Oct
25

Open Thread: Goal Posts

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(via the Yankees on Twitter)

One way or the other, the baseball portion of Yankee Stadium’s schedule would have been over by today. The AL park schedule of the World Series is over, but of course the Yankees were ousted in the ALDS. The Stadium is now going into college football mode, with Rutgers and Army scheduled to play in Bronx on November 12th. You can get your tickets right here. The goal posts went up today, so they’ve got about two weeks to paint the lines and install additional on-field seating, plus whatever else there is to do. I haven’t been to a non-baseball event at Yankee Stadium yet, but everything I’ve heard is that they’re amazing, whether it’s college football or a concert or a boxing match. One day I’ll make it there for one. One day.

Anyways, here is your open thread for his fine evening. No World Series game tonight, the Rangers and Cardinals need to rest after making the 650 mile flight from Dallas to St. Louis. Both the Devils and Islanders are playing though, and that’s better than nothing. Use this thread to talk about anything your heart desires, go bananas.

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Categories : Open Thread
  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
    • Pat D

      My favorite is definitely the first one, where Lilliquist basically tells him to fuck off.

      I would have to say that I am of the opinion that since LaRussa is saying that it was loud in the bullpen and they couldn’t communicate well, he is essentially saying Lilliquist screwed up.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Agreed. What probably happened is that they didn’t expect the situation to unravel quickly. They figured Scrabble would get Murphy out, either that or they completely forgot about Napoli.

  • Brian S.

    Hypothetical question for you. Do you guys think Jeter would make a better third basemen than a shortstop? Obviously he is going to be playing shortstop and Rodriguez third base next season but I just want to know what you guys think.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Probably third because there’s less lateral movement involved.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Probably third since it would require less lateral movement.

  • deer
  • dela g

    Does anyone else find Lackey’s Tommy John Surgery fishy?

    • MannyGeee

      Extremely. Didn’t think one could blow out an arm 16 ounces at a time….. Amirite??

      • YankeesJunkie

        Don’t pitchers blow out there arm five ounces all the time, so I am surprised the 16 ounces surprises me did not blow out when he was 21.

    • Foghorn Leghorn

      I think this is something that would require an investigation by the MLB since they were trying to pawn him off on the Cubs.

      The Sox dirtly laundry just keeps piling up.

      What does the loss of Lackey mean for their rotation? The now have 2 holes with Dice K gone. Does that open the door for Wakefield to return?

      Stay tuned for the next episode of As The Sox Turn…

      • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

        Right now, they have ONE reliable pitcher in Lester. Beckett is injury-prone and sucked down the stretch, and Buccholz is also coming off an injury. Everyone else they have just sucks except Aceves who they insist on having in the pen. And even he will probably have “Phil Hughes Syndrome” next year.

        • Foghorn Leghorn

          I think Beckett is going to have a rough go of it next year. He’s the poster boy and the fans and media have completely turned on him.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I don’t think he’d have surgery just to save the team some cash. Lackey wants to pitch.

      • Brian S.

        Are they actually saving money on him now?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          There was a clause in his contract that said if he spends some set number of days on the DL with an elbow injury, a sixth year option at the league minimum automatically vests. This will kick in since he’s going to miss the season, and the extra year now lowers the AAV of his contract for luxury tax purposes.

          • Brian S.

            But they still have to spend 16 million dollars on him for 2012, 2013, and 2014 right? That’s all that I care about.

            • Foghorn Leghorn

              And they need to find a replacement on top of that…actually, two since Dice K is out. You know that Wakefield is going to be one of them.

              Aceves is probably the other and his back will start hurting once the ink is dry.

              • Brian S.

                I think they will bring back Bedahhhhhd or let Ortiz and Papelbon walk so they can sign CJ Wilson.

                • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

                  Would any big name FA really want to go there after the fiasco that’s been going on in the clubhouse for the last 2 years?

                  • Brian S.

                    Money talks.

                • Foghorn Leghorn

                  Bedaahhhd can’t picth more than half a season..I think letting Ortiz do is a good idea – they need to cut ties with that jackass. Letting Papelbon go is a huge mistake.

              • Brian S.

                Also, I think they will sign another reclamation project just because.

                • Foghorn Leghorn

                  Colon?

          • mbonzo

            But if there was no insurance, they are dishing out $13.8m+ for 2012+ where he probably won’t pitch.

            • Lackey’s Elbow

              They’re dishing out $16.5 million in 2012, not $13.8 million. With his surgery, an additional year kicks in in 2015 at league minimum, which lowers the annual average to $13.8 million over the now six-year deal, but the original payments don’t change, meaning they still will be paying $16.5 million over each of the next three seasons. Their “reward” is they now get Lackey’s services for another year (is this a good thing?) in 2015 for approximately 450K, or whatever league minimum goes for these days, or will be in four years. I’m guessing it will go up some, especially with the new CBA pending.

              And for those asking about insurance, I think it’s unlikely the Red Sox have insurance on Lackey. Insurance on multi-year contracts for pitchers is so damn high that most teams pass on them now, or simply insure for very specific type of injuries, such as a total loss or death. The loss of a season for TJS most likely is not something they would have covered. Hard to say since teams don’t release this information.

      • mbonzo

        We’re assuming the Red Sox had insurance on him, and I doubt it was easy to find an insurance company for that contract.

        • Foghorn Leghorn

          I would think the insurance company would want to investigate this. Its rather suspect.

          • Lackey’s Elbow

            As I noted above, I think it’s unlikely the Red Sox had insurance on Lackey, or comprehensive insurance. This is not a case of it costing penny’s on the dollar. To fully insure an $82.5 million contract could cost tens of millions because of the high liklihood of a payout. Many teams now assume the full risk, figuring the loss of a season of pitching (such as Lackey will now have) and associated cost ($16.5 million in this case) will be cheaper than insuring the contract.

    • steve (different one)

      Does anyone else find Lackey’s face horsey?

      Yes, I do.

      • Horses

        We resent this comment.

    • Foghorn Leghorn

      Usually the news about TJS is right after an injury. The reports say he had some pain over the summer. So, the red sox medial staff still lets him pitch?

      Who the hell are the team doctors up there? They don’t know their ass from their elbow.

    • Dino Velvet

      Who knew you could blow out your elbow eating video games and playing fried chicken.

    • bonestock94

      Nah, if anything it makes sense to me. Lackey was overrated when signed, but he wasn’t a 6+ ERA pitcher either. I think his true talent level is a (damn expensive) useful back end guy. The fact that he was so unbelievably bad this year makes total sense since his elbow was messed up.

  • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

    Would anyone consider an Austin Romine for Charlie Morton trade straight up?

    • mbonzo

      I wouldn’t. I simply don’t trust him and I like Romine’s ceiling better. I’d rather have Zack Von Rosenberg for Cervelli.

      • Foghorn Leghorn

        Zack Von Rosenberg sounds like a made up name from a James Bond movie.

        • JohnnyC

          Stop making up names!

          /Francesa’d

    • Brian S.

      I would consider it if Morton didn’t just have surgery on his torn labrum.

      • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

        He did? Yikes.

        • JohnnyC

          It’s his hip not his shoulder. Recovery time is 4-5 months. Won’t miss more than a month of the season.

          • Brian S.

            Yeah but it’s still a major surgery. Although I am a fan of his 59% GB rate. If only he could control his walks he would be the second coming of Wang.

  • Kenny

    I wonder what A-rod is doing rite now. Lemme guess, taking more steroids!!

    • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat
      • Brian S.

        That place is actually a lot more friendly than you would think. I know a lot of members of the Yankee affiliated SBNation blog that chat over there on occasion.

    • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

      Hey, A-Rod steroid guy is back!

  • Horses

    One additional thought on John Lackey’s TJS surgery and it tripping an additional year at league minimum. I’m not sure why that would be. His contract states that the team can trip a “2015 club option at Major League minimum salary if Lackey misses significant time with surgery for a pre-existing elbow injury in 2010-14.”

    He’s having TJS. How is that a pre-existing condition? Did Joba have a pre-existing condition? Any pitcher can blow out his elbow on a single pitch. It doesn’t mean it’s related to whatever else they saw going on in his elbow.