Cashman: Market moving at “glacial speed”

Open Thread: Juan Miranda
New CBA will include HGH testing, eliminate Elias rankings

It’s been a very slow offseason for the Yankees so far, save for the Mike O’Connor signing and yesterday’s Rule 5 Draft moves. “The free agent [market] is moving at a glacial speed,” said Brian Cashman to Dan Martin. “And the category I’m shopping in, I don’t believe guys are jumping off the board this week. The players I’m interested in won’t be coming off the board anytime soon. But trade stuff is different. That can move fast, if someone finds the right match.”

“I made trade proposals that were rejected and received trade proposals that I rejected,” added the GM. “The free agent guys haven’t made me any offers.” Cashman also confirmed that he has not yet followed up with C.J. Wilson and his agent after they asked to visit the Yankees in New York. I expect things to pick up a bit once the new Collective Bargaining Agreement is announced next week, since teams will know exactly what is going on with Type-A and B free agent compensation. The winter meetings are two weeks after that, and that’s when all hell breaks loose.

Open Thread: Juan Miranda
New CBA will include HGH testing, eliminate Elias rankings
  • Sam

    even though the new CBA hasn’t been officially announced, doesn’t everyone know what’s in it at this point? Also I’m curious to see how soon after the Japan Series ends Yu makes his decision about posting.

    • Cris Pengiucci

      Speaking of Darvish, how much time do teams have to enter a bid after he’s posted? How long after that till the winner of the posting is announced? I imagine the Yankees are waiting to see what goes on with him before moving on to other possible candidates, if they’re interested in him or not.

      • Mike Axisa

        Once the player is officially posted, NPB and MLB notify the 30 clubs. The blind auction period is four days long, then the NPB club has four days to decide whether to accept the bid. If they accept, the club and the player have 30 days to negotiate a contract.

  • Yazman

    What’s on your holiday wish list? Mine:

    1) Yu Darvish

    2) Jesus Montero shines

    3) Healthy Alex

    4) Great years for two other non-CC starters (Nova, Hughes, Noesi, or any of the SWB hopefuls).

    • jjyank

      I’d like to throw in Joba in the rotation… I know its kind of beating a dead horse at this point, but seriously, this is the perfect opportunity. We have a lot of uncertainty in the rotation, and Joba will be getting stretched out in his rehab anyway.

      • Tackaberry

        You would have to wish to a higher power than Santa for that one.

      • Yazman

        By the #s, hard to disagree. But I think the team has a different assessment of his injury risk…

      • The Big City of Dreams

        I would like to see him get another shot as well but as long as he’s on the Yankees Joba is stuck in the bullpen. Maybe in two yrs some other team will give him a chance.

      • RetroRob

        It takes a year to recover from TJS, which puts Joba on pace to return in June. And while it takes a year to physically return to the mound, it generallly takes up to eighteen months for a pitcher to regain his full capabilities. In other words, even if the Yankees were thinking about Joba in the rotation (which they’re not), they wouldn’t consider it until 2013.

        If you want to see Joba in the rotation, then hope that the surgery and the rehab program he’s currently undergoing helps him rediscover the peak velocity he lost in late 2008. If that happens and we see him ocassionaly touching 100 out of the pen, then the Yankees just might reconsider.

        • whozat

          But his rehab will start in may-june. They often rehab players as starters, because their workload is more structured. I kinda hope they won’t feel the need to rush him back, and let him build strength for a while…but I betcha that one of Soriano or Robertson will be hurt or struggling, and Wade will have flamed out, so…

    • Bavarian Yankee

      my wishlist is short:

      1) win the 2012 WS

      2) Boston signs Wilson for 6/120

      • jjyank

        No, Boston signs Wilson for 12/300! That’s my wish.

  • Dropped third superstar

    Lets get some global warming in the front offices

  • jjyank

    I’d love to see the Yanks trade for Danks. I think he’s the perfect combination of availability, quality, and a non-Montero/ManBan package. Not saying he’s the best pitcher that could be traded, but for the price, he will likely be the best buy.

    • Craig Maduro

      I know that the general “rule of thumb” in the majority of cases is to cash in potential for production, but I’d just as soon save the prospects – notably Dellin Betances – for someone other than Danks. I get that his price appears manageable, but he’s just so “eh” to me.

      If Betances was removed from the hypothetical equation I’d feel a lot better about a Danks deal, but as people always point out, why would the Sox agree to that?

    • Ted Nelson

      I don’t know why people assume the White Sox are dying to give Danks away for peanuts. Guy is a young lefty ace. Kenny Williams is a wild card, but I still don’t see him giving away Danks.

      • whozat

        His past numbers are Jackson-esque, right? he’s no ace. He’s a good young pitcher, but let’s not oversell.

        • CMP


          Great article on fangraphs about just how similar Danks and Jackson really are. Considering Danks would be under control for only 1 more year than Jackson, I don’t think he’s gonna be worth the price to get him.

          Get me Darvish to go with CC, Nova, Hughes and Noesi with Warren, Phelps, ManBan and Betances on the horizon and I’ll be happy.

        • Ted Nelson

          By his 26 year old season the guy has had a 5, a 4, and two 3 fWAR seasons. You can quibble about the semantics of “ace,” but the guy is a stud.

          Jackson is also fairly underrated himself.

          • Craig Maduro

            WAR is clearly not a stat that a group of fans can look at and walk away with similar feelings. I realize a lot of stats can produce divergent opinions, but WAR seems to be near the top of the list.

            Despite Danks’ 5, 4 and two 3 WAR seasons, I don’t view him as a stud either. He’s a young and very solid lefty, but he falls short of a stud in my eyes.

  • MannyGeee

    I hate this time of the baseball year…

    From when the Yankees get bounced from the playoffs to the Winter Meetings is just abysmal…

  • FIPster Doofus


  • vinny-b

    Xmas list? It was Cespedis.

    however, with his agent asking for a contract of 50 million, even that’s too much for me.

    I mean, 50 million committment for a player who’s yet to ever face a curveball in major league or minor league play? A bit much, no?

    what exactly is this contract demand based on? A chiseled body and amateur youtube video? “Alleged” 5-tool players from the amateur ranks probably aren’t too uncommon at all. That’s why they’re alleged.


    • Plank

      however, with his agent asking for a contract of 50 million, even that’s too much for me.

      Luckily, you aren’t the one paying him.

      • Jose M. Vazquez..

        The agent’s duty is to get as much for his client as he can. It does not mean you have to go where no one has gone before(quote from StarTrek).

        • Plank

          You’re playing fast and loose with the word quote.

    • FIPster Doofus

      It’s not an unreasonable demand if someone will pay it. And it appears someone will.

  • Bronx Byte

    Little expected in the way of deals and signings until the rumors start in early December befor the Dallas meetings.
    Teams busy adjusting 40 man rosters in anticipation of deals.

  • Rainbow Connection

    Signing ‘true ace’ CC and ‘clutch’ Swisher is a ‘very slow off season’?

    • FIPster Doofus

      There’s nothing particularly exciting about picking up an option that everyone knew was going to get picked up. I’ll grant you the re-signing of CC, but I don’t think anyone expected him to leave anyway; it was just a question of how many years and dollars the Yankees would give him.

    • MannyGeee

      Adding a year to a pitcher you already had and exercising an option are not exactly deals… That’s just BAU.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        Sarcasm missed.

  • Plank

    “I made trade proposals that were rejected and received trade proposals that I rejected,” added the GM.

    I hope Cashman writes a tell all when he retires. I would love to hear the trade proposals he’s gotten.

    • Jesse

      Some usually get leaked out as time goes along. But that’d be pretty awesome if he did that. Looking back at past trade proposals just blows my mind at times.

    • Juke Early

      Don’t wait that long —

      — pretty sure all trades looked like: Banuelos, Betances, Montero, a luxury suite at Yankee Stadium, authentic Babe Ruth 1927 home uni & CCTV box set of Jeter’s Greatest Hotel “Hits” for Arthur Rhodes…

  • Grover

    In light of recent comments by Cashman and Hal Steinbrenner, my wish list includes another post concerning payroll and for all the knuckle heads who believe the Yanks have an open check book to refrain from commenting.

    • Plank

      I don’t think they have an unlimited payroll. I just think their payroll is limited by the Steinbrenner’s desire for massive profits. They could increase payroll by $50MM and still turn huge profits.

      • Ted Nelson

        What’s your source on this?

        • Plank

          I don’t have a source, but they have moved into a new stadium and TV revenue has skyrocketed around the league since the team last increased payroll in 2005.

          • Ted Nelson

            Again… proof. It’s a convenient theory, but means nothing without some verification.

            And that they don’t increase payroll might have as much to do with making sure that there’s no cap put in place as anything.

            • Plank

              All of the things I said are true and have ample evidence. Are you contending that TV revenue hasn’t gone up in the last 6 years or that the Yankees aren’t playing in a new stadium?

              You know as well as anyone that teams closely guard their individual financial information. It’s not a big stretch to look at the available data and conclude that the Yankees revenue has gone up since 2006. I have a feeling you just want to be difficult, though.

        • Plank

          They stopped increasing payroll as soon as Papa Steinbrenner was senile enough not to notice.

          • CMP

            If Cashman can’t build a winner with a $200 million payroll when many of his competitors payrolls are less than half, he should be fired.

            To suggest that the Yankees problems over the last 2 years is from an unwillingness to spend money is completely absurd.

            • Plank

              When did I suggest the Yankees had problems the last two years? When did anyone suggest that?

              What other made up stuff are you going to berate me for?

  • Jon S

    My Wish List:

    1. Sign Darvish!!
    2. Sign Cespedes and Soler
    3. Keep Hughes in rotation
    4. Keep Montero
    5. Keep Swish
    6. Get one more SP, either Buehrle, Danks, or some other trade piece (I’m not high on JJ only if the price drops than maybe)

    Starting rotation:
    Trade Candidate

    • Dave

      And people say Yankee fans are greedy…