.

  • epy0n

    Vladimir Guerrero swings at outside pitches almost 53% of the time. 0_0

  • Craig

    This storm is CRAZY, a huge bolt just struck my backyard and the subsequent thunder woke me up; terrible experience

    • Urban

      What were you doing sleeping at this early hour?!

  • Jenny

    just when you think the Mets couldn’t sink further, they do.

  • Speedy

    What does all this have to done with Phil Hughes’ Throwing Program? I guess it is an open thread. But…

    I was thinking once they figure out Hughes’ problem, they could use him in the overworked bullpen to build up pitch count. In 2009? he was lights out in the BP. Right?