Open Thread: Tight back for Soriano

Montero hurt in Scranton win
Yanks recover from Mo's blown save, top O's in extras
(AP Photo/Gail Burton)

Like many of you, I was wondering what the hell was up with Rafael Soriano when the Yankees had a one-run lead in the eighth inning today and he was nowhere to be found. Joe Girardi announced after the game that his Eighth Inning Guy™ has some tightness in his lower back, and he was unavailable yesterday as well. He’ll be re-evaluated tomorrow to see if he can pitch. Hopefully he’s okay, because it’s unlikely Mariano Rivera will be available on Monday after throwing 30-something pitches today.

Anyway, here is the open thread for the night. The ESPN Sunday Night game features the Reds and Cardinals (Sam LeCure-Jake Westbrook), plus I’m sure there’s NHL and NBA playoff action on somewhere. Talk about whatever you like, go nuts.

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Montero hurt in Scranton win
Yanks recover from Mo's blown save, top O's in extras
  • squishy jello person

    Re Montero: There aren’t many times I’m glad I’m a woman, but this is one of them

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      I’m glad I’m a woman cause I get to wear my hair in a ponytail.

    • bonestock94

      Still, I’d rather have my sensitive nads than bleed monthly and be pregnant and all that stuff.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Being a woman is easy dude, they never have to worry about getting anyone pregnant.

        • YankeesJunkie

          …and the free drinks.

        • squishy jello person

          Men will never have to risk their lives in childbirth. Women do every time they have a kid.

          • Jose the Satirist

            Technically women never have to risk their lives in childbirth either. Maternal death is very low in the US. You are 60 times more likely to die in a car crash in a given year.

            • squishy jello person

              Depends on the area of the US you’re in.

              • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

                Or who’s driving the car you’re in :wink:

            • Hurling Darvish

              In Connecticut, the most likely way to die as a teenager is in a car accident.

          • bonestock94

            They don’t have to have kids though. See: abstinence, 3rd input, etc.

          • Oliver

            Death by passive-aggressive, bitchy man-hating FTW!

        • Tank the Frank

          Haha IETC!

        • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

          I sense sarcasm I hope?

          • Sabermetrically Challenged

            Women don’t have to worry about the annoyance of butt-hair

            • bonestock94

              False, and I’m not elaborating on that.

            • Cuso

              ugh!

              just……ugh!

              i shoulda put a butt-hair clause in the pre-nup

  • Midland TX

    The bullpen got nailed, but rose from the dead.

    • Hurling Darvish

      Our offense should be able to pickup the pitching late in games often enough; better late than never today, I suppose.

  • A-Rod’s Wingman

    Regarding today’s game, I don’t think anything’s wrong with Mo or Girardi did anything poorly. Freddy Garcia throws garbage, if he goes through six unscathed, you don’t want to risk any correction. The bullpen was well rested and had a three run lead. Perhaps, they should have brought in Robertson instead of Chamberlain, if they knew Soriano had a tight back, but that’s all I got. Mo hadn’t pitched since Tuesday, no one’s at fault there, relievers can’t pitch every five days and be expected to remain sharp. Shit happens.

    • YankeesJunkie

      If this maybe a one or two run lead and Garcia did not look good in the sixth then I would agree. However, Garcia was still strong and he at least deserved a shot in the seventh inning with a three run lead. Most of the time it won’t matter and the Yanks will win, but just for the sake of getting more distance out of your starter it should be done.

      • A-Rod’s Wingman

        Yes, but Freddy Garcia sucks. Anytime you over extend him you’re playing with fire. He’s had two good outings, but he hasn’t been a good pitcher since 2006. I mean, he’s probably good enough for the Yankees for their purposes…but he’s not a guy you want facing the line up much more than three times through.

        • YankeesJunkie

          Does not have to be a long leash, maybe just one hitter getting on, but still he earned a leash.

          • Hurling Darvish

            I agree, leave Freddy in until he gets a runner on at least; maybe you can pickup a cheap out or two. I mean he had given up 2 freaking hits all game and the 2 walks came in the second inning. He’s a big horse and he doesn’t throw hard anyway. The risk is neglible.

            Soriano being N/A, plus two guys you don’t trust at all (Pendleton & Carlyle), leaves you just 4 relievers (counting Boone Logan) in the pen for 3 innings, leaving basically no wiggle room.

            It turned out OK, but still seems a bit of a waste of an arm that they may need tomorrow or more likely the day after.

    • bonestock94

      While I don’t oppose the gist of your post, I don’t think fear of correction is a good reason to pull a pitcher. Sometimes pitchers have entire fluke seasons without correction.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        Right, but 90 pitches for a guy who hasn’t pitched all that much is a pretty good reason. Going into the game, I would have signed up for 6 IP no runs in a heartbeat. If Joba doesn’t do his job after that, that’s on him.

        • bonestock94

          Yea I’m fine with that, I was speaking in general terms. I don’t blame Girardi at all today, Joba and Mo weren’t sharp.

    • Poopy Pants

      Thanks for your expert opinion, keyboard warrior.

  • A-Rod’s Wingman

    Third in points this week in fantasy, Mo and Carmona cost me this week. Also, should I drop Thorton for Capps? I’m leaning yes, I don’t trust Ozzie to use his best reliever as the closer and Joe Nathan lost his job and still looks shell shocked after A-Rod in the 2009 ALDS a la Brad Lidge.

    • A-Rod’s Wingman

      Also League’s a FA. I’m having difficulty deciding between League, Capps, and Thorton for my second reliever.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        I wouldn’t touch League, especially because Aardsma’s coming back soon so he won’t even get you saves. I have a lot of faith in Thornton, that he’ll figure it out.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

      Definitely shell shock. Has nothing to do with the Tommy John Surgery.

  • pete

    So the Yankees are pretty good at this hitting home runs thing, huh?

  • A-Rod’s Wingman
  • First time lawng time

    Way to blow the save (again) Rivera. Nice job.

    • Tank the Frank

      DFA him.

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      DFA.

      • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

        I lose.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      He’s better at his job than you’ll ever be at anything, ever.

      • First time lawng time

        Doubt it. He doesn’t even have a real job.

        • Poopy Pants

          True.

          • Hurling Darvish

            Not true. He has endorsement deals and is a model for Canali, whoever did that job before is out of work now. That qualifies as a real job or two, like being closer for the Yankees isn’t a real job.

      • First time lawng time

        Ehhh. I’m pretty good at math. And Mario kart.

        • http://riveraveblues.com/2010/02/2010-preseason-top-30-prospects-21281/#comment-779224 LET SBGL BACK ON BRACKMAN’S DEBUT

          best ever? i thought not

      • Eloquence

        +42

  • http://twitter.com/Kevin_NJ Kevin in Princeton

    Someone offered me Kuroda for Dunn in an RAB fantasy league. I don’t want to do it, but still want some pitching help…
    Sometimes thinking about fantasy baseball hurts.

    • http://twitter.com/Kevin_NJ Kevin in Princeton

      I’m thinking of counter-offering with Liriano for Dunn, but Liriano looks awful so far. Any thoughts?

    • http://Facebook.com/andrewjcalagna Drew

      He’s trying to buy low on Dunn. He can still turn around and hit 40 HR this year. Don’t do it.

      • Hurling Darvish

        Dunn did switch leagues and he’s in a better league now. He may turn it around, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he continued to underperform.

  • Rookie

    Wow. There’s a shocker. Mike Axisa and others point out that Girardi is overusing Soriana, Mo, and Chamberlain and two of them start to suck and the other one gets a sore back. What a coincidence. Who’d a thunk it?

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      Could you link me to anything that has Mike criticizing Girardi for his overuse of Mo, Soriano or Joba? I know he’s not a fan of the “8th inning” role and has complained about Dave Robertson being overused, but I’ve yet to see him gripe about any of the people you’ve mentioned.

      BTW-There’s a reason for it. It isn’t true. They haven’t been overused.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Oh I complained, maybe not in a post or comment, but I definitely though he was using all three guys too much early on. I know they played a lot of close games, but Girardi’s steadfast refusal to break The Formula and incorporate Robertson in the 7th-8th-9th inning mix to rest some of the others was infuriating, especially since he warmed up every damn game.

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

          Mike, do you watch the post games and get Girardi’s answers on why he makes the decisions he does? I ask because almost without exception, his answers are more thoughtful and based on more information than the complaints most people make.

          I used to 2nd guess him as well, but when I got his side of the story I almost always found him to be in the right, either that night or long term. After a while, I learned to trust him.

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

          One other thing. When I mentioned relievers not being overused, I was referring to a piece that Mo did a few weeks back.

          http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/.....eman-28383

          Check out the Marc Carig quote halfway through the piece. They track everything, including warm ups. Nobody gets overextended.

          • Rookie

            In that case, they’re awful at math — because they’re definitely overusing Joba, Soriano, and Mo. And like Mike Axisa has said, I don’t understand how warming Robertson up almost every game can’t be overuse.

            • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

              No, they’re not awful at math, actually you are. Here’s the schedule:

              http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....1&m=4

              In the 27 days since the season started on March 29th, the Yanks have only played 18 games. Joba and Mo have appeared in 11 games in those 27 days, while Dave Robertson has appeared in just 9. Which comes out to (roughly) 2 days off for every appearance made for all three guys.

              So tell me again, how exactly has Robertson (or anyone else) been “overused”?

              • Rookie

                Because you asked, Nostra-Artist,

                Joba’s appearances:
                April, 7th, 9th, 10th — three out of four days
                April 14th, 16th, 17th, 19th — four out of five days

                Soriano’s appearances:
                April 4th, 5th, 7th — three out of four days
                April 16th, 17th, 19th, 20th — four out of five days
                followed by stiff back and not being available to pitch

                Mo’s appearances:
                April 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th — four out of six days
                April 13th, 14th, 16th, 17th, 19th — five out of seven days
                followed by extremely un-Mo-like ineffectiveness in his next two starts

                And I don’t claim to be an expert on the topic, but I echo Mike Axisa’s concern that I suspect having David Robertson warm up to get ready to come into what seemed like every game for awhile takes a toll whether he comes into the game or not.

                Also, it’s a long season. Mo hasn’t had more than 66 appearances since 2008. He’s had 11 appearances in the first 10% of 2011’s games in the first 25 days of the season. I don’t think that’s a smart way to use a 42-year old pitcher no matter how much he may have defied Father Time in the past.

                Just my opinion…

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      The last time Joba pitched before today was 4/19.

  • pat

    Manuel let Halladay throw 130 pitches today. Wowsers.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      Halladay let Manuel tell him he could throw 130 pitches today. Wowsers.

      Fixed that for ya.

  • Xstar7

    Now that the Knicks have been swept out of the postseason, what’s next for them? Trade what’s left of their young core for another superstar with an expiring contract?

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      -Get a point guard
      -Get a few guys who can rebound and play defense
      -Win championship
      -Win another championship

      • Xstar7

        Those first two pretty much cover it. But first they’ll have to go through the Bulls in the eastern conference to win a championship.

      • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

        Get a few guys who can rebound and play defense

        Get a coach that stresses defense and rebounding first, then get players to buy into playing defense.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        -Teach the basics of defense

        That should take precedence over anything.

    • Neil

      You call that a core?

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    http://www.fangraphs.com/leade.....#038;ind=0

    Stat of the day. For Reds pitcher Edinson Vozquez, 35.3% of his fly balls have left the ballpark.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      Check his first inning ERA/all other innings ERA split. SSS but iiiiit’s amazing.

    • MikeD

      Yikes. Is a flyball considered anything in the air that makes it past the infield?

  • MikeD

    BTW Did we lose one of the three new weekend writers? I’ve been in and out a little less frequently of late on weekends due to other commitments, so perhaps I’m just missing one by timing.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

      I know Mike has said Blake had family issues and Stephen just had a kid.

    • 28 this year

      yea, Brock had school and family things to deal with so he hasn’t been writing.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Brock is on hiatus because of school and a family health issue. Stephen just became a dad.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....d=14129891

    Gardner’s play of the game.

    • Dalelama

      Brett showed today why he should be a fourth OF late game defensive replacement/pinch runner.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        Do you know who was #2 in WAR for the Yanks last year?

        http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.....ason1=2010

        Yep.

        • mbonzo

          He earned a win today.

        • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

          In fairness you are only looking at Fangraphs WAR. If you go to B-Ref and check it out, you’ll find that Gardner finished…………wait for it……..2nd in bWAR as well.

          But, clearly today’s game should outweigh 2010.

      • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

        Did 2010 never happen for you?

      • JerseyDutch

        The crack must be exceptional tonight.

        • dalelama

          Not that it matters to Gardner as he never gets a hit…LOL

    • Hurling Darvish

      Defensive play of the year so far, me thinks.

  • mbonzo

    I’m in a dynasty league, and I figured I’d put Alexi Ogando on the market since it looks like his LOB% and BABIP are ridiculous right now. I’ve been offered a minors package, headlined by Wilin Rosario. Is Ogando for real? I picked him up thinking he’d be a killer holds guy, and possible saves, but he’s been an amazing 2 pitch starter. Does he keep it up?

    • Hurling Darvish

      I think this is a tough league to be a 2 pitch guy, but he has been pretty good. Let’s see what happens when teams get to see him again. The AL West is the lightest hitting division, especially excluding Texas, the only really good hitting team, so he may be able sustain it.

      Also, he’ll be running into some inning pitched issues later on, I would think. Texas is probably thinking that he’ll make the transition from reliever to starter like CJ Wilson, but I’d be worried about a breakdown of some sort.

      I see Feliz is on the DL with shoulder immflamtion; I wonder if that had something to do with the attempt to stretch him out to a starter in ST.

      • Hurling Darvish

        I meant inflammation; I botched that one like the O’s entire infield today.

        • mbonzo

          I was always impressed with Ogando as a reliever. Very Rivera like. I didn’t think he would do well moving over to the rotation, and while his FIP, BABIP, LOB% are telling me he’s gonna get worse, he’s kept his WHIP incredibly low his whole career. Even against the Yankees he only gave up a few big hits, and that was his worst outing ever.

  • Pat D

    Just want everyone to know, in case you missed it, that at the beginning of Baseball Tonight, they showed very brief highlights of a few games. They showed the double that Rivera gave up that tied the game.

    Bobby Valentine used that opportunity to say, “All good things must come to an end…is the end here for Mariano Rivera?”

    I’ll hang up and let you all discuss.

    • ChrisR

      He also said he should be moved out of the closer role…. >_>

      • Pat D

        Wait, really?

        • mbonzo

          What does it matter? They only say these things to try and shock viewers into watching. If you’re four or against it you’ll just sit there and yell with or against the TV. Same reason people watch CNN or Fox News.

          • Pat D

            I wonder if someone else will correct you on your typo. And MSNBC would fit better than CNN.

            • mbonzo

              Hah just realized that. Nailed the “you’re”, but that four makes me wonder wtf I was thinking.

              • Pat D

                Baiting Poopy Pants?

    • JohnnyC

      Watching Baseball Tonight is like being a fan of fascism.

      • http://twitter.com/Kevin_NJ Kevin in Princeton

        Truer words have never been spoken.

      • Pat D

        I was just trying to get highlights during my lunch and it was the only thing on at the time I could trust to see said highlights.

    • Hurling Darvish

      That’s what you get when commentators don’t actually watch the games. Mo got squeezed like a freaking orange today. It seems to happen to our relievers all year. Late and close, the strike zone shrinks like the man parts of the polar bear cluib.

    • JerseyDutch

      Bobby V gives a whole new definition to the word moron.

  • goterpsgo

    I may be stating the obvious but I want to commend Cashman for buying low again on someone who was given up on but has come back to contribute big time. In ’09 it was Swish, this year it’s Russ Martin.

    Is it too soon to call him a True Yankee? :D

    • JohnnyC

      Russel Martin was a free agent. And we outbid the Red Sox for him. It’s not comparable to the Swisher really.

      • Tom Zig

        It still was a buy-low though.

        • Hurling Darvish

          Definitely. Great acquisition.

  • JohnnyC

    I’m watching NY1 here in the city and Bud Myshkin just finished the weekend sports update, finishing with highlights from the Yankees-Orioles game. The anchor turned to him and said, with a cheery smile, “how about those Mets?” Bud paused a beat and drily replied, “It’s a long season.”

    • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

      I didn’t know there were people left who still watched NY1. Bravo.

      • Hurling Darvish

        My mom likes NY1 because they do the weather every few minutes.

        They had (or still have) the stupidest show ever, where they read the newspaper on the air.

        • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

          Hahahahaha yeah, How I Met Your Mother makes fun of that. It’s great.

  • Plank

    The Captain at his finest. Stay Classy.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/l.....vlAUcNUHSP